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Welp as usual D1's aren't so easy to pick out odd behaviors. So far I'd say I'm not liking:
Adel for using her team as a bandwagoning tool.
Armlx for his worry of putting too many votes on TrustGossip (3) but then quickly following (or at least trying to) Pooky's vote onto Adel. Seems he's paying a lot of attention to how big a bandwagon he is making.
JiveMachine for saying that 1 vote is enough to pressure someone. Since when is one vote ever enough?-
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OK I'd like to aim the bandwagon at you since I'm not liking some of your choices and reasoning thus far.Adel wrote:ckd -- don't fret, it is all just part of my new "random bandwagon" stage.
unvote vote: Adel
armlx I'd really like to hear where you got 80% scum read on me, and 20% on vollkan so early in this game.
I really don't like comments like this
Most times I've seen this play it's scum trying to look active but not wanting to take a chance with their vote.Dean Harper wrote:i really have no other place to put my vote at the moment-
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So you're going for the "I'm going to play scummy and then call people scummy for voting for me" tactic?Adel wrote:
So you would rather see some bullshit statistics? I'm moving around & stirring the pot.shaft.ed wrote:unvote vote: Adel
armlx I'd really like to hear where you got 80% scum read on me, and 20% on vollkan so early in this game.
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If that's your feeling about my posts fine. But I would argue there are other people in this game posting more words and of less import than myself. I haven't really had that many lengthy posts thus far.armlx wrote: Shaft: Your posts have enough to them to look significant but have no relevant infi really. Very Scummy. Also a lot just instinct here-
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By "like this before," I'm not talking about unbridled bandwagoning, I mean I see you coming up with 'strategies' of unorthadox playstyle whereby you seem to convince yourself you will outscum, as you seem to be with TheJiveMachine. I'd site a Nightless game you played as an alt, but I think it's still ongoing.-
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My mistake it was completed, I'm referring to your self-voting to L-1 in Quicklynch Nightless as Dischordian Algorithm. It's a brash playstyle that looked scummy, but you thought it would help out scum. I think it's a similar tactic to quite obvious bandwagoning and judging people's responses to it, though not as rash.-
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I was trying to find examples of your D1 play. But you seem to like replacing into games after things get going, so aside from newbies (which I don't like to use for metas) that was the most recent game of yours I could find. I had read that game a long while ago and it stuck in my head because I found it odd that someone would want to play as an alt. I reread that game more closely for content and it seemed like a similar strategy to me.
I do small sample metas when the case is necessary, and in finding recent D1 play where I know your alignment this is the case. Small sample meta analysis helped me win Open 44 recently so yes I do think they are a valid tool.
I don't think anyone should have faith in anothers opinion, they should weigh it for what it's worth based on the evidence provided. You obviously aren't liking what I'm saying so I wouldn't be surprised if your faith was lacking.-
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My previous four posts, which would have been two if not for the CPU quota fairy, were replies to two direct posts from Adel. I fail to see how this is frenetic posting, and I think that you are making baseless acusations to fan the flames.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:he is panicking
look at the frenetic posting
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I've actually never played in a game with unabashed bandwagon hopping to the extreme that Adel was using. The times I have seen heavy bandwagoning it has been either from scum or from townies that end up outing power roles, so I don't like it. The uses of heavy bandwagoning in my experience are 1) to pressure a player into a poor response thus building a case on them [usually scum], 2) to counterattack players who vote the wagoner [generally from scum] or 3) simply to generate discussion and latch onto "odd" reactions to the wagonvollkan wrote: smart enough to know random wagoning from dodgy vote-hopping. I find it very hard to believe that you would mistakenly take issue with Adel's wagoning - and then try and peg it on meta rather than on the fact that it was apparent random wagoning.. Since Adel was jumping off wagons before they could get going I knew it wasn't #1. So I wanted to see how she would react to some votes being added to her in order to discern between 2 & 3. She didn't heavily attack me or CKD for our votes and she did point out JiveMachines discrepency, this lead me to believe she was motivated to move the game out of random and generate some useful leads. My post saying as such was obviously lazy and incorrect.
I'm refering to a calm inquisitve reaction to votes and pointing out the suspicious without a vote from JiveMachine. This post:vollkan wrote:What response are you talking about?Adel wrote:I couldn't have expected better results: just a little bit of erratic behavior brought out two votes and a wagon push by a lurking player. unvote, vote: The Jive Machine for the scummy behavior of keeping a low profile and only popping in long enough to try to add some fuel to the hottest fire.
As I said I didn't fail to spot it, I wanted to know the motivation behind it.vollkan wrote:I want to know how it is that you failed to spot random wagoning.-
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Pooky would you like to do something besides fan the flames. These are you last four posts.
PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:shafted def scum nowPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:So many people sitting on the fence with regards to shafted.
WHAT WILL HE DO NOW THAT THE SHARKS ARE CIRCLING AND HE IS BLEEDING LIKE HE IS MISSING AN ARM?
DUN DUN DUN.
Dance for me Shafted,
Dance Baby Dance.
re:Volkan I believe in attacking, I do not fail to see anything.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:he is panicking
look at the frenetic posting
omg owned
And it's not just restricted to me, here are you insights on TheJiveMachinePookyTheMagicalBear wrote:shafted so scumPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:vote JiveMachine
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Pot: "Hey kettle, you're black"PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:do you expect us to lynch him based on your hunch?
So first you wanted to lynch me but you couldn't reveal the reasons:
Then you stated that you may not even have any reasons:PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:What do you want me to contribute to this game other than who I think are scum?
I am not giving you my recipe for my special cookies.
they are age old family secret.
So which is it, do you have no reasons at all, or are they super top secret Dick Cheney level secret reasons?PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In the field of diagnostic medicine, reasons are overrated.
The same is true of mafia.
Armlx much like Pooky you are basically claiming me as 100% scum without stating any evidence to back it up
Would you also care to elaborate your case. Could you also compare Jive's play to mine since you state that he's almost caught up with my obvious level of scuminess? I personally feel his play has been more erratic than my single lazy post. And he's also adjusting his actions (e.g. ratcheting up to a vote) after light pressure.armlx wrote:Wow, just when I thought we had hit max scummy, someone decides to make us have a decision. I'm sticking with my vote for Shaft right now, but Jive is rising to match his scumminess very quickly. Nice backtrack.-
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So we have to pick between:
Erg0
Pooky
Dean
TG
armlx
There are a lot of infrequent posters on that list. I have pretty little impression of Erg0, Dean or TG. Going to reread them today. I'm obviously not a fan of Pooky or armlx, but maybe being on the receiving end of their baseless attacks has me biased.-
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If you truly thought I was scum then why are you trying so hard not to convince others of your position. The only evidence you have put forth was "frenetic posting." Yet you state over and over I am scum hoping it will sink in.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:We think you are scum.
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I'm getting confused now.
armlx is looking scummy pretending to mimic Adel's strategy when he really didn't. Also he's at L-2 not L-1. Scum getting those confused tend to behave less rationally.
TG is getting Jive to talk by unvoting him? WTH will that do? Possible scum interaction?
And the other three options we have aren't posting anything, can we say lurk into D2?
Still haven't gotten time for my reread. Will try to do that before I leave for a long weekend. Not sure if I can.-
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OK I got a re-skim in.
Overall I would rank the five players from scummy to townie as:
1) armlx
1) Pooky
3) Erg0
4) Dean
5) TG
armlx: Posted the most content (wordwise) of his team outside of maybe TG. But had a few minor tells early in the day. Like reluctance to vote someone to 3 but happy to jump on as a second vote. Then proceeded to make a pretty firm declaration of people's alignments before there was really any discernable evidence to move on. Didn't really explain this too well to vollkan. Also joined in with Pooky in fanning the flames while I was first in line to be lynched.
Pooky: I rank him at the top with armlx in level of scuminess but for different reasons. Has posted very little content to be caught up on, so unsurprisingly no glaring issues with his posts. He has significantly fanned the flames against me and other players without adding anything to the argument. Also debated with Vollkan about actually needing a reason to lynch someone. This is crazy in my mind.
Erg0: Erg0 and Dean both have hardly anything in the way of posting. I only rank Erg0 above Dean because Erg0 was quite active in the early game but seemed to take a back seat once strong bandwagons became apparent. To me this is scummier than just lurking the whole game as Dean did.
Dean: Chronic lurker. Very little content to go on. Would vie for a replacement before a lynch.
TG: One of the two actual contributors of team L-Unit. Has put his opinions on the line and backed them up much better than his other teamates. Seems to actually be scum hunting instead of going for the path of least resistance.
All tolled I'd be happy today with either a Pooky or armlx lynch. I'd like to let vollkan weigh in before I register a vote for armlx. Also want to note that in a couple hours I'll be away from the internets until likely Monday so I'm sorry if this holds the game up any.-
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Welp after staying the night in Atlanta because Delta doesn't know how to run their crap ontime, I'm back.
Looks like it won't matter very much however. I personally wouldn't mind waiting a bit for a replacement mod as a the main reason I signed up for this game was the player list (and Adel was a nice added bonus) but I'll go along with the 96 hours if everyone wants it that way. Really what else can I do play all by myself?-
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Still not totally caught up. I really didn't like the accusations against vollkan. To me his play on TJM was very similar to his normal playstyle, I don't see anything scummy there, and I think his attackers may have been hoping to take out a strong scum hunter where they control a large fraction of the votes and may be able to tip his lynching. I really didn't like the begining of Pooky's argument.
This reads to me like a weak case with a lot lot lot of ass covering.Pooky wrote: I have a gut feeling about Volkan, I could be uttterly utterly utterly wrong.
Hmm.. so the guy that made any list is scummy, but the person painting the guy as scum for making a partial hasn't himself done anything but make statements like "X is obvscum." If pooky truly believed this he also would have noted the other players only making partial lists. This information was not included with the attack.pooky wrote: 2) Volkan's list only includes the 5 people he can vote for, if he did do a full reread, why would he not also post his thoughts on the candidates on his side as well? If he is intent on hunting scum, shouldn't he give us a fair assessment of the candidates on his side of the aisle in order to aid our efforts in hunting scum?
I also find his attacking Vollkan for using numbers to be garbage. I've seen many players use such a system. In fact where was pooky when armlx used numbers early in the day? Twice while vollkan was town with me they were very useful for catching scum because it forced everyone on record as to who they thought was scummy or townie.
Here CKD points out another example of Pooky's logic cutting in both directions:curiouskarmadog wrote:
ah, so you want to lynch someone who you claim posts more versus someone who as you say is skating by and not posting...so you are condemning we for not providing content, but at the same time want to lynch someone who is..I am confused.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
So basically you are just making offhanded remarks here while skating by on the down-low.
I might consider lynching you but I haven't ever lynched Volky and he seems to be a lot more fun to tangle with because he responds in such wonderful prose when attacked.
Also not liking most of armlx's recent postings. I haven't got the time right now to analyze him, but I should be able to this afternoon.
Summary I would like to lynch pooky or armlx but haven't completely finished reading armlx yet will decided today or tommorow.
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Not liking Adel accusing vollkan of being "scummier than pooky" for his TJM stance as Adel was the originator of the wagon and Pooky was also a part of the voting block.
TG is looking very much like a lemming. He has a few times now posted that he is loving someones posting or their logic and his target has jumped around a bit including myself Adel and pooky at times, possibly others. Don't know if being an ass kisser makes you scum though-
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TG wrote:Vote: TheJiveMachine
This doesn't read as conflicted to you?TG wrote:His(vollkan) major caveat in this game is his case against TheJiveMachine, who was the most obvious/weakest target at the time.
I was out of town for four days until just now.TG wrote:As the heat has died down so has shaft.ed's activity until just now.-
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OK, I've been a bit more busy than expected as of late. I'm pretty much up to snuff on what's been going on and hoping to get my promised armlx post up later today. In sum, I agree with most that his 'case' against CKD is almost laughable. I also find it odd that he'd put so much effort and thrust into it but state pretty wishy-washy like:
CKD has no votes on him, registering yours really won't lead to much danger.armlx wrote:Also note the fact I have yet to vote for you, though as soon as an absolute deadline is posted I will.
Not liking pooky dropping off of the map once armlx suspicion is obviously rising. Possibly trying to lie low until NLU picks a lynch candidate.
Also TG's conflicion in regards to TJM is noted:TG wrote:I would really want fresh replacements for Dean and Jive.Claus wrote:TheJiveMachine 1 - TG
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My eyes are really freaked up tonight so I don't think I can type much but I just wanted to point out to Erg0 that I find most of the players on the LU to be at least mildly scummy.
I've explained Pooky in detail, haven't yet gotten to armlx but I think others have made a decent case. Then Dean is a chronic lurker (who may just need replacing) and Erg0 you were doing a fair bit of lurking yourself. I don't think lurking itself is incredibly scummy as long as people respond when pressured, but in this game if it is set up with 2 lynches per day lurking could be a very viable strategy. So TG is the only player on the LU I'm getting a townish read on and he has his own issues with his TJM voting pattern vs. pressure which seems to be inverted.
On my side of the isle I'm seeing CKD and vollkan playing as usual. As others have said vollkan as scum is difficult to detect, but as town he is a vital asset. He doesn't seem to be playing out of the ordinary. If CKD weren't playing confrontational and almost belligerent I'd be worried about him. But I do understand armlx to an extent. The first time I came acccross CKD I found his style a bit scummy. But it's across the board. And armlx has been banging his head against fairly small points in this regard. Adel is a wild card right now. Her play seems most likely town as scum playing in such a manner would have to have huge balls to attract as much attention as she did, but knowing her persona I wouldn't put it past her. However, nothing of her play seems opprotunistic thus far. TJM is all over the place, and nowhere at the same time. Before he disappeared he was looking very inconsistent and in my eyes scummy. In fact I'll go on record saying I would have hammered had the twist not gone into effect before I logged in. His disapperance has thrown me for a loop, but I get the feeling he is trying to avoid what happened earlier by just avoiding the thread entrirely.
Sorry if any of this is difficult to read. I honestly can't read very much of what I wrote because of my eyes at the moment. so it's not been proofread or previewed at all. Hope this doesn't get me into trouble again-
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Sorry I'm not posting as much as usual. My wife and I have recently started up a business so my standard "mafia time" in the shower and on the can is being preoccupied with other matters.
Anyway, I'm not too upset with the armlx lynch. He was playing fairly scummy, and I'd have been happy with him or pooky for today.
I guess it's time to help team LU find the scum. I think NLU has fewer scum potential than NLU. As I've stated earlier I don't think vollkan or CKD are playing any differently as they normally do as town. I'm not as familiar with Adel's play but I do think her early game was helpful to the town. TJM was my highest suspect previously on NLU. I am disconcerted about Beep Beep's accidental hammer. And I agree with CKD's point here:
Beep coming in and painting Adel as scum when they are voting together is quite strange. I get the feeling he knows what alignment armlx is going to turn up and is attempting to shift the blame.CKD wrote:As for Adel, you know she was the other vote to lynch Armix, you think she was bussing him early?
We don't get to know armlx's alignment before the next lynch right?
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I guess that's possible, but with team LU there were many other opportunities to push for. And Adel did a lot of the armlx pushing. You also seem to know quite a lot about armlx's alignment. Is there a reason for that?Beep! Beep! wrote:
Oh yeah. Absolutely. I bet she didn't think he'd end up quicklynched...curiouskarmadog wrote:As for Adel, you know she was the other vote to lynch Armix, you think she was bussing him early?-
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You make a good point. I will consider your nomination further. Also liked some of your post lynch comments.curiouskarmadog wrote:
shaft.ed, you make it sound like I am supporting Adel, why is that?shaft.ed wrote:Don't like the CKD Adel buddying continuation. Won't support either for leader.
Adel, I do like your plan of thoroughly interrogating everyone, but I think it has weaknesses in that it will yeild players that perform well under pressure and not neccessarily scum. I still won't support your nomination.
Vollkan while I see your point that being on the "right" or "wrong" voting wagon does not an alignment make, I'm a little bit troubled that you are almost entirely ignoring such information. Also seems odd that you would not adjust TG's ranking after his twisted logic in accusing Erg0 for his own transgressions.
TG, your MegaFoS on Erg0 for voting after you is just poor play. Your hiding behind the pressure vote is even worse. You do realize that with such small groups your pressure vote placed Beep at L-2. You also realize that it is well within the realm of possibilities that you had a second scum on your team besides armlx. Finally you maintain that your vote was placed in order to get Beep to post:
Yet at the time of your confirm vote you clearly were voting because you found him scummy:TrustGossip wrote:
Did I stutter?Erg0 wrote:Oh, so you didn't reallywantto lynch him, you were just leaving your vote on him as we approached deadline in order to encourage him to post?
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Add in the fact that Beep had posted five times on the previous page compared to your zero posts and something isn't adding up. If this wasn't FTA I would be voting with Adel right now.TrustGossip wrote:When I was asking for replacements, I was envisioning the pot being stirred. I did not foresee the pot tipping over and all the porridge spilling on the floor.
Confirm vote: Beep
L/A still.
Pooky, I'm still not liking your "contributions." You'rs still badgering on about lynching vollkan with very little reason, at least that's how I interpreted your last post.
Anyway after further consideration, my leader list would be:
1.CKD
2. myself
3. vollkan
Also Thanatos, can you please contribute or ask for a replacement.-
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Frankly speaking, we didn't know armlx's alignment before the lynch.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yes which is why we should not have lynched Beep Beep During that voting phase.
Frankly speaking Nobody replaces into a game and hammers his scum partner without much of a grasp on the game
Frankly speaking, I do not believe Beep is capable of hammering his scumpartner right out of the gate like that.
Frankly speaking with the number of people who thought Armlx was scum ,it would've been damn foolhardy to lynch Beep Beep before we get confirmation on what alignment Armlx has.
He's one of the people we get a lot more information on after reveal.
Frankly speaking, you didn't even mention this was damn foolhardy until after both players' alignments were revealed.
Frankly speaking, you never spoke a word in TJM or Beep's defense prior to his lynch.
Frankly speaking, you were part of his L-1 bandwagon.
Frankly speaking, you were not right on Beep's alignment because you never took a side in regards to his lynch, you made proxy suggestions that he was town being railroaded by vollkan.
Frankly speaking, here is the sum of all of your posts between the time Beep replaced in and the time armlx revealed his alignment:PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:vote VollkanPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Hi
I still want to lynch Vollkan.
Do any of you want to convince me otherwise?
Frankly speaking, did you have a relevant point to make with this line of reasoning or was it more for future reference as to what one should do in an instance where you are given two lynches and a recplacemnt quickly lynches a player while the replacement is also a leading lynch candidate?PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If I had thought your responses were sufficient to alleviate my suspicion of you, my vote would not be on you.-
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CKD if we're going to wait for a majority vote this will take forever. I think a system whereby each player gets 2-3 votes, first person to reach some threshhold is chosen as the team leader would be a little bit more expediant. Alternatively, each player can have a single vote and we just take the person that recieves the most. In that case Pooky has to actually make a relevant play in the game, and we have to wait for Thanatos to post something or get replaced. Also I'm likely to not have access over the weekend. If moving my vote would resolve a tie breaker resulting in either myself or vollkan becoming the team leader you have permission to move it.
He's made it quite clear that vollkan was his prefered lynch for the day. Not sure how you missed that one.CKD wrote:Pooky, What was your alternative to lynch Beep? Someone on that team was going to die, no matter if you voted Beep or not. SO why was lynching Beep a bad idea (at that time).
pooky, if you have to read into a sentence that was buried in the middle of a medium length post that's primary purpose was attacking vollkan and was the only occurance of you talking about TJM/Beep's alignment, I don't think you made any strong suggestions one way or another about him. You certainly weren't pointing out that lynching him was a bad idea until after his alignment was revealed.-
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OK here's my case against pooky. If any of it is a bit incoherent I was doing overnight experiments last night so working on 1.5hrs sleep.
My initial scum feelings towards pooky were largely because he was simply stirring the pot in regards to myself and prior to the TJM. Both of us are somewhat new players that, at the time, were in compromised positions.
His posts added nothing to the discussion and were simply there to rouse others people's feelings.shaft.ed wrote:Pooky would you like to do something besides fan the flames. These are you last four posts.
PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:shafted def scum nowPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:So many people sitting on the fence with regards to shafted.
WHAT WILL HE DO NOW THAT THE SHARKS ARE CIRCLING AND HE IS BLEEDING LIKE HE IS MISSING AN ARM?
DUN DUN DUN.
Dance for me Shafted,
Dance Baby Dance.
re:Volkan I believe in attacking, I do not fail to see anything.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:he is panicking
look at the frenetic posting
omg owned
And it's not just restricted to me, here are you insights on TheJiveMachinePookyTheMagicalBear wrote:shafted so scumPookyTheMagicalBear wrote:vote JiveMachine
the time for pettiness is over.
It is time for bilateral action against the common enemy.
Following this he goes on to debate vollkan as to whether or not reasons are neccessary for lynching anyone. I found this to be rather silly, not sure if it's a scum tell but certainly is not protown play to lynch people without reason.
Next act of the day is the TJM bandwagon to L-1. Pooky is the second voter on said wagon. Note that pooky's vote went on TJM before the incident with me. While he was posting that I was def scum he never moves his vote off of TJM, which is a bit odd to me. Also while pressure is mounting on TJM he maintains his vote there, while the bandwagon forms. vollkan, CDK and armlx all vote (in pooky's defense here I hadn't previously noticed how quickly these votes amassed in real time, he probably wasn't online to posit a defense, may rethink my position with this in mind). This action ties in with his case against vollkan and his vague accusations in regards to TJM/Beep's mislynch, which I'll discuss separately below.
OK so after the TJM near lynch and then the twist, I found it strange that pooky, who very recently had been calling me "def scum" and all that would begin to totally ignore me and try building a rather weak case against vollkan. In order to keep this from turning into the Great Wall o Text I'll just reference post 325. He basically went after vollkan for using percentages, having people ranked too scumy in his percentages, and only analyzing one side for summiness. He sticks with this throughout the entire day even after many people vouch for the fact that vollkan always uses numbers to rank people and vollkan continues his analysis of the other team. This smacks to me of scum trying to remove a power scum hunter from the game.
Next pooky goes off on his Frankly Speaking string of posts. Here he seems to accuse anyone that supported the TJM/Beep lynch, I'm still not quite sure what he was doing here. It felt to me like possible scum avoiding a pretty much inevitable townie mislynch given the prevailing sentiment at the time, followed by a blanket accusation to see if any townie infighting might take off. However, he may just have been upset about the fact that lynching Beep was a poor play, but he didn't realize as such until after the fact and was berating himself as much as the rest of the town. If this isn't the case I don't know why he didn't speak up before the lynch. Anyway my indepth reply to his post is on 550.
All tolled, I feel this warrants some scrutiny. But I do think that I am tunneling on pooky right now. I'll get my TG post up later this afternoon if I'm still coherentish at the time. Have to get back to the experiments.-
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I feel that pooky has been playing consistently scummy whereas TG had a slip up or two. Also TG seems to be posting a lot more content so the signal to noise favors TG. I voted with someone that I thought to be scummy because I see no indication that TG and pooky to be in a scum group together.curiouskarmadog wrote:
any reason that pooky gets your vote over TG?shaft.ed wrote:OK I don't forsee myself as having much time today. But my suspicions are on TG and pooky at the moment. I'll probably have to wait til tommorow to get a case up.
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OK My case against TrustGossip.
Most of my case against TrustGossip has been made recently. I felt he was a fairly solid poster on D1, certainly the best contributor of team LU, but he did tend to follow others leads a lot. I think his pursuit of CKD and armlx following the quick rush of votes on TJM was warranted. I felt it strange that he was voting and unvoting TJM in order to get him to post. Now that he's turned up town I guess that could be considered moot.
Where he starts to get scummy is his play towards Jive after the "twist." This is addressed already throughout my other posts and it basically is summed up by he attacked Erg0 for doing something he himself had done (voting Beep) and he explained that his vote was simply a pressure vote although evidence was quite to the contrary of that:
Recently he seems a bit eager to move things along. Not really caring about the team leader but just asking one be chosen (not that he's the only one). And he's recently been trying to move out of the Discussion phase straight into the "twist" phase.shaft.ed wrote: TG, your MegaFoS on Erg0 for voting after you is just poor play. Your hiding behind the pressure vote is even worse. You do realize that with such small groups your pressure vote placed Beep at L-2. You also realize that it is well within the realm of possibilities that you had a second scum on your team besides armlx. Finally you maintain that your vote was placed in order to get Beep to post:
Yet at the time of your confirm vote you clearly were voting because you found him scummy:TrustGossip wrote:
Did I stutter?Erg0 wrote:Oh, so you didn't reallywantto lynch him, you were just leaving your vote on him as we approached deadline in order to encourage him to post?
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Add in the fact that Beep had posted five times on the previous page compared to your zero posts and something isn't adding up. If this wasn't FTA I would be voting with Adel right now.TrustGossip wrote:When I was asking for replacements, I was envisioning the pot being stirred. I did not foresee the pot tipping over and all the porridge spilling on the floor.
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Pooky I have to give you some credit, your playstyle is making my head explode, I just don't get it. It's making this game a lot of fun! OK on with the game.
Obviously I do, I see no other reason for behaving the way you did.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Do you really think I was trying to get you lynched shafted?
I don't know. I've asked you this on many occasions can you spell it out for me. I obviously find near certain accusations of scum alliance without a vote to be very scumy as you can distance yourself from a mislynch once the town gets worked up.pooky wrote:If I were, why did I not vote you?
Certainly, I've been asking for reasons the entire game and you make no attempt to answer me just reply with more questions like these.pooky wrote:You think my choice of not providing reasons is an active decision on my part?
As I said I interpret this is scum trying to fuel a lynch without dirtying their hands. And I thought you just said you never voted me.pooky wrote:Why might I choose to not include any reasons on voting you?-
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Erg0 I suggest you meta me more thoroughly before drawing your conclusions. I am not afraid to bus scumbuddies at all especially in a game like this where there is no risk of drawing suspicion for not being NK'd. Look how no attention is being given CKD or Adel following the lynch. I also prefer long discussions before lynching, and it should be noted that we had a member of our team contributing nothing the entire cycle. There's no way I'm going to hammer someone without hearing anything from that player. Finally this is a total mischaracterization:Erg0 wrote:vollkan puts armlx at 70% in 281
The 70% is not in isolation.vollkan wrote:So my list is:-
Dean - 75%
Pooky - 70%
armlx - 70%
Erg0 - 60%
TG - 50%-
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