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My official response is: I don't take well to threats.Amished wrote:
I will shoot you in the face if you don't answer.Amished wrote:@Charlie: Then why are you criticizing her list for "being all over the place"?
But since this is mafia, a game all about suspicion and whatnot, my other response is: I'm not a critic. I just have my own opinions.Kindness-
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As an individual who is aware of the self, I'm entitled to the right to my own opinions and will voice them out so long as I'm able too. Oh, and so long that it remains legal to do so too. I don't take lightly to lawbreaking.Amished wrote:@Charlie: So what does it matter if you don't completely agree with Diacria's town list?
Besides, I'm listed at the bottom of that thing. Of course I'm objectionable to it since I've done nothing to earn that spot.
Hey millar13, why did you get an avatar? Aren't they useless things to you?Kindness-
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I'd be willing to lynch Shattered Viewpoint based on policy (the dictator policy). Also, SSBF. These two are okay lynches.Kindness-
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Diacria wrote:Oh wut deadlines in 4 days.
I would vote toothless. But I'm concerned that we'll end up with a no lynch.Kmd4390 wrote: Twomz, I didn't mean your vote was disturbing. I meant that it's disturbing that nobody is voting you.
Also: CSL, SSBF.Kindness-
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Because alphabetically, you're ahead of him?raider8169 wrote:Why not Richard instead?
No, seriously, you're scummier than Richard. He made a few boo-boos, but I'll pass that up D1.
Let's see now...
CSL, raider, toothless, perhaps SSBF... SV! Well, that would be policy lynching. Sound good to me!
UNVOTE: raider8169
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
Let's keep it moving.Kindness-
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Oh, I disagree with Rhinox.
I'd prefer more policy lynches.
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I know when to admit that I'm wrong.
UNVOTE: millar13
CSL it is.
VOTE: CSL
I like that case against me. I'd believe it, but to to circumstances of me being me, I unfortunately don't. The case is more correct than wrong.Kindness-
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An interesting case on me there, SSBF. After reading it, I become more convinced that I'm town.
Nachomamma8's case on EGL is goodposting.Kindness-
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Too much thinking, Jahudo. I'm trying not to over-think stuff. I'll save you some time: Don't bother to meta. I'm doing it (mostly) different. I believe a minimalistic approach in a large theme game can be useful, coupled with playing by gut.
You see, you say stuff like that, people will think "Hey, that's pro-town!". And stuff.
Let's take a look at toothless' Town reads:
Rhinox: Maybe
Nacho: Agree
Ythan: Agree but for different reasons
raider: Fail
SSBF: I really have no idea
Jahudo: Ooh, yes
kmd: Agree but for different reasons
Magua: Maybe, don't know
holycon: Fail
Also scum reads:
Amished: Fail, but interesting point
chronopie: Maybe
CSL: Agree
EGL: I reserve judgement
Richard: Hmm
Xite: Oh my goodness
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@millar13: Go look up this picture where there is a pregnant mother of about 8 months gestation (in her third trimester) in the background, out of focus due to a feline intruder popping its head in front of the camera, bringing it into focus. Then imagine large a impact font caption on the bottom part of this picture, saying Hypokrit.
@Twomz: That would require me to "work". Aw, do I really have to?
@Pittbunny: For what its worth, toothless' original case on me seems better. Just my 2 cents.
@Xite91: That would require me to "work". Aw, do I really have to, mom?
Incidentally, Ythan is right.Kindness-
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Xite91 is unlikely to be mafia aligned. Look at how she answers questions in ISO #56.
Toothless of late is pushing for my lynch in such a subtle way. I don't like it, (not because I've been in the lynch spotlight) there are better ones out there. What do you think about mafia inventors?
The way RichardGHP answers questions are slightly off, but he's town enough.
UNVOTE: CSLraider8169 wrote:So you are playing differently then your meta. Normally I hate metas but seeing as you are purposely playing different I would like to know how you are playing different to see if it has any merits.
Also, why do you disagree with someone's read without actually giving reason for any of it?
VOTE: raider8169
Kmd4390 doesn't say much. Just now he said my lynch would be bad. Okay, but he's sitting pretty here for a reason. A reason, I tell you people.
Ythan is Ythan. I remember you.
In summary, I can only make a town list. I cannot make a mafia list. Thus that will be all.Kindness-
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Reactions, reactions, reactions. That is good.
Magua, please attack me with more conviction.
MafSepia isn't the sameMagua wrote:Charlie: Overall, Charlie's responses to the cases against him have been....lacking. Charlie's cases against others have been likewise lacking (see post #834), and when asked to explain or elaborate on why he feels a way, the question is dodged. I remain very pro-Charlie-lynch.Kindness-
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What's the point of observing from the sidelines anymore? I'll spill my thoughts on the last 10 pages.
Quick recap: I think toothless and Xite91 are town, by inclusion, Ythan follows because inventor ---> Ythan (gun).
Ythan claimed the kill on Diacria N1 (I think). If this is true, then I call shenanigans on the lack of a Mafia kill N1. The first Last Will Mafia had 2 scum teams, there should be at least 3 deaths N1.
I cannot read Jahudo due to avatar bias. The red panda is distracting, and all his posts are diluted because of it. I'm not joking: this happened to me before in my second Newbie game here, long completed. It was squirrels that time.
SSBF's walls are typically pro-town, ever so slightly. Not much to say about his opinions as I have mixed feelings about them. The people he suspects are all fall under "good lynch candidates" i.e. neutral to slightly scummy reads. That said, I'd rather not bet on it.
On page 32, there was talk about lynching a claimed BP. That's a terrible idea. (Policy lynch, however, is a different matter. Both options are rather lousy IMHO) Vig would be okay, however due to certain reasons I believe this is difficult to accomplish. We're best going with Ythan's suggestion #800: leave millar13 alone.
Amished is town by gut. Strong town read for what it is worth.
Nachomamma8's case on EGL seems interesting and didn't receive the correct amount of attention it deserves. Post after post made it "lost in transition" and I'd really like to hear opinions of others about it. #818
Sometimes (actually most of the time), the reactions to the case mean more than the case itself. There is little to go by here.
I fully intend to revert to a non-lazy status and this post shall justify it. Consider rebuilding your case on me around that or find other suspects.Super Smash Bros. Fan #819 wrote:ISO Charlie from this game me and Charlie were in. If you read it, you'll notice that he was far more pro-town in that game and contributed a lot more to the game. He also took stances and tried to look for suspects. Most importantly, he was town.
Do you think it is a scumtell?Super Smash Bros. Fan #896 wrote:@Charlie (#892): Your vote on raider8169 contains absolutely no explanation. He asked you a simple question and then you vote him for it. That's kind of sad...<snip>
I'd be much more comfortable if you actually gave us a mafia list as opposed to a town list. Now granted, I don't have a problem with town lists, but I highly prefer to see mafia lists instead, as mafia lists (With explanation) make your suspects known to us.
That is hard for me to put out; I'm doing my best and you have my word for it.
Bullcrap. That and the entire post is far-fetched.Rhinox #902 wrote:Thats not evidence, thats attempting to formulate a reason based on how you expect the mod to design the setup around the theme, otherwords - outguessing the mod.
After #915, SSBF is more town looking...by gut.
Jahudo (as much as it is hard to read his posts) - Kmd4390 interactions are very interesting (page 38). I feel that the tone of their posts changed. Strange, wish they could interact more so we can draw further conclusions. For now I don't know what to make of this finding.
About the CPR Doctor claim by RichardGHP...not really convinced. Would be willing to place my vote on him.
After all that...who's mafia? Good question. It seems that I have no suspects. By process of elimination, I suspect the more lurkish/less active players. (I'd suspect myself too by this reasoning. Odd how things work.)
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Ah, noted.Jahudo wrote:So I don't have any suspicions on KMD now. I'm leaning Chronopie for #1 suspect.
Oh my goodness, you are right! How silly of me.Twomz wrote:42 pages of content and you finally put out a post with some content in it...
And you not only don't vote, but you FoS lurkers?
Can we just end this? There's no way a town player has no suspects besides lurkers with this much crap going on.
VOTE: raider8169
Think about it, toothless. There is no way I could make that whole "42 pages without content" seem "good" for me. We do what we must because we can.
Hardcore interactions with others + suspects with reasonings = protown. Why do I need to convince you of my opinions when there is no danger of Xite91 being lynched at the moment?Locke Lamora wrote:Charlie, tell me why Xite is town (no, I did not think the way she answers questions was a good reason, as you didn't explain that at all).Kindness-
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Reasons why RichardGHP should not be lynched Today:
1) He claimed CPR Doctor which is as good as a vig: Have his use his protect-kill on someone N2 and have him claim his action.
2) If he is telling the truth he can vig mafia or accidentally kill a townie; this works provided he isn't roleblocked. Therefore, nobody should mess with him N2.
3) If he is lying than we'll go from the kill(s).
I personally don't buy his claim, but it would be bad strategy to lynch him Today.Kindness-
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Hello. Don't mind this post, I've decided to pile up notes here for my own reference.
Toothless pushing for Charlie lynch most of D2. Thinks CSL is a good choice.
Jahudo takes a cautious approach to Charlie, up to now says is null.
KMD thinks Charlie is town.
Amished is not acting the same as Amished-scum in previous L4D mafia.
Rhinox agrees with Amished.
SSBF presents a case against Charlie --> much better than I remembered in previous newbie game with him.
millar13 is a waste of time.
holycon is lurking.
raider is V/LA.
Nacho starts off playing as he did in previous newbie game, but has since been less active. Based on this logic, he should be mafia. Gut says he isn't.
I propose we don't lynch Richard Today. Let him protect someone, anyone, it does not matter who but obviously we shall judge his choice Tomorrow. It would simply be bad town play if we lynch a potential town killing role.Kindness-
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Magua, I believe you're attempting to read me through a mix of playstyle analysis and content analysis. No trouble with content analysis, but the playstyle reads are unreliable. You say I don't back up my cases. Is that a good indicator to tell someone's alignment? Town can follow who they believe to be town as well. (If you want a reference, go check L4D Mafia.)
I'll mention here and now that KMD closely resembles someone from that previously completed game, I'm going along the idea that this is what is happening now. He ended up being town and based on this I'm comfortable labelling KMD town as well. If the method works, use it again.
IIRC, you posted a case against me out of the blue and now you followed it up. Not much to say about that specifically. I do however disagree with you on choosing the "kill" for Richard. Too much WIFOM. We let him decide on it, we insist he claim his action. By saying "oh you must protect millar13 tonight" we open up a can of worms like: oh, mafia will know this therefore they try to kill millar13 and he does not die but wait maybe that is what they want me to think or maybe that is what they want me to think so..."
Conclusion: Don't lynch Richard, let him take a NA and claim it. Decide weather to lynch him or not Tomorrow.
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Furry.Kmd4390 wrote:Charlie, who do I closely resemble out of curiosity?
I can and have done so. However, I see others have better case-making skills than I and I choose to trust them and follow suit. Does this not also help town?Magua wrote:If you make a case without backing it up, how have you helped town?
Do you feel motivated to help town?Magua wrote:My feelings on you are pretty much the same as my feelings on millar; if it weren't for his BP claim, I'd be all about lynching him as well. But, there is the BP claim, which is why I am all for him getting vigged.
Do you know that in the typical case scenario is that when a BP dies (either by lynching or NK) we usually lose a whole Day?
Yes. This is my opinion (replace "must" with "likely").Magua wrote:He acted that way in one game and was town, so he must be town in this game?Magua wrote:No, wait. Are you saying he's acting like *someone else* who was town in that game, and so he must be town in this game?
My first reaction is like "no way!"Magua wrote:This reads like straight up buddying.
After some thought, I'll admit: yes in a way it is like buddying. I remember I once said something like this and I'll just say it again: town members have to trust somebody to get somewhere. I trust KMD.
No, look at that: is a bunch of WIFOM and we're going deeper into WIFOM territory. After reading the above I find myself with a headache.Magua wrote:tl;dr: Pre-selection has pros (more accountability, less leeway if Richard is scum). The only valid con is that scum could nightkill the target themselves...but I'm ok with that, because then they're not nightkilling someone useful.Kindness-
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