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Yeah, I know, I get that alot.EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1893267#1893267]Post 56[/url] wrote:Vote: Looker
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What are you talking about, Shrinescumgodfatherhme?Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1893538#1893538]Post 64[/url] wrote:
No way! It'd be totally unfair if someone were stuck in a game full of players with incomprehensible names. The people with hard-to-spell names would always win as scum.Sanjay wrote:Shrinehme, I know in this instance you wouldn't, but as a general rule do you follow Lynch All Name Butchers?
And it's not as though the internet has the convenience of, oh, say, a copy and paste option for text, after all...-
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Giving up already?BigBear's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1894238#1894238]Post 83[/url] wrote:
you're retarded. Only scum would knownook wrote:
Only the scum would know their godfather. You're scum?Looker wrote:What are you talking about, Shrinescumgodfatherhme?
Vote stays.ifthere was a godfather.
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Vote: No Lynch
Far_Cry's Post 86 - Wait, Nook's gay? Cuz I've got lasers shootin' outta my ass, too but I still likes boobies...
And I concur with your vote on BigBear, I'd prefer it if we at leasttriedto find scum today. Who had the most votes when BigBear decided to go no lynch?-
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Nice. I want to vote you, but moreso probably because I don't trust your intelligence than I believe you to be scum. Which brings up a good question: Should town always necessarily bring up their thought processes in-thread to everyone? Should we all know just how smart you are if you're town?BigBear's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1895075#1895075]Post 104[/url] wrote:Unvote:
Vote: Shrinehme
Reverse psychology? Are you implying WIFOM? If so...Far_Cry's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1895119#1895119]Post 106[/url] wrote:
BigBear might me doing this on purpose. It's a possible idea that he is scum that does some things that are SO terrible that people think he's not scum. A possible reverse psychology strategy.ConfidAnon wrote:
To be honest . . . . that's not that bad of a theory.Looker wrote:Okay, just throwing it out there, shoot it down if you want.
You get the most votes, the closest to a lynch, and then BigBear votes no lynch.
Far_Cry votes BigBear for wanting a no lynch.
You vote Far_Cry.
Shoot it down.
One thing holding me back: I've seen BigBear play as scum. He's competent, and voting No Lynch is horrible scum play.
@BigBear: Were these your intentions? WIFOM? Can you refute these allegations?
If Far_Cry took the bait, why is BigBear voting for you? And yes, I agree, the three votes were irrelevant and it was, indeed, a coincidence. My mistake.Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1895142#1895142]Post 107[/url] wrote:
It didn't occur to you that he intentionally voted himself and No Lynch in order to coax Scum into thinking he was an easy target gun for [And Far_Cry took the bait, notably]? T'was the first thing to pop into my head... but maybe I have a slight advantage from being more familiar with his play, and I shouldn't assume everyone should recognize the same?ConfidAnon wrote:To be honest . . . . that's not that bad of a theory.
One thing holding me back: I've seen BigBear play as scum. He's competent, and voting No Lynch is horrible scum play.
I don't have much to say about Looker's points, other than that BigBear voting No Lynch doubtfully had anything to do with my three random votes [yes they were "the most", but still....three, no where near the majority vote needed]. Aside from that, the progression of events were just... convenient/coincidental/ect.-
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What I was throwing out in Post 110 was in regard to you, Shrinehme.Shrinehme wrote:
So... you think Far_Cry is bussing BigBear? I don't really see it... what makes you think that?Looker wrote:So you don't feel as if this is a bus for future reference? (Distancing?)
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Far_Cry's Post 120 - I must say I agree, itwouldtake a psychic to know that you and BigBear were scum by page 5, but the way you worded it is funny. And the whole "bussing" idea was just something I threw out there in a pitiful attempt to help or contribute. But since you said it like that, I have to ask the question for future reference:Areyou and BigBear scum together...?
BigBear's Post 127 - Clap!Clap!Clap! My applause for your successful attempt to generate discussion and exit the RVS (if this is what you were truly intending). And I don't know how old you are, I'm hoping you didn't take my post as an insult. It's just that you have to be wary around clearly intelligent people. (It was a compliment). And if you're a toddler, then you're one hella-smart kid.
And about the WIFOM, I really don't understand the concept of it, to be honest. I just know to throw that phrase out there whenever I get confused.
Could it be that he's playing from gut...? And we all know whatShrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1895712#1895712]Post 129[/url] wrote:
The rest of your post contains comments referring to other players, and the one comment that I already showed you was misinterpreted.EtherealCookie wrote:
Not very vague if you read the rest of my post .Shrinehme wrote:How vague.
You never explained from where your "bad vibes" come from, is what I mean. You gave nothing else for me to refute or explain, so I think it's vague.thatmeans...
Are you...serious...? lol...EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1896046#1896046]Post 134[/url] wrote:I didn't like the godfather comment. He said he wasn't serious I don't care. I'm keeping it there.
Alsooooooooo:
Is it really useful not to put someone at L-2 right out of the random voting stage? What do you hope to accomplish by not putting him at L-2?
Is it really useful to use sarcasm right out of the random voting stage? What do you hope to accomplish by using sarcasm?[sarcasm]You're right. I should have commented on the post I didn't see until now. Also, I very clearly said bandwagoning was bad.[/sarcasm]-
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Um, Mr. Cookie, we need to kill somebody. Who should it beEtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1899281#1899281]Post 167[/url] wrote:
Hi.DeathRowKitty wrote:Slow day.Mod, can we get a prod on Idiotking? He hasn't posted since October 1.
I'm not seing it, unless you mean that he claimed he was a townie.PB wrote:Oh and...
Did you (EC) just claim???
*twiddles thumbs and waits for FC or EC to show up*
You were expecting me?
My thoughts are that one of you smart people should figure out who needs a'killun.Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1899519#1899519]Post 179[/url] wrote:What are your thoughts on EtherealCookie?
Are we going to wait for his replacement before relieving someone of their life or shall we press on?Far_Cry's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1899606#1899606]Post 181[/url] wrote:Mod: Srry, I've gotten busy lately. I need to be replaced.
Srry guys, I'm just busy with school. Hopefully I will be able to play more when I have a break. Good luck guys
Nothing heals hurt like hurtin' someone else. Let's lynch!BigBear's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1899752#1899752]Post 183[/url] wrote:EBWOP: Also, kinda depressed that Far Cry is leaving.... that's gonna put a damper on the game...-
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Yay! Can't wait to see what you think about all this!ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1901912#1901912]Post 205[/url] wrote:
Fixed, btw. The replacement has already arrived.Peabody wrote:Grrrr. FC is replaced???
EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1902739#1902739]Post 216[/url] wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not Jester. I'm just a guy who got swarmed with too much shit, said a few stupid things, and is in a deep pile of shit right now and is too busy to get out of it currently. Give me till the weekend, guys.unvote
I'm in no hurry to kill you, and I'd hate it if you were lynched due to playstyle. Besides, how do you tell the asylum employees that you're not crazy? How can you convince them?
I don't like that "extremely outlandish" part. If it were that bad, surely you could have used an example instead of "extremely outlandish". That just sounds like "he's different". [/not an argument, just pointing it out]Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1903497#1903497]Post 221[/url] wrote:
Why?BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.
We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though. I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"
Yeah, I'd kinda be more willing to interrogate the accuser before we take this jester thing and run with it. Who said it? Nook? (I know, I know, I'll go back and read...)BigBear's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1903546#1903546]Post 222[/url] wrote:
Well, that, or promoting a mislynch. I've only seen a mention of a jester in one game. And the one that suggested Mastin was a jester, was Mafia Godmother. If Nook flips scum, I would consider it a scumslip then.Shrinehme wrote:
Why?BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.
We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though.I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"-
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Sanjay wrote:Hey, Looker, has everyone talked who you wanted to talk before you answered my question about what you thought about me calling your theory all dumb and stuff?
You were right. I hadn't taken into consideration that he was nowhere close to a lynch and pretty much everything else you said. I mean, I hadn't really thought that through...Sanjay wrote:
No offense to Looker, but this is a terrible theory.ConfidAnon wrote:
To be honest . . . . that's not that bad of a theory.Looker wrote:Okay, just throwing it out there, shoot it down if you want.
You get the most votes, the closest to a lynch, and then BigBear votes no lynch.
Far_Cry votes BigBear for wanting a no lynch.
You vote Far_Cry.
Shoot it down.
One thing holding me back: I've seen BigBear play as scum. He's competent, and voting No Lynch is horrible scum play.
Firstly, it supposes that BigBear is stupid enough both to believe that the RVS wagon on Shrinehme is enough of a threat to his scumbuddy to take drastic action.
Secondly, it supposes that BigBear is stupid enough to believe voting no lynch would work. Sure, it could serve to distract from his scumbuddy, but I don't really see how distracting from your scumbuddy by heaping a bunch of suspicion on yourself is a good idea.
Thirdly, it supposes that scum are going to vote to help out their scumbuddies even in the random voting stage, when the threat of lynching is very low.
unvote: nook
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But I have a question for you, since you bring this up. Do you think that Confid could be scum on Cookie's wagon?-
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Stomach's grumblin , I want some Cookie!EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1904206#1904206]Post 236[/url] wrote:As I mentioned, I'll get to it in the weekend.
Sanjay's Post 266 - I thought I might have found something but when they responded, it was evident that I hadn't. Coupled with the points you made against the assumption, it was pretty clear that i hadn't thought that one through. In short, I fucked up. O well, on to the next one. That sort of thing, y'know?
Zaz's Post 270 - Look at Looker, you are friggin hilarious. That game rocked, dude, you're the best. You make me want to become a mod. Inspiration!
Zaz's Post 292 - Usually when a player says they're playing by gut, it appears to me that this gives them some sort of leeway to be capricious and fickle. They can change their vote or their stance and call it gut. If they're wrong, no biggie, they were playing on gut, not reasoning. TO be brief, I really just don't trust people's guts to have my best interest in mind.
Zaz's Post 309 - Well, to be honest, I've been trying to build this big, mechanized formula that, if I follow it, it will help me win at mafia no matter what. Currently, it sucks. Waiting for four key players within the thread to respond before I respond was a stipulation of the formula; however, the formula is currently being revised, which is why I'm responding to you as opposed to only Cookie & Shrinehme at this point in the game.
I think the point he was trying to make would be your ability to manipulate the situation to your liking, whether X be your scum partner or Y, in which instance you've simply distracted the town long enough to hop on a bandwagon which you have no intention to take anywhere.Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1906518#1906518]Post 320[/url] wrote:EBWOP
To the former, placing forth the possibility x is a Jester when their actions are scummy would be used toZazieR wrote:
-Good way to lynch a player who says stupid things.Shrinehme wrote:
Why?BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
-Jester discussion is a distraction from scumhunting, which is good for scum.detertheir lynch, [e.g. "No, x just looks like a Jester to me. Y looks like actual scum; let's lynch him."] no?
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Yes, you're absolutely right, which is why this is becoming something much bigger than this thread, but moreso a sitewide development. It's kind of embarassing seeing as I've been on this site for a while, but I'm still learning how to play mafia. It seems like the more I make mistakes and just be honest about it, the better I get though, so this game should be a bumpy one.Sanjay's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1906740#1906740]Post 327[/url] wrote:Looker, I hope you realize that having someone justify their actions with a formula isn't that much more satisfying than them justifying their actions with their gut. I love the idea that you are looking for patterns and trying to beat the system, but don't forget that you have to also convince us you aren't scum and convince us that the people you want lynched are scum.
But a quick question, though: Is this more of a waiting game? Because I noticed you can never just jump out and catch scum right off, you have to wait several pages before you can even hope to get something. Is it like that in every game?
Cookie's Post 328 - I know, Cookie, I'm sorry, but I like, you, man. I likez my Cookie.-
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Cookie's Post 331 - Which brings up a good point which I should have heeded a long time ago. Certain games are not conducive to the learning experience. I thought that I could jump into any old game and learn how to play mafia, but that is not so. You and your words are easily manipulated, whether by scum or egotistical town, and then you're lynched, having learned nothing more than to keep your mouth shut. Or at least that's how it's been for me so far.
Sanjay's Post 330 & Post 332 - The formula's really stupid, to be honest. It's just a series of probabilities based upon voting patterns and bandwagons; however, just like all other advances of modern-day technology, it's only purpose is to keep me from having to think so I'mthinkingabout ditching it.
And as far as the BrotherNature thing, I wonder why he's voting Nook of all people.
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Faith. That's what it all boils down to. I had faith that the formula would provide, but it didn't. Based on the votes we had when you posed your question...OMG, this sucks. I don't know, Sanjay.
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@Sanjay - I believe it could be telling once they turned up town, which is undeniably possible in the case of Cookie. Not to defend him individually, but there are several players, including myself, who just aren't the best when it comes to a lyrical battle of wits. We can't weave words like other people do.
But, either way, I know what's best for town so I'll ask this question instead: Do you believe we've received sufficient enough information to pinpoint scum in the event that Cookie turns up town?-
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Gah, the dreaded meta! You don't think meta is counterintuitive and that it prohibits an individual's development or growth as a player?ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907298#1907298]Post 353[/url] wrote:
Thanks ^.^Looker wrote:Zaz, you rock.
Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
So I'm guessing the following could be seen as daytalk/daysignals? But, then again, that could be jumping the gun on my part.ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907310#1907310]Post 358[/url] wrote:
Nope.Looker wrote:And another thing: Do pressure votes work if they're actually depicted as pressure votes?
However, this I'm having a hard time swallowing. I can't define it as scummy, but moreso as intentionally anti-town; however, could it be egotism? The allusion/reference to Cookie I don't like, which leads me to believe moreso that Cookie is town being wagoned by scum. As I said, I believe the meek to be easily manipulated in the game of mafia.brothernature's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1905640#1905640]Post 259[/url] wrote:Umn. I'm not sure very many of my posts were all that serious. Was just messing around most the time. But anyway, like we've all asked 100 times now, we'd like to hear your opinions on everything so far. Since he hasn't posted since a while,Vote: nookto get some pressure going.brothernature's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1906538#1906538]Post 321[/url] wrote:Lulz is it really that hard to put all of that into one post instead of spamming up two pages? And yes, I'm a fan of Higurashi.
Like I said, I'm observing and lurking, just not posting. He asked where I was. I told him I was lurking.Zaz wrote:Post 169 – Why aren’t you discussing, while observing, brothernature? Also, noted that you showed right up after a player voted for you.
Indeed I do.Zaz wrote:You lurk and instead of giving your own intake, you ask for the opinion of the new guy? What’s up with that, brothernature?
Actually, I'm pretty sure I've never posted any content whatsoever.Zaz wrote:At least he has posted content, something you haven't done since a while. How come?
And to Sanjay, I really don't like Cookie right now. He's posting all this random shit and distracting the town, making it harder for us to get stuff done. My random shit, however, is more so on topic, just in a jokingly way, most the time.-
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Okay wait. You lynch EC, he flips town, so then you lynch me? That sounds like a personal gameplan to me, Kitty...DeathRowKitty's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907407#1907407]Post 361[/url] wrote:Mod, can we get a prod on nook?
We're on a new page? Zaz must have been posting again!
How does it show that (meta-based reasons?)?Zaz wrote:Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
Just a thought, but if EC gets lynched and flips town, I could see Looker as trying to gain townie points as scum by saying he thinks EC is a townie with an interesting playstyle.
Stick with one personality? I can't even stick with one gender! Zaz, r u the only one who knows I'm a she?EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907993#1907993]Post 394[/url] wrote:
I've had town-looker replace and act all anti-town. So, I wouldn't be sure about that. I don't think Looker'd be silly enough to just stick with one personality depending on if he was town or scum.ZazieR wrote:
Thanks ^.^Looker wrote:Zaz, you rock.
Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
Scummier than my alleged "creating undue suspicion"?Sanjay's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1908458#1908458]Post 412[/url] wrote:I agree. It does look scummy.
Sanjay's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1906025#1906025]Post 266[/url] wrote: I had taken your theory to be some kind of joke to try to get a rise out of people, but now that I find out you were seriously floating it, I think I'm gonna throw you a vote, for trying to create undue suspicion and for dodging my question for no good reason.
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I was voting for Cookie for forever (I think he was my RVS vote); however, when people started jumping on him, I unvoted. I'm currently happy with that unvote.Sanjay's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1908534#1908534]Post 419[/url] wrote:Now that you've reminded me of who I was voting for, Looker, why don't you tell me who you were voting for and how happy you are with that vote right now.
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Just in case you forgot, because it was a while ago.BigBear's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1895569#1895569]Post 123[/url] wrote:Unvote:
Vote: EtherealCookie
I think you put shrine at L-1, which is too close to a lynch for my liking.
I'll answer the other questions shortly. Just slightly busy.Idiotking's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1901196#1901196]Post 186[/url] wrote:Thoughts:
I had no idea what was going on until page 6 or so, to be honest. I couldn't tell what was RVS, sarcasm, or serious. You folks make my brain hurt.
As for scumtells:
I think Far_Cry is an interesting case, jumpy. He seemed to get serious far before anyone else did, and reacted... oh, what's the term... negatively? Now that he's replacing out I feel somewhat sad, because now the replacement can't elaborate on what Far_Cry was thinking.
EC also annoys me like all hell. I think it's suspicious to withhold information and reasoning for one's actions (I hate gambits and anything that could be mistaken as such), which makes EC out to be a living, breathing scumtell.
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On the other hand I don't see BB's actions as suspicious. Anything to generate discussion is a good thing, and if he did really vote for a no-lynch to get us out of RVS, I applaud that, especially since without it we'd probably still be in RVS.
One other thought:
It's natural to assume there's a Godfather in games of Mafia. As far as I can remember I've never been in a gamewithoutone, so I can understand why folks would expect there to be one.-
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All a part of my feminine mystiqueZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1908886#1908886]Post 426[/url] wrote:
I've seen Looker play three games now (Not counting this one):EtherealCookie wrote:
I've had town-looker replace and act all anti-town. So, I wouldn't be sure about that. I don't think Looker'd be silly enough to just stick with one personality depending on if he was town or scum.ZazieR wrote:
Thanks ^.^Looker wrote:Zaz, you rock.
Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
-One in which I thought she was one of the more pro-town looking players (though I was scum)
-One in which I thought she was one of the scummiest players (I think I even voted her)
-One in which she was scum.
I've seen three different Looker's, yet I'm still certain she's town in this game.
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This is what started it, is it not? That whole argument about the jester ordeal? Confid pickin fights? How did something so trivial manage to be blown into such a big ordeal? Surely it couldn't have been done on accident.ConfidAnon's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907859#1907859]Post 384[/url] wrote:
This is the quote that sparked the jester discussion. (DRK admitted that was the intention of the post later on.)DeathRowKitty wrote:Just so everyone knows, that's L-2.
@IK
Can you think of any non-mafia motivations for EC's actions? I'm just looking for a yes or a no (I asked you specifically because your experience playing with me makes you more likely to figure out what I'm implying).
I don't think EC is a bad lynch, but I would prefer to look in other directions right now. Of course, FC's replacing out puts a bit of a damper on that, but I'm keeping my vote on him until his replacement convinces me to take it off.
BigBear says that talking about a jester is scummy.BigBear wrote:I think lynching the jester is a bad idea. and if there really is a jester, which I doubt, i think they should be either vig'd or night killed. Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy, I forget who brought it up, but it's scummy.
This is in response to BigBear saying bringing up jester is scummy. Funny, if I'm not mistaken, DeathRowKitty sparked that conversation. Trying to pin the blame on someone else and cast suspicion on them?DeathRowKitty wrote:Nook brought it up (I quoted it a few posts ago ).
A few posts later, he tries to shut down the discussion about the jester that he started. To me, this reads like scum trying to avoid suspicion. Right now, I like DRK as a vote more than EC.DeathRowKitty wrote:The jester win condition and the town win condition aren't mutually exclusive. That's just my two cents. I'm done talking about that possibility for now.
You did start the jester discussion. 1. Why are you lying? 2. Why are you getting so defensive?[/quote]ConfidAnon's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907909#1907909]Post 388[/url] wrote:DeathRowKitty wrote:
That's what I was trying to suggest to IK.nook wrote: I have a wild speculation that he's a Jester out to get lynched as quickly as possible.
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I thought you might pick up on the fact that I said "non-mafia motivations," when I normally use "scum" almost exclusively to refer to the mafia. By non-mafia, I was trying to imply third party (perhaps one that wanted to be lynched or accumlate votes).
Of course, best play with a jester is probably not to mention it and to just lynch the person anyway. Why? Glad you asked!
Jester=insta-lose in lylo via self-vote. Therefore we can't bring a jester to lylo. This means that if we find ourselves one mislynch from lylo, unless we're sure someone is scum, we're forced to lynch the jester and put ourselves in lylo, which is an unfortunate prospect. We can continue this reasoning down the line, with the conclusion that a jester becomes more and more dangerous to the town the longer (s)he's left alive. Optimal play is (probably) to lynch immediately, without mentioning the possibility and try to gain some tells off the wagon. A jester wants to be lynched and (as much as I would love to spite a jester by refusing to lynch him/her), it's in the town's best interest to lynch a jester. That's of course why jester is a stupid role in most games.
Optimal play by EC right now (theoretically) if he were a jester is probably to claim jester right now and get himself lynched. However, having the lynch already determined has a tendency to take the town out of scumhunting mode. If EC is a jester and decides to do this, I would strongly push to lynch someone else out of spite.
Keep the possibility in mind now that it's out in the open, but right now, we have to play as though EC isn't jester (most mini normals don't have jesters and he probably isn't one...).
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What do you think of your predecessor's play?
"Why are you lying?" is something I take as a rhetorical question. What possible answer could be derived in response to this question? I believe Confid's and DRK's argument was contrived.
No one said anything to nook about this? No one asked his opinion? Where is his input about all this? Where are even any of his posts in any of the quotes? This leads me to believe that the argument was contrived and that it was an intentional exaggeration.ConfidAnon's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1908364#1908364]Post 404[/url] wrote:Meh, I'm not gonna restate the case again. I believe that you were the one who sparked the jester discussion, you believe that you didn't and that nook did. We'll agree to disagree.nook's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1901493#1901493]Post 193[/url] wrote:This is frustrating.
Right now the of the two best leads that we have on so far, one is being extremely random and annoying while the other is getting replaced. Both would have been good lynches for the town today IMO, but Far_Cry is getting replaced and to be fair we should give his replacement some time to settle in.
And of course theres EC, who doesn't seem to be playing to win at all, in that case he should be replaced with someone who is actually willing to play, either that or I have a wild speculation that he's a Jester out to get lynched as quickly as possible. Simply because of the assumption that everyone plays to win, and the only way he'll be able to win playing like this is if has the role of the jester. This could just be idle speculation, of course.
And, lurkers like BN don't help much. Stop lurking and get something in before we start shifting our attention on you.
I'mma gonna do a reread soon to try to find some more clues while Far_Cry is being replaced.nook's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1901506#1901506]Post 195[/url] wrote:Yes, I said it could be just idle speculation. Still I'm working on my stated assumption that everyone plays to win, so if he's not a jester he would be a good lynch anyway if we don't get any better cases. Even if he pro-town in character, he is not being pro-town in behaviour.
Nook says that Nook started it.ConfidAnon's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1908454#1908454]Post 411[/url] wrote:
I fail at wording posts. This is going to look scummy, but what I meant was that neither of us are going to change our minds on this matter. He says that nook started it, I say that he started it.Sanjay wrote:No, it was perfectly clear.
You believe that DRK thinks that nook started the jester conversation, correct?
"lying through his teeth" as opposed to "lying" gives off the feeling of AtE to me, but I'm new so I could just be spouting new terms I've learnedConfidAnon's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1908482#1908482]Post 415[/url] wrote:
No I do not.Sanjay wrote:Do you think that if DRK actually does believe that nook started the conversation about jesters then his reaction is unreasonable?
I admit that my theory is not as strong now as when I first posted it, but the possibility still exists for him to be scum lying through his teeth after being caught.
Yet you dominated several full pages with DRK concerning the matter. It seems the only people affected were you...and DRK. It wasn't that important to the rest of us, which is another reason why I believe this was an old-fashioned setup.ConfidAnon's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1910355#1910355]Post 441[/url] wrote:Implying a jester is starting a conversation by placing the thought into the thread.
I'd just like to know the point of the argument. ConfidAnon, what were your intentions for this dispute?ConfidAnon's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1911507#1911507]Post 458[/url] wrote:
Caps don't scare me. Your question implied a jester. You were the first person in the thread to do so. Therefore, you started the conversation about a jester. I'm done talking about this because, as Peabody pointed out, it's trivial.DRK wrote:My point is that you're being inconsistent. Unless you can reconcile your statements and show me a post where I either started a conversation about jesters or said I was trying to start a conversation about jesters (or whatever your view is supposed to be) IN YOUR NEXT POST, my vote will land on you IN MY NEXT POST.
I've kept it going in the past because I like to argue. But now we are to the point where we are talking in circles. I've already pointed out the post several times before.
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Once again, I forgot.ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1924621#1924621]Post 534[/url] wrote:
At what is that part regarding me aimed?Looker wrote:Just posting to show my face and stuff. @ Zaz, I forgot, but I'll get back in all these games around the site. Just kinda busy right now...
Don't know, cuz now I'm interested inSanjay's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1925281#1925281]Post 543[/url] wrote:
What's the deal with this post, Looker?Looker wrote:So does that mean the people voting brother can...um...transfer over to Confid...?vote: Don_Johnson-
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Because my current conclusion is that the Mafia are:ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1927819#1927819]Post 566[/url] wrote:Looker, why did you vote DJ?Don_Johnson, Sanjay, & [Cookie - OR - BigBear], soFoS the whole lot of'em.-
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Updated to reflect Cydonia's recent unvoteLooker's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1929185#1929185]Post 579[/url] wrote:Sanjay - Was working under the assumption that you and Confid are town
DJ - Because I doubt Zaz, Peabody, and Shrine are all scum
Cookie - OR - BigBear - I'm leaning town on Nook & Cydonia.
So sorry guys but working off limited resources, including time, will try to actually benefit the site-
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Questions
- Why weren't one of you, Peabody, and Shrine included in the scumlist?
- How does KoC's unvote affect my suspicions when KoC wasn't in my scumlist?
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- For me to believe DonJ is town, I would have to assume that the three of you are scum, which would be the case if DonJ were to flip town. I'm always planning for the next day, so if DonJ were to flip town, I'd suspect the three of you; however, we can't lynch the three of you today so I'll suspect DonJ today.
- Was using both Nook's and KoC's votes as a method of triangulation on Cookie, who was voting for BigBear. (I am utterly aware of how stupid this sounds, trust me)
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