Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[tanstalas]

1)Yes
2)No, N0 is too early to get any solid reads on.
3)No. Even though other people wouldn't know I cheated I would and it would bug me that I got the 'win' unfairly
4)$50/$50
5)$500,000/$500,000

2) I do. No comment on my target.

Vote: SensFan

What is your reasoning for vigging someone N0?

[tanstalas]

Yeah, based on your 1st post I think you probably drew a VT role or a regular goon role Sensfan, however since I do not have much to go on, I forgot that Andrius wanted purple, and since Red is one of the primary colors used for making purple there is a 50/50 chance that Andrius picked Red Scum, and hence, is our best lynch for now.

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

[tanstalas]

I wanted something that falls under the "purple" category, tanstalas. Not purple itself. Don't understand your logic but whatever dude.

Red falls under the "purple" category because it has red as a component of purple. You can't have purple without red... Red Scum!

[tanstalas]

I was out of RVS the moment I voted Andrius. I gave a RVS reason, but I do think he has a good chance at being scum. I think that MOST people in the game would pick town - as the town would have an easier chance to win, the people that are further down on the list probably would not get their first, or even second pick. So I am thinking that the people on the bottom third of the list have a higher chance at being scum.

However

, I do think that certain people who think they are the bomb at mafia (or are arrogant) would pick scum (or the SK); as winning as scum/SK would be harder to do and hence provide more of a challenge to them.

That is why I would not be surprised if Vi and Fate were both scum or Orange. Most of the other people in this game I have not played with.

And I have no idea why you are voting me SpyreX, was it the game you replaced into for me where you called my play "Drunken monkey-like"? Or something to that effect?

[tanstalas]

Firstly, I doubt the hosts did some kind of first come first serve role distribution, and I would wager it more likely that RNG gave people roles on their first picks. So regardless of if you were the first or the last person to submit colors, I don't think that it would have any bearing on whether you got your color choice or not.

I got my first pick and was near the top of the list *shrug* just speculation I suppose. Your theory makes more sense though. Maybe I was just lucky.

Secondly, why do you think it would be easier for town to win?

General trends

show mafia win more than town as of right now. Most people wouldn't pick town because they think they have a better chance at winning because town is easier, they would pick town because they are better at town than scum, or because they haven't played town in a while, or whatever other reason they want.

I was only ever in one large game on this site that I recall, and town won... granted we were down to 1 town , 1 scum and 1 sk at the end so it was close and probably not relevant to supporting my case. However on a couple large games that I semi-followed here that I found interesting I found that town won more often than not, also on another site I used to play on I found that town usually had the advantage in large games.

When you say general trends are you referring to a specific type of game such as large games or in general including minis, newbie, etc?

[tanstalas]

tanstalas is stretching way too much to try to

frame

Andrius.

@Kublai

- Can you give me your definition of the word 'frame' in the context of the sentence you used it in?

[tanstalas]

@MOI - The red scum thing was just joking around - I mentioned it in the signup thread as well that the two colors used in making purple were red and blue so Andy most likely picked Red and Blue as his choices.

@Kablai -

Your reasoning that people at the top of the sign-up list are more likely to get the role they chose is crap, IMHO. If you honestly believed that to be a possibility you'd have waiting for more responses to AlmasterGM's opening questions to see if it supported your theory.

I already said that I was probably wrong on my theory of first signups got priority over the other picks which can be seen when I replied to Too:

Firstly, I doubt the hosts did some kind of first come first serve role distribution, and I would wager it more likely that RNG gave people roles on their first picks. So regardless of if you were the first or the last person to submit colors, I don't think that it would have any bearing on whether you got your color choice or not.

I got my first pick and was near the top of the list *shrug* just speculation I suppose. Your theory makes more sense though. Maybe I was just lucky.

I was figuring since Sensfan was obviously pissed off at his role that he probably got the VT role or something similar based on his first post - and he was #24 on the list whereas I got my first pick and I was #4 on the list, like I said I was probably just lucky and he was unlucky.

Oh and I forgot to unvote Andy in that post.

Unvote: Andrius

The way you used the word 'frame' in your sentence to me struck a cord, hence why I asked you to give your definition of it. Usually when I think of framing someone I think of trying to make someone look guilty that you know is innocent which is why I asked you to define the word because there is no way I could know he is innocent (read: town) and I thought that only one group of people would know he was town, that being mafia, then I realized that the two scum groups most likely do not know who each other is. Though if you are scum then you would know the alignment of everyone save about 16% of the people in the gave (assuming 4/4/4/4/4/1 split)

So, town/sk. SK second because that way IF I get my first pick I then can throw out the (albeit not very) useful tidbit that SK is probably in the game.

hence Town/SK with a side of knowing it exists if I don't get it.

@SpyreX - This has been asked before by Xvart in #110, but why would you assume there 'might' be an SK in the game? It was very clearly outlined that there would be an SK in the game in the signup thread. Were you expecting the mods to message you back with "hehe lol there is no orange, we just put it in there to screw with you, even though we said there was an orange sk in the 5th post of the signup thread"

Vote:Spyrex

Now, this next part isn't really game related but Sensfan seriously needs to get over his 'RC hates me and the mods fixed the game' stuff, it is getting grating. Yes RC said there may be preferential treatment - however in responding to Mr. Flay he obviously said it was a joke. However if you really think that they boned you with the role they gave you feel free to replace out, I'd love to play with Fritz.

[tanstalas]

I just want you to use your robots or whatever it is to look through all my games and tell me if I was ever an SK, sheesh.

Just on a quick google search I found this:

http://mafiascum.net/dontpanic/viewtopi ... =9&start=0

Now I didn't dig deep so this is the only one I found offhand based on a simple search, and I can understand that you may have forgotten this game since it was a marathon game, thought it sort of funny that RC modded that game as well.. and you also admitted you picked orange as one of your colors... hmmm...

[tanstalas]

@Everyone voting for Spyrex

– I’d like to know how his mind-bogglingly strange logic regarding choosing Orange as a second color and it being meaningful (which appears to be from a misunderstanding of how roles would be distributed) is in any way a scum-tell.

Not in itself no. I'm just curious as to his thinking that if he got his first pick it would confirm there was a SK in the game. My vote there was just to get him to answer me as I am curious as to his reasoning.

[tanstalas]

BOTH concede that his reasoning may be flawed. NOWHERE do we see any signs of him rethinking his vote on Andrius, which he already definitively declared to be entirely serious for the very reasons he's starting to concede may not be valid.

I did actually unvote, you actually mentioned my unvote later in your next post, so I will not quote that part as it is redundant. Believe me or not that I forgot to unvote - based on this post and the next one of yours I doubt anything I say will change your mind.

The hell? I usually don't get strong vibes of 'look at me I'm so Town rite' because I've gotten grief mentioning offhand the fact that I'm Town as Town and you also get grief if you're not explicit enough about it - but this? Huh? It's weird, convoluted - 'I couldn't have framed anybody because I'm Town lol and hey thinking about it scum couldn't really frame anybody because they don't know who else might not be Town lol'. It almost reads like Tans is scum and was trying to 'frame' Andrius, by which I mean push a case he internally thought was BS, and then realized no one could actually frame, how convenient a response to KK.

Yeah, no.

I'm confused? No one can actually frame anyone in this game, unless they were masons and tried to setup their buddy as a mislynch, which would probably lead to being modkilled or something because they were not working towards their wincon.

I assume you meant initially instead of internally? If so, no, one of the theories I had for getting what you wanted was that the higher you were on the list the better chance you had to get the role you selected for reasons mentioned in my ISO-6 and also for one of the posts that RC made in the signup thread about giving someone a role that was 'left over'. In retrospect I see that this would be entirely unfair and I am still shaking my head that I thought that could be how the roles were handed out.

And why is this scummy? PREVIEW EDIT: Yeah, what NPAU said. Nice jumping on the stupid bandwagon (and I mean no real disrespect, but that bandwagon is facepalm worthy).

I said him choosing orange wasn't a scum tell in itself. I voted him to get his attention to my post as I do want an answer to why he thought an SK wasn't in the game and his reasoning/thought process of if he gets his first choice then that would prove there was an SK in the game?

However, since you said this:

I recognize SpyreX's line of thinking "'Don't want to be scum' 'SK could be fun' 'Town is fun' hence Town/SK with a side of knowing it exists if I don't get it". Just throwing that out there.

Can you explain to me how getting a town role would confirm that an SK exists, since well, you recognize his line of thinking.

The hell you're trying to insinuate? Really. Yeah, Spy said he was rarely if ever SK. That goes for most people on this site (Hayyyyylen >.<). Marathon games count/matter to various people by various degrees, so I'm not surprised it didn't leap to mind, as you said. And yeah, Spy admitted to picking Orange as his second choice. So fine. BUT WHAT IS 'FUNNY' ABOUT RC MODDING THAT GAME, HUH? It looks like crazyrandomhappenstance which in point of fact isn't so crazy and is barely coincidental. If you actually mean that you think RC likes making Spy an SK, man up and say it. If you don't, explain what you were trying to insinutate? Or were you just trying to seem like there were actual reasons to believe Spy is actually a threat? You should answer this, but I'm not holding my breath.

He asked if someone could find a game where he was an SK. I found one.

While I do not think that the mods assigned certain roles to people that they liked or didn't like (or at least hope they didn't) I just found it curious that RC modded a game where Spyrex was a SK.. maybe Sensfan's paranoia is rubbing off on me. So in answer to your question, maybe I was insinuating that perhaps Sensfan isn't as crazy as we all think he is with his wild conspiracy theories. There

was

a bit of 'joking' around in the signup threads about bias to people for roles. I guess what I am saying is that I do not think the mods picked roles based on the person - however, I do not know if theme games have the same rules as other games, where they HAVE to use random.org to assign the roles (if someone could enlighten me that would be awesome). If they do not, then I am going to leave Sensfans conspiracy theory as a possible, but not likely scenario.

P-edit: Love how I always get Katsuki love in the games I am in with her. Slightly surprised Fate isn't on my wagon yet though

[tanstalas]

HAH
NOT NINJA'D ONCE, BITCHES.

You typed that all up in 6 minutes?

I call shenanigans

[tanstalas]

realized that the two scum groups

most likely

do not know who each other is. Though if you are scum then you would know the alignment of everyone save about 16% of the people in the gave (

assuming

4/4/4/4/4/1 split)

Well duh,

the scum groups don't know who each other is

. It's unusual that you didn't assume/realize this immediately. It comes across as either extreme-VI (I don't have a ton of knowledge of tans' play in general, maybe others might know him better), or a poor excuse.

I really do not know if the two scum groups know each other. The mods didn't say anything hinting either way. Granted if it is two 4 man scumteams I can't see them knowing each other, as 8 people would decimate the voting and be pretty lopsided. However that is going under the assumption that there are two scumteams of 4 people each. I do not know if the scumteams are comprised of 4 people each. Vi pointed out another similar number of people in a game and setup where there were 5 scum, 8 neutral and 11 town (total 24 players).

I'm kinda on the Vi train with thinking that 9 anti-town members for a 25 player game seems slightly high, though MOI did bring up two recent games that did have two 4 player scumteams. The only large game I was in on this site had two 4 man scumteams and an SK as well, but there were 3 more townies in that game (28 players)

Going from Vi's example from PoA maybe there is only 5 scum are on two seperate "colors" but they do know who each other is? Maybe there are only 5 scum on two seperate teams that do not know who the other scum members of the other team are.. I do not know.

Can anyone familiar with the lore of the comics advise if the two scum group colors we have interact at all in the comics? Do the Yellow and Red factions team up at all?

I bolded the important points of my post and the important points in yours. Do you see the difference?

You stated in a matter of fact tone that the scum groups don't know who each other are, I was hypothesizing about the possible setup. The key here for my reasoning of switching to you is that you are coming across that you know for a fact the scum teams do not know each other - which if you were town you would not know; you could only surmise.

Unvote:
Vote: kdub

[tanstalas]

@tanstalas (130): Okay, I guess. But I still don't understand why you would move your vote from SensFan to Andrius if you truly believed that the lower numbered players have the highest probability of being scum.

Andrius was almost as low as SensFan, and the fact that Andrius' first color choices included an invalid color and had to resend them in made me wonder if maybe SSBF (who eventually turned into SensFan) actually would be "in before" Andrius. There was also the post by RC in the signup thread that Andrius was just going to get the 'leftovers' of what everyone else didn't get.

Plum vs. tanstalas 161 - I can go with this, at least after I see what Kdub has to say.

Looking forward to being grilled by the 'masterhunter vi' As long as you give me something I can respond to instead of just limping in and voting me *peers at Jack* without contributing anything I am perfectly fine with that. I realize my play has been less than stellar thus far with a bunch of head scratching statements.

[tanstalas]

The scum teams not knowing who is in the other scum team is a reasonable assumption that a player with any amount of experience on this site will make. Seriously, point me to the last (or any, for that matter) game on this site where a scum group

knows at the start of the game

who the other scum team is. Also explain how that could be a balanced game in any way, shape, or form.

Did you even read my post? I said assuming we have 8 scum members then yes they most likely do not know each other. If there is say a scum team of red and another of yellow with say 2 and 3 or 3 and 3 on each team then I see no reason why they wouldn't know of each other. They are the same mafia group, just split up because there are two 'scum' colors.

That you would vote me for this ridiculous reason just looks like you are following the biggest wagon and had to throw on some excuse to justify it.

I don't like voting people based on just what others say even if I agree with them, if a lot of people tend to think someone is scum I will look at them and try to find something else that looks scummy. Anyone that has played with me where I was town knows I do this. If you do not believe me go meta some games of me where I was town and you will see that I usually at least contribute something unique before hopping on a wagon.

And you voting your biggest counterwagon with the only reason given is that I do not know if the scum groups can communicate is laughable, especially since I explained my reasoning on it (that you seem to have failed to read)

P-edit: Hmm, seems Andrius didn't understand what I was trying to say either as he is also referencing a 8:16:1 setup. Did anyone understand that I was saying that the two scum teams may be able to communicate based on the fact that there may not be 8 scum?

p-edit(2) - Yeah there is a wagon on me, did you really not realize that? I'm really not sure why there is, well, I know Katsuki always votes me, SpyreX voted me for some reason he doesn't want to share and I think I addressed everyone else's concerns, but I guess not satisfactorily

[tanstalas]

Do you honestly believe this, or are you just saying this?

I think the mods have confirmed themselves that each color is 4 people.

Does this make any sense at all when you think about it? For one, why would the mods unbalance the two scum teams and then let them know eachother, but then split them up... its just making my head hurt. Circular logic.

*sigh* like I said a few times before I was hypothesizing about what the setup could be like.

• 1)I do think that 9 scum in a 25 man game seems a little too much
  2)I could see there being only 5-6 scum roles
  3)I could see them being on a single "team" - a 5 player scumteam or even 6 in a 25 man game doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch
  4)In regards to the point above think if there was only 5 or 6 scum, they would most likely all know each other/be on the same team in a single scum team game
  5)Since this game has 2 "scum colors" the 5 or 6 scum were split up to fill both teams.
  6)I have explained the above point before that is why I am getting frustrated that Kdub is still running in circles about it

Regarding the above bolded - can you point me to where the mods said each team has 4 people in it?

Would you mind giving me three bullet points (can be only a sentence) about why Kdub has done actions leading you to believe he is anti-town.

• 1)His knowledge that the scum teams cannot communicate between each other - slip? I don't know, that's how it read to me
  2)He basically said in his first post regarding me that he didn't find me scummy, the only thing he found
  strange
  was that I thought that
  maybe
  the two scum groups could communicate
  3)His vote on me seems scummy. His whole case on me rests on something that he didn't even find scummy, rather he found it "strange"
  4)The fact that I have explained my thinking on the scum team communicating many times and yet he keeps going back to it. Really, his last post where he quoted the "special rules" and said Try again Tans read scummy. In the preceding post I even said "They are the same mafia group, just split up because there are two 'scum' colors." I do not know if he is skimming, if I am not explaining myself properly or he doesn't want to admit that what I said even makes any sense because then his whole case on me is out the window
  5)Vi's points he brought up

This is craziness. The choices are RANKED. If you put SK in the second slot the ONLY way you will get it is if NO ONE picks it. I even said, when I picked it first, "I hope I'm one of the dozen players who put it first who gets it". It's extremely obvious that at least one person will have put it in first place.

I hope I don't come off as even more crazy, but I did a lot of thinking about how roles were going to be handed out. I gave you guys one of my theories, another one of my theories is that each choice WAS ranked but not how you are thinking. Basically another way I thought the roles might be handed out is based on a point system.

Say everyone has 3 "points" to spend - it comes down to whatever you rank your first choice as is 2 points and whatever you rank your second choice in as 1 point. So if you picked Orange as your second choice for example it would give you 1 point in the draw. Say for simplicity sakes that 10 other people picked Orange as their first choice and 4 other people picked orange as their second choice.

So basically there are 25 points in the draw, you picked it as your second choice so you have 1 out of the possible 25 or a 4% chance at getting orange, even though you only picked it second you have a chance to get it.

he would know that the scum group does not consist of 8 but rather 4 and 4

I never said the scum group would consist of 8, in fact I said if there are 8 scum members then I couldn't see any way that they would know who each other were/communicate with each other. See below:

Granted if it is two 4 man scumteams I can't see them knowing each other, as 8 people would decimate the voting and be pretty lopsided.

[tanstalas]

hey tans
whatcha think about nopointinactingup

The shooting himself in the head thing if he was a vig was probably a joke on himself which didn't go over. at all.

For the rest of your points:

first point
why dont you like agms questions
what do you mean you see no real scumhunting reason to make a fuss over it
what makes vi and agm likely to be town based on their exchange

second point
this literally adds nothing to the conversation

third point
did you really just lay down a vote with the sole intent of buddying
wifom wifom wifom wifom wifom

First point:
A few people didn't like AGM's questions and didn't answer them, and said they didn't like them, or gave no inclination either way - null tell
He doesn't see any reason to make a fuss out of it because he believes they are both town - See below
He needs to answer this question you posed to him to validate his point above

Second point:
I don't like this question as it was already poised by Magna on the previous page (#149). Looks to be parroting to me. I also wonder why he said he found it peculiar but didn't offer up any reasoning as to why he found it peculiar. If we ask him now he will probably just regurgitate what Xvart mentioned about Spyex's modding history and knowing that he would not get orange.

Third point:
I'm confused over what his real motivation was on the vote. Was it that he doesn't like Sensfan's bitching or to buddy up to Magna? Both reasons are lame to be certain. We were well past RVS at this point, I would like him to clarify why he actually put a vote on Sensfan, was it one of the above, or some other reason?

In conclusion, I think you should have put NPIAU on your "people who need to post more" list. I'm liking the kdub wagon more still, I am waiting to see him explain why AGM and Vi to him appeared to be a TvT exchange, as well as clarify the reasons he is voting Sensfan.

[tanstalas]

A reason why color claiming is BAD:

There is at least one member of each of the six factions listed besides Orange that has no abilities on its own.

Presuming this means there is a "VT" color, once somebody flips VT, scum will now know everyone who claimed that color is VT, which will make it much easier for them to hunt PRs.

I read that a little different than you. I read that as there is at least one VT in each of the 6 factions. So at least 6 VT's in the game, with there being at least one VT in each faction, possibly more. Not that there is a whole faction full of VT's

NINJAD!

[tanstalas]

Whoops, that's supposed to be:
Game Name= Blackest Night Mafia
Flavor Text= Based on the DC Comics series, this game will reenact the War of the Lanterns. Each player will be able to choose which corps he wants to fight for, and each corps except for Orange

will have two power roles and two vanilla townies.

This game will have two scum factions and one serial killer.

Here was what I was talking about tans, (about four each color) and it seems to also be relevant to our 'mass color-claim' discussion here.

Did not see him say that, where did he say this? I do not see it in this thread or in the signup thread. The latest news is that there is at least one vanilla role so I am assuming he said this in the thread where you pitch your idea for a game? If so either some things in the dynamics of the game changed between pitching the game or dana didn't think anyone would see this post and thought he could just tell us at least one VT role is in each group.

Anyhow, if there are 8 scum then that killed my possible scum can talk to each other over various factions theory since that would be way too many scum that could collude together.

@Kdub - Were you aware of this post made by Dana where he explicitly said there would be 4 people per faction?

[tanstalas]

@tanstalas - Please answer post 275, thanks.

I'm confused. Reck's question was directed at NPIAU. I didn't answer it because it was directed at NPIAU. I gave my thoughts on his question to him as Reck asked me my thoughts on NPIAU, I didn't feel that his not liking your questions had no bearing on if he is scum or not, hence why I said null tell.

[tanstalas]

wait. wut.

then why are you answering for nopoint?

I wasn't I was commenting on each of the points that Reck raised in regards to him thinking nopoint was scum, go back and re-read the post, I made a comment on every comment he made a comment on. I guess you could say I was answering for him, though that was not my intent.

[tanstalas]

Now, aside from the raw madness in Red makes Purple thus Andrius is scum which is amazing there is the simple fact he went "welp, you're a VT or scum" based on more of that amazing madness - and then never followed up what would be an actual good avenue if he actually believed it.

At that point I thought he did get a VT role or a goon role, but nothing he said at that point screamed scum to me. The only thing that I didn't like was his 'random kills are good for town' for a justification for a N0 kill, but that's his opinion and a null tell IMO. As the game progressed and he raged about wanting a scum role and got a town role instead I figured he had a VT role. As well, I was figuring he would have been vigged if he kept up his bitching (as it really was getting annoying), then again maybe we don't even have a vig, or maybe he is a night vig *shrug*

Also, you may have noticed, I have been preoccupied these last few pages trying to pull my bacon out of the fire?

So, as it sits I'm down with and of the amigos or tans.

Again, in English this time please? Really do not know what you are saying here.

[tanstalas]

Spy, sens has the whole claiming he went for scum but didn't get it thing. Although I do think him saying he went red/orange is weird. SSBF meta would still be interesting.

But I want to go with starbuck now.

unvote, vote:Starbuck

this is ten kinds of lulzy
laying down a vote on starbuck without giving proper reasoning attached to the vote

He did give reasoning based on starbuck saying she prefers scum in his post #345.. though how come no comment on this post?

vote:tantsalas

Seriously, that was the entire post

Oh, and Happy Birthday Reck

P-edit - Maybe Andy will give you a birthday kiss <3

[tanstalas]

Jack is your 345 just a bunch of people preferences or did you quote them to highlight a particular point you wanted to make?

Andrius was the one to make the point. In his VERY FIRST post.

Adding Guderian to the 'skims most of the posts' group.

[tanstalas]

Just keeping a tab of who seems to skim posts.

However since you asked, do you think people who skim posts are more likely to be scum or town? Or do you feel that both factions do it equally as much?

[tanstalas]

I do not like his answers in post 371, I just quickly read one of his recent games where he was town (picking simplicity) and his posts in that game do not give me the same vibe as his posts in this game do.

It's like he doesn't even care in this game

@NPIAU - can you link me to your most recent game or two where you were scum?

[tanstalas]

@Reck - After skimming NPIAU in 2 games where he is scum (POP and 1040) I do not think he is scum this game.

@Tanstalas

– Your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that I’ve seen floated in the last 10 pages (thanks spammers!) are completely out there. I would like you to answer one question.

1)I do think that 9 scum in a 25 man game seems a little too much

Why at this point did you believe this? Seriously, I want to know.

I kinda already touched on this in my ISO-11, but I will try to explain my reasoning a little better.

I agree with Vi that 9 people in a 25 man setup seemed to be a little too many - I also conceded that you mentioned two games that had 9 people in a similar number. The only actual experience I have with a large was SSBB which has 9 scum, but also had three more townies. Coming into the game I was unaware that there was 2 PR's and 2 VT's in each faction. The only information I had was from Special rules #2 which stated that there was at least one VT in the game. I thought the way that was worded was strange, especially since the queue thread said that at least one member of each faction has no abilities. Since the game thread is more recent I took that to mean that maybe more PR's were added which would make sense (to me at least) since this is a game based on super heroes. Another main point was while it specified that there was at least 1 VT in the game it didn't mention anything about there being any goons - now this doesn't nessessarily mean there aren't any, I just thought it odd how it was worded. "At least one VT in the game" instead of "At least one person without any abilities" and assumed the worst that all or most of the scum were PR's which would make 9 too many IMO

how about scumhunting instead of bitching all game long?

How about taking your own advice?

and all tans has done thus far is post giant walls of fluff with his pretend vi ness though i see what he is doing dere

And all you had done up until this point is less than what I had done up to that point. Hypocrite much?

personally im of the belief that we shouldnt necessarily be worrying about orange for the time being but thats just me

this

only scum would be sk hunting

which reminds me
tans was doing this too in the beginning when spyspy mentioned picking orange

As was brought up by others the SK can probably take/steal our rings if we have one. I'd say there is some motivation in taking the SK out.

@Vi: By spyspy wagon I meant the one in the early pages where people piled onto him for his choice of orange

despite the explanations.

It's just so easy imo for scum to go like "OMG YOU CLAIMED ORANGE SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM /VOTE" with the guise of looking town.
Which is also somewhat my reasoning for the reck votes that accumulated shortly after your analysis calling reck SK.

@Vi: Skimming right now, but it was kdub, xvart and tans who jumped on spyspy.
Aka, two of our beloved scum.

Seriously? I actually voted him because of the LACK of his explanations.

@Everyone voting for Spyrex

– I’d like to know how his mind-bogglingly strange logic regarding choosing Orange as a second color and it being meaningful (which appears to be from a misunderstanding of how roles would be distributed) is in any way a scum-tell.

Not in itself no. I'm just curious as to his thinking that if he got his first pick it would confirm there was a SK in the game. My vote there was just to get him to answer me as I am curious as to his reasoning.

@Gud: My list was sarcasm directed at dekes for his statement of me behaving oddly due to the lack of a list. I only listed the obvtown alignment confirmed masons, since I have no desire to create lists.

I very much doubt that you, Fate and Reck are masons together. The fact that you guys run around as the CAPS-LOCK ALLIANCE makes me doubt you are even in the same faction this game, unless you colluded beforehand to all submit the same colors? Which I know you wouldn't do because that would be dishonest, right?

Ok so

just went back and looked

I think nopoint was the only one who voted reck after V's SK analysis post. Not sure if anyone attacked reck for townpoints though,

did not look.

Why would you mention if anyone attacked reck for townpoints? Would you say that is a scumtell? If you think it is a scumtell why wouldn't you look since you just said you were re-reading? So you went back and looked, but you didn't look

The only scumhunting Katsuki has done this entire game is asking other people their thoughts on people.

Unvote
Vote: Katsuki

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LOL NICE TAKING A QUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT.
For the record this was a comment directed at SENSFAN.

I know it was directed at Sensfan, however the point stands, why don't you take your own advice?

Not really, no. Considering you've done absolutely nothing except post giant walls of fluff.

That's your opinion. What have YOU done this game?

TAKE SOME MORE POSTS OUT OF CONTEXT PLEASE!

Those posts you quoted of mine came before ANY ring discussion took place.

Uhh, No they didn't - IT WAS MENTIONED AS EARLY AS ON THE FIRST PAGE (caps IS fun) check post #19, for comparison your post was #259

CAPSLAWKALLIANCE = ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED MASONS, NEXT!

So, you are saying you guys did arrange to submit the same colors?

And this is right after I explicitly stated that I was in class and was SKIMMING.
YOU ALSO NEED TO READ SINCE I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED MANY TIMES WHY ATTACKING RECK AT THAT POINT WAS SCUMMYYYYYY.

You said you were in class in the post BEFORE this one. You said and I quote in your post #17 "Will be back after class, actually learning important stuff nao." then an HOUR later you made the post I referenced #18. Since you said you would be back AFTER class I would assume class was done, so why the heck are you still skimming. So my previous question still stands.

Why would you mention if anyone attacked reck for townpoints? Would you say that is a scumtell? If you think it is a scumtell why wouldn't you look since you just said you were re-reading? So you went back and looked, but you didn't look

Lies, thanks.

Yes, you did.

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Is this going to be a repeat of Castlevania where you spent pages questioning the validity of my roadtrip?...

I also like how you keep asking me to say that I've done this game. Is iso'ing me that hard? I can see you refuse to iso considering you repeated one of your questions that I already stated that I have answered. Many times at that.

Ironic that you mention Castlevania considering that was the one game where I was town and you were in fact scum.

You could have mentioned one of the other (what was it 2 or 3) games we were in where we were both town?

CAPSLAWKALLIANCE = ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED MASONS, NEXT!

So, you are saying you guys did arrange to submit the same colors?

YES, TOTALLY RELATED TO SCUMHUNTING.
Tell me, what does this say about us hmm? And what does it say about me?

For this part. I think I will just reference other peoples quotes to answer it:

This also raises another thought in my mind, something that is irrelevant now, bu may be relevant down the road, given the size of the signup thread. I wonder if players PMed each other ahead of time and tried to coordinate putting the same colors in to try and get on the same team.

Toogeloo - While there is an integrity issue here - sort of similar to how people don't like Plum and Pomegranate playing in the same games - proposing that people intentionally chose to team up before the game started pretty much undermines the integrity of the entire site, since we're playing on the honor system.

Although I'm sure some people would do it anyway. <_<

As an aside, and to be fair the following comment should be taken with a grain of salt, but I am starting to ponder the idea that the people in this game that love to be in alliances (capslock or otherwise) get some sort of thrill of being in cahoots with others, so I wouldn't hold it against them to want to be

officially in cahoots with others and therefore select to be scum

. Something to think about.

The only way you could be sure you would be on the same team and speak to one another would be if you were on the same scumteam. Picking a town color and hoping to be masons would be pretty farfetched since we do not even know if there are masons in the game

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Once again, another deflection from Katsuki, still no answering my questions.

Going to take a page out of your book now.

@Vi - What are your thoughts on Katsuki?

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I can't answer something that has nothing to respond to.

That's your opinion. What have YOU done this game?

Why would you mention if anyone attacked reck for townpoints? Would you say that is a scumtell? If you think it is a scumtell why wouldn't you look since you just said you were re-reading? So you went back and looked, but you didn't look

At above you said you were in class but as I already pointed out:

You said you were in class in the post BEFORE this one. You said and I quote in your post #17 "Will be back after class, actually learning important stuff nao." then an HOUR later you made the post I referenced #18. Since you said you would be back AFTER class I would assume class was done, so why the heck are you still skimming. So my previous question still stands.

TAKE SOME MORE POSTS OUT OF CONTEXT PLEASE!

Those posts you quoted of mine came before ANY ring discussion took place.

Uhh, No they didn't - IT WAS MENTIONED AS EARLY AS ON THE FIRST PAGE (caps IS fun) check post #19, for comparison your post was #259

As was brought up by others the SK can probably take/steal our rings if we have one. I'd say there is some motivation in taking the SK out.

At above. Wouldn't you agree?

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We have no idea what the SK actually does. Hence why would you SK-hunt instead of scum-hunt?

Re: Classes, you do realize classes last longer than an hour, right?

You said in your ISO-17 that you would be back

AFTER

class, you then posted an hour later... I assumed class was done since well, you said in the post directly before ISO-18 that you would be back

AFTER

You keep requoting questions that I have provided answers for, including one that has been quoted for the third time now.
Nice job faking activity.

Are you referring to:

i like how once vi calls reck sk

everyone starts piling votes onto reck

this is almost a repeat of spyspy wagon early on all this sk voting needs looking at

as the answer to:

Why would you mention if anyone attacked reck for townpoints? Would you say that is a scumtell? If you think it is a scumtell why wouldn't you look since you just said you were re-reading? So you went back and looked, but you didn't look

and then you also said:

Ok so just went back and looked I think

nopoint was the only one who voted reck

after V's SK analysis post. Not sure if anyone attacked reck for townpoints though, did not look.

And you say I am faking activity? lulz

And anyways the main part of that question was basically why would you bring up that you did not know if anyone had attacked Reck for townpoints when you didn't even look? Did you expect us to go look for you?

Also going back to this quote:

personally im of the belief that we shouldnt necessarily be worrying about orange for the time being but thats just me

this

only scum would be sk hunting

which reminds me

tans was doing this too in the beginning when spyspy mentioned picking orange

When I asked you your comment on this you said rings talk wasn't brought up yet, I corrected you, since you obviously have reading comprehension issues, and even directed you to the post where it was mentioned on the first page. I bring this up, because you made a point of saying I was sk hunting where you said just before that only scum would be sk hunting, hence, implying I was scum.

Now, knowing at the point where I was "sk hunting" as you call it that the SK posed a threat to the town would you say that the above was scummy of me to be SK hunting?

And if you call what I was doing up until that point SK-hunting and not scum-hunting I will laugh at you. As at that point I was already way past the SK thing and onto kdub. FTR: and to save you the time to look it up I mentioned the SK thing in my ISO-7 (Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:52 pm) by the time you posted the above I was already 6 posts past that and pushing Kdub. So I must have been scumhunting and not just SK-hunting, wouldn't you agree? So why even try to link the two together if you say scumhunting is pro-town and includes the SK by this next quote?

Scumhunting includes the SK.
SK-hunting however is exclusively SK.

I assume you meant SK

only

hunting is exclusively

scum

?

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I had plenty of time over the holidays which is when this game should have started instead of waiting. It's about 5:30 am here and I'm on my way out the door for physical training.

Bad excuse is bad.

Even if it started over the holidays, do you think it would be over by now?

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So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

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So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

This is the same twisting that most of your questioning has consisted of.

Glad to see you lurking instead of answering the questions you promised to answer. Do you guys have a daychat this game? Waiting for Fate and Reck to tell you how to back peddle your way out if this?

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personally im of the belief that we shouldnt necessarily be worrying about orange for the time being but thats just me

this

only scum would be sk hunting

which reminds me

tans was doing this too in the beginning when spyspy mentioned picking orange

When I asked you your comment on this you said rings talk wasn't brought up yet, I corrected you, since you obviously have reading comprehension issues, and even directed you to the post where it was mentioned on the first page. I bring this up, because you made a point of saying I was sk hunting where you said just before that only scum would be sk hunting, hence, implying I was scum.

Now, knowing at the point where I was "sk hunting" as you call it that the SK posed a threat to the town would you say that the above was scummy of me to be SK hunting?

And if you call what I was doing up until that point SK-hunting and not scum-hunting I will laugh at you. As at that point I was already way past the SK thing and onto kdub. FTR: and to save you the time to look it up I mentioned the SK thing in my ISO-7 (Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:52 pm) by the time you posted the above I was already 6 posts past that and pushing Kdub. So I must have been scumhunting and not just SK-hunting, wouldn't you agree? So why even try to link the two together if you say scumhunting is pro-town and includes the SK by this next quote?

I'm confused by what you're trying to say here.

Basically you eluded that I was scum because I was as you called it "sk-hunting" because only scum do that, recently you said that scumhunting includes hunting SK's after Too said SK is anti-town and therefore should be hunted. When you posted the above I was way past the Spyrex thing where I mentioned he was scum in another game and suggested that maybe Spyrex was the SK since in the prior game he was SK in RC was also the mod of that game. In fact there were numerous posts between when I posted about spyrex and when you posted OMG TANS IS SK-HUNTING HE MUST BE SCUM. I was already on kdub at that time.

So since you said today that scumhunting includes sk-hunting what I am saying is how was I sk-hunting instead of scumhunting?

P-edit:

and there is no way I could've stepped away from mafiascum.net, nope.

I was referring to the fact at 1:15am (according to my timestamp) you would answer the rest of the questions later. Two minutes after I asked Fate a question you popped back in with a comment of your own. I guess you stepped back to MS just then, what a crazy coincidence.

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So Fate, what do you think of Katsuki saying that you, she and Reck colluded to submit the same colors?

I think: Katsuki's a girl?!?!??!11

Errr... I thought she was? Maybe I'm getting old, I thought I remembered her saying she was a girl in a game I was in >.<

@Katsuki - Are you a girl or a guy? I just want to know so I use the right noun. I'm calling you she and others are calling you he so I don't know which one is the correct one to use.

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tl;dr Tans

1. His pushes on people dont seem geniune
2. Argues nuance way to much, (and uses post/word count to hide himself in)
3. Theories and Off-cuff remarks dont seem pro town

(tans, are you pushing for a modkill of Kat, reck and fate or what?)

Your first line doesn't make sense. If you didn't read then how can you say any of those 3 points?

If you are saying you did read it and are telling other people that this is the summary then please give me a couple of examples of my recent push on Katsuki of your three points, I would like to see that

They wouldn't be mod-killed for colluding to pick the same colors. It isn't against site rules, it's just.. for lack of a better word "cheap"

And Katsuki asked me what I thought of her for doing it. I figured I didn't have to as Vi summed up my thoughts on the issue quite nicely.

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I forgot to ask.

@Guderian - you call PZ/The Stove out for being lazy and not providing content. Yet you seem to be sticking up for Katsuki. Do you think that she is being less lazy and/or providing more content than PZ/The Stove?

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Tans, get with the program. That was Vi's request from a few pages back.

You think the level of posting by the stove and Katsuki is ===??

I'm not sure why you are trying to establish a false dilemma for me with your second line. Katsuki reads mildly pro-town any how, and certainly miles ahead of you or the stove.

Youre pushing for a modkill because it is not allowed to collude with others about what colors you pick. (At least I'm pretty sure no outside game interactions is allowed)

So.. those points I asked you for?

Even though you are rude and are deflecting my questions, I will be nice and answer yours.

Katsuki has posted a lot more than TS, however in terms of content they are about equal IMO. If you took what % of posts were actual posts and not just fluff TS would be above Katsuki. Seriously, go ISO her and tell me that her ISO doesn't look like a bunch of posts just to not be prodded.

If they aren't allowed to collude then they would have been modkilled by now, you know when Katsuki admitted that they did?

Are you their 4th partner? I have no idea how you have a pro-town read on her. Please explain that to me. I must be very oblivious. I want to hear what makes her pro-town to you.

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I can get behind this wagon. Do not like how he expects people to answer his inquires but ignores mine

Unvote; Vote Guderian

Also you will have to forgive me if you address me and I do not get back to you for a few days, have the flu and have been sleeping for most of the time since Wednesday

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Vote: Sensfan

May as well get this ball rolling

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I think we should go back and consider Guderian/dramonic and hunt some RED COMMIES.
Eliminating Red would be great at this point.

Well, I am assuming Reck hit the nail on the head and Sensfan and NPIAU are the other 2. Hence why I am voting Sensfan, plus he had a lot of good points against him yesterday

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Oh, I'm sure you haven't

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Kdub is on the list as well Plum, let's agree on one person for now, we can get to Kdub tomorrow... or maybe he will get a bullet tonight like Dram did

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*Sad puppy dog face at Fate*

Wish you would have investigated me

Maybe tomorrow? Get Andrius and Katsuki off my back

[tanstalas]

Pfft, we're obviously not all following Reck's list then

Oh and Andrius, if you are gonna call me a Christmas Tree, at least spell it correctly.

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Ok, from Dram's ISO (SHORT AS HELL) I divined the following:
scum have fakeclaims from his willingless to claim
MoI is probably not Red
nopoint is unlikely Red. Don't quote me on that.

For you Andy.

BOTTOM LINE IS AS FOLLOWS:
DRAMONIC IS SCUM WITH NOPOINTINACTINGUP AND SENSFAN
I DO NOT CARE WHICH OF THE THREE WE LYNCH TODAY

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EBWOP - Also somewhere in Dram's ISO I think he mentioned somewhere if Dram was scum Magna probably wasn't I could be wrong, it's not like I have an eidetic memory

[tanstalas]

EBWOTP: And by Dram I mean Reck

[tanstalas]

I like Starbuck's explanation

Unvote:
Vote: Katsuki

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What particularly do you like about it, tanstalas?

Well, I like both the NPIAU and Katsuki lynches. However Reck is confirmed town, and we know he was a mason, and was most likely paired with at least someone to start. Since he was vouching for you and noone else has come forward to say that they were his mason partner I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are his mason buddy. Since you knew his role and what would happen if he targeted a scum member it just makes sense that Katsuki is scum as she is not in your mason (as someone pointed out) Correct me if I am wrong but kills happen last right? So Reck's recruitment would have gone through and then he would have died. Though there is the whole could have been RB'd, etc. I also did not like Katsuki's evading of my questions yesterday.

I also think NPIAU would be a good lynch because I am not sure why he would choose to hide behind Vi (seriously Vi and Andrius I thought seemed to be the most 'townie' yesterday and I thought at least one of them would be dead today) The fact that Vi died and NPIAU is still on this side of the turf makes me think he is bullshitting. Though I do not know why he would claim hiding behind someone he knows died because that would just make everyone question that claim. WIFOM and all that I suppose.

The fact being Reck would have had to have been RB'd to not recruit Katsuki, and for NPIAU to not die I would assume he would have had to have been RB'd as well? (assuming he thought he hid at Vi but he in fact didn't hence why he didn't die) That would mean 2 RB'ers - now I can see there being 2 RB's in the game, but this would be one hell of a coincidence if both RB's blocked Reck and NPIAU to give us the situation we have now. I think it is much more plausible that either NPIAU or Katsuki is lying.

I'm game for either lynch at this point. The Katsuki lynch is a slight edge because we have confirmation on Reck and thus you by association Starbuck, hence why I am siding with you.

I'm hoping Kats flips yellow - then maybe Fate and Andrius will realize I'm not mafia, though they will probably accuse me of bussing Katsuki then

[tanstalas]

Tempted to vote Andrius for taking out the hottie

I'm still liking the NPIAU case from yesterday

Vote: NPIAU

[tanstalas]

While I agree that Spyrex's thoughts make sense as to why NPIAU is still alive, I can't imagine why Vi would bus herself with someone who bleeds town like Andy. Personally I would bus myself with someone who I thought was scum, or at least who I thought wouldn't be targeted at night. Unless Vi thought Andy was going to draw doc protection? Though that would leave Andy susceptible to be NK'd if anyone targeted Vi. Or am I missing something here?

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Is there some sort of ruleset that detail what actions take place in what order? I think kills always happen last right? What about the hiding, does that usually happen near the start or end of the sequence? In general I mean. If generally hiding takes place at the start there is a good chance that Andy's charitable donation of cookies didn't reach NPIAU, if hiding usually takes place later in the sequence though Andy might be on the mark.

For clarification, Andy can you ask the mods to clarify what would happen if you tried to give the cookies to someone you couldn't find? IE: Would they advise you that you couldn't give the items away, etc? They will probably say they can't answer, but worth a shot

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Stove posted.

I'm willing to switch to Xvart and put my trust in you guys after Kit and Kast post

[tanstalas]

I think Xvart is at L-1 - just saying so no one 'accidently' hammers before Kit gets a chance to post

[tanstalas]

lol I should read the preview edit before I post.

Do we really need to wait for Kit to post, or does anyone mind if I hammer now?

[tanstalas]

=====[]

Unvote:
Vote: Xvart

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[tanstalas]

Out of curiosity, why did you yellow xvart's name in the Last D1 Votecount?

Because he admitted to being yellow scum perhaps?

Assume that Andy just forgot to make it yellow in the other VC's

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I agree with The Stove, MoI is probably our best choice for a lynch. I'm kinda of scared now though, in the comics the black lantern corps were made up of heroes that were DEAD right? If dead people start coming back...

Andy, any thoughts and how did the cookie thing go?

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1) Did you receive anything last night? And if the answer to the above is "No":
2) Claim basics. Do you have an active ability, what color you are, what's your gender (if discenrable). That's all I'll need to know.
Because I think this will confirm you as town.

No
Yes
Green
Male

[tanstalas]

Black recru... oh wait..

Sodam Yat - Odd night vig, and to answer your next question Dramonic and Toog (oops)

[tanstalas]

Green and Green - yeah I sent the same color in for both my primary and secondary

[tanstalas]

If you don't believe me you can ask the mods if I sent in the same colors for both choices, they probably won't confirm that I sent in green, but ask them if they would reject someone's choices if they sent in the same color for both

[tanstalas]

p.s. Flavor would be much appreciated when you can, as the OP says Sensfan was a bomb and it'd be great to see who he took with him.
OH WAIT.
DISPARAGY.
tanstalas supposedly killed him.
Y U NOT DEAD TANNEBAUM?
YOU YELLOW?

I shot Toog, not SensFan. We on the same page yet, Andy?

tans, why would you not shoot at Sens last night?

Because I felt like it would be a waste of a shot, the way Xvart was talking it sounded like they knew he had a PR and I figured that yellow would take SensFan out. I thought Toog may have been the SK so I took the shot at him.

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No comment on you being almost confirmed scum, huh?

Rather almost confirmed town is how I would look at it

[tanstalas]

But two other bodies appear to have both been burnt by a red energy, which has formed a small crater in the town square. It looks like a cat and a blue-skinned woman.

That means Jack targeted Sens, who blew up.

Which leaves only two kills for our three (four?) scum factions.

AND Tans claims the Toog shot.

hum

What games have you been playing where VT's kill at night? Or are you thinking someone gave Jack a 1-time vig shot?

[tanstalas]

You pushing this lynch quite hard Andy, especially since noone has even CC'd me as Green.

Got a question for you Andy: Do your cookies only work on scum turning them into Black Lantern Corps?

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Prev-edit: tans... I'm not sure that that makes any sense.

Was just thinking his cookie thing only went through once on the first night, right? So only one person (that we know of) has been turned into black. Dunno, something to keep in mind for if I get lynched when I flip town you can look back and see and ask why Andy was pushing my lynch so hard, especially his conflicting arguments of not speculating on setup then saying if it is 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 back to saying I am scum again when I am the only (4th) claimed Green without any CC

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Let me get this right Andy, you used your cookies on all 3 nights and nothing happened on all 3 nights? Do you think it possible that your cookies don't even do anything and/or the mods may be screwing with you?

@Dekes - Toog gave me a vibe early D1 with his 'joke' to vig you plus he talked a lot about the SK on D1, it was more of a gut feeling shot but meh, and really? you are voting the mods? LOL, way to scumhunt. This is jokes.

And, I gave this some thought, so I feel like I can share this information with you all as well because I have a feeling I will be dying tonight. I cannot be lynched due to me being a Daxamite and thus invulnerable when the sun is out. If you attempt to lynch me it will result in a no-lynch and we will proceed to night.

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Because I am paranoid, I think we may be screwed with so many scum and the SK still running around and with the new Black lantern corps running around, I am waiting until everyone has posted as I am hoping against hope that there might be a second cop or a deputy in the game with a guilty read on someone.

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Why are you so eager for a MC? We have people who haven't even posted yet today

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Though I'm 95% sure, tans AND nipau are both scum. I'm 100% sure, MoI is scum.

And this game feels like one mislynch could cost us the game

(hello balance?). Meh, let's just wait for the next VC.

No to massclaim.

We still have scum presenting themselves on a silver platter

and at least another night before worrying about losing.

LOL. Hai contradictory statement man!

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But I'm sure we don't have to mislynch today.

Then why even bring it up? Posting just for the sake of posting? Starting wagons on the mods, yeah you look like you are really involved in scumhunting

P-edit: No. You!

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EBWOP - lol I can't read thought it was Andy that said that, not AGM heh, so used to him posting

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Wow, tans ia bad at flailing and trying to deflect suspicion.

@Andy
Me too.

Pfft, you say you know my scum meta - what part of flailing and deflecting suspicion is part of my scum meta?

You still sore about that newbie game? Let it go man!

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If I'm scum what am I, red, yellow, orange or black?

[tanstalas]

So I double bussed Katsuki and Xvart?

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I'm not even sure why we are having this discussion of lynching me.

1)I can't be lynched, believe it or not I do not care
2)I will probably be NK'd tonight anyhow by either town with a magical shot (unless someone admits to RB'ing Andy) or by scum so, either way I'm gone. If they let me live to N5 I'd laugh
3)If you think NPIAU is SK (and I could believe it with his claim - not that he is a hider but rather bullet-proof) I do not know why you are not voting for him Andy, take SK out and we have 1 less kill to worry about.
4)I wouldn't be surprised if you were RB'd - a game this large I would be surprised if there wasn't a RB'er. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a scum RB'er and I doubt that they would step forward to clear me. Now unless that person is town and wants to clear me I'd be very happy

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AGAIN, MUCH ANGER AT TANNY FOR ENDING D3 PREMATURELY.

dude, I asked if anyone minded if I hammered, many people posted and didn't say to wait, the only one who did was Xvart

I just wanted to hammer, I don't think I have ever gotten to hammer before, and I wanted my name listed in the flavor

Besides, the day went on for quite awhile after I hammered and there was much talk and discussion, so let go of your anger Andy, it is only going to cause kidney stones

Oh and to answer your question, I as well prefer a NPIAU lynch

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1. Why do you think Mods, in a game with SO many scum kills, would handicap Town in such a manner by making your Unlynchability such a handicap when it is triggered?

I don't know, you would have to ask them. If I had to make a guess I would say that they probably assumed there would be some cross kill action between the scum teams and the SK, which would give town an advantage. Though now that we know there is a cult involved it seems that that advantage may be moot, so I guess that would be a question post-game for the mods.

2. Why did you state the following, which I bolded, in your previous post right before this?

Dunno, something to keep in mind for if

I get lynched when I flip town

you can look back and see and ask why Andy was pushing my lynch so hard, especially his conflicting arguments of not speculating on setup then saying if it is 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 back to saying I am scum again when I am the only (4th) claimed Green without any CC

I wasn't sure if I should advise that I was unlynchable at that point due to some people here that I played with in SSBB and coming up with a crazy fake claim in that game they might have thought I was trying to pull the same thing. In thinking about it more I realized I was most likely worm food tonight anyhow since the scum teams/sk probably want to take out the vig who might get one of them, especially since I am outed now and can get feedback from people who are obv-town (Andy, and I assume you if that is the correct color code for blue) on who to shoot N5. I realize I was looking good for a lynch due to acting scummy, at this point you can either believe me or not that I am green, if you choose to lynch me now after I came clean then go for it.

Pending that response I have one other observation -

dude, I asked if anyone minded if I hammered, many people posted and didn't say to wait, the only one who did was Xvart

I just wanted to hammer, I don't think I have ever gotten to hammer before, and I wanted my name listed in the flavor

1. Asking permission to hammer is scumtastic. It’s an advanced attempt to disavow responsibility.
2. Not ever having hammered before is among the dumbest reasons to hammer. Wanting your name listed in the Night Flavor is either childish, scummy, or both.

1) I said that I was willing to put my vote on Xvart even before I 'asked' for permission in post 1349 pending Kast and Kit posting. Kast did post and voted for Xvart putting him at L-1 then. I even said that he was at L-1 now so no one accidently hammer, then I read his post where he admitted he was scum. I had every intention of hammering, I just didn't know if we wanted to wait for Kit to post, so that's why I poised the question to the group, after Spyrex, Jack and Dekes all posted without saying 'yeah wait for Kit to post' I hammered.

2) It wasn't the reason, it was a 'perk' The 'Reason' why I hammered was that he was he admitted to being scum. And yes the thought of having my name in the flavor was incentive to drop the hammer call it childish - whatever, but no one seemed to be objectionable to me hammering.

[tanstalas]

I'm not sure I understand this, actually. "color code for blue"?

you playing dumb? You even hinted that the blue you posted was not the real blue color but the person to say they were blue could use the real color blue.

In MoI's post he used 0000FF as the color code, assuming in your PM where it told you your color it was color coded blue, if 0000FF is the color code for blue in your PM then he should be confirmed to you.

[tanstalas]

Popcorn to tanstalas. If you already claimed then repost it and pick somebody else.

For real, dude? He has not only claimed his color (which he brought up again multiple times because he believed not being CCed on Green confirmed him) but also his character and abilities. Now, I'm still very inclined to believe that it was a fakeclaim, but still... you should probably know this by now.

LOL, glad I'm not the only one that misses things

Kast, you're up.

P-edit damn you Andy!

[tanstalas]

Whatev. The sooner I get it over with the better.

Good thing I saw the preview before submitting... *just cut super-awesome claim from post*

It's only a color claim...

[tanstalas]

Right now there's no conclusive evidence as to I am scum whereas there is solid evidence that Tans is Yellow scum with MOI.

Except the fact that MoI is confirmed blue now, blows your theory out of the water doesn't it? Or are you going to say he randomly guessed that 2043FF was the correct color code for blue?

[tanstalas]

Since Magna has reading comprehension issues today...

VOTE: Vote: Starbuck

[tanstalas]

Since Magna has reading comprehension issues today...

VOTE: Vote: Starbuck

Yes, because Stephoscope hasn't been dead since N2 also

And it's not like KK didn't cover that already anyway. Thanks for being 'useful' tans.

I was referring to the point Andy asked us to vote a PR and you voted a VT (he was a VT right - on phone and slow to check)

Anyhow you only failed at reading today, its a daily thing for me

[tanstalas]

VOTE: Unvote

[tanstalas]

Kdub - how am I confirmed scum? Andy said he did something but it didn't go through - he even said he may have been role blocked. Since we have not seen an RB flip I would say it is pretty safe to say one is in the game. If you are so sure I am scum then put a vote on me.

[tanstalas]

Also, I think we should lynch Tans.

I agree. I think you and Kdub need to shit or get off the pot and vote for me. I'm pretty sure I am dead tonight as the scum groups know I am not on their team so there are 3 things that can happen today:

1)Lynch me, which results in a no - lynch and we go to night (PRO:No townies die, CON:No scum or black lanterns die)
2)Lynch NPIAU who might be SK (PRO:We take out SK and we have 1 less kill tonight, CON:He actually is green)
3)Lynch Kagelord who I think may be Recruiter, dunno (PRO:If Recruiter we take him out, CON: might be green - lol doubt it very much, will explain later)
4)Lynch MOI (PRO:Take out a yellow scum, CON:Still have a possible 4 kills tonight if he isn't yellow)

Upon thinking, I think NPIAU may actually be Green, he has an abilty that makes him basically immune to night kills and I have one that makes me immune to DK's - we are kind of like two peas in the same pod. If he was an even day vig I'd say we were one person split in half, though I am sure he would have said if he was an even day vig.

Anyhow, even if MoI and I were yellow scum it would NOT do us any good, there will still be at least a possible 3 kills tonight (red, yellow SK) plus another recruit for black. You can see where I am going with this. We NEED to take out SK, Red scum or Recruiter TODAY.

If we have 6 town and 5 "other" (SK, Red, Yellow, Yellow, Black) we as town are FUCKED without taking out SK, Red or recruiter we will have at least another possible 3 deaths - and if they all hit town we will be at 3/5 IF black doesnt take another townie in which case it will be 2/6.

If you think I am yellow and you are TOWN and are saying you should vote for me you need to re-evaluate. Yellow is NOT the threat. Red, SK or Recruiter is the threat. If we do not hit one of those 3 today I think we may be screwed.

[tanstalas]

LOL, Stove, if you weren't cleared by Starbuck before she died... lol

Seriously, you vote for me, when asked what color you think I will flip you said you don't care what color... Gotta ask you, are you fucking retarded? Did you even read my post? If you think I am yellow you should not be voting me. RED, ORANGE, BLACK. That is what you should be concentrating on.

[tanstalas]

@Tanstalas - maybe you answered this before, but I forget - do you have INFINITE protection against day lynches or is it just one shot?

Infinite. As long as it is day I am invulnerable.

Tans

- Why badger players who suspect you to vote for you and immediately call those votes into question as poorly reasoned? Did you think that somehow that would serve some sort of scum-hunting purpose?

Because it is poorly reasoned, he is voting for me based on that he just thinks I am scum and not caring about the color of scum I supposedly am. If I was yellow, lynching me would be a waste because there will still be at least 3 kills tonight and could take town numbers way down.

Can you elaborate on your KageLord = Black recruiter theory?

Whoops, I meant Kast and just basically the reason why was the whole 'hai guys I started out as blue but I'm green now' and well, we have quite a few greens already. I could see there being more green than other corps, but this is just whacky. (though looking at it later other people said this could make sense flavor wise)

LOL reading further he claims JoaT? lulz, and a doc.. why not protect Vi or Andy N1?

Oh nvm, he explains his reasoning..

OK just got caught up and I agree with MoI about there being a slim chance of a hider and a bulletproof townie, I think one (or both) of them is lying.

I think we should take BR (Kast) or SK (NPIAU is a good suspect for that or even MoI) with his bullet-proofiness claim would make excellent choices

I am on board with any of the above three lynches

[tanstalas]

Magna not being dead makes me think Magna LOL CHECK OUT THAT WIOFM.

It so nice of you to take on the character of your color (Red being mindless rage, with a highlight on the mindless part)!

But it looks like you are getting a pass from the rope today, obv-Red Lantern.

BTW, where's your response to where I dissected your scumtastic attack earlier? Oh that's right it's nowhere, just like any other time anyone calls you on your scum play. Because you don't have one. Lulz.

I like how you are so obsessed with making me RED because you are RED and you need that read to go away.

I'll be the one LULZING later when you flip RED.

And I don't know where your attack is, but I have some free time now so if you link me to it I'd respond.

Why do you think he is red when everyone else thinks he is yellow?

[tanstalas]

I'd recommend against vigging me if you have the ability. It would be a wasted shot, the scum will probably take me out tonight as they wouldn't want to be vigged tomorrow night by me. Take out a suspected scum (not me) tonight if you have a shot. Tomorrow if I am still alive I will have my vig shot and can take out someone, I'll even let you pick, Kdub

[tanstalas]

The scum (that is, the other scum that aren't on your team) won't touch you. If you somehow survive the night, you are definitely tomorrow's lynch.

Fail logic is fail

[tanstalas]

Prod received. I have nothing new to say at this point. You either believe me when I say I am green and I can't be lynched or you don't. If you think I am yellow you shouldn't be voting for me since a red, black or orange lynch would be the optimal choice. I agree with the statement that lynching any scum is usually good play, however in the situation that town find themselves in now - not taking out a kill tonight would not be good. KK summed up the case for me nicely in 1793.

[tanstalas]

@Andrius - Except I vigged Dram. I'd be a pretty shitty teammate to vig my own red brother. And others brought up the whole Gud vs Tan thing as a reason I am not red as well (though you could say he was bussing I suppose) however the killing Dram thing kinda blows your Tans is red theory out of the water.

Though I was leaning AGM red as well, so I think your list is pretty accurate. NPIAU/Orange, MoI/Yellow, Kast/Black, Kagelord/Yellow, AGM/Red.

1)Lynch Red, Orange or Black
2)????
3)Profit

[tanstalas]

LOL @ this scum driven wagon at least 3 of you are scum. NPIAU, MoI and AGM

I really do not even see why we are contemplating lynching me.

If I am lying I would die and flip scum
If I am telling the truth we waste a cruicial lynch and then I die tonight

Either way I will not see the day tomorrow. NPIAU is the far better lynch IMO, I think most of us can agree he is most likely the SK. Take him out now before he gets the chance to kill tonight. Or AGM to remove the red scum kill. Or Kast to remove black (though I am less certain of Kast than NPIAU or AGM)

VOTE: NPIAU

[tanstalas]

Are you purposefully ignoring the repeated point Andy has made that his results indicate you are scum?

Are you purposefully ignoring the repeated point Andy has made that his results indicate I am scum unless he was RB'd?

[tanstalas]

Lulz, what is with scum claiming left and right this game? It's lulzy, and he is the last red, so isn't that playing against his wincon?

So, MoI for SK is my guess if NPIAU isn't. The only game I have played with a SK was un-NK-able (i think? - SSBB) is that common trait for an SK to have?

[tanstalas]

@KK you could direct the NK coming my way tonight to Kast... just sayin'

@Andy No, I'll wait until I am at L-1... AGAIN *grumble*

I like how when you point out the fact that I am dead anyways tonight and we should lynch NPIAU instead everyone agrees with you, when I say it everyone ignores me. When you see my flip tomorrow you will cry, because you lost your vig shot for N5 - I'm coming home Green brothers, save me a seat!

[tanstalas]

Hey tanny, its because I'm ovtown and you're not.

Sure, I can agree with that, but it's simple logic that people can't seem to even understand..

Baaaaa

[tanstalas]

HAHAHAHAH SCREW you scum!!!

OK, I have a 1-shot NK-immune and 1 shot DK-immune. I think I used my NK immune last night due to there being only 2 kills. I still have my 1 DK immune up, and I have a NK tonight, so tell me who to shoot Andy.

[tanstalas]

Andy. You confuse me.

I had 1 NK and 1 DK immune shot. I didn't want to say anything about my NK immunity because I was hoping to draw a NK.. or 2.. The fact there was only 2 NK's when we have seen AT THE MINIMUM 3 NK's I would say I absorbed one of those NK's tonight. I hope you understand why I did not say I had a 1-shot NK immunity now. I was hoping to draw a kill, and I did.

We are both pretty similar to thinking who is scum. I say we lynch Kagelord and I shoot MoI tonight. Thoughts? Discuss.

[tanstalas]

Oh. Sorry Andy, I see what you mean. When I say DK, it means I can't die during the day (IE: Lynch) and I still have that. I can now die during night because my NK got used up during the night (I assume - I didn't get a PM from the mods saying it was used up but since only 2 kills... I assume it was)

[tanstalas]

PRO's for lynching me today: None - I can't be lynched

So..

Let's move on to 'people we need to see dead'

MoI, Kagelord and Kast

Lynch one of them today, I will put a bullet in the others head. And *drumroll* town wins

VOTE: MoI (since he says he is bulletproof - lynch him today and I'll down kagelord tonight)

Though we still have the Black Recruiter, but at this point I think he is probably flying solo. Masons could only recruit odd nights so they can probably only recruit even nights. I think we got this game in the bag, Andy and Kdub are obv town. I am probably considered scum but whatever, follow me and we kill the last yellow and orange (Kagelord and MoI). Black is probably Kast.

I will make this easy for you Andy.

Since you Don;t believe I am town, you direct my shot tonight. If it is anything other that what you said, I die tomorrow. Easy enough? Lets clean house!

1- yellow
1 - orange
1 - black

Lynch MoI (take out yellow)
Tell me who to kill tonight (Kast? yes?)
Lynch Kagelord tomorrow.

Town = win

[tanstalas]

Andy: There are enough people that my one vote won't be the cause of a mislynch, but if it makes you feel better:

VOTE: Unvote

MoI should be our target for the day

@KK did you target anyone with your ability last night? and if so from who, to who?

[tanstalas]

LULZ

Guess he re-directed to himself? heh

[tanstalas]

He was operative, but turned black.. dont know when that happened but whatever, maybe I am overthinking...

8 left alive.
1 Yellow
1 Orange
1 Black

5 townies
Kdub
Andy
Myself
..

I was iffy on The Stove and Dekes, but the numbers add up now

Lynch one of the people we think is scum - Yellow, Orange or Black, I'll shoot the other one (the other being not MoI if we don't lynch MoI) if I don't shoot who we agree upon we lynch me tomorrow? I'm sure by tomorrow we will have won or there will be 1 scum left.

Andy - Thoughts?

[tanstalas]

tans, KK was operative. VT.
what you talking 'bout bro?

Trying to figure out why he lied...

Instead of saying he was VT he made up an elaborate "Black can't recruit me" ..

I need to re-read from D4 onwards

[tanstalas]

This is why you don't play drunk...

This is the second time I was confused with

KA

st and

KA

gelord

/sigh

[tanstalas]

Bleh

VOTE: Tanstalas

I think we have enough people that a no-lynch today won't cause an issue. I can see lynching me might be a concern. So lets just do it now, go to night, I'll kill a scumbag and probably also die, then you guys can win/finish it up tomorrow. Sound good?

[tanstalas]

NO.
WE ARE NOT NO LYNCHING JUST BECAUSE I CALLED YOU NEAR-SCUM.

THANKS FOR FLAILING.
*sigh*

Goddamn though.

Listen.

5 townies
3 scum

We lynch me - we go to night - I am still alive - I kill Kast or Kagelord

Tomorrow we have at the minimum 2 townies and 2 scum (yellow and orange)

Oh.. shit...

Nevermind

VOTE: Unvote

OK - we need to get this vote right today

[tanstalas]

Yeah, no kidding there, eh? We're the KKK!

Kast, Kdub, Katsuki, Kagelord, Kublai Khan...

Heck, all we're missing is KaleiÐoscøpe.

Oh hey wow.
Thanks for mod-confirming all the K--- players as scum, RC.

Uhhh.. Isn't Kdub confirmed town via Andy?

(still drunk)

[tanstalas]

I've already told you who I think is scum. Dekes may be scum based on past play with him, he just seems 'off' to me, more of a gut feeling.

I think we lynch MoI and you can direct my kill tonight and if I am lying we can lynch me tomorrow (depending on circumstance/who dies tonight) I think there is a good chance we can win this. A smart lynch/NK and we have 1 scum tomorrow to lynch.

[tanstalas]

Lulz. Except I have already claimed what I am >.>

You just fail to believe it

[tanstalas]

And I was saying you could direct my kill from D4 until today

Like I said, I had a 1 shot NK and DK immunity, I just wanted to try and draw a bunch of kills last night, which I did, I think. If you look at every night there were 3-4 kills, last night there were 2. I did my part, I soaked up some NK's at a crucial time.

P-edit: sigh you want to go again with the "if I was roleblocked" If I was a scum RB'er do you think I would say 'yes andy I RB'd you' - no. Come on Andy, you are smarter than this. All these roles and we havem't seen a RB'er yet? You don't think there is one? Whatever. We lynch someone, I let you pick a person to die tonight - if that person doesn't die you lynch me tomorrow (if I was scum I would be the LAST person in my team - a lynch today or tomorrow would be game over for me) If I do not NK who you say to NK then I am scum and I die. I do put a bullet in their head.. well, I know that really doesn't prove I am town, but you are still 1 kill ahead

[tanstalas]

Correct, Andy.

And seeing I'm almost fullclaimed now. I protected Starbuck N2 and she died. Discuss.

Orange gets thru a doc protect?

Assuming you just claimed doc Dekes?

[tanstalas]

Tans, you're near-confirmed scum. Deal with it.
FUCK. Dekes was RB'd? I was thinking Red Strongman, but that's out, so.

wait, wait wait???

WHAT???

You just admitted that the 'doc' may have been RB'd and you are still calling me confirmed scum?

I hate you right now Andy. No <3 for you

What have I been saying!!! Seriously, I hate you Andy. I have said there could be a RB, now that you say there might be one, I am still confirmed scum.. whatever

I have told you what I think is the best choice of action, if you think I am scum or not.

Lynch MoI or (Kagelord/Kast) - You can direct my shot tonight (if it is on MoI it will probably fail so don't ask me to kill him well you can, but if it fails just remember he claimed BP)

If I don't shoot the target you said feel free to lynch me tomorrow.

[tanstalas]

OH TANNY.
However do you know so much about Orange?

Seriously. Claim scum or shut up. For now.

I don't.. he said how could Starbuck die when he was protecting.. I GUESSED SK could get thru a protect.. dunno, never even thought about a RB because you were the one who was "OH HEY GAIZ TANS IZ SCUMZORZ BECAUSE I DID SOMETHING THAT SAIZ HE IZ SCUM UNLESS I GOT ROLEBLOCKED"

And now you are saying there may be a RB'er..

So yeah..

[tanstalas]

tanstalas, who attempts a kill that night and realizes that there is a lack of kills CHANGES HIS CLAIM to match the lack of kills out there.

And how did I change my claim?

Seriously Andy, you are grasping at straws now. I am pretty sure you are town, but you are totally screwed right now if this is what you think happened. I said I was odd-night vig.. last night was N4 FOUR DIVIDES INTO @ WHICH IS AN EVEN NUMBER... seriously *sigh*

Please think about what you are going to say next.

[tanstalas]

err, 4 divides into 2... not @...

I need to work on my CAPSLAWKALLIANCE

[tanstalas]

You went from "im unlynchable period" to "im oneshot bulletproof and oneshot lynchproof" overnight. That must be a really cool role to be able to mutate each night as you are in deeper and deeper suspicion. MoI, you agree? xD

As I explained earlier when the day started I said what I really was. I drew some kills so I am happy. My PM says I am a daxamite like superman and I can absorb a kill from a day kill and a night kill

I'm operating under the pretenser you are the SK, tans. Not the odd-night vig. As SK you wouldn't kill last night for that reason; or at least pass off a failed kill attempt as a "oh i cant shoot even nights" dealio.

You're not IN the caps lock alliance.

If I was the SK, what reason would I have not to kill last night Andy?

TANS YOU JUST SAID ORANGE CAN SHOOT THROUGH A DOC PROTECTION SO THERE IS NO RB REMEMBER?

No, I was throwing out plausible scenarios, hence the ?

Correct, Andy.

And seeing I'm almost fullclaimed now. I protected Starbuck N2 and she died. Discuss.

Orange gets thru a doc protect?

I guess the only thing I am hoping for now then since you are so sure is Dekes to say he protected someone else and they died as well

[tanstalas]

Your logic (or lack thereof) is lulzy to say the least.

Lynch Kagelord or Kast, don't try to lynch me, it will result in a no-lynch. You think I am lying that's fine try and lynch me tomorrow then after kagelord and kast are dead.

Best option Lynch one of them. Let me shoot the other tonight that will take out 2 probable scum. If game isn't over tomorrow feel free to try and lynch me.

Even if I am scum does it matter if I die today or tomorrow? No. I am offering my services to the town - I will shoot who you want me to shoot.

PROS: Town gets a NK tonight and takes out Kast or Kagelord
CONS: I could be lying and kill a townie.

Either way if I was scum and got lynched, kast and kagelord would still be alive tonight and will kill (or recruit) someone else. Which would/could result in 2 less townies. With me yes you are taking a chance that I am not lying, but regardless even if I was the net loss is the same. With you not lynching me and instead lynching Kast or Kagelord it gives me the chance to kill another scum before I die.

Basically what I am saying is town has nothing to lose by not lynching me today (or trying anyhow) and everything to gain. However I expect noone to listen to me even though this is the most logical action unless Andy parrots me and you all sheep him again.

[tanstalas]

Bleh. whatever, you say flailing scum, I say this game is starting to remind me of Kdub's Castlevania game >.>

Had an awesome role there as well and no one believed me either. Oh and they also used the word 'flailing' a lot in that game as well

[tanstalas]

I see where you are coming from and that could work as well. I am just thinking wost case scenerio

OJ kills a town tonight
Yellow kills another town tonight
Black recruits a town

Whereas if we take out Kast or Kagelord today via lynch we will lose at the most 2 townies tonight.

Here is another idea for you Andy. Lynch Kast or Kagelord today, I'll shoot the other one, you shoot me. That should win game for town, if not then you don't have to worry about me anymore anyhow and you can get on with finding the remaining scum.

[tanstalas]

Which part of my lynch Kast/Kagelord shoot the other and shoot me part of my plan do you not approve of?

[tanstalas]

@Andy - not sure who the 3rd scum is. Was thinking perhaps "The Stove" he was cleared based on N1, maybe he became black later?

Anyhow, going to propose one last thing and I doubt anyone will listen but worth a shot

1)Lynch Kagelord
2)I shoot Kast
3)Kast shoots me

This will take care of ALL THREE of yous suspects tonight. If I don't die tonight you know Kast is scum and he gets rope tomorrow, if Kast doesn't die you know I am scum and get rope. Tomorrow the game will still be going on if there are 3 scum left (if black recruiter does actually exist)

The way it's going now, we are going to no lynch today. I will shoot Kast, kast if he is telling the truth will shoot someone and blue will shoot someone. Next day I think you guys will try to lynch me again and I will die from that lynch and I think town will have a damn good chance to lose if it goes to N6.

My plan makes the most sense, IMO.

[tanstalas]

EBWOP: I switched Kagelord and Kast again

I mean Lynch Kast and Kagelord shoots me, and I shoot him

[tanstalas]

You make baby jesus cry with your vote Andy

Oh well, tried to warn you. Bring on night!

[tanstalas]

I'm not yellow

[tanstalas]

Every faction in there was like "DUDE! MY FACTION HAS NO CHANCE TO WIN!" except tanstalas. lmao

I'm still kinda sad that I didn't have any SK ability's (aside from the killing thing) I think I should have had MoI's bulletproofiness (not that it would have saved me in the end...) - ...might be a little biased >.>

I was right on tans scum though. And reck found the entire red team. (I agreed with his reads completely, wish my team picked up on it).

You always call me scum in EVERY game we are in together, law of averages, you are bound to get one right >.>

By the way, I just want to point out that I called all of red scum plus tans-SK on D1.

I don't think you called me SK? I think you called me scum, but in a later post my name was dropped, you were like a bunch of people, a bunch of people + tans then a bunch of people sans tans I may be wrong, too lazy to go re-read

I'd like the record to show I sent in two Town colors (Green and Blue) wanting to bask in Town glory.

I told you guys I sent in the same colors I always sprinkle my lies with the truth

[tanstalas]

What? Janitor was bulletproof too?

*grumbles*

[tanstalas]

If he wasn't BP he would have been dead N1. I was also contemplating shooting him my last night alive, but the BP claim gave me pause. Personally, I do think black was too powerful, you saying that you had to give him BPiness otherwise he would have been dead N1 is lulzy. Like you guys keep saying, it was all chance - could have gone any way, if that kill wouldn't have been redirected to him he wouldn't have died, if he wasn't BP he would have died N1

If
If
If

Black was OP, I think odd-night recruitment would have been better or if they could recruit every night then town should have been made aware of the cult at the start

anyhow, thats my $0.02

[tanstalas]

SensFan tries to <kill> xRECKONERx but is redirected to MagnaofIllusion. - MAGNA IS BULLETPROOF, NO EFFECT.

HELLO?!??
NON-BULLETPROOF MOI WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD, GUYS.
DID YOU MISS THIS?

Did you miss where we already talked about this?

[tanstalas]

But he never recruited scum, Benmage.

MagnaofIllusion <recruits> Kast - ACTION FAILS, NO EFFECT

N1 MoI would have been dead if recruiting scum killed him, as well, if he wasn't BP

[tanstalas]

I just don't see why RC can't just admit he screwed up.

I just don't see why Gandalf continues to troll in a game he wasn't even in