Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[curiouskarmadog]

Nice, we nipped the cult recruiter before that could get obnoxious.

but christ, our cop and doc type role? Hopefully in the 30 person game we have more than one, or at least some backups.

Oh, and I assume that the Vig killed Night 0?!

I think there is probably a lone recruit wondering around at there, if the recruiter was able to recruit last night.

Looks like this should be a fun game.

ok got to work and I have other games in dire need of updating.

also,

vote peers

, it is my opinion that Peers is most likely scum is every single game he has ever been in. Arent you left over from the SA invasion?

[curiouskarmadog]

Ummm.

What is a PGO?

[curiouskarmadog]

Paranoid Gun Owner Also know as an Army Vet

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... _Gun_Owner

Right Right I knew that..

never seen one before..but have read about them

[curiouskarmadog]

By the way guys, I will probably never post a Vote Count in the thread, instead, you will always find the Vote Count at the bottom of the Opening Post, that I will update regularly, this is because it's easier, doesn't clog up the thread, and I know some of you have activated the option that makes the OP appear at the top of each page.

Also, does anybody find this colour difficult to read? I know that some people use different colour schemes to others. If anyone finds this hard to read, I can change my official colour.

Seriously, this color is much better!

[curiouskarmadog]

Well, I haven't played forum mafia before, so I'm not used to this pace, but this is going to be pretty fun.

I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Battle Mage

Welcome..and is there any reason you feel BM deserves your vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well, I haven't played forum mafia before, so I'm not used to this pace, but this is going to be pretty fun.

I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Battle Mage

Welcome..and is there any reason you feel BM deserves your vote?

(I guess this post should read)

Easy does it...lol

If there is a possibility that BM is the Miller, why would you want to lynch him? Shouldnt you just leave that up to the vig (I doubt that we have 3 separate scum groups) to deal with him if the vig deems BM scummy?

I guess we are out of the jokey stage..

vote GSGold

, for jump on a beginning bandwagon without really scum hunting... looking forward to your answers.

[curiouskarmadog]

BM: Thanks for answering.

The eeny meeny argument was somewhat pointless, as it first came up as a randomish vote.

Rosso Carne: "Personally murdered"? Is that saying you are able to kill people?

do you really want an answer to this? if so, why?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: BattleMage

Seems suspicious...

lol..

Welcome..and is there any reason you feel BM deserves your vote?

Christ, how did I get into a position where I am f-ing defending BM? I think BM can be an ass, but he has done nothing here (yet) that warrants anything like the attention he is getting. Was there something else that I missed other than the Miller claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

also

unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, we are knee deep in newbies.

killa, he could be soft claiming a Vig (townie that can kill) or he could be just making a joke.

do you really think scum would just come out and say that?

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, we are knee deep in newbies.

[curiouskarmadog]

So. . . you want lurkers to post, but you vote for people who pressure lurkers? Brilliant.

that is not what they are saying

[curiouskarmadog]

you should have posted because you should want to scum hunt. Thier "attack" on you is because you are being a bit of a hypocrite. You are voting someone for being a lurker, who posted just as much as you have. It is a vote that looks more like you are searching for a reason to vote. Now, I dont think being a hypocrite = scummy, but your reaction to their votes on you sure is.

Posts like "I didnt have to post" seems to indicate that you have no desire to scum hunt and that you are just posting to look like you are contributing.

please tell me how you were planning on helping us out without posting?

[curiouskarmadog]

again, you dont have to defend your vote to me, I think it was hypcritical, but not scummy...what I am concerned with was your reaction to pressure against you..you are at L-14, what is the big deal?

[curiouskarmadog]

Unvote, vote oEJo.

Thoughts on the cult? BM's miller claim? Rosso Carne's excessive knowledge on the cult or lack thereof?

I feel like pressuring lurkers is something that needs to happen in this game. 30 people will make it very easy for people to skate through the game.

vote:ninja

do NOT like posts like this.

And why exactly do you not like posts like this? I see nothing suspicious about it. Pressuring lurkers is Good For The Town, and having 30 players does make it easy for one person to go un-noticed.

I do, however, find it suspicious that you suddenly vote for him and offer a one-sentence explanation that explains nothing at all.

Vote: Rosso Carne

says the man who has only posted twice.

vote Nanosauromo

I felt like Ninja might have just was being a hypocrite, but it looked like maybe he was attemptting to scum hunt...this post, however, really had no scum hunting in it and IT did look like he was just trying to look lurky.

[curiouskarmadog]

ninja, your thoughts on Nano?

[curiouskarmadog]

is conversation about the vig helping anyone else?

[curiouskarmadog]

how many more pages you think we should give to the conversation before you scum hunt more?

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry that I havent posted much lately. Everything that I could say has already been said, and I dont want to repeat other people. Ill go read through this thread a few times and maybe dig up something.

Some thoughts:
If a vig part was given to a real newb, then that person might have killed, since I think there is only 1 mafia group. After all, the title is "Return of the Mafia", not "Return of the Mafias," and it also implies that with the storyline.

a lot of things have been said...why dont you state what you agree with. I worry about people who do not make an effort to take a stance.

[curiouskarmadog]

This game annoys me sorta. Why are so many people not voting? We need a good, solid bandwagon to gauge reactions from players and after reading thenextepisode's posts, he looks like a good place to start!

Unvote; Vote: thenextepisode

it is posts like this that make me cringe....a vote with little reason, I wonder if when this bandwagon gets close to a lynch will votes like this one still be on the wagon?

other than wanting to gauage other people and supporting bandwagoning, any reason you think he deserves your vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

so if Battlemage is the Miller, then what armix?

[curiouskarmadog]

so if Battlemage is the Miller, then what armix?

If BM does turn up dead and he was indeed the Miller, then I think we should go after Armix.

well, that means that the lyncher wins right? We get second like in the case of the jester, right?

The Battlemage thing... a question for the veterans here. Is BM considered a strong townie player? By this I mean, does he have a rep as a strong scum hunter? If so, I do wonder why he wasn't targeted night one then.

In my dealings with BM, I find he tends to be a poor scum hunter. He tends to tunnel vision (I would be a hypocrite if I didnt admit to doing this too). But that is just in the games I am in with him, we tend to bump heads a lot. However, BM does have a ton of experience, so who knows. I believe the Miller claim, I would rather leave the testing of him being scum to the vig, if he deems BM scummy...I am not directing the vig, but I think it would be safer for the town (if I am understand the Miller/lyncher relationship with the town correctly)

Ok I just went to reread the Miller role...in both games I have played with a miller, there was a lyncher (I think)...can you have a miller without a lyncher, then? Has anyone ever played in a game where the Miller knew he was a Miller? I assume they are out there or BM and ST would not have had the discussion....

[curiouskarmadog]

the first game I played in where there was a Miller...he was the target of a Lyncher...I thought that was how it was always played out. If you find a Miller, then there was also a Lyncher..I guess I am wrong here and it was just specific to that game?

[curiouskarmadog]

huh, well, now that was one reason I was against lynching BM. Let me reread him with that in mind, but that is a pretty ballsy move for BMscum...

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus christ...can we please quit talking about who we think are town?!? It paints a target and really helps no one but scum!

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus christ...can we please quit talking about who we think are town?!? It paints a target and really helps no one but scum!

I disagree with this completely.

other than getting a stance Day one where people are to use later in a reread...how does the telling who we think are most likely town helping anyone but mafia? A concenus of a town player, lets the mafia know who to eliminate, keeping the scummiest players around to confuse the town.

[curiouskarmadog]

A concenus of a town player, lets the mafia know who to eliminate, keeping the scummiest players around to confuse the town.

Not that I disagree with you, but...

So what happens if, say, the Mafia doesn't eliminate that player... does he or she become a suspect by default, and thus loses their 'townie' status?

I assume that when you say "townie status" you mean in the eyes of the town as a whole. now that we have addressed it, hopefully that will be the case.

I have been in games where everyone posted a top two (or three) scum list and top two townie list. The very next kill (N1) was one of from that list.

again, how does posting town list help anyone but the mafia?

[curiouskarmadog]

"outing a townie"..interesting phrasing

[curiouskarmadog]

Well mafia probably know who their friends or there must be more then 1 family?

I don't think outing as a townie is that bad, not like everyone will believe you.

damn, bm, you are right.."outing as a townie" and "outing a townie"

I guess I am not understanding what he is saying here.

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus christ...can we please quit talking about who we think are town?!? It paints a target and really helps no one but scum!

I disagree with this completely.

Could you explain your reasoning as to why it's a good idea?

I'd rather see you explain your reasoning as to why it ISN'T a bad idea. That goes for you too CKD.

BM

already done that

[curiouskarmadog]

I think Nano needs more pressure

[curiouskarmadog]

That reminds me. BM is probably going to get vigged soon. Why are we lynching him now?

QFT

I dont know anymore if I believe the BM claim or not, but lynching him today is a waste of a lynch (today anyway).

I think Nano should go today..he has posted 3 times today. One post he explains why he is not posting, one post was attacking lurkers (while he lurks), and the other is laying a the ground work for a lynch tomorrow.

This is a typical scum manuver..this is the lynch today (as far as I can see) for he is by far the scummiest day 1.

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree, armix's alignment has nothing to do with BM's alignment (at this point)....but I think this conversation should be remembered (who said what and when) during a reread of the future. Other than that, it is pointless to make firm judgements at all.

I still am fine with my vote on Nano...

[curiouskarmadog]

why is the Killa Seven BW any better than a Nano BW?

[curiouskarmadog]

in a game this size, we are going to have lurkers, so I am not suggesting a lynch all lurkers playstyle..but read what Nano said while he was here...that alone is worth a vote.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, are you EVER scum?

werent we scum together and lost horribly?

[curiouskarmadog]

^^^ how did I see the end of that game?


at any rate, what is your point whome?

[curiouskarmadog]

Gonna follow bm in this, not because he is 100% right, but because I do hope we don't end this day without a lynch, better to try to find scum then a no lynch and lose 1 townie for sure.

Vote: Nanosauromo

do you think Nano is scum or not?

[curiouskarmadog]

who can be that evil day 1? His 3 posts I found scummy...I also find Tlp's last post and vote scummy...it is all about finding scum..have you looked for any yet?

[curiouskarmadog]

I have a feeling this will be a monster of a game too.

[curiouskarmadog]

Gonna follow bm in this, not because he is 100% right, but because I do hope we don't end this day without a lynch, better to try to find scum then a no lynch and lose 1 townie for sure.

Vote: Nanosauromo

do you think Nano is scum or not?

There nothing so far to really have a clue on anyone. But seems my vote is pretty suspicous by all of you so

Unvote : Nano

I just don't want to end this day with a deadline and no lynch.

ummm, is there a reason you didnt answer the question?

[curiouskarmadog]

He did, the answer was no.

This is getting awkward....

TLP, should I take "not having a clue on anyone" as "no, I dont think Nano is scummy"?

[curiouskarmadog]

Methinks Tlp is a better lynch. Plus the fact that he didn't answer the question, he unvoted and said he didn't want a lynch. (?)

unvote, vote tlp

he has not posted anywhere since his last post here...

[curiouskarmadog]

I did not feel that was a copycat move. I pointed out that tlp contradicted himself.

CKD: who are you referring to? me or tlp?

skitzer, tlp has not posted since he posted here...

BM, my vote is still on Nano as I think he is still the best play

[curiouskarmadog]

so many scummy posts..can not compute...johnny 5 is not alive.


Oejo, please answer BM's question.

Matt, why are you voting tlp? why do you think everyone else is voting him?

[curiouskarmadog]

omfg....

vote count update please

[curiouskarmadog]

I am still fine with my vote on Nano, just because he disappeared and stopped posting everywhere, doesnt mean that he is not scum...

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

for now.

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD: Did you start the vote on nano based on his comment that he didn't see what RC was getting at with a vote and no comment?

It was mostly his 2nd post. It seemed like he was attacking RC while doing the exact samething RC was doing. I kept my vote on him, because he didnt acknowledge (or address) the fact that he was doing it after I called him out on it.

[curiouskarmadog]

I feel like I am letting this game get away from me...need to catch up

[curiouskarmadog]

why are you guys doing this 28 pages into the game?

vote Lloyd

...lack of scum hunting + jokes = scummy

fos Whome

[curiouskarmadog]

it has been well over a month and we are on page 30, we are going around in circles and we have a ton of information under our belts...I for one dont really know who is scum and my vote is based on little scraps of scumminess. Antithesis is right, we need someone to lay out a case on someone else, but there just isnt any solid information Day 1 to really push a case. soo,

Mod, I think it is time to set a deadline!

[curiouskarmadog]

Nemesis, deadlines can be retracted..deadlines force choices and BWs, much can be learned from this, right now, all we have are scraps of scumminess that people jump on until someone else does something slightly scummy. We are going to keep going around in circles until something really sticks out. I think a deadline will do just that. Force people to start scum hunting and stop lurking (or at least answer for their lurking)...force scum to act, hopefully they will trip up in the process. If conversation is heated, I would expect that Mod to delay the deadline, espeically in a game this size..deadlines are not bad. Nemesis, what had the conversation dwiddled to before I asked for a deadline? Answer me that, then tell me why asking for a deadline was anti-town again? Look how much conversation has spun off that alone. If I was trying to hide the fact I wanted the deadline, why did I say it in game, versus just PMing the mod for one?

[curiouskarmadog]

really armlx, is there another game that you have a meta on that I argued against a deadline after a month and 30 pages on day 1? I have argued a deadline before when conversation was hot and heavy...but this game was dying and with 27 people and 30+ pages in day 1 alone, it will be hard to get replacements, and I just got out of a game that suffered from modkills 5-6 of them to be exact)...it sucked...we lost to the SK

post here only got "brisk" after the deadline conversation started...before that dumbasses were telling jokes and voting themselves or talking about BWs just to get a lynch over with....so dont act like this game was rocking before then.

If my request did anything, it was to get people talking again...which, BTW, is what deadlines do...

[curiouskarmadog]

so was my asking for a deadline anti-town or a powerful protown move?

Nem, you thoughts on others who support a retractable deadline? What about the first person you originally brought it up?

[curiouskarmadog]

and those who support it?

umm, that that really isnt the facts was it?...the conversation got moving AFTER I asked for the deadline, why are you misrepresenting the facts?...look at the conversation (content and frequency) before I ask for it and after....Nem, I would actually like you to comment on this, I am sure you want to back up your "facts"?

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be gone this weekend, going to attempt to get caught up next week.

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speaking of not scum hunting, I am still waiting for Nem, to address my questions.


of course, it should be noted that he hasnt posted anywhere on site in the past 6 days.

[curiouskarmadog]

I love how nobody is considering that the Vigilante should target these consistantly scummy players. Don't lynch them; vig them. I was hoping I would need to suggest this, since it screams leading the vig, but seriously. Where has all the common sense gone?

you are right, this does scream leading the vig.

why not claim now?

noted

[curiouskarmadog]

because that's just my style, i don't vote early.

thenextepisode, beside playstyle, any other reasons why you don't vote early?

because on day 1, i feel like there are never any legitimate reasons to vote.

Bullshit, liar.

unvote
vote: thenextepisode

Thenextepisode can be vigged later on. Killa Seven is the lynch today.

this is also leading the vig.

[curiouskarmadog]

lloyd, were you directing the vig or not?

[curiouskarmadog]

who did you target and why did you feel it was a good move to kill Night 0 witout any information?

[curiouskarmadog]

it should also be noted that a stupid vig (and I have made his mistake before) is still a town vig and if he is lying then the real vig will kill him tonight..so killa seven is not the lynch today.

[curiouskarmadog]

Nem, I think the point is probably moot at this point, there was no content before I asked for the deadline....which was the reason I asked for one. People were telling jokes and voting for themselves, it was ridiculous...now if we really want to argue the point more, I can go back and post all of the quotes that lead me to ask for one...as for the bit about there being less content since, that is either a out and out lie, or a stretch to prove a point that isnt really there...there has been ton of content....you have been around since 2005, so you should be able to recognize that...

as for Kill's claim...throat slashing screams SK...I was for letting him live and the real vig deal with him, but that means (if he is the SK) he gets another kill, and I am down with that.

Killa, did you answer the question why you decided to kill night 0?

[curiouskarmadog]

in every game I have been in shotgunned, usually means vig kill....throat slashing or stabbing usually means SK...HAS anyone been in a game that it was the reverse?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vig
Nano targeted JDGA and no I don't know why since I didn't do it. I only have a shotgun to use as the vig. Please get rid of Killa now.
PS. I can try and summarize the flavor text if needed.

not a vig.

that is all I need

vote killa seven

I doubt we have 2 vigs, also lets stop talking about what might happen tonight, what might be obvious to some, might not be to others.

[curiouskarmadog]

farside is lying, id like to hear who she killed and why. if shes really the vig why not let her kill me at night and have no one protect me and vise versa? and how is her claim more believeable? i coulda lied and said yea i killed the bodyguard no i was truthfull, my kill was against a cult recruiter, and if their is a cult would they be alowwed to kill and with the mafia that would be 3 kills.

what possilbe motivation could she have to lie? if she is lying she would be either vigged tonight, or lynched tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also, I highly doubt Killa has "scum buddies". If you had been reading, discussion has made it pretty evident he's the SK.

qft,

Peers what makes you think killa has scum buddies? If Killa does (for some reason) turn out to be mafia, I think Peers needs a closer look.

[curiouskarmadog]

Actually I'm claiming to be willing to give flavour text. I asked Killa to do flavor text and he has not replied.
@CKD: Why were you so willing to give Killa a free pass with this statement? Wouldn't trying to get more information and asking questions be better?

it should also be noted that a stupid vig (and I have made his mistake before) is still a town vig and if he is lying then the real vig will kill him tonight..so killa seven is not the lynch today.

farside please reread...not do I have my vote on killa, I asked him the questions about who he killed and why he chose that victim, that answer from him made me vote him (and several others as well)

[curiouskarmadog]

edit "not do I have my vote on killa" = "not only do I...."

[curiouskarmadog]

post 968

fine ill claim now. my role is town vig, i win when all scum are eliminated, each night i send the name of the player i would like to kill. believe me or not, that is my role.

post 969

Did you kill last night.

post 971

who did you target and why did you feel it was a good move to kill Night 0 witout any information?

farisde, no one asked these questions after his claim...at first I thought he might be a vig UNTIL he answered my questions..

Someone else asked first it seems. You were not voting for killa at the time of his vig comment. I was curious to know why you thought him dumb townie and did not do follow-up question till someone else did.

really who? Armix asked IF he killed, I asked WHO he killed and WHY..please provide the post numbers if I am missing something else.

[curiouskarmadog]

because I thought he might be a vig..."stupid" because he killed night 0, I didnt want him lynched until a.) he answered my questions, and b.) it seemed like a waste of a lynch when the real vig (if there was one) would kill at night. At this point, I didnt think the Vig would or should claim....

however, my opinion of the situation changed after he provided his kill choice(answered my question) and you claimed vig.

[curiouskarmadog]

interesting to know why...I assume you will tell us tomorrow?

[curiouskarmadog]

"interested"..jesus I hate proof reading

[curiouskarmadog]

HA, TS!?...isnt that a DGB alt!?...are you stalking me?

[curiouskarmadog]

Post 25 by Lloyd is another odd 1. He accuses CKD of directing the Vig, CKD denies it, and Lloyd’s response is “Noted”. You mean he actually bought that with such ease? 0.o

umm, this is what happens when you read something in a vaccum...is that really what post 25 is about BM? Maybe you should reread that section in context (page 39)...

[curiouskarmadog]

Is there any reason we're prolonging that last killa vote? Kinda repeating what I've already said, but seeing as nobody answered me I feel obliged.

qft

[curiouskarmadog]

Rosso, what exactly have you claimed? if you are claiming cult cop on BM, you might want to figure out if a miller result is guilty for cult too (ask mod?). Did you know that BM claimed Miller before you investigated him? Why did you target BM?

[curiouskarmadog]

So I don't really like this consensus that we should kill BM. . . later. It seems like if he needs to die, the sooner the better.

there is a consensus?

[curiouskarmadog]

well, I think when BM claimed Miller he didnt think he would live to see end game or rather he should have known that he shouldnt see end game, but there are still 25 people around and not lynching him today is hardly letting him ride to end game.

that being said, I am interested in what Rosso has to say about the question posed to him.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok guys.

i definitely claimed cultie cop day 1.

but for all of you who missed it, im cultie cop.

OK, you didnt answer all my questions.

Rosso, what exactly have you claimed? if you are claiming cult cop on BM, you might want to figure out if a miller result is guilty for cult too (ask mod?).

Did you know that BM claimed Miller before you investigated him? Why did you target BM?

Also, did you ask the Mod if a Miller would affect the result as a cult cop?

[curiouskarmadog]

still waiting for RC to answer my questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote Rosso Carne

I dont believe your claim. why wouldnt you find out before targetting the miller if it would effect your result?

[curiouskarmadog]

because he's done the exact same thing before as scum. -.-

link?

[curiouskarmadog]

ahh, that is what you two were talking about before...well I can meta it then.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont believe your claim. why wouldnt you find out before targetting the miller if it would effect your result?

confirm vote Rosso Carne

[curiouskarmadog]

Rosso is there any reason you have avoided my questions numerous times?

[curiouskarmadog]

this is a good question

[curiouskarmadog]

most of the game needs a prod.

[curiouskarmadog]

wow, TS actually made me laugh....

[curiouskarmadog]

what do you thinka re the better reasons?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

I am starting to not like this wagon...or maybe just the conversation of this page.

[curiouskarmadog]

i want a response from TSPN before we go any further. Be nice to hear from Nemesis too. CKD, your last post does not endear you to me.

BM

something ninja said I am not liking..I want him to answer my question.

[curiouskarmadog]

really? I am getting something different at this point..will explain once he answers my question.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why is incompetency a scumtell? Anyway:

vote rosso carne seems a little strange how he would forget his n0 investigation, then say it was alphabetical order even though there were two people before armlx

While I think rc's wagon is a bad one, there are better reasons to vote for him than that. So dahill's vote seems like lazy wagoning. I'm just pointing it out now.

What are the better reasons to be voting RC? Why do you feel they are better?

Basically, all of the scenarios that involve rc being scum assume complete incompetence on the part of an entire scumgroup or rc pretending to be incompetent/inattentive just so he can sucker me, apparently.

so it is not believeable that RC is incompetent scum, but it is believeable that he is incompetent town?

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess he does have a point, cult or scum, who was trying to set up BM, would know once BM turned up Miller (or not cult) that his lie would be exposed, the next day he would surely hang. Now I can see this as an end game play, but I doubt we are at end game. This could a lyncher gambit (been fooled by lynchers twice now), again, it is a sad one....RC is just useless in general right now, but does he deserve to hang? This could also be a scum gambit between RC and BM...but that too seems far fetched especially with its execution...I need to think about this somemore and reread....it is not just RC's BM claim that bothers me..it is whole claim in general that seems made up as he went along that bugs the shit out of me....

[curiouskarmadog]

wtf?

[curiouskarmadog]

TS, it seems to me you think I am scum no matter Rosso's alignment, so, then please explain why your vote isnt on me but on the biggest BW?

[curiouskarmadog]

TS, it seems to me you think I am scum no matter Rosso's alignment, so, then please explain why your vote isnt on me but on the biggest BW?

This. Granted, i agree totally with what TS is saying. I'd just like to see her put her money where her mouth is.

BM

if you agree with TS, why isnt your money there too?

Oh and CKD- For someone who thinks the RC wagon is dubious, your attitude is nothing short of perplexing to me. 0.o

up until a page or two ago I wasnt really questionning the motivation of this wagon, as you say he has done this before....he is avoiding questions, and either lied about his claim or is just not paying any attention.

..but it doesnt make any sense if he is scum, why would he do it at this point in the game??..if/when we catch hiim in a lie then he would hang the following day, right? why would scum want to swap one for one?..unless he is scum with you that is. I think you are indeed the Miller and I think that Rosso is useless...I think that he would be great for a vig testing.

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BM, surely if you can see Rosso as scum with this gambit...you can also see why a Rosso/BM scum pair gambit would be brillant (maybe why I doubt it).

[curiouskarmadog]

ha!

but you can see what I am saying though, yes?

[curiouskarmadog]

xpost

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this is your second post..your first being

vote: RossoCarne (If it's still morning)

Votes must be bolded for them to count

care to add more to this BW you are jumping on?

[curiouskarmadog]

No one hammer till we discuss vig choices.

I say Whome or animorph are ok. I noticed something odd about Khev, just didn't have enough to go off to figure out exactly what it was and don't have time now to try and divine it.

also dont like the way that Ani, just jumped on a bandwagon without any content.

[curiouskarmadog]

need to reread the end of the day yesterday..I thought Ani's contentless post/vote on RC looked suspicious...

BM, did you ever indicate that you felt Ani was scummy yesterday?....anyway, going to read...more later.

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lol, BM, are you in a OMGUS frenzy??

Now I still need to reread to see how (and when) events went down. If I recall, when I removed my vote and asked Ani to provide more content for his vote on the BW, you attacked me (or agreed with dont recall) stating that I was probably scum if RC is town. Now I dont remember who said what and when, that is why I need to reread. I found it incredibly scummy to attack me when I wanted others to provide content yesterday with their bandwagon vote.

I also find it strange that you stated.

Finally, with 3 of my high suspects dead, its time for a closer look at some other players, once we've all checked in.

BM

when you never mentioned being suspicious of Ani..matter of fact (if I recall) you began attacking me once I started asking Ani for more content... this comment has the feel of someone who wants everyone to think you were always suspicious of Ani, when in fact you never stated that and acted quite differently once someone who was suspicious started asking questions.

but like I said, I need to reread how it all went down...
or maybe your vote is on me, because you know what I will find when I do.

[curiouskarmadog]

probably will not be able to get to the reread here until Friday or Sat.

[curiouskarmadog]

1589 Ninja makes a statement that I didn’t like.

Ani votes (or tries to) in post 1592 without content.

I unvote post 1599 not liking the votes and statements on the page.

1600, BM doesn’t like my post.

1612, I post one reason why I have a problem with the RC wagon.

1648, Ani actually votes again without content.

1649, I attack Ani for his contentless vote.

--should be noted that BM did not attack me once I started attacking Ani (I thought he did)

1660, BM

If Rosso comes up town, we have plenty of distancers to look at tomorrow.

Vote: Rosso

This is an attempt to set up lynch targets today….Today he starts off with (1748)

Finally, with 3 of my high suspects dead, its time for a closer look at some other players, once we've all checked in.

even though he never stated he was suspicious of Ani yesterday.

1774, I ask him about this.

I must have spooked him because he immediately voted me once he read my comment, 1784.

BM's panic and frenzy OMGUS voting is troubling.

However, I just dont think that mafia would have claimed miller day 1...it just fucking doesnt make any sense. I could have believed he was lying (maybe) if the SK was still around, but again...it would be a bad play IMO. Now that RC is confirmed the cult cop, BM is not mafia and is not worth a lynch. Could he be cult and/or posioner?..dont know.

Why doesn't BM just hide tonight and Farside gun him down? If he was recruited I doubt he can still hide, so he will die. If he doesn't die, he's not cult.

I approve of this action...if he dies he is cult of some sort....if he hides and lives, then he is confirmed in my mind. A BM lynch does not make sense today.

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I dont think this plan is going to happen today at least. Its pretty wasteful, so its better to leave it until closer to endgame, as its possible ill have been NKed by then anyway.

BM

umm, I thought you said you were for it? why do I get the feeling you are trying to back out of this? If you are cult it will not be wasteful..if you are indeed the miller, it will not be wasteful..many people here suspect you, but now that it is obvious you are not mafia it would a.) provide a ton of information and b.) give us a confirmed townie.

A confirmed BM will be dead, as he can't hide consecutive days.

wait a minute..where did he say this?..did he say he hid somewhere last night?

Also, I think there's a good chance armlx is scum. So far today, he's directed the vig to try and kill someone who we know isn't mafia (whome picks up more scum points for that too),

might as well add me to that list too, because I think it is a good idea...

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Can we finally lynch TheSweatpantsNinja now?[/quote]why?

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I mean, lets use the worst case scenario and say i was cult. I'm not a threat until we get to Endgame, or the day before that anyway. I'd be a survivor who may or MAY NOT have a kill.

BM

how do you know the cult does not have a kill? Your theory on the posion?

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armlx, I thought he met the vig at BM....which I agree with.

[curiouskarmadog]

not sure I get your reasoning...I think it is directing...but I think it also should be done. I am interested in what farside has to say about it.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont think this plan is going to happen today at least. Its pretty wasteful, so its better to leave it until closer to endgame, as its possible ill have been NKed by then anyway.

BM

umm, I thought you said you were for it? why do I get the feeling you are trying to back out of this? If you are cult it will not be wasteful..if you are indeed the miller, it will not be wasteful..many people here suspect you

Thats an interesting interpretation. Anyone who suspects me now, is quite frankly, an idiot. Do YOU think i am scum? If so, lets hear some reasoning. If not, why are you fuelling this attempt at pressure?

interesting interpretation?

I AM confirmable. I'm happy for Farside to take a pop at me if necessary to confirm me, as long as you're clear on it so i dont forget to hide. It just means we waste a Vig shot.

BM

now that other's think you should do it...attitude changes, why?

who really is slippery?

[curiouskarmadog]

Imat: Kscope does this every game.

agreed, though I remember him being quite active (for kscope) in the beginning.

[curiouskarmadog]

xtoxm, someone else I tend to be in every freaking game with.

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Farside- CKD was the guy yesterday who couldnt really decide whether to push against Rosso, or to defend him. Most of the time he ended up doing a combination of the two, which seemed majorly inconsistent. Furthermore, his play in general does just not correllate with my relatively good meta of him as town.

BM

BM why do you want me gone so bad? Is this because I think you should be tested? Is this because I called you out saying you were all for it, then when people started to agree you change your mind? Is this because I think that you might be cult with a posioning ability? Is this because I didnt want to lynch RC yesterday, but wanted to question those who jumped on the BW..LIKE the fucking GF? BM, you have lead this town to one mislynch after another...and now you are knocking at my door..all based on a meta? When in doubt and you cant put a case together, you have to fall back on a the old meta BS...like the meta you had on RC yesterday?

BM, why are you trying to get farside to vig anyone else but you tonight? Furthermore, what have you done protown this entire game?

I dont think you are the lynch today...but you need to be tested tonight...if you really can hide BM, then you have nothing to worry...so why are you panicing now?

BM, I would also like to hear your thoughts on TS, please.

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No. You know fully well that i had already made clear my suspicion of you, long before you even brought this point to light. If anything, your pathetic attempts to attack me are a result of my attack on your play yesterday.

Is this because I called you out saying you were all for it, then when people started to agree you change your mind?

I believe ive already explained why this is BS.

Really? Where? Pretend I am slow and do it again.

Is this because I think that you might be cult with a posioning ability?

Oh, seriously-Grow up! :X
I'm going to be confirmed tonight anyway, so instead of making yourself look like more of a prat, why dont you contribute to actually lynching scum? By all means, bet on me being cult. Hell, you havent even given 1 reason to suggest the cult is responsible for said poisonings. Its a shame your brain isnt as big as your mouth.

Good old BM…insults when things don’t go your way. If you are tested tonight and you are confirmed Miller by farside…I will gladly admit I am wrong and kiss your virtual feet.

Is this because I didnt want to lynch RC yesterday, but wanted to question those who jumped on the BW..LIKE the fucking GF?

Now thats just it, bro. You DID want to lynch RC yesterday. At least, thats what you told me. You hopped away from the wagon temporarily, but when called on it, you rejoined again. I stated yesterday that your performance looked scummy regardless of affiliation, but contrary to TSPN, i think it looks far scummier in light of him coming up town, as it is far easier to give it a scum motive.

In your (and TS’s eyes) I was scum no matter if he came up town or scum. I didn’t like the wagon (later) and some points were made that I felt made sense. Not to mention, people were jumping on the wagon without providing content.

BM, you have lead this town to one mislynch after another

lolwut?
As far as i'm aware, we've only had 2 lynches. And one of them was the SK. Oh, but i forgot, the SK isnt scum is he, because you forget that your scumgroup isnt the only 1 out there? rofl

You just slipped.

Oh and ftr, if you are town, i'll be bringing this bitchfest up later. If theres one thing i hate more than being told i suck when i play shit, its being told i suck when im playing ok.

Oh come on, a slip up, jesus your cult ass is stretching. If I recall correctly, you directed the vig to Lowell..(town)., you lead the pack to a RC lynch (town)..and attacked both Nem (town) and Xtoxm (town) when they didn’t agree with you. Now you are barking up my tree again. I haven’t seen “ok playing” from you yet…

...and now you are knocking at my door..all based on a meta? When in doubt and you cant put a case together, you have to fall back on a the old meta BS

Woah. A meta is a meta. I know your playstyle pretty well with all the games we've shared. By all means, argue with me. Tell me ive got you wrong. Cite examples. Oh and in case you havent been reading, which is clearly the case, i HAVE given a case for you being scum. You're just too defensive to thrash it out.

BM, care to share with everyone how many times you have called me scum and pushed so hard for my lynch and I have been town versus how many times I have actually been scum? 3-1…and that one is because someone else’s work, not yours. As far as I have seen you haven’t pushed a case…if you have it is nothing more than, “you jumped off a wagon” and I got a meta on you (take my word on it)

BM, why are you trying to get farside to vig anyone else but you tonight?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! are you actually drunk? just a few posts prior to yours, i said im fine with Farside vigging me. Perhaps the more important question is, why are you so desperate for Farside to avoid taking a punt at the Mafia?

You obviously have a hold on farside, because she tends to follow your lead on vig kills….today you have blatantly gone back on wanting to be vigged, now you are leaving little subtle reasons why you shouldn’t be vigged..do I really need to post them?

another slip i guess? Your logic is beyond shite, but ill humour you with the same response i gave earlier. I nailed the SK. I pushed that wagon and made it happen. Im not claiming all the credit ofc, but without me, Killa Seven may well still have been alive and unclaimed. I havent seen you do anything quite as heroic as this. But, please try and prove me wrong. I love those shows where people try stupid stunts which lead to them humiliating themselves.

you attacked MANY people yesterday…you fire a gun enough times in the woods you might hit a tree. I was on that lynch too, BM…yesterday, I questioned the wagon that you had yet another meta for, and attacked the GF….yet you seem to over look this.

I dont think you are the lynch today...but you need to be tested tonight...if you really can hide BM, then you have nothing to worry...so why are you panicing now?

I'm not panicking lol. I think the fear you're smelling is your own, kiddo.
The only thing that irritates me, is that Farside is wasting one of her vig shots on something that, at this point in the game is totally unnecessary. There is clearly no pleasing some people. Actually, i just realised, you havent given a reason why you think i'm cult yet.

More subtle directing of farside…and quit role fishing…unless you think that dismissing 1 cult member probably exist numerous times, leading a lynch on the cult cop, and demanding to know who farside was going to vig yesterday.

also, your thoughts on why there was no poisoning night 0 or night 1?

No prob. She struck me as scummy in places, due to not meeting her town meta of super-activity. She has been as relentlessly illogical as ever, but in this game, she has failed to follow this up with numbers as you might normally expect. Maybe now with the GF dead she can produce something along these lines. But, overall, there are far better plays atm. I'm quite happy to give her some more time for us to get a better feel for her. She wouldve been a decent N0 vig shot, but with so many scumbags running around, its best we take a punt at them. Hint Hint.

BM

Why would TS have been a good NO kill?


Ok, enough of BM, next post, non BM related post….if he is going to be tested have some questions for others.

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Oh no, we want MORE BM!!! Not less!

This whole farside vigging BM to prove that a miller who has been found guilty by the cult cop is indeed a hider, is absolutely preposterous.

Since he can only hide on alternate days, if BM is proven to be a hider-miller, he'll be killed by the mafia for (1) being proven innocent "sort of" or (2) being cult.

Is BM worth all this trouble since he's going to die anyway???

Is any Miller worth all this trouble?

Is any Miller found guilty by a CULT cop worth it?

How this game got to revolve around BM this, and BM that, like a freakin' Miller is the most valuable role ever is making me cry.

umm, where did he say that he can only hide alternate days? Your buddying up with BM noted....TS your thoughts on why there was no poision on N0 or N1?

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What difference does it make anyway if he could only hide on alternate nights?

He could still prove himself.

Yes, but then on the alternate night, as a proven player, the mafia would then kill him, when he couldn't hide... That's why.

And that's why we should lynch him?

No, that's why we shouldn't waste a vig action to prove him, since he'd be dead the next day if we were successful... but since he can hide every night... the point is moot.

since BM claims he can hide every night, he is a valueable asset to us as the mafia can not kill him (unless they target who he hides with)..he should not be lynched...however, he needs to be tested to see if he has been culted.

TS, thoughts on the poison?

[curiouskarmadog]

bold is me.

Is this because I think that you might be cult with a posioning ability?

Oh, seriously-Grow up! :X
I'm going to be confirmed tonight anyway, so instead of making yourself look like more of a prat, why dont you contribute to actually lynching scum? By all means, bet on me being cult. Hell, you havent even given 1 reason to suggest the cult is responsible for said poisonings. Its a shame your brain isnt as big as your mouth.

Good old BM…insults when things don’t go your way. If you are tested tonight and you are confirmed Miller by farside…I will gladly admit I am wrong and kiss your virtual feet.

thats a start...but i have a better idea. Seeing as people seem reluctant to see you hang today, we'll have a little wager. You are pretty damn sure i am cult right? Just like im pretty damn sure you are mafia. Well, lets solve 2 problems. If i am not killed tonight, hence proving my role of Hider, you will concede to being lynched tomorrow. Then not only can i leave you be for the rest of the day, but i can also see some discernible good coming out of Farside's vig choice tonight.
Lets face it, if people arent going to listen to me when im virtually confirmed innocent, there isnt alot of point pushing it any more.

Can we get a consensus on this decision please?

If I recall correctly, you directed the vig to Lowell..(town)

Erm, if i recall correctly, Lowell isnt, and hasnt ever been in this game. -.-
C'mon at least fabricate something realistic.

LLoyd..you knew who I meant.

you lead the pack to a RC lynch (town)

I'm not taking all the blame for that. Armlx had the exact same position as me, and we both supported the lynch on these grounds. Hell, if you'd had the meta we did, youd have done the exact same thing, and you probably know it.

so you will take credit for the SK lynch, but dont want to take blame for the RC one...typical BM

..and attacked both Nem (town) and Xtoxm (town) when they didn’t agree with you.

Oh gee, i argued with some players who turned out to be town. Rofl.
You'd better lock me up and throw away the key, officer Dog. I've been a BAAAD boy.
Oh but before you do that, you might wanna take your medication. 1 dose of

perspective

should do it. Then maybe youd see that ive attacked every posting player at some point in the game (more or less).

to the extent that you attack X and N?

Now you are barking up my tree again. I haven’t seen “ok playing” from you yet…

thats WIFOM. Its a criticism based on grounds that are far from proven. We can discuss my performance through private channels once you are dead. In the meantime, PLEASE try and do something worthwhile in your last day.

why private channels? like the last game you pushed for my lynched that I turned up town lets talk about it end game in this thread...of course, I think once you have been tested all will really be answered...I forgive you for your insults

BM, care to share with everyone how many times you have called me scum and pushed so hard for my lynch and I have been town versus how many times I have actually been scum? 3-1…and that one is because someone else’s work, not yours. As far as I have seen you haven’t pushed a case…if you have it is nothing more than, “you jumped off a wagon” and I got a meta on you (take my word on it)

You realise people CAN learn from their mistakes right?
Which game do you think your play here compares well to. Go on, give yourself a break.

yeah, but you make it sound like you have this great read on me..and again you dont. I kow your attacks feel like those when I claimed mason and you pushed and pushed for the town to hang me (which I was after dumbass town faked claimed)...at least I have the same fustration with you as I did in that game..(of course I thought you were scum then too)

BM, why are you trying to get farside to vig anyone else but you tonight?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! are you actually drunk? just a few posts prior to yours, i said im fine with Farside vigging me. Perhaps the more important question is, why are you so desperate for Farside to avoid taking a punt at the Mafia?

You obviously have a hold on farside, because she tends to follow your lead on vig kills….today you have blatantly gone back on wanting to be vigged, now you are leaving little subtle reasons why you shouldn’t be vigged..do I really need to post them?

Ive got a HOLD on Farside? rofl
Aww didums. Im sorry that your attempts to manipulate the Vig arent working.

My fucking attempts?..Jesus, BM you are rich.

…yesterday, I questioned the wagon that you had yet another meta for

Yet, i seem to recall, you questionning the wagon and yet being reluctant to stay away. It was pretty apparent then that you werent sure how to react with regard the situation.

I couldnt stay away? Please back this with a quote.

I dont think you are the lynch today...but you need to be tested tonight...if you really can hide BM, then you have nothing to worry...so why are you panicing now?

I'm not panicking lol. I think the fear you're smelling is your own, kiddo.
The only thing that irritates me, is that Farside is wasting one of her vig shots on something that, at this point in the game is totally unnecessary. There is clearly no pleasing some people. Actually, i just realised, you havent given a reason why you think i'm cult yet.

More subtle directing of farside…and quit role fishing

ME rolefishing? thats a laugh coming from you. rofl

I dont even see where that comment comes from, but if you want to claim now, be my guest.

you want me to claim do you?..keep on fishing...tell me BM, am I going to come up posioned tonight?

…unless you think that dismissing 1 cult member probably exist numerous times, leading a lynch on the cult cop, and demanding to know who farside was going to vig yesterday.

Sentence fragment?
I dont understand this paragraph atall. Please put it into english and re-post.

you said that I havent a case for you being scum(cult)..these are reasons.

Why would TS have been a good NO kill?

No kill?
wtf are you talking about?
TS would make a good

N0

kill because her contribution in the game isnt exactly doing anything other than sending the town to its downfall.

again, dont be a dick, you knew what I meant...also, way to follow the game champ, TS is a replacement.

Ok, enough of BM, next post, non BM related post….if he is going to be tested have some questions for others.

Is that an excuse so you dont have to answer my questions. Nice try. But you still havent answered my biggest question of all. Why do you even think i am scum?

BM

avoid questions?? I have answered why I think you are scum(cult) please post what other questions you have asked me that I have not answered....

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heading out the door will respond (AGAIN) tonight or tomorrow time permitting....but saw this and had to comment

Farside, what would you say if i told you that there was a safer way of confirming me?

BM, why dont you just beg her not to test you....you're fine with her testing you tonight my ass....keep squirming BM.

[curiouskarmadog]

(laughing)...double posting off the same quote now?....squirming....I think this concerns all of the town...I thought you were ok with being tested by a vig...curious how far BM is going to back pedal today.

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getting beat down with end of the month work...hopefully will have time May 1 to post if needed...(sending this to all my games)

quick reply for this thread.

BM, I have already agreed to conceed to my lynch tomorrow if I am wrong about you...so not only are you back pedalling on being "ok" with being tested, you are backpedalling on that wager too? Add these to the points of why I feel you are cult and should be tested.

As for the Mafia RB, I think there could be one..

will answer the rest when I can.

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Ok back updating games..

In reference to post 1977, because the pyramids are getting silly. The reasons I think you are cult AGAIN (some reasons already posted in post 1935)

1.) You lead a lynch on a claim cult cop, based on a meta.
2.) You have attacked and helped lynch numerous townies, and are currently attacking me (again) based on a meta.
3.) You quickly dismiss the idea that we might have a cult member still floating around.
4.) You constantly are trying to direct the vig.
5.) You say you have no problem being tested, but since you have tried to squirm, bargain, and beg to try to get the Vig not to test you.


I cant find where I agreed to the wager, but I AM RIGHT NOW. I am so sure that you are cult at this point, that if farside tests you tonight and you are indeed not cult..I will concede that my scum finding powers are shit and will lay down for my lynch. Fuck I will even put up the first vote..

Deal? Or are you going to try to back out of it somehow?

Ok, so you think there could be a Mafia RB. Why then do you want me to be tested, when the mafia RB will almost certainly (except possibly in the event of Farside threatening one of them) block me, and render the whole exercise useless. we end up 1 townie dead and nothing new learnt. ACE!

Keep squirming and back pedaling. Why don’t you want to be confirmed BM? Why do you think if we have a mafia RB that they would target you anyway? There has to be other power roles out there, why would they waste an RB on a miller? Especially if it is known that the vig is going to test the miller claim. If you the claimed miller/hider dies anyway, then that RB is exposed. If you really are a hider/miller and you are tested but you still die anyway..then a.) we find out there really is a mafia RB and b.) it might give credit to your attack on me.

At this point, you being tested really is most lose/lose for me if you really are a miller.

1.) you are tested and hide, I have already agreed to be lynched tomorrow.
2.) You are tested and hide, and die anyway. Makes me look guilty as hell. I will still agree to the wager though…

If you really are a hider/miller, you should have no reason to not want to be tested.

I am willing to put my ass on the line for tomorrow’s lynch. I think you are cult.

Going to back out?

Argh!

What if the scum roleblocks farside because BM is scum and can't really hide, or even to cause mayhem?

Why on Earth are we wasting efforts confirming a freakin' miller!!!

Millers were created to be lynched. How a miller role ties in with a hider role is just too crazy for me to contemplate. Millers won't be nightkilled to begin with, why on Earth would they need to HIDE? They chances of blowing up are HIGHER if they do hide, than if they sit on their keisters being millers all night and staying home.

Why are we spending time on this? There are cops, masons, trackers, who knows, USEFUL roles that need to be confirmed/protected etc.

This has to be the scummiest post I have seen in this game.

This is where the talk of a mafia RB started. I don’t think that BM is a Miller, furthermore I think that he is a cult with a poisoning ability. At this moment I think this is the best course of action. Why do you want to confirm any other power roles at this point TS? If they haven’t come out yet then they don’t have any information worth possibly losing them.

I also remember you attacking me with BM yesterday when I came off the RC wagon. You wanted to lynch both of us, especially me if RC came up town, nice set up.

I think we have mafia with TS and a cult in BM

Vote TS

[curiouskarmadog]

1.) you are tested and hide, I have already agreed to be lynched tomorrow.

I don't agree with this...If you are town you shouldn't risk sacrificing yourself...And your point 5 on BM is an overstatement to say the least...

is it really? do you want me to quote ALL of the posts that Bm has tried to back out of being tested?

"If I am town, I shouldnt risk..." statement is silly...I am town, wanted to rid us of scum(cult)..BM proposed the wager, but you didnt call him on that?

At this point, I really dont care...I am calling BM's bluff..I will gladly be lynched if I am wrong, trust me, it wont hurt the town that much. I want to see if BM will back out of this too

[curiouskarmadog]

Normally I wouldnt do that (even though I think I have before when I was newer)...but BM made the wager, so...I am taking him up on it, because I think like everything else, he will try to back out of it some how.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok back home…

Reading the thread.

Ugh, the vig has voted me…jesus Christ, BM has you wrapped around his finger. Farside, you honestly don’t see how BM is pleading for you not to test him tonight? Every other post he is trying to back out of it or come up with some other way that he doesn’t want to explain to anyone. He is basically begging you to not test him tonight, why do you think he is doing that?

I agreed to the wager with BM…if you test him tonight, and he avoids your vig likes he wants everyone to believe, I will concede to my lynch tomorrow…and will not argue with anyone about it. That is how certain I am he is cult/posioner. Lynch my ass tomorrow, if you got to, but at least test BM tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

Unvote, vote TS.

Not only is the BM case weak, its also very much in mafia's interest to pursue it, accurate or no.

do you mean BM's case against VD or the case that BM must be tested tonight?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am about 2-3 pages back at the moment..hopefully will catch up tomorrow or thursday.

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Ok, if I have missed any question, please repost.

Why are we not hanging TS?

How are any of these posts helpful?

The point of the role Miller is to show up guilty to investigations. In general. Not just sane cops that detect mafia ones.

Yes! That's why we should gear our strategy around the survival of this precious role that cannot possibly backfire. I'm on board with the rest of you guys.

You imply that you think he's telling the truth...That's the opposite to what you've been arguing.

I do! BM would never lie, I agree with everyone. I don't know what I was thinking before.

But that is irrelevent if he's telling the truth about the hider part, which can be cleared.

Yes, it must be true, and let's clear him, because "miller" and "hider" are super pro-town roles, more than doctor or cop even, the "clear" won't be tainted at all by the miller/hider part of it! I was wrong. I admit it.

I don't think most people get why I think BM is not scum or some cult. Those who are up for not reading and really looking at things might get it. I hate to say this, but the second reason I killed Xtoxm was because BM thought he was town even though he didn't really say anything that sound town to me. I figured in my mind BM was protecting him for a reason so I killed him to see if that was true. Well Xtoxm turned out to be vanilla and BM was right. Now you all can just STFU about it.
Thank you.

what does any of this have to do with BM not being cult?

So, there is still some mystery way to confirm BM as miller that he hasn’t told anyone yet (as far as I can see)…can you please explain?

[curiouskarmadog]

Yes, but there is still that dreadful possibility that you are cult, and as long as that possibility remains...well, your the main suspect for that.

Poison did not show up until last night. Poison, which is likely a delayed method of death, would fit well with the delayed cult. Therefore, it is a very good possibilty that the cult member is still cult, and as BM being an experienced player, it is likely that the cult recruiter may have chosen him.

Yes, we have had this discussion. But not discussing it anymore doesn't make the cult member go away. It's not that simple.

hey I agree with you I think his ass is cult..however, I have been wrong before. If he IS telling the truth then he is quite is really useful to us battling mafia and keeping them on their toes. Today we shoul dbe focusing on lynch mafia, not cult. This is why I suggest he be tested tonight (by the vig) not lynched today...there is no reason to lynch BM today..there is every reason to test him tonight though.

Skitzer, why is it better to lynch BM today over testing him tonight?

[curiouskarmadog]

edit..."if he is telling the truth, he is really quite useful to us battling mafia..."

[curiouskarmadog]

what have I backtracked on?..your ass should be tested tonight..not lynched today..when I have said anything different?

[curiouskarmadog]

what have I backtracked on?..your ass should be tested tonight..not lynched today..when I have said anything different?

for once you seem to be defending me, despite thinking i am cult. Its interesting to see you put forward the possibility of you being wrong for the first time today, when confronted with someone even more aggressive, and incorrect than yourself.

Also, why does everything have to be about my ass. I mean, i appreciate the sentiment, but if its all the same, i'd rather you didnt go there.

BM

ha.

my thoughts are that you are cult/poisoner. The whole reason you should be tested tonight and not lynched today is because you COULD BE a hider. It is for the good of the town not to lynch you today, but it is also for the good of the town to test you tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

ckd: everyone has been wrong. But sometimes, you are right. Maybe it is a smarter idea to "test" him tonight.

that isnt up to you and me..that is up to farside.

[curiouskarmadog]

post coming today...

[curiouskarmadog]

crap, going to have to post (replies and questions) in the morning.

[curiouskarmadog]

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Vote: CKDScum

. I am voting for CKDScum because he is scum, and as a result his posts have been scummy. CKDScum, you may attempt (and inevitably fail) to show innocence by answering these questions:

1) Excluding me (Pie) and you (CKDScum), which player is most likely protown but also hurting the town the most?
2) What's the scummiest post you've made all game, and why?
3) If you were currently mafia, what would your strategy be?

Please, nobody answer these questions until CKDScum does.

1.) Strange question, "likely protown, but is also hurting the town"...pick one of our lurkers.
2.)Havent made any.
3.) I would ask someone I was trying to paint as mafia "if you were currently mafia, what would your strategy be?"

Funny how BM strongly suspect me and VD, when Pie replaces VD he attacks me..

Jesus, BM, you have the influence in this game. Pie, did you get BM’s wrath off you yet? Pie, your thoughts on TS? You feel like her play is a null tell? Does she normally lurk when a healthy dose of suspicion is thrusted her way?

+++
Massclaim with 20 people left is a rather poor play at this point.

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i'll be willing to get on a CKD wagon
and im always in favor of a massclaim

Wow, two poor choices, tell me dahill…what are your thoughts on TS? Speaking of TS, any reason you are hanging low lately?

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Matt, wow, every post? Way to really work for that vote immunity, that is all dahill has to say to Matt PBP? Dahill do you have any other comments?

[curiouskarmadog]

BM, I think that TS is scum, she (like you attacked me yesterday for jumping off the RC wagon)...before we found out that RC was town, she stated that if RC is town (like you), I should be lynched today...her bandwagon was moving along nicely..then she shut up, of course it went away...as it stands, I dont think I have ever been in a game with DGB that she simply just shut up, have you?

I think the mass claim today is bad because of the amount of people that are left. I think only scum would be pushing for this today

[curiouskarmadog]

BM's will must be done....when bargaining and coming up with false ways to confirm himself are done, he simply force his will....ha!

BM, why are you so afraid of being tested? I have agreed to the wager..Farisde knows I have agreed to the wager...the entire town knows I agreed to the wager...if you can hide, and farside tests you, I will agree to the then...but the more you try to get out of it...the more I am certian.....

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus christ..Lynching BM is a shitty idea...testing BM is a great idea. If for some off chance he really is a hider...he (gag) is an asset to us...

Mno, please explain why lynching BM is remotely close to a pro-town choice.

[curiouskarmadog]

farside, do you understand what way BM is talking about being tested without you vigging him?

if so, how?

[curiouskarmadog]

for the record, if BM has a confirmable way to be tested that he will share with us...today or tomorrow...I will still stick to the wager....but I think it is more bullshit..

I just want to see if Farside knows what BM is talking about and how.

[curiouskarmadog]

No, she does not know yet. But she will. And thats why she won't vig me tonight.

If Farside does not kill me tonight, i am town.

She will know..but you are not telling us how she will know. I am calling bullshit...

If farside doesnt target you tonight, then that probably means that farside will not kill you tonight, but THAT DOES NOT mean you are town...it just means farside did not test you

BM, are you not grasping the concept of "testing you"? The test is WHEN she targets you...not "if"...

Why do you want her to kill me so much tonight and not test you? I am agreed to the wager....I have a feeling this everyone will be keeping me to my word tomorrow...again, why are you afraid of farside targetting you tonight?

[curiouskarmadog]

prediction, even though farside has agreed to test BM, BM will still plead with her.

now can we lynch TS...

BM, her other alts seem to be posting.

[curiouskarmadog]

I say we do BM's alternative test. Tomorrow, BM will explain what the hell the test was and how it confirms him. If it's unsatisfactory, we lynch him. Problem solved.

Yep. In fact, even easier. Tonight, Farside will be able to assess my idea, and if she isnt convinced, she will kill me. If she is convinced, she won't kill me. That should hopefully solve the issue.

BM

umm, isnt farside testing you and not killing you? If you are not lying and you hide, she wont be killing you..

slip?

or is this part of the plan I am not getting..

[curiouskarmadog]

If there is a way to convince people that BM is telling the truth I will not target him. However at this point in time I will be targeting him so that in case I do die then people will let the issue drop.
Thank you

im sorry, but thats not good enough. I need to know what i'm doing tonight, and for that, i want to have confidence that you arent going to do something stupid. Now i dont know what you're doing-except that you are keen to move discussion forward, without creating any yourself.

BM

prediction, even though farside has agreed to test BM, BM will still plead with her.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am up for a lynch of any of the 4 people I listed as scummy, however I want to wait for Imat to return before proceeding.

woo someone else who finds Imat scummy

Do you still have no defense? Just curious.

against being lazy in general? not really

umm, are you usually lazy in your games?

[curiouskarmadog]

getting caught up from this weekends posts...Xtoxm, armix, and BM on a posting tear...thought this was funny.

I'll be honest, there is no chance I'm going to reread bm's posts in isolation.

I agree that this day has gone on too long…I am STILL down for a TS lynch. I would also lend support for a dahill wagon. Some of skitzer posts later in this day have been “fishy” (like wanting to lynch BM versus testing him tonight), but I think that is more bad play than a scum tell.

[curiouskarmadog]

are you sure you dont want to lynch TS?

[curiouskarmadog]

fine,

unvote, vote dahill

still think TS is the way to go, but dahill's play is scummy as well

[curiouskarmadog]

I think farside has already agreed to test BM, and I am still willing to live up to the wager if I am wrong..but I am not.

[curiouskarmadog]

(posting this in all threads)

I am currently battling the fucking flu that is going around and my main computer decided to crash..at any rate, my posts will be light. I have 2-3 games that needs reread and I will get to those as promised. Hoping to have time this weekend to get caught up.

[curiouskarmadog]

so what does 100% mean then?

[curiouskarmadog]

skitzer, why are you talking about tomorrow when we are not out of today yet?

[curiouskarmadog]

prediction, even though farside has agreed to test BM, BM will still plead with her.

Jesus BM, what can you do? If farside vigs you and you are able to avoid it, it proves you can do what you state you can do..and tomorrow you can lynch my ass...this is the only way to tell if you are telling the truth...you did try to lie to say there was another, but you have yet to explain how..now I understand why you wanted to hammer dahil..you wanted one last chance to plead to farside...

sad BM, sad.

[curiouskarmadog]

prediction, even though farside has agreed to test BM, BM will still plead with her.

you can avoid my questions all you want BM. I agreed to the wager. Please explain how farside is stabbing you in the back when you were fine with being tested earlier?...you were fine with it until she said she would test you that is. I think what really pains you, is not only do I have a great meta on you that I predicted you would act EXACTLY like you are.

[curiouskarmadog]

mother fucker, I thought BM was fucking lying, but I thought he was lying about being the cult...I did agree to be lynched today if BM didnt turn cult, so be it..I took a gamble...

I am good to my word.

vote CKD.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, farside can vig me if she wants to,

unvote...

it is not a wise move, but I understand why...I

did

push hard for testing BM, it should be noted I was right that he lied...just wrong that he wasnt cult

skitzer, your thoughts on how yesterday went down?

[curiouskarmadog]

Matt, since you have already stated you didnt breadcrumb, i think this is a safe question..do you typically breadcrumb in games? if so, do you have a completed game that can be referenced. Have you ever breadcrumbed as scum?

also, where is skitzer?

and I dont see kscope acting any different in this game than I have ever seen him act.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok skitzer, you are posting now, time to give this thread some attention.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think BM was the posioner, he lied about being a Hider (miller?). Which does explain why he tried to weasle his way out of being tested, which was one of the things that tinged my radar. The BM i know (and I am sure others agree) would jump at the chance to be confirmed (espeically in the position he was in) because it would have given him the power to basically rule this thread and scum could not have done anything about it. So when he began backing out, I took this as a sign of guilt...side note: BM if you are reading this, after the game ends, I would love to know why you claimed Hider.

skitzer...I am more interested in who you think is scum and why...

[curiouskarmadog]

whome, why do you think you are likely to be lynched today, have you done something wrong worth being lynched?

also, the bit about whome popping in only to defend himself is sort of a set up for guilt. if he pops in and says something about it, he is scummy for doing exactly what people are commenting on..if he doesnt, then he is scummy for lurking or ignoring the post. of course, I think Skitzer is doing the samething and dont understand why he is being ignored for it, while whome is getting heat. My biggest concern about whome, is his lack of scum hunting...whome, why is pants the best lynched today?

[curiouskarmadog]

so, whome is mafia because he is "laying down and accepting a lynch"? So he is probably scum and not disinterested vanilla. Answer me this Cele, have you ever accepted a lynch on yourself as town?...mafia?

Whome, why do you characterize yourself has playing badly and ending up on so many scum lists?

[curiouskarmadog]

just so that I understand, in your opinion and based on your history playing mafia, people who lay down and accept their lynch (in this manner) are usually scum?...have you seen this in games before?

[curiouskarmadog]

I find that disinterested townies tend to do that far more than mafia, but I am interested in whome's answer to my question first..

armlx, your thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

your thoughts in this situation from Cele's position?

[curiouskarmadog]

is it legitimate to call someone out for giving up? yes. to vote them?....not so black and white. To me, it seem like someone who is jumping on an easy vote...

[curiouskarmadog]

whome, when did you stop keeping up with the thread? Before or after your vote on dahill?

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm still here!

I will post something soon.

hope so.

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Unvote Vote: Tarhalindur

Fishing[/quote]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="TSPN"]Elaborating is bad for the town? What, you're incapable of giving a definition of "fishing?" I'm not convinced by your evidence. You're still lining up in the "this guy has played on this site for two years and he's still this bad?" category.[/quote]No, fishing is bad for the town, which you are doing. I won't eleborate on this further because it serves no purpose to do so.

[/quote]

[quote="TheSweatpantsNinja"]
PS: You actually accused tarhalindur of fishing. You might want to read your own posts-they aren't that long.[/quote]

this is a good point, Kscope, please explain your comment.

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="TSPN"]PS: You actually accused tarhalindur of fishing. You might want to read your own posts-they aren't that long. [/quote]You questioned it. I don't see the difference[/quote]

this does not.

[curiouskarmadog]

You know, if it weren't for the fact that I know Kscope is town, I'd probably side with you guys. But Kscope's town.

I am not saying Kscope is not town...I just found his comment confusing.

[curiouskarmadog]

now skitzer has to read 117 pages?...guess he has given himself reason to lurk for a long time. Needless to say, skitzer has been pinging my radar for awhile.

also, still waiting for kscope to answer my question.

[curiouskarmadog]

hmmm, Bog's first post mentions not liking the two leading BWs...

skitzer, what exactly are you rereading?

K7, why replace back into the game, if you are not going to keep up?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think matt soft claim is fine atm, there is no need for a full claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

Bog, the reason the thread is so long is because BM inflated it with many posts (I guess, on his conquest to be the top poster of the site)...however, I thought at the time he was flooding the thread for more dubious reasons.

right now, I am leaning still on skitzer as scum...I dont recall him directing the vig at any point.

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Eh... yeah, I should be getting back to this...[/quote]

yeah, if you could start by addressing 2907.

[curiouskarmadog]

kscope..I am still unsure who you were accusing of fishing.

[curiouskarmadog]

more skitzer less lurking.

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be gone friday until monday, should be posting again on Tuesday...posting in all games..

[curiouskarmadog]

so you havent done one yet?

what have you been waiting on?

vote Skitzer

[curiouskarmadog]

Unvote

I'm going to do another readthrough today.

[curiouskarmadog]

so wait a minute..is a a read through pointless or not? Why did you state you were going to read through?

how does no one else not see this guy as scummy?!?

[curiouskarmadog]

so what did you mean when you said you were going to read through?

[curiouskarmadog]

I meant as in readthrough one person.

seriously, you need to stop..

ok then..when you said you needed to reread..who did you mean you were going to reread?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think WhoMe is looking good.
CKD are you thinking kscope is scummy? I usually don't see him put as much input as he has this game so I'm not sure what to think.

I am not sure what to think of kscope at the moment..true, I dont think I have ever seen him chat as much, but I still dont think he is really adding much to the game...which in very common for kscope, so null tell,..added the game chatter about kscope (soft claims) I am willing to let him slide.

not sure about whome, though I think some of whome's actions are like skitzer, but right now I got some vibes off of skitzer and I have the feeling like he is desperately trying to avoid the limelight. farside any reason you think whome is more worth a vote than skitzer?

[curiouskarmadog]

my problem is not that skitzer doesnt want to reread 120 page game..it that he said he was going to, then when we called him out on it, he back tracked and said he meant he was going to reread one person..there was no indication that was what he meant, and would like him to quit avoiding my question...this is not the only reason I think skitzer is scummy.

[curiouskarmadog]

well hell he is back. I agree with armlx as to being opposed to this, but if he can not refer to his role in anyway than I guess it should be ok...Whome, BM just finished saying that he was not allowed to refer to his role, so what is the point of goading him...

I also think here on out we should refer to this BM as BM2...and of course the former as BM.

all that being said, I would like discuss what happened yesterday and BM's claim after the game is over(so do stick around)..for I am confused, why did you partially lie? I am not asking now..but I am curious for later.

welcome back chaos.

your thoughts on the current state of the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

back earlier..will post soon.

[curiouskarmadog]

oh christ BM and Korlash in a game....thread prepare to be flooded..of course it is going to take Korlash a month to read the thread.

If farside wants to vig, she can...I did agree to a wager, and lost. I should have agreed to something like kill me if you are not lying...but I couldnt figure out why a protown player would lie, so I assume cult (since he was pretty much cleared of being mafia)...SO no hard feeling farisde if you want kill me tonight...

that being said, I am not understanding skitzer's last post and I dont understand why no one else is calling him on it. He says he has to reread...giving himself reason to lurk, when I call him on it, he comes back with.."I meant I was going to reread an individual"...put doesnt have a person that he was going to/ did reread. So what was he doing while he said that he was going to reread?

Skitzer?

[curiouskarmadog]

still not sure about whome, though he constant continual absence is noteable at this point.

would rather skitzer hang.

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree with CKD about Whome. *shudder*
Happy scumday btw.

thanks

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not going to let BM bully me into switching my vote from WhoMe to armlx.

Actually, didn't he do this to everyone with dahill?

BM did, but not BM2

[curiouskarmadog]

ahh, I see.

not sure why skitzer is still not on anyone's radar.

[curiouskarmadog]

linking to reasons why skitzer is under the radar?

[curiouskarmadog]

not sure why skitzer is still not on anyone's radar.

I remember seeing a list of reasons earlier on this, would you mind linking to it?

just his actions, lurking, giving himself reason to lurk, then saying that those reasons were stupid. When I call him out on it, he back tracks and says that he meant something else.

Ex: He stated he was "Going to reread now."

Then preceeds to lurk, someone else mentioned that they were going to reread and he thought that was stupid, when I called him out he stated something like.

"I meant I was going to reread one person" When I asked him who that was, he asked who I wanted him to reread....

He has been jumping on easy lynches, and really just flying under the radar...and I not sure why people are not catching this behavior...but this BW needs more pressure...if not a lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

BM always uses some not so great logic.

[curiouskarmadog]

The Mod needs to prod, and a retractable deadline would help.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont think there is (a deadline)...I think it is time for one, the game has slowed to a crawl.