Food Fight Mafia - WHO OWNS THE SCHOOL???

[Battle Mage]

Propel Cornish Pasty at Skitzer

getting caught up in the vibe, man.

[Battle Mage]

Why are we going after Shadow (or anyone else for that mater) anyways?

Because it's fun to throw things at him.

But seriously, how else are we going to get the game started? It's a bit like a random vote stage at the start of the game, only we have limited votes per day, so it will be slightly shorter.

oh, so our food respawns every day?
thats a relief. I dont know how we would ever get the game over otherwise...

[Battle Mage]

Tar your ass is tempting me

qft

[Battle Mage]

^this made me lol.

[Battle Mage]

^this made me lol.

this post was in response to the comment by Gorrad.

[Battle Mage]

Maybe the way it's used effects the amount of damage. Here, this is a test, and refects nothing upon personal FoSs. Please, no one pelt these people until the damage is listed:

Squish gummy bear in Battlemage's hair.

Flick gummy bear at Blight's shirt.

ffs. never heard of pming the Mod?
I did that earlier, and the action verbs are purely for the purposes of fun.

Vote: Gorrad

[Battle Mage]

oh and

throw Prune at Gorrad

[Battle Mage]

There's no voting in this game people

you fail at reading?
AI PRUNE J00!

Detonate Prune in direction of Waar

[Battle Mage]

I don't understand why people are voting =/

Isn't there... no voting?

This game is like Kingmaker - there's no official voting, but voting can be good for the town all the same.

The "Hup! Two! Three! Four!" Unofficial Vote Count:

Pickemgenius (1) - Tarhalindur
Gorrad (1) - Battle Mage

I think this sort of thing will be helpful, since we all have a limited amount of "votes" (and who made these votes against whom is not listed either), so I think an Unofficial Vote List, like the one Kingmaker games use, is a way of keeping tally of who's voting whom, without wasting our limited amount of food we can throw. Some people with not much food to throw (me included), can find it impossible to make their "votes" count against people in the later stages of a day, particularly in a long one.

Vote: Support Unofficial Vote Count

Who's with me?

i'm in. Now join the Gorrad wagon already. lol

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Support Unofficial Vote Count

i'm in. Now join the Gorrad wagon already. lol

This better not be some kind of pyramid scheme...



P.S. BM, your female?, this isn't related to the game at all but until now I always thought you were male for some reason.

no, i'm a bloke. lol
It was a running joke in another game and i havent bothered to change the icon back yet. But yes i am male, and no i wont throw anything at you. this time.

[Battle Mage]

pulsewidth, thanks for letting me try that. You may throw one thing at me during the course of the game without me getting mad.

So, am I correct when I say that people are weak to different things?

i think that appears to be the case.

[Battle Mage]

i'm in. Now join the Gorrad wagon already. lol

Oh yeah, mindless bandwagoning. I'm sure that that is the ONLY way to win a food fight. No strategy should be used in a battle, as it will lead the town to failure 100% of the time. [/sarcasm]

Seriously, this is the closest thing to a scumtell I've seen this game so far. I'm going to

Unofficial Vote: Battle Mage

, I think the system is a good asset in this game. The time for random votes is over, and we have a good idea of the mechanics. Let's buckle down and start working. There is nothing to be gained at this point from a bandwagon on ANYONE at this point, except for an understanding of what kind of night actions we're going to have, and that's certainly not worth the lack of discussion/scumhunting.

BM, please explain yourself

There is nothing of mine which requires explanation. You act scummy, i show my suspicion of you. Its as simple as that. Its not as if votes matter 1 jot in this game, which begs the question, WHY ARE YOU SO SCARED BY MY 1 VOTE? how can you call it 'mindless bandwagonning' when it literally does nothing?
If it wasn't slightly hypocritical, i'd disregard your vote as pure and utter OMGUS, but as it goes, we seem to be in a kind of escalating CHAIN OF OMGUS atm. lol
Still, i dont think you are behaving in a protown way, and merely retalation voting for me with zero reasoning is not good enough.

BM

[Battle Mage]

GAH! ONIONS! Getemoffgetemoffgetemofff......phew, that's over. BM, it's not that I'm worried by your vote, I'm worried by the bandwagon aspect. I really dislike bandwagoning, and find it scummy as hell. If you had voted for me and NOT called it a wagon, I'd be fine. Heck, even in a game of no real votes, the idea of a wagon is a bad one, and I would have reacted the same way even if the wagon was on someone else. Feel free to vote however the heck you like, just don't frikkin' bandwagon!

If you repeat that something is a scumtell it doesnt make it so. If votes dont count, a high number of votes is not a bad thing-bandwagon or not. Only food throwing counts for anything.
I dont like the way you simply imply that bandwagon=bad, as if townies never go along with others if the logic is there.

But can we please stop calling the votes 'unofficial'. It confuses me, because when i see the word 'un' in front of a vote, i tend to think it is the opposite of what it actually is here. We know that votes dont count.

FoS: Skitzer

Do you really think it is impossible for 2 townies to disagree with each other?

[Battle Mage]

Guys, stop throwing food NOW.

In case you hadn't noticed (I hadn't until just now), DGB's comments in the signup threads make it pretty clear that this game has a permavote mechanic. Unless I am very much mistaken, not only can we not take back thrown food,

thrown food is not removed at night

. In other words, Skruffs will have at least 10% damage on him FOR THE REST OF THE GAME.

The next person to disregard this warning is helping the scum and needs to die. Understood?

I think this goes against the spirit of the game, and I refuse to go along with it. Any attempt to "lead" the town toward lynches in this manner seems scummy to me.

Flick Peas at Tarhalindur

.

Its the same as taking notes and noticing the scummy things people say and keeping a count of how scummy you think someone is. You've got your mini-foods to show FoS's, and for full on Votes you've got your big food. If someone is tossing their big food around, mayhaps they would be suspicious - but it would take 100 (I'm guessing) small foods to lynch someone. 100 FOS's is a lot.

I was mistaken about the game mechanics, but this post is scummy as all hell even after my mistake is taken into account.

I don't care about the "spirit of the game". I want the town to win the game, and as far as I can tell, playing in what you claim is the "spirit of the game" is a ticket to a easy scum victory.

Given what I know, I believe that if we use our food in order to show minor suspicions, then there is a strong possibility that we will either be forced to lynch a player that we don't want to lynch due to a shortage of food (or find ourselves unable to lynch at all) or unwittingly lynch a player with a low lynch threshold. Either one of these outcomes is bad for the town.

Your belief that we should show suspicions by throwing food is noteworthy. Your decision to attack me simply because I do not share your views is a scumtell, as is the tone in which you do so.

Vote: Yamahako

Wow, way to go Mr Defensive. Didn't even stop to look whether the food getting thrown at you was REAL!?

Vote: Tarhalindur

[Battle Mage]

I don't care about the "spirit of the game". I want the town to win the game, and as far as I can tell, playing in what you claim is the "spirit of the game" is a ticket to a easy scum victory.

Bah, what's the fun of a

food fight mafia

, if you are going to ignore the mechanics. Enjoying the game > winning or losing imo. Though that doesn't mean I don't want town to win.

Given what I know, I believe that if we use our food in order to show minor suspicions, then there is a strong possibility that we will either be forced to lynch a player that we don't want to lynch due to a shortage of food (or find ourselves unable to lynch at all) or unwittingly lynch a player with a low lynch threshold. Either one of these outcomes is bad for the town.

Well, you've already shown that what you know has been historically wrong in this game so far. I couldn't imagine running out of food for a day. I may have been foolish in assuming everyone has 100 of their minor food item (and thus the idea of not being able to complete a lynch was lunacy), but at least SOME people have 100 of a food item (me) and even at the least amount of "damage" that might be enough to kill someone (or my weak food has no power...).

Your belief that we should show suspicions by throwing food is noteworthy. Your decision to attack me simply because I do not share your views is a scumtell, as is the tone in which you do so.

I didn't attack you simply because you do not share my views, I attacked you because I think what you're doing is scummy. I said as much in my response. I think its scummy because you're trying to lead the town to act in a specific way that isn't necessarily in their favor. You are basically trying to "control" the game, with the unofficial vote counts and ultimatums. This type of behavior says scum to me in this instance.

As of yet I haven't actually noticed any real effect from my food though, and you see as likely a person to test it out on:

Flick peas at Tarhalindur

Spoon catapult peas at Tarhalindur

Wet Willy a pea into Tarhalindur's ear

Force peas up Tarhalindur's nose

Grenade toss peas at Tarhalindur

Testing > Assumptions. More fun too

Yeh, a good aspect of this game is testing for reactions. Like with MAD, you dont know the consequences of someones action immediately, and you can potentiall trap scum. I think Tar got caught with his pants down.

[Battle Mage]

Wow, way to go Mr Defensive. Didn't even stop to look whether the food getting thrown at you was REAL!?

Call me dense, but I have no idea what this is supposed to be referring to.

Disliking Gorrad for alternating between "let's test this" and "nobody throw anything" for the early portion of the game. Also don't like Waar's lack of contribution to this point. We could use a post or two from TSS as well - I'm not throwing anything yet either, but I feel I have at least some responsibility to make the occasional post.

OMFG. Pay attention please!
Call me the dumbest f*er in the world, but i get the strong impression that THE FOOD YAMAHAKO IS 'THROWING' IS

NOT REAL

. He's testing for reactions, which i've been doing myself, and it is NOT scummy.

HoS: Blight and Jdodge

for opportunism.

BM

[Battle Mage]

EBWOP: I see Yamahako did claim what his peas do-apparently he has 100 of them, so they do cause some damage-just such an infinitely small amount that even 10 will probably not be enough to show up on the graph. The rest of my comment still stands though.

BM

[Battle Mage]

P.S. BM your post 181 I think is BS. We have no idea what foods people do or do not have. If someone steps out of line and starts pelting what appears to be a player chosen at random the town is going to act back with a vengeance.

Now you see, i'd say THIS ^ post is BS. I'm going to refer you to MAD Mafia once again, because the concept is the same. Not all food thrown is real, and due to the nature of the game, the only way to find out for sure, is to wait and see. Its players who get edgy and OMGUSsy at the first sign of getting targetted who we ought to be on the lookout for.

If you don't see the current pressure on Yamahako as inherently scummy itself, i am truly astounded.

If i see any more people hopping on the BW sneakily, i will be throwing something big.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote Lowell.

Vote BM

Vote Yamahako

Vote Skitzer

I always wanted to multiple vote in the same post!

Sayonara!

wow. The only bad thing now is that you have to provide 4 times as much validation for those votes. :p

GOOD LUCK!

[Battle Mage]

I think the votes are self explainable.

Think

what you may have done which would have caused me to vote you. Clearly, this is not as hard as playing shogi.

I actually can't say. Nor would i say even if i did know, because that would allow you to throw suspicion around without doing any of the work yourself. So please, drop the lazy gene, and tell us what you're thinking.

[Battle Mage]

I think the votes are self explainable.

Think

what you may have done which would have caused me to vote you. Clearly, this is not as hard as playing shogi.

I actually can't say. Nor would i say even if i did know, because that would allow you to throw suspicion around without doing any of the work yourself. So please, drop the lazy gene, and tell us what you're thinking.

Good Posting!

QFT. Posting without giving reasons just gives room for misinterpretations. We don't need any of that here.

I feel like a lemming here, but I am also loving BM's statement.

oh what it is to be appreciated...

[Battle Mage]

Propel Prune at Sir Tornado

believe me, if i wasn't worried about you being a Jester, this would be something alot harder.

Please elaborate if you wish to avoid further mess.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Since you are so desperate for me to elaborate, I won't.

*hits BM with a Bokken* (this is not a "food fight action, btw)

I dont want you to elaborate on your alleged PR. That is fairly obvious. What i am curious about, are your totally inexplicable votes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Since you are so desperate for me to elaborate, I won't.

*hits BM with a Bokken* (this is not a "food fight action, btw)

I dont want you to elaborate on your alleged PR. That is fairly obvious. What i am curious about, are your totally inexplicable votes.

BM

Doesn't the fact that I do not explain my votes add a bit of excitement to the game?

yes it does. unfortunately my scum sense tingles when i see players spread suspicion, then backtrack, and as i care about winning this game, it'd be awful nice if you explained your logic, so i don't have to pelt you with bagels.

BM

[Battle Mage]

yes it does. unfortunately my scum sense tingles when i see players spread suspicion, then backtrack, and as i care about winning this game, it'd be awful nice if you explained your logic, so i don't have to pelt you with bagels.

Am I backtracking?

*hits BM with a bokken once again*

FYI: Bokken = Japanese wooden sword.

ffs. does your PR stop you from answering questions?

[Battle Mage]

I don't have a PR, and the only role my food seems to fit is an incontinent German. lol

[Battle Mage]

^good posting.

when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of YOU and I.

[Battle Mage]

^good posting.

when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of YOU and I.

U and ME...

it was a joke, with the intention of taking the piss out of the English language. Looks like i succeeded. :p

[Battle Mage]

Correction, BM, YOU and ME.

Other wise, you have ASSUI, and that is some weird tribe in Soth America.

omg, see the post below yours plz.

[Battle Mage]

Well, that's not stictly true is it? If Pulse was faking a PR, if you didn't continue with it, it would look really odd and would probably get you lynched, so you'd obviously continue with it.

Yes. But the thing is, only by reading Pulsewidth's posts, I had no idea it would be one word in Japanese per post PR, due to my horrible knowledge about languages.

PS: Explain your votes Sir T, or I'll add one to your tally.

You are welcome to do so.

I'm getting all kinds of Jester-vibes from this.

[Battle Mage]

i think it might be wise to stop throwing food at Sir T for now. He's certainly not town, but he could easily be a Jester, or scum with a PR.
Its probably best if we simply ignore him for now.

[Battle Mage]

i think it might be wise to stop throwing food at Sir T for now. He's certainly not town, but he could easily be a Jester, or scum with a PR.
Its probably best if we simply ignore him for now.

Pardon? Why should we simply ignore him if he could easily be scum, something you said is possible in your post?

i'm getting blatant Jester vibes from him, and unsurprisingly, i'm pretty reluctant to go against my gut and get humiliated by Sir T. :p
By 'ignore him' i mean ignore his voting patterns, and comments, because they aren't helping atall, and for my part, they are very distracting. Now, he could well be scum, and could be the play today, but i think we should look in other directions aswell, as we aren't deadlined.

BM

[Battle Mage]

This might be taken the wrong way, but... A jester?

I don't see how a jester would be equivalent in this game. Jesters win by getting lynched. Therefore a jester will almost certainly win in such a situation as this, where the only mechanic (that we know of) for eliminating players is by throwing food at them.

Bm, why are you assuming someone is more likely a jester than whateverthe name of the scumgroup is? I guess I am saying that someone would only think that there might be jesters if they knew about some sort of way to eliminate players other than lynching.

I'm basically saying I think you just botched up.

Are you saying that you think there might not be Night Kills in this game?

good call Jordan. Second this question, and ask another:

If you dont think Sir T is a Jester, why have you not cast your food at him?
I'm getting defensive scumbuddy vibes here.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^exactly. analysis of Sir T from Skruffs would be appreciated.

[Battle Mage]

^exactly. analysis of Sir T from Skruffs would be appreciated.

No, by that, I meant that Skruffs didn't say he was suspicious of Sir T, so why did you ask him why he didn't throw any food at him?

Well Skruffs is arguing the point that Sir T is unlikely to be a Jester, hence i was asking Skruffs what he thought of Sir T's behaviour, in the hope that i could get a different perspective on it.

[Battle Mage]

This might be taken the wrong way, but... A jester?

I don't see how a jester would be equivalent in this game. Jesters win by getting lynched. Therefore a jester will almost certainly win in such a situation as this, where the only mechanic (that we know of) for eliminating players is by throwing food at them.

Bm, why are you assuming someone is more likely a jester than whateverthe name of the scumgroup is? I guess I am saying that someone would only think that there might be jesters if they knew about some sort of way to eliminate players other than lynching.

I'm basically saying I think you just botched up.

Are you saying that you think there might not be Night Kills in this game?

good call Jordan. Second this question, and ask another:

If you dont think Sir T is a Jester, why have you not cast your food at him?
I'm getting defensive scumbuddy vibes here.

BM

This post is ridiculous.

You were first claiming that I am a jester. Then, Skruffs writes a post saying how I cannot be a jester, after which you accuse him of being my scumbuddy?

Does anyone even get what BM-sans is trying to say here?

A simple 3 step questionaire might help you convey your thoughts better

:arrow: Am I a Jester or not?
:arrow: Do Jesters have scumbuddies? If they do not, who has scumbuddies?
:arrow: Can a person be a scum and a jester at once?

wow, a triple post from Sir T, and i'm struggling to find something that is actually worth my time responding to. I'll choose this post.

Let me try and clarify this for everyone:
I think Sir T could be a Jester.
I am positive that he is either Jester or Mafia.
Skruffs came in and explained why he didn't think Jester was a viable option.
As such, i am wondering what alternative he can see, other than scum, and excluding the possibility that he thinks Sir T is just immensely unhelpful town, i am curious as to why he hasn't upped the pressure, as would reflect his alleged beliefs.

Hell, maybe Yamahako is right, and i'm not making sense. The problem is, from where i am sitting, my comments are completely logical. I think i might need to take a break from this game, but first, i'd like to hear from Skruffs.

BM

[Battle Mage]

wow, your play is confusing me. I mean, who lists things in alphabetical order for no apparent reason?
I didn't say we shouldn't lynch Sir T. I said that we shouldn't lynch him YET. I'm surprised at you being someone in favour of cutting discussion short.

I'm gonna make this very simply for you Skruffs. In your next post, i want you to tell me what YOUR thoughts of Sir T are. I dont want any 'JESTER? ROFLMAO' type of stuff. I want to know what you make of him. I mean, you don't think he is a Jester, and you dont appear to find him scummy, so i'm intrigued to see your explanation for his behaviour.

Much as it is nice to catch someone in the act of fabricating a case out of nothing, i would like to hear some opinions on something else from you-a topic which you have been deliberately avoiding. Sir T.

I don't even recall Jordan suggesting Jester first, but again, assuming you have your facts straight, you won't be opposed to showing me?

I don't entirely understand your last paragraph. One minute you accuse me of pushing Sir T too hard, and the next you suggest that i'm somehow DEFENDING HIM? rofl.

I'd say this is a good example of distancing from reality, Skruffs, because i'd be inclined to say that it was your non-commitalness with regard to Sir T, and pushing of a counter-wagon, really fits the description of defence.

Oh and i should note, as i end up saying in every game it seems, Jesters are not as unlikely as some people would have you believe. If you'd been in as many games with Jesters as me, you would probably be wary of them aswell.

Anyway, i eagerly await your responses-custard pie in hand.

BM

Ok. Hmm.

Here's what happened:
Jordan: "Hey Sir T, explain yourself or I will THROW DE FUD!"
Sir T: "Ok, THROW DE FUD!"
Jordan: "Wow are you a JESTER? *throws food*
Sir T: "Me Jester? Pshaw! Who else wants to THROW DE FUD?"
VItR: "Sir T is strange!"

Basically it's been fluff up to there, but I wanted to start it from when the Jester thing first came up.

Now, after that, and before I responded, this is what BM said abuot SirT (in alphabetical order).

By 'ignore him' i mean ignore his voting patterns, and comments, because they aren't helping at all, and for my part, they are very distracting.
He's certainly not town, but he could easily be a Jester, or scum with a PR.
I think we should look in other directions aswell, as we aren't deadlined.
i think it might be wise to stop throwing food at Sir T for now.
Its probably best if we simply ignore him for now.
i'm getting blatant Jester vibes from him
Now, he could well be scum, and could be the play today
unsurprisingly, i'm pretty reluctant to go against my gut and get humiliated by Sir T.


Summarized:
Sir T IS most likely scum, and unhelpful. However, he might be a JESTER, so we don't want to LYNCH him. That would suck!! Let's just ignore him, heh heh.

WHich would be a Perfect suggestion for scum. The thing that really got my attention is that he would jsut assume there is a jester out of no where, and THEN say that this person who is acting scummy in his eyes is PROBABLY IT. ???

Then, after I call him on that, by saying there's not likely a jester in this game, he says:
"If you dont think Sir T is a Jester, why have you not cast your food at him?
I'm getting defensive scumbuddy vibes here. "

Now my previous post really had nothing to do with SirT's role, as much as it was BM's speculation abuot that role, quasi defending and distancing of SirT, etc. But all of a sudden it's like BM tries to flip everything around. Now he's sayign that I must be his scum buddy, defending him. (Although in actually that is the opposite of what I Was doing)

See that's what really gets me - He says "Leave SirT alone, he's scummy because he's a JESTER" and when I say "There's probably no Jester", he says "O RLY? YOU ARE SCUM WITH HIM THEM!"


All through it BM has maintained that Sir T is scum, but now instead of trying to defend Sir T one way, he tries to blatantly deflect attention away from him and onto me.


He's tried to salvage himself by saying he was just asking me what my opinion of Sir T is, bu that's still really just trying to move on from the initial post where he got Caught. He's seemed to indicate that I have said anything about SirT's helpfulness or un-helpfullness in the game, when in fact, Jordan was the one who first suggested Jester, and BM just kinda grabbed that and ran.


Sidenote re: Jordan - he immediately agreed with JDodge that a jester is completely unlikely, after first broaching the subject, and in the post before that, saying that SirT is either a jester or mafia. Again, why would you assume someone is a jester?
This is back tracking, right?



Mostly, BM is being very self conscious regarding this whole manner, which I have never seen before.

Also: BM, a better accusation would have been to say that I was mafia and was trying to get rid of the idea of SirT being a jester so that I could help a townie get lynched. However, you seem to know/feel very strongly that SirT is mafia already, and for some reason have been trying to push attention away from him, and I think that 'knowledge' clouded your vision when you accused me of being a defensive scumbuddy to him.

[Battle Mage]

For the last time...

I AM NOT A JESTER

BM, I believe I asked you a very simple question in my post 287

Ok, BM, here's a question for you:

What is your alignment?

NO ONE ELSE ANSWER THIS.

If you ignore this again, you are going to end up with something very hot on yourself. I want a direct answer to this one, so do not try to joke this question away or deflect it on someone else.

In other news, Skruffs certainly needs to be elected to the

diet

.

lol and ofc i'm going to take your word for that, aren't i.
I dont see what my alignment has to do with anything, but i win when you and your scumbuddies are all dead.

Now please quit spamming the thread. I dont want to give Skruffs any excuses to miss my post.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM... you alignment please. It has everything to do with it. The fact that you are not telling your alignment is scummy as hell. If you are anti-yakuza, you should know what your alignment for this game is. Now, answer.

what are you getting at?
I cant quote my role pm, and i'm damn well not claiming at this point, so what exactly are you asking me?

Mod

: Can i quote my win condition?

[Battle Mage]

BM... I am not asking you to "quote your role PM".

Quoting an allignment, like "townie", "scum", "neutral", etc is not exactly the same as quoting a role PM.

obviously my alignment is 'protown' then...

[Battle Mage]

obviously my alignment is 'protown' then...

I see... so, your PM mentions you are pro town?

This is all too interesting, because my role PM actually doesn't mention any alignment. Nor does it mention any win condition. Just my name, my lunch box and my post restriction.

err no it doesnt. But it isnt difficult to infer from my role that i am protown. ROFL.
On the other hand, my role pm DOES have a win condition, and DOESN'T have a post restriction.

Throw Potato Chips at Sir T

[Battle Mage]

Toss a spoonful of Wasabi on BM

If i found out that this was real, ima PRUNE j00.

[Battle Mage]

So, you are allowed to throw potato chips on me and I am not allowed to throw Wasabi on you?

Interesting...

But seriously, you having an alignment, and me not having one, makes me naturally suspicious of you, especially in a game like this, where I can't imagine the existence of too many types of power roles, so majority of townies should be vanilla.

err the potato chips werent real. If you had been listening to me atall this game, you would know that.

and you see, another inconsistency is that i was not told atall about my lunch box filling up daily in my role pm.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I didn't say we shouldn't lynch Sir T. I said that we shouldn't lynch him YET. I'm surprised at you being someone in favour of cutting discussion short.

And yet I didn't say we should lynch him or not, did I? DID I???

Exactly. Hence my suspicion of you.

I'm gonna make this very simply for you Skruffs. In your next post, i want you to tell me what YOUR thoughts of Sir T are. I dont want any 'JESTER? ROFLMAO' type of stuff. I want to know what you make of him. I mean, you don't think he is a Jester, and you dont appear to find him scummy, so i'm intrigued to see your explanation for his behaviour.

He appears to me to be pro-town. He is figuring out what his food does (instead of just using it willy nilly like jdodge) - he seems to have some sort of a pr (which I think has been discussed is less likely to make him scum, but doesn't rule it out), and while he has not been the best at hunting scum, he's NOT making incredibly .... thoughtless posts like "This is a scum, guys, but let's not lynch him because I don't want him to have the satisfaction of the doubt".
You seem to be quite sure he is scum, though - and in other games, your reasoning, though unorthodox (as mine is unorthodox) a lot of time is spot on the mark.

So why don't you explain why you think he is scum instead of trying to wifom the town into lynching, him, you, or both?

I must disagree. In my opinion, even comments like 'this guy is scum' with weak reasoning, are more helpful than 'i'm going to vote for these players, but i'm not going to say why'. Whatever you say, at least it gives an opinion. I dislike the disdain with which you seem to regard my posts, but you could well be right about my original statement arguing 2 opposite things. Jordan makes a valid point about Sir T seeming to try and push the Jester breadcrumb a little too hard. Nonetheless, i fail to comprehend your stance atm. I've seen you play many games in the past, and your behaviour here is completely inexplicable. Normally you are a player who posts fairly prolifically, and provides lots of good analysis, and when town, gives mostly unbiased accounts of situations. Now, i am really strugging to understand your play with regard to Sir T here. The Skruffs i know would be at the very least, criticising his unwillingness to actually contribute. This isn't even a case of whether you find him scummy or not-it is the fact that you seem content with his total deliberate lack of reasoning.

FoS: Skruffs

Much as it is nice to catch someone in the act of fabricating a case out of nothing, i would like to hear some opinions on something else from you-a topic which you have been deliberately avoiding. Sir T.

I have not been avoiding it. I have simply been keeping my attention on you - something you are tryign desperately to shift, without getting yourself into more trouble. What made you feel the need to both discredit sir t and 'defend' him at the same time?

I dont consider it a case of simultaneously attacking and defending him. I was looking at the options, and still, i see absolutely no way that Sir T can be simply innocent town. Again, i'm having problems with you though. I mean, tell me if i'm totally wrong here, but usually you cast the net fairly wide, but here, you are acting really tunnel-visioned. It is very peculiar...
Oh and don't think i didnt notice the appeal to emotion.

I don't even recall Jordan suggesting Jester first, but again, assuming you have your facts straight, you won't be opposed to showing me?

Sure.
The beginning of the Jester debate
Jordan states it first, you tag along. You echoed his thoughts in post 262.

LIES. I originally suggested the possibility of a Jester in post 226, as Jordan pointed out a few posts ago i believe. Not that i really see the significance of that point either way, it still begs the question, whats with the misrepresentation?

I don't entirely understand your last paragraph. One minute you accuse me of pushing Sir T too hard, and the next you suggest that i'm somehow DEFENDING HIM? rofl.

"Sir T is scum, but let's not lynch him."
That's what you said, BM. Telling town not to lynch someone is.. .defending them, right?

I think we established about a page ago that my meaning here was that we don't quicklynch Sir T immediately. Note to Skruffs: Please Read Context.
In any case, i'm not sure how you can consider defending Sir T a scumtell, when you are perhaps the most guilty player of that here atm.

I'd say this is a good example of distancing from reality, Skruffs, because i'd be inclined to say that it was your non-commitalness with regard to Sir T, and pushing of a counter-wagon, really fits the description of defence.

How so? You are saying that by paying attention to your scum tells, I was being non-committal to Sir T?
How am I noncommittal when you first say "Sir T is scum, let's not lynch him" and then say "Skruffs if you think he's scum why aren't you lynching him?"
Just admit it, BM, you screwed up, and you got caught. It's okay. You've said yourself you're not playing this game too well.

Oh christ. Skruffs flaming? Now i KNOW something is up.
My view was, Sir T was either scum or jester. Period. You come along and attack the Jester argument, but neglect to make any comment on the allegation of him being scum. That's non-commital. The quotes of mine you have selected above don't prove anything. They do suggest that your BS attack on me is partially OMGUS based, but w/e.

What will make me laugh a hella lot, is if you are town.
You seem so excited at the possibility of catching me as scum, that you actually went as far as to make a case out of thin-air, in the hope of playing on the fact that i always look scummy, and getting a lynch. Guess what, kid? It's not your lucky day. You can continue to push a lynch on me if you want, but when i die and come up town, you're next in line fo sure.
You still haven't even successfully managed to explain what about my play looks scummy to you, other than my comments about the Jester.

Oh and i should note, as i end up saying in every game it seems, Jesters are not as unlikely as some people would have you believe. If you'd been in as many games with Jesters as me, you would probably be wary of them as well.

Telling totwn day one in a game where there may or may not be nightkills to not lynch someone YOU FEEL is scumym because they may be a jester... is... far fetched reasoning, even for you, BM. Yes, flavor wise, a jester would fit in nicely, but the game-equivalent would be a 'quick-n-easy day one lynch' by the mod, who is rewarded by 'winning' for himself for helping start up the game.

Why would there not be nightkills? Do you know something that we don't?
Because from where i'm sitting, i can't see any reason why we wouldn't have NK's in this game. Again, please explain yourself. When i find the planet you are coming from, i'll respond to the rest of this.

Anyway, i eagerly await your responses-custard pie in hand.

BM

You are threatening me for pointing out scum tells? When you know that I could very easily be lynched? Okie dokie. I'm just glad I got the chance to publicly note this.

BTW - BM - Are you getting ready to pie me because you think I'm scum or because I'm analyzing you?
If you think I am scum, please post an analysis before you throw that pie. I know you've noticed that I am 'tender', so if you are looking for a quick and easy way to dump a pie on me, (which sounds like it would be extremely messy and thus more likely to lynch me), I would expect you to post a good spate of reasoning first.

I am very curious about SHadowLurker myself. HE got wagoned early, complained, stated he only had 'five items' in his lunch box, and then disappeared.

Expect another post soon after this one - I am going to continue reading after BM's post now.

[/quote]

ROFL. Threatening you for pointing out scumtells? you and your ego need to get a room, matey.
On the topic of scumtells though, one very real scumtell that is worth noting is how obviously scared Skruffs is of me launching a pie at him.
Again, if he was reading the game, he would see that the odds of me actually having that pie are very very slim. you are 'tender'? lol
only in an argument it seems. I think there is plenty enough reason to lynch you atm, but i'm going to wait for other comments first. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE SCUM. It just means that i want to see what others think of you, before i throw.

Mod

, if these quotes fail (as they inevitably will) please fix them.

Everyone

, please tell me what you think of Skruffs atm. I'd especially like to hear from those of you who can meta-game him.

BM

[Battle Mage]

sir T - what the hell is "The Diet"???

Why would it matter?

BM - more deflection in post 324.

If by deflection, you mean responding to Sir T's incredibly unhelpful requests, then yes, i am guilty as charged.

327 - Sirtornado's post just doesn't make sense. What are you fishing for?

Cover Sir Tornado in gasoline and set him on fire

(Not real) (FoS)

You seem surprised?

338 - (Jordan) - Hrrmr, missed that. That makes you look a little better, but I still don't like that string cheese you threw at me. Also - This reminds me of Tarhalindnur's post where he said there were people trying to take over the school.

OMGUS much?

341- Really? My lunch replenishes itself. And I'm pretty sure the school cafeteria wouldn't sell prunes. How old are you?

And to think you accused Sir T of fishing...
Hypocrite.

342- Erg0. Woo. Thanks, you simplified that for me.

Yeh, the post by Erg0 made sense, but it ignored the fact that i didn't say you were defending Sir T because of the Jester argument, i said that your attacking of me, and total ignorance of Sir T showed a strong defence of him.

Vote count, BM is much further up than he was. Odd -

MOD : Is there a delay before damage is accessed ?

Oh wait, wasabi. Ouch. K.

[Battle Mage]

Thats weak. I mean, usually, if a game has no nightkills, the clue would be in the title of the game, which would almost certainly feature the word:

NIGHTLESS

The whole concept of night/day in mafia is that the Mafia has supremacy at night, and the town must fight back during the day. I dont quite know what you suppose would happen at Night if there were no NK's...
Little need for a Doc or Roleblocker. A cop would unbalance the game in favour of the town. Oh yeh, and the issue of us simply being able to break the game by No-Lynching until we got guilty's on the scum.

This post is a minefield of inconsistency and backtracking.

Post 349 supports the paranoid, over-defensive scumbag theory for Skruffs.

BM

*Oh yeah, sorry about the triple post.

Skruffs, do you seriously think this game might not have nightkills? Or are you just stating a hypothetical?

I don't seriously think it, no. I have no idea one way or another. All I "actually" know about this game (From post 1) is "We're night. Most of you are sleeping, some of you are scheming and gossiping. No night actions tonight, but those that are allowed to talk, can! ", for whatever that means. With 23 players, there almost HAS to be another way to eliminate players from the game other than by lynching, or else this game will go on for a very, *very* long time. I was going to say that nobody died n0, but apparently no nightactions were allowed n0, so that explains that. So I'm not *Quite* as ready to think there are no nightkills, actually, I'm pretty sure there ARE if nightactions weren't allowed.

I just noticed something while trolling through the first post looking for any indications of 'nightkills'.
There are two questions about "Bad Behavior Notes". One is saying that there is a private tally of bad behavior notes, that some players can give them out, and that others can lose them.

Considering that the "Alive list" is "Still Enrolled" and not "Still Alive" or something, I am going to assume that, maybe, bad behavior notes are like an independant, night-based 'food fight' - and that if someone gets 'enough' of them they are eliminated.

[Battle Mage]

Although thinking about it, I suppose it's not quite as consistent with Skruffs-town, but I have seen Skruffs playing like this recently. It could mean that my meta is just outdated.

Either way I don't see the case on him.

ok. please can you link me to the game in which you saw him recently play this way?
Oh and also, i'd appreciate it if you commented on the scumtells that i listed which Skruffs committed in my posts on this page.

thanks,
BM

[Battle Mage]

understood. can you at least tell us whether Skruffs' affiliation in that game has been revealed yet?

[Battle Mage]

it isn't. what IS suspicious is the fact that you don't seem to care either way.
lol again with the pie phobia. are you allergic to pastry or something?
seriously, get a grip. I have already thrown several things at Sir T, and as far as i recall, nothing yet has come your way from my lunchbox.

So am i to guess from your comments that you think i am defending Sir T because we are scumbuddies? or is there another scenario that you would like to fabricate in which SirT and you are both town, and i am the big bad wolf?

Yep, i'll gladly post a completed game that fits that description. gimme a sec and i'll get the link.

yeh i remember Mafia 61, but your play there wasnt as scummy as it is here. And that is saying something. Besides, you can hardly act high and mighty-you have failed to read me more times than you have been correct. lol

I have to go out now, but i'll get the link, and respond to the rest in the morning.

BM

[Battle Mage]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 64&start=0

^SPAG's Mini game-Speed Mafia.

I'll probably be able to find other examples tomorrow if necessary.

[Battle Mage]

I didnt know that being unsure about someones alignment was a scumtell. Reading Sir T's play, Jester was the logical conclusion, if you credit him with any intelligence whatsoever. But now i'm less sure about Sir T-scum, mainly due to the post from the Mod, which seemed to suggest that Sir T was genuine town. So now i'm looking at the others with strange behaviour-and you are top of my list. Regardless of what Sir T is, your play has been off, and whether you like it or not, you know i'm not the sort of person to sit back and keep quiet if i notice something i think is scummy. Hell, maybe i'm making a bad read again, but i've learnt that there is little way to avoid making mistakes on the way if you hope to hit scum.
Again, i see the fact that you are caught off-guard by my change of attack as a scumtell. I've genuinely never seen you so over-defensive before, even in games where you got pretty emotive.

If you have legitimate concerns, i'll say it one more time:
Changing your opinion is not necessarily scummy. Personally i'd rather see someone cast the net wide, than see someone blatantly playing for consistency points by taking a tunnel-visioned approach to the game.

And this, i am only going to say once.

I

DO NOT HAVE

A ****ING PIE!!!!!!!

BM

I have no idea what Sir T is. you accuse him of being a jester - I took interest in why you would suggest someone is a jester over scum in your eyes, and ever since you have been trying to say me and sir t are in cahoots. Who's the paranoid one?

and sorry if i am acting 'high and mighty', i promise you most of it is just inwards groaning. It's not meant to be condescending. Once you think someone is scum, you tend to ignore anything else in the game and focus on that person being scum, no matter what else happens. Except in Sir T's case, you've moved off of him and are focusing on me, instead. I'm surprised you haven't suggested that I was trying to eliminate the chances of him being a jester because 'i really know he's a townie and want him to be lynched'.

piephobia?
I'm at 11% from two things that should have done (if similar to my own) about 1% damage each. JDodg'e s bottle did something like 20% to yama, so I am willing to bet your pie would do something like 60% to me. If not more.

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs, BM, why are you assuming I am scum and accusing each other of being my scumbuddies? Do you actually have any sort of case against me?

伊万里

Err, if you read my last post, you would see that i'm no longer assuming anything.

[Battle Mage]

Sir T, I don't believe I assumed you were scum or his scum buddy. my sole intention was to call out my disbelief in BM's thought process.

And BM - Don't say you don't have a pie like it should be obvious to me what you have and don't have.

Don't pretend you are a complete dumbass, Skruffs-nobody is buying it.
I implied several times that the pie comment was a JOKE. not only that, but had you been reading my posts atall, you would see that having a 'pie' doesnt exactly correspond with what i have already claimed about my lunchbox.

[Battle Mage]

Oh and does anyone have any queso so can make some tacos?

El Queso est sambrosa.

[Battle Mage]

I will not be happy until I do this:

Fling a grapefruit at Shadowlurker

Smash a tuna sandwich on SL's face

\

christ, that looks painful. And smelly.

[Battle Mage]

I now feel that Yama is lying. Anorexic and 100 peas that do no damage? That does not seem plausible.

Ninja Throwing Star a Saltine at Skitzer

I can prove myself. Besides, the few things that hit me got me near 40 already which says anorexic to me...

wait a sec. Are you claiming that you ARE anorexic according to your role pm, or are you guessing that you MIGHT be anorexic based on the effects of food upon you so far?

I'm sorry about lack of posting here-i've been busy.

We need more food thrown at Skruffs imo.

Will post content soon.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bm:
Are you still sore cuz I called you out on horrendous logic?

Or are you trying to exploit me being sensitive to foods?

or was I scummy for not being telepathic re: your cream pie?

Skruffs, i get 'called out' for poor logic all the time. As it is, this game my logic has been relatively good by my standards. I'm not atall sore-especially because i think we've managed to trap a reaching scumbag.

Also, is it just me, or are a lot of people with relatively high amounts of damage claiming 'sensitivety'?
I see Skruffs-scum following Yama to save his own butt here.

Oh and fyi, it doesnt take a telepathist to read the thread, any more than it takes a telepathist to have a go at working out who might be scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

what are you smoking? your posts in this thread are complete inexplicable. I never said Yama was scum. I said that you were copying what he had said, in order to stop townies throwing food at you. If anything, my post implied that Yama was town, as is my current stance towards him. The rest of your post follows the same logical inaccuracy, so i'm going to ignore it.

Bm, that's the second time you've said yamahako was scum, accused me of being his scumbuddy, and then tried to direct attention to me. Even avoiding the scum buddy who would be easier to lynch (closer to lynch) to go after the accused partner. Is it good proceedure to say someone else is scum, then go after their supposed partner? Traditionally, in logic puzzles and the like, you want to minimize assumptions made when forced to work off of incomplete sets of data.

Also:
Believe it or not, people who get damaged an inordinate amount by small pieces of food

are sensitive

. That's kind of the definition of it. I have been hit with a sring cheese and a hot pepper... Both of these are claimed to be 'small' items by the people who threw them, and they did 11% or so damage. If you think I am in error to think that those items do not normally cause that much damage, please explain why you think that I am wrong. Then explain why it is scummy to be sensitive to foods.

Also:
Please point out where in thread you first acknowledged that the threat of a cream pie was in jest? Since you apparently mentioned it in thread before I was 'a moron' in taking you at face value, I would like you to explain where so that I can put that line of suspicion.

I dont understand the last sentence here. What do you mean by 'put that line of suspicion'?
And i'm not spending ages hooking out examples of your lack of reading. Try learning from your mistakes. I'll give you a hint. It's in the post in which i claimed the nature of my food.

BM

[Battle Mage]

also

Give Bad Behaviour Note to Skruffs

.
I think it's about to time to test what exactly this does.

[Battle Mage]

BECAUSE I DESCRIBED MY FOOD IN THREAD. It doesnt take a genius to work out that if i claim that my food is completely obscure and helps you poop, that i probably dont have a cream pie. Unless i lied about which food i had, in which case you could address this, but of course, this is not the case here.

You arent supposed to know whether the Bad Behaviour Note is serious or not, but a good start would be to ask me. To clarify, yes i do have Bad Behaviour notes as part of my inventory. I don't know what they do, but according to the Mod, i should only use them on somebody i really think is scum. I'm obviously not going to use something that will probably speed up a lynch in some way, on somebody I THINK MIGHT BE A JESTER.

BM

You are right, BM. You said Sir Tornado was scum, no wait, a jester, and that I was his scum buddy. I misread your previous post to suggest that Yama was scum and I was 'following' behind him, that was a misinterpretation on my part. I confused Yama and Sir Tornado's names. Both japanesish.

That line of suspicion:
You threaten me with a cream pie. When I take it at face value, you say that I should have known you were kidding. I had no reason to think you didn't have a cream pie over you did. All I know you have is a prune (I think). You later said that " it doesnt take a telepathist to read the thread, any more than it takes a telepathist to have a go at working out who might be scum." in regards to me not knowing you had a cream pie.

Please explain where you said in thread that you were kidding about the cream pie,

before

the time when you were explaining that it was 'obvious' that you were kidding about it. Tell me how I was supposed to know that you weren't serious.

Also, how am I supposed to know whether or not the bad behavior note is serious? Is this just another 'obvious' joke of yours which would be scummy of me not to get? If you had a bad behavior note, why didn't you give it to the person you thought was a jester, earlier in the day?

[Battle Mage]

Jester

you called?

*And no Skruffs, this is not supposed to be some sort of softclaim, breadcrumb or whatever else you might see it as.

[Battle Mage]

I don't particularly see why you would think bad behavior notes would be part of the actual food fight, unless you are throwing them.

It makes a lot more sense that they would either have something to do with killing or roleblocking, to me. You apparently haven't considered what they are at all before you decided to use one on me. If you just 'accidentally' daykilled me with your bad behavior note, then I hope you are happy to have outed yourself to waste a kill.

roflmao!
You are SO paranoid. anything to make yourself look like a weak newb eh?
I have no idea what they do, but i know that they are used during the day, and they should be used on someone you find scummy. Based on the setup, that screams to me 'lower percentage required to lynch' which is fine. If it turns out to be a DayKill, then at least we hit scum, and we'll know that they need to be used cautiously in future. I don't quite know what you mean by Roleblock. In all my months playing mafia, i've yet to see a daytime Roleblocker, but ofc, Skruffs knows best.
And for the last time, i am not a complete idiot. I have given the note some thought, and i think it is a great idea to see what we have early on, especially when we have a great target to test it on.

Oh and the only other thing i know about the notes is that people can produce fake ones. So watch out. A private tally is kept, or something along those lines, so the impact of the notes is incremental- not likely to be a DayKill then.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, if you're just faking it, you are HUGELY fishing and probably scum.

err, how would that be fishing?
do you deliberately misconstrue everything i do as scummy, or are you just dopey today?

[Battle Mage]

Throw Sauerkraut at Skruffs

. I'll be back after college to comment further.

[Battle Mage]

Jordan is up on my shit list for throwing a string cheese at me foer throwing hot soup at foolinc, even though I said immediately after throwing it that it wasn't real. I attacked foolinc for it and after realizing it never levelled the charges at jordan.

Justified, if a little OMGUSsy.

Battle mage supposedly outed his possibly being a power role to weaken and then attack me, who he thinks is scum for being sensitive to foods, not understanding his sense of humor, and for 'following behind yamahako' - a reason I neither

understand or agree with

. All the while saying I'm moronic and paranoid, and ignoring any of the interesting points or counter points I've made to ridicule me.

Lol don't be such a paranoid moron.
I didn't claim a power role. My role is completely unrelated to my possession of bad behaviour notes, as far as i can tell. I'm sure someone else can confirm/deny this. The bit i put in italics is an example of you desperately trying to defend against the points made against you, but getting caught up in your own web of lies. Do you fail to understand the case against you, or do you understand it, but disagree with it? Which is it to be?

Fine. I don't know if his bad behavior note is serious or not, but I'm guessing it is.
I'm also guessing the saurkraut (which is more likely german) is real.

Setting me up for the bomb, you are.

Yes, the bad behaviour note is serious. And yes, the sauerkraut is real (but as far as i can tell, the rest of my food doesnt follow the German theme). I dont understand the 'bomb' remark. I also dont have a clue wtf the penultimate paragraph of your post is supposed to mean.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It doesn't look like the BB note does anything noticable, else DGB would have said so last post. That said, I'm thinking that BM's note could be one of the fake ones,

hence why no mention as made

, and that combined with the cream pie (stupid move IMHO) makes me fairly confident that this will hit scum.

Splatter Mock Chicken Sandwich on Battle Mage

.

Well, that's all my food except some more bears.

erm, i dont get this post. Please explain the bit in italics-your grammar confounds me. I'd also like you to explain why me throwing fake food to get a reaction off Skruffs (which was remarkably successful) was a 'stupid move'.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The player list starts with "Still Enrolled".
I would assume that enough bad behavior notes would cause a student to be suspended or, effectively, nightkilled. I don't think it would have anything to do with lowering the ability to lynch, however, I am interested why you are discrediting me for seeming to be overly sensitive to foods, and then , apparently thinking that it would make someone even MORE sensitive to foods, target me with a bad behavior note. ???

I'm not discrediting you for BEING overly sensitive to food, i am discrediting the fact that you are clearly making this up in attempt to stop people throwing food at you.

I am also guessing that people who give out bad behavior notes are more likely than not disciplinarians, which ties in well with your prune, which is something older people have to eat to keep their digestive systems regular. In short, I very highly doubt that you are a student, battle mage.

You are right with the first comment (much as i dislike the rolefishing). I wouldnt necessarily say that prunes are for old people though- the only time i ate prunes was when i was a toddler.

Oh, wait, that's right... I am just Paranoid. You're attacking

me[/], and I am

paranoid

. I understand. Discredit the player you are attacking in the hopes that others will follow along. Downplay your attacks while exagerating the players reactions to it, in order to incite apathetic other players to follow along.

lol this is DOWNPLAYING my attacks?

And, yet, amazingly, you still haven't pointed out how I was supposed to know your threat of throwing an entire cream pie at me was just a joke.

Yes i have. Try reading my posts rather than skimming them. I dont have the time or inclination to babysit.

You still think I'm scummy for asking you why you would want town to leave someone you think of as scummy alone - someone you have claimed yoruself is scummy, but are basically ignoring. When I called you out on that, you turned your attention to me, and have been this entire game. First saying that I Was sir T's scumbuddy, which doesn't make sense, then using my lack of analysis on Sir T as cause for more investigation - mostly just ignoring what my attention was on, which was the reasoning why you would do something like that. Very fitting with someone who has got caught and is tryign to change the subject.

Your honour, i'd like to plead misrepresentation and clear bias. You were hopping in with a person c argument. No questions asked-a quick BW on BM to get the game going. Unfortunately, you reached a little too far, and now your play has totally lost it's edge, and to me at least, it's obvious that you are scum.

You've thrown a cornish pastry and three prunes.
you're also said "I don't have a PR, and the only role my food seems to fit is an incontinent German. lol "
This is the post we are supposed to take as gospel, right? BEcause you are so good at telling the truth and explaining yourself in a convincing manner this game.
It doesn't make sense, either, of course, because Cornish Pastries are from England, and prunes, the majority of which are from california. Cream pies originate in france, which, at least, is CLOSER to Germany than England.

I suppose after your early cock-ups, you actually went back and checked whether this food was real, right?
Still, i appreciate the extensive research into the locations of the food that i DON'T HAVE. Very useful. As for my post, i dont expect you take it as gospel any more than you would anything that is said in game. But what i do expect is a half-decent player to refer to that, to see if my food thrown is consistent. You didn't do this.

So yeah, you aren't very good at telling the truth but you think it's ridiculous that people do not assume you are telling the truth EVEN THOUGH you intentionally DON'T tell the truth as WELL as botch the truth when you DO try to tell it.

Lol, i'm getting lectures on morals by the biggest scumbag ever.

Using that as an excuse to be suspicious of someone - ie, not knowing where you are comign from, is the sterotypical Battle Mage

Insults, and bad logic. Need i say more?
Suffice to clarify that you again need to read the points made against you.

Shadowlurker, you seem to have not noticed BM's use of the bad behavior note and instead focused on his target. Why?

Fling french fry at Battle Mage

Lol, so much for not wasting your food on me, and the whole 'ima be the bigger man' speech.

OMGUS

@Tar-i'll answer your questions tomorrow hopefully. A triple post tonight is enough. lol

[Battle Mage]

give eight bad behavior notes to battle mage

I'm going to assume this isnt real, seeing as you were the one who seemed to think that bad behaviours notes were only for scum, and only to be used at night. lol

[Battle Mage]

squeeze ketchup bottle on battle mage

toss apple juice at battle mage

wing pickle slice at battle mage

There. I feel much, much better.
Battle mage, you are a chimpanzee.
I may be a paranoid moron, but thanks to you, i'm an ANGRY paranoid moron.
Asking someone to confirm/deny what you suggested about bad behavior notes was FISHING.

*sigh* This stuff is probably going to kill me, so please please PLEASE kill Skruffs tomorrow, once you know that i was telling the truth about him.

Throw Remaining Prunes at Skruffs
Throw Knackwurst at Skruffs
Throw All Frankfurters at Skruffs

BM

[Battle Mage]

Is that fo' reals? Either Skruffs pulled a BM and lied about his throws, or he has some weak food!

lol these days, most things are considered 'pulling a BM'.

Oh and i think it is now safe to say that Skruffs isn't quite as sensitive to food as he made out.

[Battle Mage]

Pickemgenius, why did you just throw food at skruffs? You give no reasons, and he's got the highest food count out there.

I also am suspicious of the bad behavior notes.

catapults whole roast ox onto BM

lol you are SUSPICIOUS of the bad behaviour notes? and rather than find out what they do, or even if they are good or bad, you decide to lob a main course at me?

Watch this man-he is in cahoots with Skruffs.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yeah that's right Skruffs. Whinge and bitch and moan because you are getting some stuff thrown at you. Completely ignore the fact that i am closer to be lynched than you.

I dont understand your claim. You say you are 'senile'. That doesnt mean sensitive. In fact if you are too senile to care, it probably gives you heightened resilience, because the food thrown at you doesn't bother you so much.

Nonetheless, it is probably time to claim. I reckon i'm about 10% away from dying. Anyway, i dont have a power role. I'm the Librarian (I'll go hook out the name in a sec). I suppose this explains the prunes, but im not sure what the rest is for. I'll go hook out some flavour too. The only good thing about my role is that i have a significant number of BB notes, which i can dispense to unruly students.

BM

*Erm, i'd also like to draw people's attention to Gorrad. Tell me, kiddo-why are you so quick to believe Skruffs when he hasnt claimed a role, or anything concrete. Plus we now have evidence that he lied about his character.
And even more unnerving is the fact that you consider Skruffs being a 'Dinnerlady' to be a scumtell against me.

Everyone ignores bm's ridiculous play to attack me for not ignoring bm's ridiculous play.

I get lots of food thrown at me when the supposed food i threw at bm does pt no pot damage.

People are intentionally shoving their heads up their own asses.

I am the lunchlady. I am aligned with the students, although none of them respect me. I don't care because i'm too senile to notice.
I hinted at Senile - mixing up players names.
i am claiming because i am either lynched or very very close to it.



Oh yeah, and look at that. I am sensitive.


Bm is so freaking scummy and the people who are throwing food at me without discussion, questions, without caring are just taking advatnage of that.
Most notably jdodge, who threw on on big chunk of food earlier in the game.


Pt no pot, not all of my food was real,. And neither all of the bad behavior notes. Do you see how many people attacked me when they saw i had "8" of them?

throw harmburger at jdodge

[Battle Mage]

I am also guessing that people who give out bad behavior notes are more likely than not disciplinarians, which ties in well with your prune, which is something older people have to eat to keep their digestive systems regular. In short, I very highly doubt that you are a student, battle mage.

Lol i knew this post was somewhere. Exhibit A shows Skruffs suggesting that me being an adult was scummy, in an attempt to push a case on me. It makes absolutely no sense for Skruffs-town to be suspicious of me being an adult, and if anything it would make him less suspicious of me.

Again, more inconsistencies from Skruffs.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Not the onions again :*(. I said it only helps my argument because I completely believe Skruff's claim. The fact that he's pro-town implicates BM to a degree, which stacks on all the other reasons I suspect BM.

ok now we are getting to the grass-roots reasoning behind your suspicion. You are tagging onto what Skruffs said, for no other reason than you think he is protown. News flash-even if you KNOW someone is protown, it doesnt mean they are always right. Its why when you are a mason, you dont do everything your buddy says without questionning their logic, and why when a protown player dies, you dont instantaneously follow their logic in order to cast your own suspicions.

But this is besides the point. You claim that you have a 'stack' of reasons for suspecting me, so it'd be awful nice if you could at least contribute these, rather than your current strategy of throwing food with no good reasoning whatsoever.

If i had any food left, i'd throw some at you now.

Oh and i just spotted this, which doesn't add up in my mind:

I believe Skruff's claim. Senile and old = a weak digestive system

Erm, what? This is a food FIGHT, not an eating contest. Our digestive systems have nothing to do with it. Skruffs is claiming that his old, senile, resilient dinnerlady has some kind of special weakness to

food

. Do you see now why i find this so utterly and plainly ridiculous?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs said that

not all

of his BB notes were real. That makes me think some of them were, supporting his claim. Also, there's probably some kind of safety patrol that can issue them.

I may be wrong here, but Skruffs also made clear a belief that BB notes were inherently scummy. Do you consider this to be consistent with a protown player, who possesses them?

If you don't believe me, and dont have the inclination to look yourself, i'll hook out some quotes tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

I believe Skruff's claim. Senile and old = a weak digestive system

Erm, what? This is a food FIGHT, not an eating contest. Our digestive systems have nothing to do with it. Skruffs is claiming that his old, senile, resilient dinnerlady has some kind of special weakness to

food

. Do you see now why i find this so utterly and plainly ridiculous?

BM

I'm saying this by the same reasoning that anorexic = sesitive.

Also, lunch ladies eat the food they make, right? That food is bloody awfull, and usually squishy! So yes, I believe that there's a weak digestive system, so that hard foods do more damage than soft.

I had assumed that anorexia was indicative of a physical weakness (due to malnutrition), hence each portion of food hurts you more. Old or not, i wouldnt expect an experienced dinnerlady to have any trouble defending against food-if anything they would have heightened resisilience because they are so used to it. And i dont think anything in this game corresponds to EATING the food. It's all about throwing it around.

[Battle Mage]

I'm kinda doubting that many adults other than the lunch lady would be very pro-student, and her only because she's senile. Yes, BB notes could be scummy, but that doesn't mean that a senile person who is in a position of power couldn't have them to help the town. Skruffs, any light you could shed on those notes would be helpful.

Only in America would there be lunch-ladies who could be considered 'pro-student'. In the real world, everyone knows that dinner-ladies hate students- i mean what dinnerlady in their right mind would be happy to see kids throwing around the food that they have made? come on-you are using so much interpretation to defend Skruffs-why not try using unbiased analysis to look critically upon his claim?

I don't see why you still think BB notes are scummy. If anything, i'd have to conclude that they are primarily a protown feature-hence the whole rule about making them up (what townie would want to do that?).

And Gorrad-seriously, if a dinnerlady is that senile and old and helpless, the last place she would be working is a school run by DGB.

BM

[Battle Mage]

you still havent explained why you find me scummy either (other than the whole BM vs Skruffs issue)

[Battle Mage]

Why, yama? You think bm's claim is credible?

Do you think it is

in

credible?

Yeah that's right Skruffs. Whinge and bitch and moan because you are getting some stuff thrown at you. Completely ignore the fact that i am closer to be lynched than you.

Oddly, i always thought that 50 was a higher number than 20. Or are you claiming to need a lower percentage to be lynched?

I made that post when i thought i had been the recipient of a Roast Ox to the head. lol
Don't try and put ridiculous arguments into other people's mouths.

I dont understand your claim. You say you are 'senile'. That doesnt mean sensitive. In fact if you are too senile to care, it probably gives you heightened resilience, because the food thrown at you doesn't bother you so much.

I never associated senile with sensitive. I based me being sensitive on going up to 10% with only two pieces of cheap food. And now up to 50% with a few more. Why do you assume that i am more resilient? You seem to be going against the obvious in making false assumptions.

Again, you obviously have different experiences of dinnerladies than i do. In my experience, they tend to be old, butch, grouchy people who dislike children. And above all else, they look like they can stand a few bits of food being flung at them.

Nonetheless, it is probably time to claim. I reckon i'm about 10% away from dying.

Again: 30% to lynch? Why would you say that?

Again: Roast Ox, plus Gorrad launching virtually his entire lunchbox at me.

Anyway, i dont have a power role. I'm the Librarian (I'll go hook out the name in a sec). I suppose this explains the prunes, but im not sure what the rest is for. I'll go hook out some flavour too. The only good thing about my role is that i have a significant number of BB notes, which i can dispense to unruly students.

Note you claimed townie earlier in the game, when asked who you were aligned with.

I dont think i implicitly claimed vanilla. I'm not that stupid. But i may have hinted at it in order to make another point. You'll have to link me, because i actually don't remember the situation.

*Erm, i'd also like to draw people's attention to Gorrad. Tell me, kiddo-why are you so quick to believe Skruffs when he hasnt claimed a role, or anything concrete. Plus we now have evidence that he lied about his character.

How did i lie about being the lunclady? You mean when you were fishing for how bad behavior notes, and i called you on it?
Also, i *did* claim a role. Lunch lady. You said in the exact same paragraph that i lied about it. Make up your mind.
Also make up a role yourself. Real Bad behavior notes? Power role. You just confessed to not having real notes. Which furthers the fishing/baiting theory.

Erm, you didnt lie about that aspect of your character. Again, quit pleading ignorance in order to undermine the arguments against you. You lied about being sensitive in my mind, and your play this game is the epitomy of inconsistency. And no, dude, you havent claimed a role. You claimed a roleNAME. Big difference. I dont see where i might have fished for BB notes, nor why i would bother when i have so damn many. lol
Again, i'm intrigued to see where you think i claimed NOT to have BB notes.

And even more unnerving is the fact that you consider Skruffs being a 'Dinnerlady' to be a scumtell against me.

Wow, and didn't you say that people were scum for siding with me against you error-filled predelictions?

predelictions?
lol. just...lol.

What i personally feel, based on my alignment and role, is that there are students vs ???
Where ??? Might be: teachers, aliens, etc. I am not respected by the kids (i don't think that means miller though) so i am guessing there is probably a "teacher" scum team. I am not saying grownups are inherently scummy, but my flavor indicates, to me anyways, that the students don't like the grownups. I think that it's more complicated than that, though.

So wait a sec. You are an adult. You are protown. And you somehow came to the conclusion that adults were probably scum?
The way in which you push a bogus theory about such a pattern which is so hugely inconsistent with your own claim, is hilariously scummy. You really may aswell be claiming scum right now, because you are tying yourself in knots.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I might as well clarify, I DID dump all remaining items on you, BM. You've been the recipient of everything but the banana. And the Roast Ox? BM, meet your Petard- let the hoisting begin. Your picture of a lunchlady differs radically from mine- the ones at my school were nice! Librarians hate roughhousing and would want to put a stop to it by almost any means neccesary. The fact that you're saying one would actually throw food back, though, is ludicrous. A senile Lunch Lady- that I can believe.

I guess its open to interpretation. Frankly, if anyone is going to be quiet and sensitive, it's somebody who reads books all day imo. But you see what you want to see, and i can't contest that. I'm just intrigued at your total and utter trust of Skruffs, and why you are pushing logic so much to defend him. I mean, there are so many question marks by him, and yet at every turn, you defend him. I cant explain this atall-it's not even behaviour i'd expect from a scumbuddy-it's way too obvious.

Anyone else like to give their thoughts on Gorrad's play atm?

BM

[Battle Mage]

What i personally feel, based on my alignment and role, is that there are students vs ???
Where ??? Might be: teachers, aliens, etc. I am not respected by the kids (i don't think that means miller though) so i am guessing there is probably a "teacher" scum team. I am not saying grownups are inherently scummy, but my flavor indicates, to me anyways,

that the students don't like the grownups

. I think that it's more complicated than that, though.

So wait a sec. You are an adult. You are protown. And

you somehow came to the conclusion that adults were probably scum?

The way in which you push a bogus theory about such a pattern which is so hugely inconsistent with your own claim, is hilariously scummy. You really may aswell be claiming scum right now, because you are tying yourself in knots.

Did you

read

what you just quoted? Skruffs said pretty much the opposite of what you interpreted it as.

Fling pudding at Gorrad

for his continued forced nonchalance at every piece of food that comes his way.

Try reading the whole thing rather than select phrases. And it is not just that post in which Skruffs insinuates that Adults=scum either.

Also, i'm not buying that Pudding as real. Pretty unspecific i reckon.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I believe that BM is telling his real role name. I also believe that BM is probably scum.

Why? Librarians stereotypically hate loud talking and disorder... say, the kind of loud talking and disorder that comes up in a food fight. In addition, librarians stereotypically hate gossip, and I have reason to believe that gossip in this game is pro-town. Finally, my role gives me reason to believe that most of the roles in this game are stereotypes.

Given this, I think that it is time for me to alpha strikw. I'm throwing all of the food in my lunchbox, but not all of the food that I am throwing will be real.

NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED

Fire all celery sticks at Battle Mage
Fire all saltines at Battle Mage
Fire all baby carrots at Battle Mage
Fire all cherry tomatoes at Battle Mage
Fire all ham slices at Battle Mage
Fire all cheese at Battle Mage
Fire peanut butter and jelly sandwich at Battle Mage

Also, anybody else like Betty Boop cartoons?

oh and i suppose Dinnerladies stereotypically LOVE to see their food lobbed everywhere right?

If i'm dead now, which is quite possible, lynch Skruffs tomorrow. I am not Mafia, and hopefully when i am dead, you will take me seriously, because i promise you that Skruffs is Mafia.

Not alot of point me claiming my character name now, but good luck town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

that clearly would've been more useful had it been thrown at Skruffs. lol

[Battle Mage]

that clearly would've been more useful had it been thrown at Skruffs. lol

you would've been useful if you'd have looked at people other than skruffs

I have looked at them. Unfortunately there isn't alot i can do now i'm out of food, and all the opportunists are coming out to play.

[Battle Mage]

that clearly would've been more useful had it been thrown at Skruffs. lol

you would've been useful if you'd have looked at people other than skruffs

I have looked at them. Unfortunately there isn't alot i can do now i'm out of food, and all the opportunists are coming out to play.

There's this thing called "posting content" that you might want to try

personally i despise it, but...

i wouldn't want to get in your bad books. frankly i think my current posting rate is fine.

[Battle Mage]

SABOTAGE? Lol.
I'm getting mixed signals here. If you genuinely think i am scum, you would be happy that i had drawn myself completely into the open. You would presumably want to take credit for 'catching' me. But instead, you describe my play as a negative for you-which is ANOTHER inconsistency on your part. I guess you have a different definition of 'sabotage' in your country, but over here, it would be the Mafia equivalent of posting your role pm in game, claiming your scumbuddies, or generally breaking the rules in an attempt to break the game. Unless of course you are just intentionally exaggerating to get a reaction, an explanation of how you think i have, in your mind, 'sabotaged' the game. As far as i can see, i've done pretty damn well. I've caught a scumbag, and proven his guilty beyond reasonable doubt. I've taken it to a situation where it is either me or said scumbag who will be lynched. If i die, its not the end of the world, and at least those of you who didn't credit my suspicious, might think again, and Skruffs will be lynched tomorrow. If Skruffs is lynched, i'll probably be NKed, but that means not only that we dont lose a power role, but i'll also be happy that i've done my bit.
Of course, it would be better if i was skilled enough at arguing to confirm the latter scenario, but you are right in that when it comes down to a shouting contest, i almost always lose. I'm not sure how to change that, but it gets me lynched so often nowadays. Those of you into meta-gaming can check this.
And besides, Skruffs, despite your shoddy play this game, you are very persuasive. You could sell ice to eskimo's-and have been doing this all game, if you know what i mean.
If you fancy giving me lessons on making people listen, after the game, that'd be appreciated.

Anyway, back to the game, and i just figured i'd once again note the irony of your criticism of my tunnel-visioned play, when yours has been identical-if not worse.

Gorrad's last post was blatant fishing.

BM

BAttle Mage, when you are wrong, and you sabotage a game (like you are trying to do in this game) do you ever actually consider "Hmm. Maybe I should reconsider my 'BM is right despite the influence of logic and reality on my assumptions' playstyle, it really doesn't seem to help anyone but scum. Like. Ever." and then maybe edit your playstyle to tone it down? Because I called out this method of playign already:

and sorry if i am acting 'high and mighty', i promise you most of it is just inwards groaning. It's not meant to be condescending.

Once you think someone is scum, you tend to ignore anything else in the game and focus on that person being scum, no matter what else happens.

Except in Sir T's case, you've moved off of him and are focusing on me, instead. I'm surprised you haven't suggested that I was trying to eliminate the chances of him being a jester because 'i really know he's a townie and want him to be lynched'.

[Battle Mage]

We are a week before deadline. With votes unable to be retracted, it looks like either me or bm is today's play. (Thanks bm! You just now noticed the oppurtunists?)

Personally i think (now) that jdodge would be a good lynch..

And i dont suppose that has anything atall to do with the fact that i just said that it's either me or you going down today, and you know that if i die, your days are numbered?
Oh and Jdodge attacked you, and has a fair bit of damage taken himself.

Coincidence?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bm, you keep saying with absolute certainty that I am scum. You accuse me of reacting to things before those things even happen.

I am almost certain that you are scum. The only thing slight doubts is the amount of non-commital people suggesting that both of us are probably town. I can't see scum saying this, if it was not the case, as it would screw them over later.

More importantly, you claim to have bad behavior notes, but then insist you are not a power role. If you really have bad behavior notes, you are a power role. And if you aren't a power role, and don't have bad behavior notes,

than why did you fake claim librarian

, who it would make sense to have bad beavior notes?

Dude, Bad Behaviour notes are not a role. I don't have a power role. I don't do anything at night, nor anything particularly incredible during the day. I have Bad Behaviour Notes, but as i dont know what they do, i dont consider them of much value atm. It's comments like that in italics which make me so certain that you are scum. You aren't genuinely trying to ascertain my affiliation. You are asking me leading questions, which allow you to misconstrue what i say. I'm not going to say this again, because currently, it really pains me to do so: Skruffs, you aren't stupid. So why do you expect the rest of us to believe that your play is that of a townie, when you are pushing the contrary so hard.

The only reason I am pushing for a jdodge instead of you is because A) claimed to have a power role (with claimed flavor to back it up) and B) you are playing so intentionally badly that I feel that if you are scum, you may very well be the 'jester' who's scum buddy you accused me of being earlier.

Also- if you are the librarian, why do you think the lunch lady is either scum or a fake claim?

lol I'm going to ignore the flaming (HAI BBM). In response to your question, i haven't put much stock in the theory: 'all adults are scum' or 'children vs staff'. As such, i fail to see a correllation between our claims atall, unless you really think that DGB would make such a ridiculously broken setup. You, on the other hand, claimed to give credit to the theory of adults=scum, and this directly contradicts your own claim.

BM

*after reading, i find TSS's analysis rather weak in places-he appears to focus on the most peculiar of places. Nonetheless, he does make a good point about Skitzer, of whom i didnt like Post 634.

FoS: Skitzer

[Battle Mage]

so you are breadcrumbing an OMGUSsy teenager?

[Battle Mage]

(that was at Gorrad's post on the last page)

[Battle Mage]

I'm disappointed that skitzer appears to be out of range for a lynch, though there does seem to be a good percentage of the food still at large. I'm going to hang on to my scarce resources for a little longer so that I can hopefully do some good with them.

IF skitzer turns out to be scum, go after Erg0.
I think that there are combinatinos of foods that make 'more of a mess' and therefore cause mroe damage. For example, if someone is sticky with nacho cheese, then french fries and chopped onions will stick to them more. It says in the rules that there will be unexpected results after throwing food - to write off someone you think is scummy is bad. You're kind of defending him.

This is a surprisingly good post. But, why do you keep changing your avatar?

[Battle Mage]

The buhbuhbam avatar was to insult FlameAxe in another game, who made fun of it.
I've wanted this one for a while now, anyways. It fits. You wouldn't understand being German.

No, you're right, i've never been a big fan of the Germans, though im not sure what that has to do with your avatar.

[Battle Mage]

The buhbuhbam avatar was to insult FlameAxe in another game, who made fun of it.
I've wanted this one for a while now, anyways. It fits. You wouldn't understand being German.

No, you're right, i've never been a big fan of the Germans, though im not sure what that has to do with your avatar.

I see what you did there...

lol the intricacies of the english language.

[Battle Mage]

lol i didn't know this was a popularity contest. I think i've had enough of that in Mish Mash thankyou very much. This is a game of Mafia, Skruffs. You can contibute analysis till the cows come home, but it doesnt change your role pm. In fact, i wouldnt expect any less of you as scum.
Of course, all i can really say, is read my play, and read Skruffs. I don't think a Skitzer lynch is going to happen, and in any case, it would be better to end the conflict between Skruffs and i now, rather than later. Don't get wrapped up Skruffs' propaganda. If you do opt to lynch me, be prepared to be wrong, and be ready to lynch Skruffs tomorrow. I'd hate to say 'sure', because in another game very recently, i claimed to be 99% sure that someone was scum, and i was wrong. Even so, every logical fibre in me is telling me that Skruffs is scum. If i die today, when my affiliation is confirmed, i hope and expect that he is killed. I'm happy to give up my life in order to kill off a persuasive scumbag.
It'd be very useful is people would weigh in over the next 24 hours. If there is any doubt over Skruffs' guilty, i'm more than happy to sum up the case again tomorrow afternoon (early finish from College).

If i am to die, i'll dispense of my remaining BB notes before i go.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So bm, are you willing to die also if I come up as town?

Obviously. If you are town, not only would i almost certainly be killed anyway, i would deserve it. Mafia is all about gambling, and i'm willing to gamble my life on you being scum.

You are mimickig your exact play as a doctor in mafia 61. Even though I confirmed both the vig and the criminologist, you wanted me to die anyways.

Wait a sec. You admit that from a meta perspective, i am playing exactly as i normally do as town, and yet you still seem pretty damn keen to see my hang. Why?

I'm not saying it has to be you or me. I'm saying I'm helping town more than you, considering you think I'm scum primarily because I don't get your jokes and question the logic behind assuming someone is a jester over scum.

lol its a shame that your reading hasn't improved. If you show up town, i'm going to be frigging peed off when the game is over.
And not only because your play has been the equivalent of begging to be lynched, but because your attitude has been shitty, regardless of affiliation.

Ohnoes skruffs is trying to be persuasive!!! Evilanalysis threatening to destroy bm's playtime!!!! Kill him!!!!!

lol ofc, i'm going to be over the moon when i see scum wriggling his way out of suspicion.
As for this mythical analysis of yours, i can't say a great deal. I dont recall you even claiming a role yet. What bugs me more than anything is when you use general antagonism as your defence.

Oh and lastly, i'd just like to get this confirmed.

You claim to be helping the town immensely, by pushing a lynch on a townie, who you have no conviction of being scum?

If this was a law court, you would be torn to shreds at this point.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think it is funny how Skruffs and BM have been seemingly scummy for the majority of the game and all I did was make 2 errors, one wasn't even noticed and the other was just noobish play.

what do you mean by 'seemingly' scummy?
Do you find us scummy, or are you just hopping on other's suspicions?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Who are you talking to?

i think from the '30 posts yesterday' comment, he was talking to me. Skruffs, you well know from the game you are modding that my activity is limited until tomorrow onwards. But if you link me to the post in question, i'll do my best to oblige.

Skitzer-if you dont think we are scum, who is, and why havent you thrown your food at them?

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol i LOVE the way that you emphasise the LEAST important aspect of Ckillor's post, and highlight it as scummy, whilst IGNORING the fact that he CLAIMS TO FIND YOU PROBABLY PROTOWN, YET THREW FOOD AT YOU.

WHY is this?!

Oh and I'm loving the CAPITALISATION for EMPHASIS btw.

BM

Wow ckillor.
You totally took my role and play style, and Battle MAge's...
SWITCHED THEM AROUND...

And threw food at me.


I AM NOT THE LIBRARIAN


I AM THE

LUNCH LADY

AND I'M NOT THE ONE WHO'S BEEN TUNNELVISIONED ON BATTLEMAGE, BATTLEMAGE JUST CAN NOT HANDLE THAT I SAW THROUGH HIS CRAPTACULAR SCUNM LOGIC AND HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET ME LYNCHED EVER SINCE



<-- ME

<-BM


I know you aren't stupid.

[Battle Mage]

I haven't claimed a role yet?

no, you haven't. Are you going to? or will you keep avoiding the question in the hope that everyone forgets about it?

Okay, you apparently did make up your role

No i didn't. I am vanilla, but i have bad behaviour notes. They aren't a ROLE, they are an additional feature of the game, which i gather several people have (including yourself apparently).

Hmmmm. Why would someone stall in claiming until they had someone else to base their role off of

Woah. Wait a sec. Is this a CONFESSION?

Confirm Vote: Skruffs

you are an obnoxious, ignorant twit who seems to enjoy lynching power roles as town or scum.

lol. Now you are hinting at a power-role? yet earlier you were breadcrumbing vanilla. If you had a power role, why the f*ck didnt you claim it when you supposedly thought that you were near a lynch?
I can see where this is going already. 24 hours till deadline. Scum has the largest wagon. However he claims power role in order to save himself at the last minute, causing a lynch on someone else.
I'm guessing this is why you have prolonged your claim, amirite? Admit it.

How do you do that eyeroll smiley? I want to do that right now.

YOU CLICK THE ICON. Why are you deliberately playing dumb, if not scum? Even the biggest newb in the history of the site is capable of looking through a list of 20 smilies, and choosing the one they want.

You've been fishing about bad behavior notes, and then tried to pin it on me when I fed you misinformation about it.

Sorry, i dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about here. Why would i fish for BB notes, when i already have plenty?
and what did i try to pin on you?
quit being deliberately obtuse and vague, and explain yourself properly.

You fished for information about powerroles, then claimed one, then also said you were vanilla.

Erm, no. just no. what is it with all your rolefishing? Are you hoping someone is going to step up and support what i am saying, so you have another player outted.

You stated someone was a jester and shouldn't be lynched, then accused me of being his partner

Dude, Jester's dont have partners. Besides, you're misinterpreting my comments anyway. I didnt say Sir T WAS a Jester-i just thought it was a possibility. Of course, i was well aware that if scum, he would have buddies, and at the time i thought that you fitted the bill nicely. In fact, it became apparent that your play was scummy in its own right, and thus a vote for you was a sound one.

why you would assume jester over scum

I've been in alot of games with Jesters. Being aware of the possibility of less common roles is a good idea-especially when they have come up alot recently.

and then ignored them and targetted me the rest of the day.

RIGHT, i get it now. You're upset because you got caught with your hand in the proverbial cookie jar.
You saw a conflict between me and Sir T, and jumped on a popular target-knowing well that i am famed as one of the easiest BWs on MS. Then when you got some attention placed on you, you reached out of your depth, and ever since, you've had to play the aggressive newb, in order to get some consistency points.

When someone questions why people are throwing food at me and ignoring you, he's suddenly my scumbuddy

Yup-its called 'defending scum'. I'm sure you've encountered someone defending someone else before. I mean, look at it from a perspective besides your own. To any sane person in this game, you are clearly scum. When someone defies obvious logic in order to try and defend you, with completely ridiculous reasoning, there is something up with them, wouldn't you say?

Now you are trying to kill a player with claimed abilities

Who? You? You havent claimed an ability. In fact, all you have claimed is your rolename (which is probably of no consequence) and the fact you have BB notes- and i should note that you have already emphasised that there is a difference in your role pm between BB notes and your actual 'ability', so i'm waiting anxiously to see you explain this.

What about the players I started looking at after you claimed; jdodge notably. Have you? No.

erm, if you are looking for townie points for 'casting the net wide' as it were, you came to the wrong place. It doesnt come as any surprise to me that, ever since you have come under pressure, and seen that a lynch on me isnt quite as straightforward as you had hoped, you have tried to push suspicion on a number of other people-some legitimate, some not so. Even the stupidest person in the world can read this game, and see that you have taken every moment in which i havent been pressuring you, and used it to push a different BW. Anything to save your own behind eh?

Did you ridicule me for being angry at your heavy handed extortion with your theat of a cream pie - a food item referenced In the game itself (or at least one of my pms)? Yes, you did.

Erm, what the HELL!? one of your pm's? referenced in the game itself?
I dont have 1 iota of a clue what you are talking about. Can i get a translator in here?
Oh and ftr, you deserved to be ridiculed. You are usually a capable player Skruffs, and certainly one who would be expected to read stuff properly. I think you let your guard slip here, and we found you out.

But what did you do when someone fake threw a fake ox? You pretended to take it seriously, soething you had previously said was moronic of me to do.

I PRETENDED to take it seriously? Are you insinuating that i am now scum with the guy who allegedly threw the Ox at me? And besides, i dont recall the player in question (was it Nightfall?) breadcrumbing to have food other than an ox. With all the wacky food in this game, i dont think it is exactly surprising that i was wary. Of course, i didnt do what you did, and have a total freak-out.

In short, you've been useless all day, and I don't know why you have been singlemindedly trying to get my lynched all day, but, popularity contest aside, you are either a lyncher, jester,or godfather, with a badly claimed role. I am guessing lyncher, because you seem to not have considered anything other than getting me lynched, regardless of anything else in the game. But that desn't fit in with your jeater spiel on sir tornado, so I'll guess either one or the other.

Useless? I'll enjoy seeing you eat those words when you die and come up scum. I'll give you 1 home truth here: Skruffs, you are nowhere near as good at this game as you seem to think you are. You aren't immune to suspicion as scum. To me at least, you are obviously scum. Have a nice death.
I mean, dude-do you seriously expect people to accept the explanation that YOU NOW THINK I AM A JESTER!?!?!
And ofc, being the good player you are, i'm sure you've read my play in Lyncher Mafia, where i was the Lyncher, and are basing your suggestion on my play in that game-in which i deliberately avoided voting for my target. The players here aren't totally thick ya know. :X

I don't think it's my playstyle you have a problem with at all.
I think it's yours.

Oh, well thats all right then. I have a problem with my own playstyle. How did you find out? Was it all the self-voting that gave me away? And ofc, my suicidal playstyle is a great reason to lynch me. Because everyone knows that bad players are always scum [/sarcasm]

Its not good enough Skruffs. If thats the case on me, you're screwed, because all it does is highlight your own scumminess. Anyone here who has played with you ONCE, will know that you are capable of so much more as protown. These mistakes?
Probably the result of panicked scum, not wanting to die on the first day, with no chance to redeem his abysmal play.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Fos ; flameaxe
Wether ckillor is scum, stupid, or insane, I don't thin he can be lynched today, and you throwing food at him is the equivalent of throwing food at me, since it's just helping to make it more likely I get lynched.

Poor logic. Ckillor was scummy, and Flameaxe was correct to point this out. I wish you would quit with the appeal to emotion of:

"Oh, look at me, poor little weak Skruffs. Look, you didnt throw food at Battle Mage, you big meany. Its obviously scummy to throw food at those you suspect. Oh, everything is a sin against me, and you are all scum."

The above is the aspect of your playstyle here that goes beyond just scummy for me. It is actually really annoying.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If anyone expresses any indication that they think any of bm's arguments make any sense and/or are base on the game, I'll respond to them, because I'm pretty sure it's just still goading me into being pissed off at him, which honestly, doesn't do anything but give him some snickers.

Ok. Ima translate this as: "I can't find a decent response to the points made against me, so i'll just lurk until deadline."

again, i'm not sure if you are talking in a deliberately obtuse way in order to antagonise, or whether there is some secret code that i'm missing here.

I'm not sure when tomorrow the deadline is, but if i'm killed, make damn sure you kill Skruffs tomorrow.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If anyone expresses any indication that they think any of bm's arguments make any sense and/or are base on the game, I'll respond to them, because I'm pretty sure it's just still goading me into being pissed off at him, which honestly, doesn't do anything but give him some snickers.

Ok. Ima translate this as: "I can't find a decent response to the points made against me, so i'll just lurk until deadline."

again, i'm not sure if you are talking in a deliberately obtuse way in order to antagonise, or whether there is some secret code that i'm missing here.

I'm not sure when tomorrow the deadline is, but if i'm killed, make damn sure you kill Skruffs tomorrow.

BM

I don't see how you can complain about his "ignoring your points" when he's responded to all of them - which is in turn you ignoring his points. And additionally you not responding to serious questions that he has about how you claimed (Again you ignoring his points).

You're a broken record right now, and the tune sucks.

Did you even bother to glance at post 709?
I responded to what seems to be his entire case against me. Now, in typical BM fashion, i'm going to post frequently in an attempt to invoke a response.

[Battle Mage]

Did you even bother to glance at post 709?
I responded to what seems to be his entire case against me. Now, in typical BM fashion, i'm going to post frequently in an attempt to invoke a response.

Why did you condemn Skruffs saying that you thought that Adults were scum?

HE thought adults were scum. Or at least thats what he hinted at earlier. Yet not long later, he claims to be an adult himself, which is pretty inconsistent.

Anything else?

[Battle Mage]

hmm, a vegetarian? sounds like a plausable role, but could be easily made up, and i think its more likely that a lunch lady or a librarian could be more helpful with abilities than a vegetarian,

like what occured to me with the librarian that could investigates students for a criminal past.

fling remaining carrots at skitzer

after reconsidering things i thnik its better to keep the lunchlady and librarian since vegetarian sounds so faked,

and i don't thnik it could be a big loss if we mislynch

LAUNCH aubergine at ckillor.

rolefishing, and the brilliant bloded part.


hmm.

and you neglected to mention the fact that he claims it is 'a plausible role that could easily have been made up'.
I dont think his alleged rolefishing is especially a scumtell though, seeing as i have already claimed.

The last sentence of Erg0's post (726) was disgusting, and yet it made me lol.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Simmering in the school cafeteria CAULDRON?
You have to be kidding me!

Vote: Skruffs

[Battle Mage]

Well, I shouldn't say that, but maybe she was seen as a hurdle for the administration's agenda. Don't repeat that, OK?

Administration are scum then? Exactly who Skruffs claimed he was?

You mean BM?

actually it applies to both Skruffs and i, were administration to mean 'adults', which evidently is not the case. I think its more probable that 'administration' is the schoolyard equivalent of 'mafia', i.e. thats just the name given to the scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'd say it applies more to you than Skruffs, a librarian is more admin-like than a lunchlady.

and i suppose whilst the fact that the flavour seems to indicate me slightly more than Skruffs, the fact that Jdodge was killed IN THE KITCHEN, IN A CAULDRON, WHERE SKRUFFS ALLEGEDLY WORKS, AND HAS BEEN SERVED UP TO THE CHILDREN, is completely irrelevant?

[Battle Mage]

actually my first impression was that the TSS kill was a Vig-Kill. I mean, 'fired' sounds more like something implemented by a good guy than 'boiled'. lol
There is nothing i can see in the first kill which ties it to anything anti-town at least, but i guess time will tell on that one. I'm guessing Vig though.

I dont comprehend your definition of Admin. One minute you take my approach which is that 'Admin' is the term given to the mafia, and the next, you use the word with its more literal definition, in order to excuse a throw at me. Currently you are arguing both sides-choose one.

your point 4 doesnt make sense in either context. Not only does it weaken the validity of your 'vote' against me, it could also be a subtle attempt to get Skruffs out of the limelight today.

BM

Ewwwwww, there's no way that human flesh can be good for the human body, we'd all get a rash!

I'm willing to think that, with the amount of creativity available in flinging food, that it's not out of the question to think NKs could be the same way. This could very well be an attempt at framing Skruffs, someone else could have used the cauldron, or it's just DGB's renowned...creativity.

Also, there were two seperate NKs. You claim that Skruffs is scum because he works where the murder occured. Does this mean you think that there's two scum groups? I think that we have the Aministration-scum and an SK or Vig from the way the murders were described. This would, by your reasoning, make Skruffs NOT scum, but still have an NK.

Do you think of Lunch Ladies as admins? I sure don't. Librarians, on the other hand, are hired for being neat, orderly, and proper, as well as for literary knowledge. It's a much more dignified position that Lunch Lady, which requires much less administrative skill.



Here are points I'm almost sure of from last night:

1. The administration is out to get us, and is probably enlisting help from brownnosing students.

2. There is at least one mafia group (administration) which is trying to expell and fire those in their way. I think the odds of another group are not large.

3. There is an SK or Vig who is killing their victims.

4. Not all adults are bad guys, even if they work in administrative positions.


Nothing has come up since yesterday that has changed my opinion- let he who is without sin

Cast the first Banana at BM

[Battle Mage]

Yes, but if I was an sk who killed by cooking, and I claimed to be someone who worked in an area where food is cooked, and almost got lynched, I wouldn't kill the first nihght, esp after claiming. I don't think anyone is that shortsighted.

unless of course, like most SK's/mafia groups, you didnt know your kill method at the start of the game...

@Sir T-ive seen a game or 2 where groups are forced to kill if they can, with a random kill being made if they dont submit, but usually, not NKing is an option.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I wouldn't know, I've never been an sk.


I'm going to focus on people who didn't toss food on one of the three main wagons late day 1, for starters. I don't like "either/or" mentality regarding bm/skruffs as scum (false dilemma), and probably people who said one thing but acted another.

And you've never played in a game with an SK?

What do you mean by 'open your eyes'?

[Battle Mage]

Tar, I find your withholding information infuriating. I'm trusting you, even though you did not trust me earlier, but I find your uncooperativeness scummy. Scum have more to hide than town.

FoS: Gorrad

So scummy...

Tarhalindur, if you have a power role, and dont want to claim, FFS SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

[Battle Mage]

I wouldn't know, I've never been an sk.

And you've never played in a game with an SK?

Actually, in every game I've played in, the SK has never been *forced* to nightkill, as far as I am aware. I'm sure they *did*, anyways, but I've not personally been involved in a game like that, as an SK or where the sk was revealed to be forced to kill. But look, twisting "I've never been an SK" into "I've never been in a game with an SK", is irritating.

I can link you to an ongoing game which i am taking part in, in which killing roles must kill.

Stop it. Or I'll load you up with bad behavior notes, proving that I have them by (hopefully) getting your sorry ass fired or suspended

Oh Dear Skruffy. Caught in another lie? Because, according to my recollection, you gave me no less than 8 BB notes yesterday, claiming that not all of them were real. Now, either you were lying there, and have more than 8 BB notes, which i find extremely hard to believe, or you are lying now, in an attempt to scare people into not offending you.
Nice try, but i'm happy for you to hit me with any BB notes you have, scum. :p

and (hopefully) making a very strong point that it is very unlikely for someone to have both quasi-day-vig AND nightkill abilities.

why so desperate to prove your innocence? Nervous?

because I think it is likely you may have said that more likely AS someone with insider knowledge.

So, just to clarify, you think Sir T is an SK now?

Tarhalindur - You said that you were able to night talk day one. Blatantly. If you have game information, you are a target, and you might as well share it. That seems obvious to me.

I dont remember him being that specific, but Skruffs is right here. You have softclaimed a power role, that much is obvious. If you have game related information, you probably want to share it before the day is out.

Are you going to use the allergy as an excuse not to scum hunt?

I dont follow this. Are you going to attack everyone today, just for the sake of it?

And btw, why the f*ck am i at nearly 10% already!?

BM

[Battle Mage]

And btw, why the f*ck am i at nearly 10% already!?

Hint: banana.

what, did i trip on the skin and fall onto a knife or something?

[Battle Mage]

Before I reveal my information, there are questions that I need to see answered.

Battle Mage, is there any connection that you know of between your role and Flameaxe's role?

Flameaxe, is there any connection that you know of between your role and Battle Mage's role?

Gorrad, is there any connection that you know of between your role and Aimee's role?

Aimee, is there any connection between your role and Gorrad's role that you know of?

Yes or no will suffice. I have a very good reason for asking these questions - depending on the answers, I may be able to break the setup in half.

Um, no. lol
I'm intrigued to see where this is going...

[Battle Mage]

ABR, what are you talking about?

[Battle Mage]

Hmm. It would seem that part of my role-based information is not as useful as I thought. As such, I will leave that part of the role out for the time being, though I may reveal it later today.

I might as well ability claim, though, so that everyone else has an idea of what is going on here (and because doc protecting me is what I like to call a "good idea")

I'm a cheerleader with a large network for friends, some of whom seem to have inside information on other people (makes sense, as the flavor behind my role is that my social group doubles as a gossip circle). In game terms, what this means is that I have two abilities. First, I'm a mason, and I get to gossip with my 2 fellow masons at night. I have breadcrumbed another mason's role name in three of my posts, and the third mason has breadcrumbed my role name in several of his posts. I'm not willing to implicitly trust my fellow masons just yet, however, because of the second part of my role (this is why I haven't told you about the second ability previously, buddies): my gossipy nature also gives me access to a source of information (better known as our dear mod DGB) who can tell me whether or not a player is scum at night.

So yeah, I'm a mason-cop. I investigated Battle Mage last night and got a Not Guilty result. This, combined with the flavor on the second night kill (and one last piece of role-based information that my mason friends already know and that I do not want to reveal at this point) is making me increasingly suspicious of Skruffs at this point in time.

I will think over revealing the last piece of information. I may have more questions to ask first.

Ok, this claim is a tad confusing. You are a Mason-Cop right? then what was all that about finding connections between people? I thought you were breadcrumbing Tracker or something.
As for your mason buddies, do you have confirmation of their innocence?
oh and i'm also a bit confused as to how your mason group works. Are you a mason-trio, or do you have 2 individual mason partners?
Other than that, i'm pretty happy. Its probably better that i'm confirmed sooner rather than later anyway, so people dont waste their food.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not willing to count out Godfather, but I'll hold my fire for now. Thanks, Tar- that information is very useful. BM, it seems I *may* owe you an apology. However, I still think Skruffs is town. Your points against him have been poor, and I think y'all need to bury the hatchet- in scum.

lol this is the shittest logic i've seen all day (and in 12 games, that's pretty bad). It bugs me when, once someone gets confirmed innocent by the Cop, they become a prime candidate for Godfather, when mathematically, they are no more likely to be the Godfather than anyone else in the game. The only difference is, obviously with a maximum of 1 Godfather possibly in the game, the odds of me being any kind of anti-town role are significantly slimmer than anyone elses.
Oh and i think commenting on a potential GF is stupid, as the presence of one is easily confirmable once we hit a scumbag.
I dont want an apology from you. If you're town, you dont have to apologise for making a mistake. If you're scum, any apology would be hollow and meaningless anyway.
An apology from Skruffs would be nice though, as i resent his attitude towards me in this game. You dont have to apologise for attacking me, but an apology for generally insulting me would be appreciated.
I've already said i believe that i'm willing to bet my life on Skruffs being scum. Of course, this has backfired for me in the past, but at worst, he is by far and away the best kill today. At best, he is 100% certain to be scum, and should be killed asap. No offence, but my points against Skruffs have been good. I'm not a natural as far as cases go, but i'm pretty happy with the case on Skruffs as being sufficient to lynch with.
Your CONTINUED defence of him is noted.

BM

[Battle Mage]

"Oh Dear Skruffy. Caught in another lie? Because, according to my recollection, you gave me no less than 8 BB notes yesterday, claiming that not all of them were real. Now, either you were lying there, and have more than 8 BB notes, which i find extremely hard to believe, or you are lying now, in an attempt to scare people into not offending you.
Nice try, but i'm happy for you to hit me with any BB notes you have, scum. :p"

Battle Mage obviously has no idea how bad behavior notes work. He seems to think I have a finite supply of bad behavior notes, which, if he really had them (as he pretended to have done yesterday by giving me one) he would know, that is nto the truth.

Are you claiming to have an infinite supply of BB Notes?
If so, please be clear, so we can LAL your ass.

Tarhalindur, your sanity (if you are the cop) is nto guaranteed, and I am surprised you would put yourself at risk by claiming yourself rather than having one of your mason partners fake claim with your actual results instead.

That is assuming that his mason partners are vanilla, which i find particularly unlikely.

Battle Mage. *YOU* started this shit fest, and I'm not going to apologize for trying to play a game that you don't seem to be capable of taking seriously. My attitude towards you soured around the time you started acting imbecilic, and I am pretty sure you are aware of that. If you want to be cooed over for pooping yourself, there are lots of websites dedicated to exactly that sort of thing. Go find them.

Grow up. This is a game that we are all here to play. I dont care if you have a bad day and you out yourself as scum. Thats the way it goes, and hopefully you will learn better for the future. I'm not responding to the rest of the bait here. Suffice to say, its pretty damn ironic that you criticise my play, even when your short-sightedness has been revealed, and when i have at worst, done the same as you, and potentially managed to push pressure on a scumbag.

Gorrad - False dilemma. Why do you think that Battle Mage being town makes me scum?

I knew you'd try and use this defence at some point. I'd say its pretty obvious. Lets look at the facts:

I'm certain you are scum.
You claim to be certain i am scum.
My alignment is proven to be protown.
Hence at least it should give alot more credibility to my meta-analysis of you, and hopefully, if people have any faith in my scumdar whatsoever, you will be killed.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not going to comment on the majority of this post. All that needs to be said is, FOR THE LAST F**KING TIME-

BB NOTES ARE NOT A ROLE!

You clearly don't have a clue about this game, and its reflected in your hilariously inconsistent claim.

but i would like to comment further on this:

That said, Gorrad said yesterday that if I was town, BM was likely scum, and that he believed my claim, now he is saying that I am likely scum because BM is supposedly town. He's trying to get either of us killed, which suggests that he is scum and thinks we are both town.

Gorrad hasnt said that atall. In fact, i believe he said the opposite-he maintained that despite me being town, that you were town too. GG overdefensive! And not that it matters, but your logic sucks. Even if Gorrad was scum, and you were town, why would he THINK anything about our alignments. He would surely just KNOW.

BM

[Battle Mage]

No, in fact I am saying the exact opposite. The ONLY reason I'm not still fighting BM is the cop result, although your sanity point is valid (especially considering cheerleaders). I find you town. I have not said otherwise. In fact, I said in my last post 'However, I still think Skruffs is town.' I believe one of these to be true, on order of likelyhood (most to least).

1. Bad read on Tar's part
2. Skruffs and BM both townies
3. BM Godfather
4. Skruffs is scum

I'm more than willing to put that down as a misread on your part, Skruffs. There's no way you could twist what I said to mean what you meant, so you misread.

lol why so keen to avoid confontation with Skruffs? You are reaching way too far in order to defend his scumminess...

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM always thinks he is right

As does Skruffs.

and has no problem trying to ruin/sabotage/otherwise manipulate a game to do so.

It bugs me when you come out with BS like this. Only the most pompous arrogant sod could claim that pushing of a lynch on them is the equivalent of sabotaging a game. You need to at least consider looking up the definitions of these words, or alternatively, just stick to ones you understand.

He will continue to press my lynch for absolutely no reason except through baiting and otherwise harranging me until I am dead and revealed as town

WIFOM and appeal to Emotion. I'm not sure what 'harranging' is, but your failure to acknowledge ANY of your scummy play is the last nail in the coffin as far as im concerned.

in which case he will say "oh golly gee", and pick another (probably random) player to make the game an absolutely unpleasant experience for.

Oh my GOD. Get over yourself! This is Mafia, and in Mafia, you get lynched. Since when did Skruffs throw a hissy fit every time he came under some pressure? And whats more, since when was Skruffs so emotionally affected by a case, which he claims, doesnt exist.

He seems to be begging for more notes, and I have no problem loading him up just to stop him from fishing.

You're bluffing. Fire away kiddo.

I think it's *interesting* that he thinks there can only be one godfather, presumably he is sure that there is only one mafia group in a 23 player game, which is very surprising. I am not twisting words, this is something that BM said himself.

I'm not going to assume 2 scumgroups at the start of the game. More likely, we have 1 mafia group, and either an SK or Vig. But, all setup speculation aside, if we're going to be pedantic, you can edit my comment about the Godfather from 'one in the game' to 'one per mafia team in the game'.
Just out of interest, what gives you such a strong impression that we are dealing with 2 mafia groups?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Pretty much everything you have said is scummy (Like saying I never claimed, when you claimed RIGHT AFTER I DID)

Thats not scummy-it's a fact. You STILL havent claimed a role. I wonder why that could be?

You have admitted that you are simply baiting me. Your case is nothing but baiting and goading.

Yes, because obviously my main objective in any game is to have a pathetic argument with someone on the opposing side, the result being that he doesnt get lynched.
I think you are seeing my case as 'baiting' because it provokes an emotive reaction from you. You are a classic example of someone reacting overdefensively, and trying desperately to play down the case against them. I can understand that you are unable to see the bigger picture, but dont think that means anyone else is the same.

Now you want an apology from me, and that, to me, just sounds like more goading and baiting. You are not taking this game seriously.

Of course i want an apology from you. You've been downright rude this game, and i dont think that is acceptable, whether you are scum or town. This is a game and we all play to win, but equally there is no need to make personal, and offensive comments towards others. Its just not acceptable imo. You say it is me not taking the game seriously, but i think its more a case of you being totally out of order, and me trying not to rise to it.

I actually pointed out some pretty heavy points about you counterclaiming yourself

Lol, you wish! I'm not going to reiterate once more why this is BS, but it involves the words:

ROLE, NOTES, AREN'T, BB and YOUR.

and outright lying about having bad behavior notes, and instead of responding, you are focussing on whining about my play.

Ive responded to these lame criticisms several times already. I havent lied about having BB notes. I'd say you should be more concerned about the fact that whilst everyone else will have a FINITE number of BB notes, you are claiming to have an INFINITE number. In other words, you are claiming to be able to stamp hundreds of BB notes on everyone, every day. Yet, only yesterday you gave me 8 BB notes, and said "Not all of these are real".

SO WHICH IS IT? Do you have less than 8 BB notes, or over a million?
And WHY THE F**K HAVEN'T WE LYNCHED YOU YET!?

I originally thought maybe he took all of the notes I gave BM and it was enough to cause him to be fired, or something, but when I Was making the list up above I noticed that JDodge and skitzer are not on the alive ilst but the silent speaker is. So I thought bad behavior notes *might* result in a temporary suspension. But since TSS wasn't given any, I guess that theory doesn't hold water.

I dont understand this atall...

[Battle Mage]

Were you planning on actually doing something about lynching Skruffs, since you want it so badly?

yup. I was just reading more of Traditional Mafia. I'll throw something as soon as i remember what food i have, and i can get others to check in and throw stuff aswell. There is f all point me throwing my food at Skruffs if nobody else is going to, and we have to settle for a sub-par lynch.


BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm now convinced that skruffs and BM know something about each other that they're not saying.

You know, I would be completely and utterly unsurprised if this conclusion is correct, and would go further and say that they probably both know something about Jordan as well.

Battle Mage, Skruffs - if you do know something about each other that isn't thread related, please spit it out (especially if it involves Jordan or Aimee as well). I'd like to be able to break the setup in half, if you don't mind.

lol i dont know what you're getting at here. What would i possibly know about Skruffs that wasnt thread related, that would have any relevance here?
And no, i dont know anything about Jordan or Aimee either in case you were wondering.

The only important knowledge i have about Skruffs is that he is scum. Meta-knowledge if you like. What are you trying to hint at?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, you obviously don't have meta-knowledge on me, because I'm not scum. So if you think you have a meta on me, you are wrong. I actually respect metas to a degree, but you do not have any. I actually successfully (I think) used a meta on you earlier day one and then you went batcrazy and started 'over compensating' by acting like the LArger than Life BM that I mentioned seemed to be missing, which was, to me, more likely a sign of you being scum.When you immediately dropped the guise, and went after me (and have continued to go after me nonstop to the exclusion of payign attention to other players, which is also scum tell), and that's been your 'Plan' ever sense.

Unfortunately you have rendered your own argument invalid here. By claiming that a meta only exists if it is on scum, and then claiming one on me is a stupid statement, because it makes the assumption that i am scum, before the meta itself is brought into play.

Lowell, Tarhalindur, All I know about BM is that he has NO idea what he's takling about regarding the bad behavior notes

It concerns me that no-one has picked up on this yet. Me and Skruffs have both claimed BB notes, and have both claimed different mechanics for them. Thus 1 of us MUST be lying, and hence, scum. As i've been cop-confirmed, it makes absolute sense to lynch Skruffs today, because even if he came up town, you would know that i was scum.

and that he is WILDLY fishing in the guise of making assertions that are not true and asking if anyone will back him up. Everyone else goes "Uh, hmm," and he chalks it up. He's fishing. Hard core. He would NOT answer Sir T's question about his alignment.

Lies and more lies eh Skruffs? Again, it doesnt take a genius to go back and read my posts and find the inconsistency in Skruffs' comments.

Now he's demanding that I role claim. Tell me, Tarhalindur - Do *you* have a 'role' to claim, or do you have a Name, some flavor text, and perhaps some abilities (with explanation)???

Um, how long have you been playing Mafia?
Role = Ability... FOOL.

BM's contradictions on himself regarding what is what, his alignment, what he thinks about my claiming, EVERYTHING, indicates that he has NO ideaq what he is talking about. I was the first person (I think) to claim who I was in this game, and he immediately followed right after wards with a similar claim, whil saying that mine is likely scum. When SIR T asked who he was affiliated with earlier, he said "Pro-town, obv", after refusing to.

Wait a sec. So withholding information is scummy, and trying to extract information is also scummy?
And failure to claim immediately is scummy when i do it, but for you its a completely different ball game right?
I CANNOT believe i'm hearing this...

Now he is trying to get more information. More. And you seem to be, instead of calling him out on oit, or being curious, you BOTH seem to be trying to goad him into launching food at me. Hmm.

What do you have to hide?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Is Skruffs food-worthy ?

yes.

[Battle Mage]

Ok i've finished chewing. Response time.

BM, you obviously don't have meta-knowledge on me, because I'm not scum. So if you think you have a meta on me, you are wrong. I actually respect metas to a degree, but you do not have any. I actually successfully (I think) used a meta on you earlier day one and then you went batcrazy and started 'over compensating' by acting like the LArger than Life BM that I mentioned seemed to be missing, which was, to me, more likely a sign of you being scum.When you immediately dropped the guise, and went after me (and have continued to go after me nonstop to the exclusion of payign attention to other players, which is also scum tell), and that's been your 'Plan' ever sense.

Unfortunately you have rendered your own argument invalid here. By claiming that a meta only exists if it is on scum, and then claiming one on me is a stupid statement, because it makes the assumption that i am scum, before the meta itself is brought into play.

You are saying I am scum based on meta knowledge.
Since I am NOT SCUm, your meta knowledge is flawed. How did you interpret that to mean that "Only scum can have metas?" Point dismissed.

Thats WIFOM and shitlogic, and you know it. Can you please put a bit of effort into this at least. Ya know, i like to feel a sense of achievement when i help lynch scum, but your current play is making the whole thing way too easy. Equally, i'll reiterate that this point renders the vast majority of your argument against me, irrelevant.

Lowell, Tarhalindur, All I know about BM is that he has NO idea what he's takling about regarding the bad behavior notes

It concerns me that no-one has picked up on this yet. Me and Skruffs have both claimed BB notes, and have both claimed different mechanics for them. Thus 1 of us MUST be lying, and hence, scum. As i've been cop-confirmed, it makes absolute sense to lynch Skruffs today, because even if he came up town, you would know that i was scum.

Ooooh!
Tell me again how the bad behavior notes work, again, BM?
Let me show you how mine work.
I get a set number every morning. If I don't use them, I continue to have the same number the next morning. If I use them, I still have the same number each morning.

Give Eight Bad Behavior Notes to Battle Mage

You are A) Taking the cop at face value and encouraging the town to do the same.
B) Creating a false dilemma (since he has a claimed inspection on me, skruffs is the obv scum) and
C) Contradicting yourself. I mean, you kind of just ignore all the cases of contradiction I've already given you instead to spout out inane babble against me - and congratulations! it seems to be working, if the asking if it's okay to lynch me-talk that is coming up is working. Also:
D) You don't seem to have any sense of introspection, which, UNLIKE your play in Mafia 61, as town, seems to show up in ONE form or another.
You *were* being a little more level headed until I said that might be a scum tell - in which case you devolved. So why don't you tell us: Do you intentionally act scummy more as town or as scum?

Ok, i will. I was given a number of BB notes at the start of the game. I dont get them refilled every day or whatever you seem to be claiming, hence me being conservative with them. Now personally i'm not seeing someone who claims to have a finite number of BB notes on Day 1, miraculously ending up with respawning BB notes by Day 2. It just strikes me as a bit strange. Plus, i'm not even convinced you have BB notes full stop-due to your obvious inability to comprehend how they work.

Now, lets look at your 4 points shall we?
A. Ok, a guy has claimed cop, with an innocent on me. Its kind of what i've been waiting for, so why would i be either surprised, or reluctant to believe? Obviously he isnt confirmed innocent, but its hardly something we're going to lynch him over. And besides, even IF Tar turned out to be scum, would that have any reflection on my affiliation?

B. Like i dont push that sort of false dilemma whenever i can. Hell, like YOU wouldn't.
C. Is this meant to be a case against me, or a last stab at appealing to the emotion of the majority? Seriously man, do you expect me to believe that a townie would play so damn shoddily, and then as his defence, BEG to be spared?
D. I dont know what 'introspection' means, but if i needed to say this again, i do NOT intentionally act scummy as town OR scum (except in 1 instance where it was a funny way to start the game) lol

and that he is WILDLY fishing in the guise of making assertions that are not true and asking if anyone will back him up. Everyone else goes "Uh, hmm," and he chalks it up. He's fishing. Hard core. He would NOT answer Sir T's question about his alignment.

Lies and more lies eh Skruffs? Again, it doesnt take a genius to go back and read my posts and find the inconsistency in Skruffs' comments.

Right, because reading your posts will provide instances where I am inconsistent. AS compared to... OH.... I dunno... the person who actually wrote them.

Yes, because fibbing is an inconsistency.

Now he's demanding that I role claim. Tell me, Tarhalindur - Do *you* have a 'role' to claim, or do you have a Name, some flavor text, and perhaps some abilities (with explanation)???

Um, how long have you been playing Mafia?
Role = Ability... FOOL.

And you don't have an ability, apparently, or you have reason to think that the bad behavior notes are not ability related at all. Which is wrong. I've claimed. Y ou apparently, HAVEN'T. Or at least, haven't correctly.
Your gambit FAILED.

ROFL. I'm not going to go over old ground again. I've claimed directly and clearly. You

seem

to have made a vague claim, but it does beg the question why you could not claim normally, like you do elsewhere?

BM's contradictions on himself regarding what is what, his alignment, what he thinks about my claiming, EVERYTHING, indicates that he has NO ideaq what he is talking about. I was the first person (I think) to claim who I was in this game, and he immediately followed right after wards with a similar claim, whil saying that mine is likely scum. When SIR T asked who he was affiliated with earlier, he said "Pro-town, obv", after refusing to.

Wait a sec. So withholding information is scummy, and trying to extract information is also scummy?
And failure to claim immediately is scummy when i do it, but for you its a completely different ball game right?
I CANNOT believe i'm hearing this...

???
You shouldn't be fishing for h ow bad behavior notes, Battle Mage, if you have them. If you actually have them, you know what they are. You don't. If you had them, but didn't have all the information, why would you assume that other players WOULD? WHy would you only get notes but not have any idea what they do, whereas someone else would get bad behavior notes AND know what they do? No. You didn't get bad behavior notes. You lied about them in an attempt to 'hook' information about how they work and what they are from the town. And that's pretty obvious. TO me. Nobody else is interested enough to look, apparently, and that's fine. I really don' twant to play a game with lobotomized sheep, especially if they are following *YOU*.

Lawl. I've said what BB notes do. You've said something completely different. Hence one of us is scum. I'm cop confirmed innocent, and you aren't. Thus, we lynch you today, and if you come up town, tomorrow we lynch either Tar or I. Is that so hard to understand? Or would you rather us lobotomized sheep repeat this over and over again, because that seems to be the only way things ever sink into your head.

Now he is trying to get more information. More. And you seem to be, instead of calling him out on oit, or being curious, you BOTH seem to be trying to goad him into launching food at me. Hmm.

What do you have to hide?

BM

BM - aren't you curious why Erg0 asked you when you were going to try and get me lynched? Doesn't that strike you as strangely passive? No? I didn't think so.

Chew on that for a while.

No, i dont find Erg0's comment particularly odd in itself. Or are you pointing out the non-commitalness of his play?

Yup, finished chewing. I'm glad you recognise how hard i find it to swallow your bogus logic, sometimes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I was worried due to an allergy, I thought we had cleared that up already. I think the bickering's either between two townies, or, more likely, BM is scum who avoided detection (I figure if anyone could do that, it's be a librarian or a principal). Either way, he has been majorly rolefishing, and I'm confident that he's been lying about BB notes. Plus, would you really trust a cheerleader's gossip?

Throw five gummi bears at BM

. I'll keep some still for later.

This is incredibly weak reasoning. Talk about the irony of Skruffs's comments, i think we have our only lobotomized sheep here.

Tell me, where have i been rolefishing? Because as far as i can see, the only way you could possibly have got this impression, is if you are following Skruffs blindly.

Oh and while i'm here, why would i be lying about the BB notes. The way i see it, its my word against Skruffs's, unless we have a Bastard Mod. So, is there any real reason you've chosen to take the word of someone who is unconfirmed, and acting ridiculously scummy, over someone who is

COP CONFIRMED INNOCENT

.

OMFG, your ignorance is frustrating.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bm, you were expecting to draw the cop's investigation last night? Why? Were youintentionally acting scummy so as to draw it? Or are you suggesting that you appear scummy when you are actually protown? If so, then why would you intentionally fish for an investigation by attacking people who pick up on your town-scumvibes?

Or, to be succint, why were you expecting to be investigated over me, if I'm obv scum?


You slipped, again.only apparently, your slips were intentional.

Of course i was expecting 1 of 2 things to happen. The Cop would investigate me, or he would investigate you. If he investigated me, i'd be confirmed, and we could concentrate on lynching you. If he investigated you, we'd lynch you, and hopefully that'd give me some credibility. So either way, i was hoping the cop would be able to shed some light on the situation.

BM

[Battle Mage]

And why exactly does you being investigated as town make Skruffykins scum?

because he is claiming totally different mechanics for the same item.

[Battle Mage]

Hey guys! I am replacing BM

MOD: what is the purpose of throwing food?

news to me lol.

[Battle Mage]

lol i know, i was jk.

[Battle Mage]

lol im enjoying reading Vollkan's analysis. I'm guessing you are making this analysis AS YOU READ amirite?
A bit of advice might be to provide a little less rewriting of the thread, and a little more of your own opinions on whats happened.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Interesting that BM criticizes Vollkan's rehashing of stuff without commenting on the stuff itself. *shrugs*

*flick french fry at battle mage*

i dont understand this post atall. Please can you paraphrase it or something, because i cant see any sense coming out of it, in its current form.

@Fonz-your comments regarding the Skruffs wagon and his play are ludicrous. I mean, please get your facts straight for a start. Skruffs claimed Dinnerlady, BEFORE finding out that the Dinnerlady worked in place where people were being killed. Weak defence much?

I actually cant believe that Skruffs isnt dead yet. IS NOBODY LISTENING TO THE FACT THAT HIS CLAIM OF THE MECHANICS OF HIS ROLE MAKE NO SENSE, AND HAVE BEEN COUNTERED BY MYSELF, THUS ONE OF US HAS TO BE SCUM, AND I'M COP CONFIRMED INNOCENT?


BM

[Battle Mage]

a piece of Pooky? rofl

[Battle Mage]

A piece of POCKY, retard.

*shoots a copy of

Reading for Dummies

at BM*

lol thats ironic.

GOING, GOING, GONE.

Jordan knows what i'm talking about.

BM

[Battle Mage]

In order of self-percieved likeliness:

A) bm could be mafia and tarhalindur is insane

B) bm could be godfather and either tar Really investigated him and then put himself at risk for no reason by 'clearing him', or tar is claiming cop knowing that if bm does die it still looks good for him (more likely)

C) bm is a jester that shows up as pro-town on investigations but is still trying to get himself lynched, creating a false dichotomy so that if I do get lynched and show up town, he gets lynched the next day

D) both me and bm could be townies, but bm has no clue what he's talking about in regards to alignment, role, abilities, behavior notes, and win conditions.

E) perhaps since the caeteria is 'my turf', I have more bad behvavior notes than bm, who is 'visiting'.

Note: bm, instead of talking about current topics, continually falls back on 'he's scum'. Much like how certain politicians use certain events to avoid having to answer questions at a press conference, bm has onesole thing in mind.

Ok ok, i admit it. I definitely Lol'd at this bit.
You find the possibility of Tar lying, and actually not being a cop, to be LESS likely than him being INSANE?

As a note, i dont think E makes sense, much as you would like it to. This isnt a case of you having 'more' BB notes, you seem to have INFINITE BB notes.

Bm, make a promise to me: if you sucessfully get me lynched and it turnsout I wasn't lying, you will voluntarily help lynch yourself tomorrow because ifyou're not scum, I am, in your own words, and I want to push yor flawed, stupid, idiotic reasoning to the next step and make you eat your own words. If I am town, you are scum, agreed?

Please keep up. I suggested this about 15 pages ago.
I am certain you are scum. If you die and come up town, i wont resist my subsequent lynch.

Note: I would never do this to anyone in any game but if bm's acting this way intentionally - and he hasn't denied this - then I want him to be held to it. Town will do better with a dead bm, regardless of his alignment.

um so you are suggesting this not because you think i am scum, but because you'd like to see me die for personal reasons. Lol.

[Battle Mage]

@Fonz-your comments regarding the Skruffs wagon and his play are ludicrous. I mean, please get your facts straight for a start. Skruffs claimed Dinnerlady, BEFORE finding out that the Dinnerlady worked in place where people were being killed. Weak defence much?



BM

BM, one question, are you really this stupid? IF HE WERE THE FREAKING SK, HE'D KNOW WHAT THE SK'S KILL METHOD LOOKED LIKE, WOULDN'T HE?

um no. Name me one game where the SK has, in his role pm, recieved his own kill method implicitly.

I sure as hell havent seen that before.

BM

[Battle Mage]

D) both me and bm could be townies, but bm has no clue what he's talking about in regards to alignment, role, abilities, behavior notes, and win conditions.

I'm inclined to believe this one.

BM, I have a request. Pretend Skruffs isn't in the game, and give support *any* support to another lynch candidate. There isn't just one scum in this game - and even if Skruffs is (which I believe he isn't) there are more avenues to research.

This argument between Skruffs and BM has been seriously dangerous for the town. It's allowed other people to act scummy without recrimination. It's created a huge distraction to ACTUAL scum hunting. It's led to the claiming of the cop unreasonably early. It's completely stopped the throwing of food (bad, IMO). It's gotten us dangerously close to deadline TWICE, with no actual lynch we decided upon under a real town consensus the first time.

We have 10 days. With no cop counterclaim, no one is going to actually kill BM. With no reasonable argument against him, no one is going to actually kill Skruffs. Let's look for other good candidates - like ABR for example.

Skruffs- you forgot options F: You both are scum and are making a master plan to create dissention to avoid lynches while keeping the town disorganized.

This is frigging ridiculous. I officially hate this game atm.
I'm going to lurk for a while unless Skruffs is willing to put himself forward in the way he suggested earlier.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The game hates you too.

evidently.

[Battle Mage]

Grawr!

always knew you were a pussy...


...



...





Cat.

[Battle Mage]

Exactly Fonz. He gets his BB notes respawned each day. In other words, an unlimited number (assuming he has any in the first place).

But whatever. Its obv Skruffs isnt going to be lynched until we get to endgame, and you guys wake up and smell the coffee. At least i can say i did my best.

Im not sure there is a great deal of point me looking for other scummy players. If what i say is ignored when i'm confirmed innocent, and absolutely 100% certain of someone being scum, with setup verification of this, i dont see how me making a case against anyone else is going to be any different. I'm going to take a step back from this game for a while. If there is a compelling case for someone else being scum, i'll throw my lunchbox at them. If not, it goes on Skruffs as a matter of principle. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM- your suggestions aren't being ignored. We've explained why we think your arguments are bad. If you're THAT convinced Skruffs is scum, take a look for who you think his buddies might be. Because I'm more convinced that he isn't SK than you are that he is antitown.

Why would we JUST be hunting for an SK?

A set number every day

is not

the same as an unlimited number, in any way, shape or form. I take it from this you are claiming to have begun the game with a set number to use for the entire game?

Affirmative.

[Battle Mage]

Have you not been reading the arguments? BM's case is full of shit, he's claiming different BBN rules than Skruffs, and he said he had a win condition when others, myself included, did not. I don't care what Tar said, the logic against him is just too overwhelming. He could be insane, he could be scum, he could have been mixed up. Any of those I would not be surprised to be true of a cheerleader. Plus, cheerleader/mason? That's a pretty OP role, I'd expect a limitation. There are too many factors for me to be sure of Tar's accuracy. I stand by my BM-is-scum statement.

OMFG. Could you BE any more full of s**t?

1. Yes i've claimed different BBN rules than Skruffs. In my mind, that makes one of us scum. Tell me, do you have any role-related reason to support Skruffs's claim here? (yes i know this is fishing, but may aswell kill 2 scumbags with 1 stone)

2. I never said i had a win condition, but when you've played as many games as i have, you tend to realise what your win condition is without quoting your role pm. Try reading better pl0x.

3. You think Tar MIGHT be insane/scumbuddy to BM? rofl
I dont know how you managed to conclude that Tar under no pressure whatsoever, would bail me out for the sake of buying me a day or 2 more, and suiciding himself. GG irrational.

BM

[Battle Mage]

post 951 and 952 are scummy. Post 960 is full of DBZ win!
Post 965 is a relatively reasonable claim from Fonz, even if his innocent on Skruffs is surpising. Post 966 is poor metagaming on the part of ABR.
ABR's claim is clearly BS, and he is obviously town. I'm not exactly convinced of Fonz being scum either, but of the two, he is a better play.

Anyone trying to lynch ABR is a retard. That means:

Yamahako
Gorrad

Lets see if i can remember what i have in the old Lunchbox.

Hurl Knackwurst at Gorrad

Pour bowl of Sauerkraut onto the lap of Gorrad

Detonate 12 Prunes into the scummy face of Gorrad

Now, THAT, kids, is how you 'Alpha Strike'.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, those were not the only two attacking ABR...

they were the most recent two, and hence the ones i noticed on my reread. If you can direct me to instances where others attacked ABR with large amounts of food, due to his claim, please do.

thanks,
BM

[Battle Mage]

My role links me to no other players, you very clearly stated that you had a win condition, and I put Tar-scum as only one of the options. Furthermore, if you think ABR's claim is BS, why the hell would he be town! Seriously, there's no way you're not scum!

Are you a F$£KING MORON!?!?!?

Do you have any idea who ABR is?!

I'll tell you, because you are obviously new around these parts. ABR is just about the worst protown player imaginable. Hell, he's got a worse reputation than even ME! He regularly lies as town, in order to make his argument more persuasive. In fact, having not seen ABR do this as scum (if i'm wrong here, please show me a game where he has) i'm going to regard it as a firm town-tell, simply because thats ABR's protown play.
If he wrote a book on scumhunting, it would consist of 2 chapters:

1. Find someone who looks slightly scummy.
2. Find some way of getting them lynched-no matter what.

Its pretty obvious that ABR is lying, but that definitely doesnt mean that he is scum. IT MEANS THAT HE IS TYPICAL ALBERT B. RAMPAGE.

There's an absolutely perfect example of this, but unfortunately the game is ongoing, and i cant reference it. However lots of people here have half-decent meta's of ABR, and should be able to tell you the exact same thing as me. I'm currently 99% sure of ABR's innocence. I'm even more confident of that, than of Skruffs being scum!

Gorrad on the other hand, is not only a total tunnelvisioned fool, but is also blatantly scummy, and the longer he lives, the dumber we look.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, anyone want to back this up? You're right, I've only played one game with ABR, and that one had no roles to claim. If others can back you up on this, I'm willing to let that point against you and him drop, but my other points are more than enough for me to recognise you as scum.

lol i like the way you accidentally used the plural. As fas as i can tell, you only have 1 supposed 'point' against me, and that is the fact that Tarhalindur MIGHT be insane, or i MIGHT be a Godfather.

I have to say, you're worth your weight in comedy gold, but as far as hunting mafia games, you arent fooling anyone.

BM

[Battle Mage]

1. The difference in BB notes

2. The win condition

3. The craplogic/ad hominem attacks

4. You say 'I'm not exactly convinced of Fonz being scum either, but of the two, he is a better play.' If you think ABR's a bad player, why do you agree with him about Fonz? So far, all I can see against Fonz is that ABR counterclaimed, which you yourself said was BS.


I have more, but those are off the top of my head. I've been arguing against you for pages, far before the Tar claim even came up. You're by far the scummiest player here. If you aren't lynched tommorow (since it's fairly obvious people agree with me about ABR today) I will be sorely disappointed.

1. Does not prove that i am scum. Proves that either Skruffs or I are scum.
2. Misconstruing my wording maketh not a good case. Arguing semantics over a discussion about role-pms, WHICH ARE NOT GOING TO BE GAME BREAKING IN ANY CASE, does not prove anything.
3. Please explain-this is a new one.
4. A fair point, but in actuality, I am CERTAIN that ABR is town. Yeah, he can be incredibly irritating at times, but its not completely out of this world that he might be right once in a while. Have i thrown food at Fonz? No, because he's claimed an investigative role, and he sounds pretty believable. But that doesnt mean he is confirmed town. The only case i can see against Fonz is his dubious attempt to defend Skruffs, which is basically nothing, hence me NOT THROWING FOOD AT HIM.

You have more? Please keep them coming, kiddo.
You arent going to win any recognition or awards if all you do is say that people are scum, and dont back it up with evidence. As for people agreeing with you about ABR, dont be RIDICULOUS. Only 1 person has even responded, and he agreed with me. rofl.
Any chance of you coming back to Earth before the end of the day?

I'll give you some free advice, which ought to be given to me more often tbh.
Take a little break from the game. Just a few days without thinking about it. Then come back, and with an open mind, read through again. You'll be amazed what can be found when you take a step back.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, those were not the only two attacking ABR...

they were the most recent two, and hence the ones i noticed on my reread. If you can direct me to instances where others attacked ABR with large amounts of food, due to his claim, please do.

thanks,
BM

Myself.

Ok, add Flameaxe to the list ftr, though in fairness, he was at least honest about his opportunism. BBM, please tell me what your view is of ABR from a meta context?

BM

[Battle Mage]

He's a retard that sometimes lets his ego get in the way of actually playing the game. He's also sometimes a jackass, but that doesn't bother me for (what should be) obvious reasons.

My 'alpha strike' was not affected by a meta of any sort, only his counterclaim and the way he is currently pursuing it.

Do you think Albert is the sort of person who would fakeclaim as town in order to make a point?
or even better, have you ever seen him do this?

BM

[Battle Mage]

But if he fakeclaims as town, how does that make Fonz more scummy?

umm, I am convinced ABR is town. Im not certain Fonz is town. Hence Fonz is more scummy than ABR.

[Battle Mage]

You can not prove that I've lied, not that I did.

no i cant, but get real Albert. I

KNOW

YOU. This claim is total bull in order to get Fonz lynched, because you genuinely think he is scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Um, no...my claim doesn't even contradict Fonz's role, because there might be two fat kids. But the way he said it, I am THE fat kid, that's different.

Have you claimed an actual NAME for your character?

[Battle Mage]

Millie K. Fatinger

would it be coincidence that this has the word 'fat' in it?
interesting also that you never mentioned before that your character was female-something i might have considered noteworthy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

and also that Millie K sounds alot like Milk, which you claim to be allergic to. Nice try ABR, but a bit transparent. lol

[Battle Mage]

Bm, did you ever say.you had a meta on me? Didn't you disparage the meta I had on you 'as town'?
Couldn't abr (as scum) 'fake' the town meta of him fake claiming a role? Does he usually push a fake claim to his death as town?

Ooh lots of questions.
1. I think i have a pretty decent meta on you.
2. I dont know what you mean by 'disparage'.
3. Yes, its possible, but seeing as we are dealing with ABR here, i'm pretty sure he isn't that bright, and certainly not that skilled at replicating his play as town. (no offence ABR)
4. I'd go with 'yes' for this.

And yes, i'm quite willing to volunteer for ABR's alleged dairy launch. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay,

I am willing to lynch either ABR or the Fonz today. I think lynching one of them would be our best bet. I am thinking that ABR is more scum like of the two.

Tar - Do you get your investigation result before or after you are allowed to talk to your mason buddies?

Mod: In theory, if an insane cop was to die in this game, through whatever means, could you tell us what his/her role name would be stated as upon death?

Also, I know this is highly hypocritical of me to be the one to ask this but could you prod VitR again please. I'd like to know that he is here and has seen the latest few posts

Right now I am of the thought that both BM and Skruffs could be town.
But at the same time I have an eerie odd thought that one might be scum (skruff) and one SK (BM)

I am keeping a close eye on Gorrad, I'm not getting a great feeling from him.

it also seems that we have got a lot of pointless argueing/stray comments in this thread.

vollkan > I am loving your posts, but one minor detail I cought I think you claimed that TAR claimed cop/vig which isn't true.

I also definately believe we will have a lot to think about this coming night regardless of who we lynch here today.

I'm not a great fan of this post. You claim that ABR is a good play, ignoring our intense meta discussion on him. Then you claim that you think Skruffs and i could both be scum, despite thinking we both look town. Finally you seem to be neutral on Gorrad. Yup, i'm not liking this post 1 bit.

[Battle Mage]

Note: the peas didn't do anything yesterday.
Today they might do visible damage, and tomorrow they most likely do even more. Damage is based on weight*percentage, or some formula to that. As players are eliminated, percentage will go up.

The fonz, I have claimed. I've claimed ( I think ), everything there is to claim about my role, yesterday. My name is (for all intents and purposes) "the lunchlady".

I think bm was asking for my name yestrday, too.

hmm, thats interesting. Because my name is not 'the librarian'. My character has an actual name (i cant remember off the top of my head, but if necessary ill get the mod to resend me my role pm).

Oh and that wasnt what i have been asking you for. I was, and still am, waiting for an actual role claim.

@Skruffs-ofc, ABR is not going to admit to lying now, is he?

[Battle Mage]

One pea, probably not.
Multiple, maybe!

Bm: that's very strange, because I did a full role claim. You seem to think bb notes do not count as a role, and you have a name, which I do not, and which the secretary did not.
Hmmmmmmmm. I guess the secretary was a death miller, amirite, because you have a name ad thus all staff should? Even though no other staff seems to except you?
What's your 'role name' again, if it's not vbbnote distributor or librarian?

No you didnt. BB notes are not a role. Nuff said. What is your ROLE, excluding the BB notes?

My role is vanilla. Im sure i already said that a while back, but meh.
And yes, i have an actual character name, as have most claimants so far i believe.

@Nightfall- Id say ABR would try the gambit if he was about 75% sure, in real terms. But tbh, who knows how his mind works!? Suffice to say, i think ABR genuinely thinks Fonz is scum, and wanted to try and assure himself of this, and push the lynch of his choice, with his claim.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ Jordan- much as i agree with your comment about Mneme, was it wise to waste your food there?

[Battle Mage]

2 expulsions and 2 'head bashings'?

[Battle Mage]

I think you're right. It hadnt occurred to me that no one was keeping a bandwagon count. But since you thought of it you get to do the first one

Yeah, Fonz probably misread I think or wasnt clear. People dont always read their PMs closely.

On battlemage, yes. I agree with the suspiciousness. He's actually administration (if librarian counts) and Tar has some 'splainin' to do (although I think he's pretty much a confirmed mason now). And BM's bad behavior notes didnt match. But I reserve judgement - and food - for now. Awaiting Tar. Wakey Wakey Eggs and Bakey.

Oh yeah i forgot to say about that. When we went into night, i asked the Mod to clarify whether my pms respawned on a daily basis, and found out that they do.
So sorry about the confusion there.

Anyway, i'd like to think Tar has an investigation result on Skruffs for our viewing pleasure.

BM

[Battle Mage]

AND YET YOU WANTED ME TO BE LYNCHED FOR CORRECTLY STATING THE MECHANICS FOR BAD BEHAVIOR NOTES?!

WHY DID YOU NOT CHECK THIS YESTERDAY?!!?!

slam frenchy fry at battle mage

[

seriously, if you are town, jsut shut up and hope to god you live to end game...

Duh, i said i checked overnight. My pm had led me to believe that my BB notes were finite. Somebody in the game suggested that i check to make sure, so i did. And i was wrong. Not a scumtell, just me making a mistake.

Sorry.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You could have checked Night one, or Day two, or dring the fight : There was absolutely no reason for you to try and get me lynched if you were intending to confirm, or if you weren't even SURE in the first place
this is unbelievable

and i think tarhalindur fake claimed cop because we have two scum group specific cops dead, and tar seemed baffled by the concept.

I WAS sure. I didnt have any real reason to doubt my own role pm. But i guess i read it wrong. This is the last im going to say on the matter. The fact is, it doesnt take much away from your scummy play, and im still intrigued to hear Tar's result on you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

4-5 cops and a possibly broken player-order? If so, the game should be broken fairly shortly. While it's risky to reveal all this early, tar, I can see why you did so; it may very well break the game.

I'll note that Skruffs and Battle Mage appear next to one another in the player list. If they're both GFs, this is not a coincidence -- but I could also see Skruffs being scum and BM not (or neither being scum, but let's not go crazy here).

The obvious test of this theory is ckillor, since he sits next to Lowell and I very much doubt the Soup Mafia is just 2 people.

throws a pine-cone sushi roll at ckillor
throws a lamia sushi roll at ckillor

This is one of the worst ideas all game so far. A game broken by the player order? Do you think DGB is a fricking moron? 3 fully functioning confirmed cop-masons? in addition to 2 scum-specific Cops?
And me and Skruffs, as the only 2 people investigated so far, both with innocents on us, just happen to be 2 Godfathers?
You're kidding me right? I'm waiting for the punchline here, because you're obviously bullshitting us.

Give BB note to Mneme

Misleading the town is clearly Bad Behaviour.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, look at that, I make my comment and our dear mod promptly changes the vote order in the vote count.

Player list is definitely breakable (and I have the original Food Count list written down elsewhere in case it's needed). I'm starting to really like the idea of a Ckillor lynch.

actually the order had been changed since the beginning of the day. Not sure why though, as it hadnt been changed atall until then...

BM

[Battle Mage]

actually the order had been changed since the beginning of the day. Not sure why though, as it hadnt been changed atall until then...

BM

This is untrue. The order has been consistent. If there is an irregularity, as you seem to be saying (unless I misunderstand you) could you point out the post?

I suggest you read through the Mods posts in isolation. Only the last 2 counts have a different order.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mneme: Or (you forgot this) BM could be mafia and I'm not, considering everything I have claimed has been honest and truthful and NOTHING He has claimed has been honest the first time around. Or maybe that means me and him are both scum. Because I am the godfather of Soup Scum Mafia (Which is why I would throw FAKE tomato soup DAY ONE, as a blatant breadcrumb to being soup scum) and BM is my regular goon. Right.

Dont be silly now Skruffs. You know thats not atall true. I made 1 mistake. You made a similar mistake based on your role when you claimed that BB notes were your role, which i maintain is not the case. On the other hand, i did see how avidly you pushed the Lowell lynch yesterday, and i no longer think you are particularly likely to be mafia from that group. Man, i need to reread i think.

We know that The Fonz claimed a specific cop for a specific group, he got an innocent on me, he is dead.

We know that Erg0 was a specific cop for a specific group, and he is dead.

Tarhalindur, Nightfall, and Gorlash are all parts of a mason group that are not cleared with each other, that can investigate.
I highly disbelieve that they are straight up cops, that can detect any scum, and get guilties on them.

It seems a bit much to have 5 sane cops, at least, in a game, even of this size, even if two fo them are scum group specific. Yes, this is saying that I don't think Tarhalindur's results should be taken at face value. Yes, this means I am saying that Tarhalindur's inspection on me does not clear me.

this is entirely correct.

If people can not understand why I get irate at battle mage, if you really think I'm just distancing from him, then, I feel really sorry for you, because you are apparently only reading what I am sayign, and have no idea what BM is doing.

Yup. I'm an evil mastermind. Messing with your psyche. rofl.
What nefarious plot am i cooking up at the moment Skruffykins?

BM

[Battle Mage]

actually the order had been changed since the beginning of the day. Not sure why though, as it hadnt been changed atall until then...

BM

This is untrue. The order has been consistent. If there is an irregularity, as you seem to be saying (unless I misunderstand you) could you point out the post?

I suggest you read through the Mods posts in isolation. Only the last 2 counts have a different order.

BM

That's what I was saying...The order has been consistent (apart from the last 2).

which is what i said in the first place...

[Battle Mage]

Bm: what did you say your name was? Surely if you asked the mod what your bb notes did you also remembered to ask what your name was, too.

erm no. Did anyone ask that?

I'll ask now if its important.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Note: the peas didn't do anything yesterday.
Today they might do visible damage, and tomorrow they most likely do even more. Damage is based on weight*percentage, or some formula to that. As players are eliminated, percentage will go up.

The fonz, I have claimed. I've claimed ( I think ), everything there is to claim about my role, yesterday. My name is (for all intents and purposes) "the lunchlady".

I think bm was asking for my name yestrday, too.

hmm, thats interesting. Because my name is not 'the librarian'. My character has an actual name (i cant remember off the top of my head, but if necessary ill get the mod to resend me my role pm).

Oh and that wasnt what i have been asking you for. I was, and still am, waiting for an actual role claim.

@Skruffs-ofc, ABR is not going to admit to lying now, is he?

I find it necessary. Apaprently you lost all the information the mod gave you, but you know enough about it to assume you are right baout stuff (until proven o therwise)
So I would like you to fully calim now before you can change your character's setup again


This is partially becase I want to be able to corner you later on if you rae lying, and partially because iwant you to know what you are talking about if you are town. So do this for me.

Ah yeh i remember now. I love ur use of language. Especially the way in which you are displacing the pressure i put on you about your lack of a full claim, back onto me.
lol

Are you still claiming not to have a NAME btw?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I *have* full claimed, bm. You're the one who always has something up his sleeve, something he'll have to 'hook' out later.

Ok then. You wont mind (Re)claiming ur role then.

I asked the Mod, and my character is called Gertrude Pullitzer. Do you maintain that your character has NO NAME?

FoS: Flameaxe

[Battle Mage]

Re BM -- avoiding a potential breaking strategy that matches the existing unusual evidence just because it's on-the-face-of-it unlikely appears to be very bad play. Obvously, we have to avoid epicycles and other false tests, but if we have someone scummy (ckillor) who is also sitting in a position where if positon is correlated with scumminess, he's likely to be scum (ckillor), it's worth taking that chance.

Unsurprisingly, i'm not going to be bullied into following an obviously dumb strategy which will probably lead to multiple lynches on below par grounds. I mean, look at all the damage sustained by Ckillor already! And solely based on where he is on the votecount? Stop it, i'm crying with laughter here.

Re Skruffs vs BM: yes, I agree with you, Skruffs-san, that there's a higher chance that he's scum than that you are. You're both unreliably been pronounced innocent, but he's actively acted scummy, and I don't really trust the innocent investigation on him. OTOH, if seating order is a useful clue, he -is- sitting next to you.

That said, I'm interested in speculation on scruffs/BM only in guidance for night actions/future days. They're clearly not good lynches for today.

Wait. So Skruffs hasnt acted scummy atall, and you want to consider him as a lynch for the future?

Explain Please.

HoS: Mneme

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yup.
I am "the Lunch Lady".
My role is the ability to distribute 3 bad behavior notes a day.

Ok so your ROLE is called ' 3 BB Notes' or what?
Because i have a specific defined role in my pm, aside from my BB notes.
and unlike me, and others i have seen so far, you dont have an actual name, just a profession?
Hmm...

BM - I think you are really playing a dangerous game, as you have been proven to be lying about your claim, which evolves slowly as the game goes along. First one thing, then you check with the mod and it's another. What I'm, sayin gis, YOU don't really have the basis to use your claimed role to try and coutner someone else's, because you have already been shown to state things 'without checking hte facts' in an attempt to get someone lynched.

Fair point. But i think you have read the situation a little wrong here. If there is a difference between our role logistics (as i had suspected wrongly there was, and now there seems to be again) 1 of us must be scum. I dont care if it takes me being lynched in order to lynch a scumbag. In fact, i'd even consider it a decent trade.

I guess my question to you is, You seem to have FOUR parts of your role PM:
Your name "Gertrude"
Your Profession(?) "Librarian"
Your Role "Vanilla"
and additional actions "1 BB Note"

I personally believe that the Name and Profession part should only occupy one slot. FOr that reason, I have a strong feeling you are lying. I'd really hate to get lynched to prove that you are lying, because we already have proof WITH EVERY OTHER DAED PLAYER so far, but it IS worht considering.

FFS. I'll tell you what, why dont i ask the Mod to resend me my WHOLE role pm?

For Future Reference, please note BM has both a name and a profession

Duly noted.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay, that siad, let's get abck to ckillor/mneme.

*sigh*
Does anyone else get the impression that Skruffs' attacks on me are merely a backdrop while he puts his weight behind simpler lynches?

BM

[Battle Mage]

-.-


Happy scumday DGB!

[Battle Mage]

Yup.. I too get that feeling. Only in more of a "Scum bussing partner" or "Scum putting other scum second on his list" type of feeling. >.> Librarians need to go down...

More krap logik from Korlash

Are you actually suggesting that we lynch the librarian because of your theory about how it

could

be a scum role?

Hell, we're already following the ckillor lynch because of list position...lets just go after Skruffs because Librarians "need to go down".

Erm since when would an attack on Librarians be an attack against Skruffs?

[Battle Mage]

and Skruffs... it isnt DGB's birthday. :p

[Battle Mage]

No matter what evidence comes up, people are going to say I'm SK... no wait, mafia... no not taht mafioa,t his mafia.. no wait... godfather...

Why not just suggest I'm the Godfather of BOTH scum groups AND the principal???

Back to original argument: WHY WOULD I CLAIM LUNCH LADY IF MY SCUM GROUP WAS "SOUP SCUM"?!

because Lunch Lady is your role, and not INHERENTLY anti-town, unlike the Soup Scum Goons.

Your defence is WIFOM anyway fyi.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mnene

When did fonz say he investigated BM? I am really curious why so many people are making such incredibly bad mistakes, esp regarding me and bm's claims. Are we that identical that it's hard to distinguish us?

You should be very flattered.

Also; am i advocating bm's lynch today? Please point out where. I have my suspicions of bm, but i am not going to go after him, officially, until tar is revealed as a fraud.

You seem to be subtly pushing my lynch at every turn. Are you being sarcastic here?
I mean, use your brain for a sec plz. Tar claimed 'Gossipping Mason' with investigative ability. Nightfall has died, and come up, shock horror-Gossipping Mason!
hence unless he managed to somehow guess that level of flavour, Tarhalindur is protown. And guess what, he claims to be able to investigate people. This is Tarhalindur, not ABR. I dont see how you can attempt to push the argument that he is a fraud...

Those two clues, coupled with tar outing not only himself, but both of his scumbuddies, to save battlemage, who is by his own claiim just a vanilla townie, makes me very suspicious of tar right now.

eh? its like this propaganda is inherently built into your posts atm. You just cant help filling your posts with a generous helping of WIFOM. lol

The flavor for tar's group mason-n-cops thing has yet to be explained, either, esp. Since we know that there were two flavor/scumgroup cops now already.

This is true, hence i think that the sanities of our claimed cops in the game may be questionnable.

Post lastly: considering the fonz investigated foods that people made, how would, flavor wise, there be a godfather?

I dont understand this. Please explain?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok i've got my rolepm. I'll paraphrase as much as i can below.

I am Gertrude Pulitzer, the librarian. I love books. I hate it when they are overdue. It is equivalent to the crime of theft.

I am A VANILLA TOWNIE. -insert win condition here-.

Here it says that i can distribute x BB notes during the day. It DOESNT say EACH day.

Then it says how i do so.

I cant really paraphrase any more without breaching the rules. If its all the same, it would be nice for Skruffs to do the same with his role pm. I'm all for equality, and it might establish whether we really do have stark differences in our role pms.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Will post on Thursday. Maths exam tomoz. Wish ,me Luck!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I have a sandwich?
I got a prod, requested by someone called Grogon. rofl

BM

[Battle Mage]

Does anyone think they are a miller and would be willing to be investigated to check out that theory?

Yeh, i've got an inkling i'm a miller. I mean it wasnt in my role pm, but my gut tells me the Mod sent me the wrong pm. /sarcasm

How would you THINK you are a miller?
You either are or you arent.

Battlemage is still scum,as usual. His bag of tricks is empty so he's waiting for a chance to look heroic and misdirect town to amislynch. Seen itb efore.

Sometime i would like to see a record of your vote history. Then i'll remind you of this point and watch you cry with shame. lol
If you have anything new to bring to the game, please do. Id actually rather see you lurk than actively mislead the town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hey BAttleMage:

You mean like when I moved the lynch away from Fonz (COP) and onto Lowell(SCUM)?

No i was actually referring to your opportunistic wagonning of Hasdgfas yesterday. -.-

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why do you two snipe back and forth but never actually throw food at each other?

I'm not trying to goad you to do it. I'm trying to figure out the sincerity of your accusations.

If Skruffs is scum, he isnt the ONLY scum. Unless theres some hope of actually getting him lynched, me throwing food at him achieves nothing, and merely gives the town less chance of hitting a perhaps easier scum target.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yamahako has an 'innocent' on him, though, right?

True. But if one assumes that the mason-cops are naive, this is irrelevant.

Not that I'm stating this assumption as fact

, but I think it's likely. I do at least think it's quite likely that not all of

three

mason-cops are completely sane. That's just way too overpowered.

Also, the cheerleader nature of the flavour is another indicator, IMO. If they're just gossiping cheerleaders, I'm not sure they'd make for such good actual investigators.

Or perhaps it is the cheerleader who find out what is REALLY going on. The truth behind the lies.

Its a double edged sword.

BM

[Battle Mage]

but not admin scum? Why do you say that, cicero? Do you know who the admin scum are?

i'm dumping the rest of my food tonight, prolly aroound 9PM EST. Gorgon, post or perish. ^.^

Gorgon throws consomme. Yamahako throws peas. Soup materials.

in fairness, pretty much anything is a soup material. lol

[Battle Mage]

1.) Skitzer was overly defensive, and was constantly saying he thought I was guilty - but didn't want to waste food - yet he basically never used any food. ABR hasn't actually commented on the game with his own thoughts. The entire time he was questioning what other people thought he should do.
2.) ABR (who has been replaced) is almost definetly scum. Skitzer may just be lazy. ABR has links to a, now, known scum.
3.) They basically stopped posting, I was intending to try and do a PBPA on ABR, but I was a Day late (night started earlier than I thought it would). Things have been unpredictable and hectic for me making it more difficult for me to post regularly.
4.) ABR, Tar, and Skitzer. Tar would give us the most information, ABR would be more of a sure thing.
5.) Because I figured if they were actually town they would comment on other things. Their argument left the realm of standard bickering and entered the absurd shortly before that post. It seemed more like a calculated measure that would insure one person was thought of as town Early on. I'd wager if they actually are in a mafia they are paired with Tar-scum which would balanced that many "cops" nicely.

how about you comment on the game yourself rather than continually ask questions and complain about lurkers? If you commit to statments I bet you'll get more participation - if that's your real goal (as opposed to just appearing town.) IGMEOY.

I'll do my best to get my ABR (now replaced) case up - but if you just view all his posts it should be obviously. Actively lurking is nearly always bad in my experience.

There are several problems with this post, but two stand out:

1) Your single-minded focus on ABR, and the logic that you're using (the unexplained "links to a known scum"). I think that you may actually be correct about ABR... but if so, it's because you're scum from the rival group who caught on to ABR after I brought up the player list theory. (I can't really consciously explain why, but when I looked at your recent attacks on ABR I was immediately reminded of my attack on Theopor (Replicator scum) as Gou'Ald scum in Stargate SG-1.)

2) You seem to think that Skitzer is a valid lynch candidate. Small problem there - Skitzer was lynched as vanilla town on Day 1, therefore lynching him again would be difficult at best.

Tarhalindur lynch candidates:

Skruffs - Despite the double innocents, I'm having difficultly accepting his play as pro-town for previously explained reasons.
Battle Mage - the early BM/Skruffs feud still concerns me (again, it reminds me of my attack on Theopor in SG-1, albeit not to the extent that Yamahako/ABR does) and the claim is somewhat suspect.

Yamahako - as much a gut read as anything, but his recent play is really pinging my scumdar for reasons explained above. I need to check and see how under-the-radar he's been, and whether the IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis) tell is applicable.

Gorgon - Very under-the-radar, adjacent to Lowell on the player list (though how valid that theory is remains to be seen).

This post is more than enough to warrant an 'alpha-strike'. As you think your investigations mean jack anyway, i dont think you'll be particularly bothered either way, right?

@Skruffs-care to make a list of EVERYONE'S food? Then i'll review the soup theory some more.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm Not Saying that we should lynch BM, I'm just CONSTANTLY repeating that he is playing like SCUM BM trying to act like 'sterotypical TOWN BM"

Believe it or not I don't vote people just cuz I don't like them, I *DO* try to vote for the peopel who are likely to be SCUM.


Cicero: I am also NOT saying we should take the innocents as anything more than claimed innocents. But in the off chance that the cops are NOT naive, there is NO reason to kill the people they have cleared, NOT when there are SO MANY players that *aren't*... That makes sense to you, right?

Toss three french fries at Gorgon

You dont like me?

[Battle Mage]

i should note, im getting slightly more town vibes from Skruffs atm. The only negative thing that sticks in my mind is his apparent attitude of not taking the game too seriously. Makes me feel uncomfortable...

BM

[Battle Mage]

shit i misjudged the timing of yesterdays deadline. My suspicion of Tar stands, and is supported now by the fact that we have Godfathers, hence making cops of varying sanities pretty Bastard-Modish.
Also

FoS: Korlash

for post 1615.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think what

monsieur

Battle Mage means is that cops of varying sanities weakens the power of cops considerably; having a godfather role weakens them even more.

^this. If sane cops arent getting totally accurate results, what decent mod would screw with them even MORE?
I cant see Godfathers and insane cops in this game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think what

monsieur

Battle Mage means is that cops of varying sanities weakens the power of cops considerably; having a godfather role weakens them even more.

^this. If sane cops arent getting totally accurate results, what decent mod would screw with them even MORE?
I cant see Godfathers and insane cops in this game.

BM

Assuming they arent lying (which is a BIG assumption at this point). They are either Naive or lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it).

No one has ever gotten a guilty, so they aren't insane or paranoid.

its not THAT unlikely that those are genuine results. Naivety seems ridiculous in this game. About equivalent to a jester discussion (although admittedly, im often lenient on those).

Tar reeks atm, and im more inclined to believe Korlash.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage: Gertrude Pulitzer, Vanilla Townie. ALSO CLAIMING BB NOTES - come to think of it, that's probably lynchworthy despite Korlash's scumminess.

wonderful logic again my friend. Not only are you still pushing lynches on those who you can to some extent CONFIRM, you are also hinting that because Skruffs (protown) had BB notes, they are obviously an inherently scummy item. Well done. -.-

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think hes pushing the whole BB=/= vanilla thing... I could be wrong.

point being i agree anyone with a claimed innocent from (from me at least ) should get the benefit of the doubt today.

umm except, Skruffs seems to have been Vanilla apart from his BB notes. Im still not getting this atall.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage: Gertrude Pulitzer, Vanilla Townie. ALSO CLAIMING BB NOTES - come to think of it, that's probably lynchworthy despite Korlash's scumminess.

wonderful logic again my friend. Not only are you still pushing lynches on those who you can to some extent CONFIRM, you are also hinting that because Skruffs (protown) had BB notes, they are obviously an inherently scummy item. Well done. -.-

BM

Np, I'm saying that I believe that BB notes probably count as a power role and you have claimed vanilla (unless your real role name is Librarian, but that's not the impression I got from your elaboration post).

ok well, lets look at this more closely. Skruffs is the only other person so far who claimed to have BB notes. He was town, and he didnt have a power role. As of yet, i havent seen any evidence to suggest his BB notes actually doing anything.
Now, with this in mind, are you suggesting you dont believe i HAVE BB notes? Because there is no evidence to suggest that whatsoever. As far as im aware, my BB notes havent done anything so far either, so if its all the same, i'm going to continue thinking of myself as vanilla until i discover i have some discernible type of power role.

BM

[Battle Mage]

No offense intended holy, but please be as fast as you can.

As I said, I'd be for a Tar or BM lynch today. They would be the most telling and hopefully allow us to discern who is and isn't mafia. They both have some holes in their story and there's reason to be suspicious of them.

I'd like everyone to weigh in on those two as soon as possible.

We can't afford to have another day where mafia get off scott free with no day kill for information :-/

so of the remaining players, you'd be most inclined to lynch the claimed doc and his confirmed innocent. Tell me, why do you not think any of the players could be scum? I do get the impression you are taking the easy option here.

BM

[Battle Mage]

No offense intended holy, but please be as fast as you can.

As I said, I'd be for a Tar or BM lynch today. They would be the most telling and hopefully allow us to discern who is and isn't mafia. They both have some holes in their story and there's reason to be suspicious of them.

I'd like everyone to weigh in on those two as soon as possible.

We can't afford to have another day where mafia get off scott free with no day kill for information :-/

so of the remaining players, you'd be most inclined to lynch the claimed doc and his confirmed innocent. Tell me, why do you not think any of the players could be scum? I do get the impression you are taking the easy option here.

BM

Well first of all, Tar isn't a claimed doc, unless I'm really misreading things, he's a claimed cop of uncertain sanity that's part of a mason group of questionable alignment. The other members of his group seem suspicious of him.

typo. i meant cop. lol

And second of all you are by no means a CONFIRMED innocent. You're a claimed vanilla, with a role name (not a person name)

umm no, i have a persons name which i believe i have already claimed. I'm Gertrude Pullitzer, the Librarian.

and an ability (BB notes). A Claimed cop of questionable alignment, and questionable sanity got an innocent on you - in a game where we have confirmed at least 1 godfather on a mafia team, and there are confirmed 2 mafia teams in the game.

Shite-logic. for starters 1 of those GF's is dead. At most we have 1 left. But perhaps most important is that having a confirmed innocent does not make you MORE likely to be a GF. It means, i am statistically less likely to be scum than anyone else. granted i am not confirmed, but as i can ONLY be the GF for 1 scumteam, i am less likely to be scum than any current unconfirmed player.

And third of all - me saying that either you are Tar would be the most telling lynch (and I have placed quite a few reasons to question either of your towniness as well) does NOT imply "

not think any of the players could be scum?" That's a drastically invalid statement.

Im merely pointing out to you that choosing to vote me BASED ON the confirmed innocent is a totally illogical argument. You pushing this as a reason to lynch is scummy. End of.

BM