Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

[BigBear]

/confirmed and ready to go!

[BigBear]

Nice to know I can read just one game to get a feel on practically everyone's playstyles.

Nope

[BigBear]

Oh, that's a relief.

I'd hate to have to read the first letter of every one of your paragraphs specially to make sure you weren't breadcrumbing a future fake claim.

I'm too good for you!
Muahaha!

Too bad, you're too late!
Of course you're no match for me!
We will prevail!
Not that you care.

[BigBear]

You're really going to criticize me for optimal scum-play? If I were scum in a newbie game, I would do that "stunt" again in a heart beat. Why? because it could of helped lead to a scum victory. So sorry for not winning.

[BigBear]

I forgive you.

Btw, that link in your siggy is amazing. I cried a few times.

[BigBear]

Vote: Sanjay

For good measure.

[BigBear]

Nice distancing, nook and looker. You two are obv-scum.

Vote: nook

I'm happy with my RVS vote. You bandwagoning monster.

[BigBear]

And there's the chainsaw defense.

Pretty pleased with myself for finding all three scum in just two pages.

Thats all Wifom!

And it's not a chainsaw defense because there is no guarantee that we three are scum. However, the truth is... That you did indeed bandwagon.

[BigBear]

Vote Bigbear

for voting for the player who caught three scum in two pages!

FoS Peabody

for questioning the scumhunting master. Obviously you can't be mafia (Sanjay's already caught all of those, but perhaps SK?)

Pretty pleased with myself for finding all three scum in just two pages.

How do you know that's all of them?

Unvote:
Vote: DeathRowKitty

1/Not OMGUS at all.
2. Speculating role set up already, regarding the SK. Why do you think there is an SK?
3. Why do you question Sanjay about catching all three scum? When a few lines above that, you condemn someone for voting Sanjay, based on the supposed "Fact" that he caught all three scum.

Unvote :
Vote: Sanjay

How do you know there are three scum?

FoS: DeathRowKitty

[BigBear]

@DeathRowKitty: Perhaps Sanjay found them so quickly because he knew them from the very beginning, in which case... he is indeed the fourth scum!

Plot twist!

Unvote

Vote: Looker

Most likely to have scum power role, yes.

If you stated that.... Why are you voting Looker, and not Sanjay?

[BigBear]

I guess I must be scum.

Unvote:
Vote: BigBear

[BigBear]

nook, Looker

: It really makes no difference to me since I know you are both scum and we'll get the other one tomorrow, but do you guys have a preference which one of you the town lynches first?

I hope your not serious. Also, why did I get dropped off of your scum list?

[BigBear]

What are you talking about, Shrinescumgodfatherhme?

Only the scum would know their godfather. You're scum?
Vote stays.

you're retarded. Only scum would know

if

there was a godfather.

Unvote:
Vote: No Lynch

[BigBear]

Unvote:
Vote: Shrinehme

[BigBear]

Vote: EtherealCookie

Don't leave me out of the fun!

Copy Cat.

[BigBear]

Unvote:
Vote: EtherealCookie

I think you put shrine at L-1, which is too close to a lynch for my liking.

I'll answer the other questions shortly. Just slightly busy.

[BigBear]

L-2 from my counting.

that's still a little close, considereing we're barely out of the RVS. Also, you never unvoted. So you vote doesn't technically count, aside from that... it appears as if you still had the intention of voting Shrine.

[BigBear]

Who had the most votes when BigBear decided to go no lynch?

I'm gonna shoot down that theory of... whose ever it was. I chose to vote no lynch, to generate discussion. Look it worked. I mostly wanted to get out of the RVS. Looks like we made it yay!

BigBear might me doing this on purpose. It's a possible idea that he is scum that does some things that are SO terrible that people think he's not scum. A possible reverse psychology strategy.

you seem extremely confused, why?

Unvote:
Vote: Shrinehme

Nice. I want to vote you, but moreso probably because I don't trust your intelligence than I believe you to be scum.

How old do you think I am?

BigBear might me doing this on purpose. It's a possible idea that he is scum that does some things that are SO terrible that people think he's not scum. A possible reverse psychology strategy.

Reverse psychology? Are you implying WIFOM? If so...

So scummy that i can't be scum? This isn't Zwet-mafia. No, I'm not really implying Wifom. And i don't even understand psychology that much, what makes you think that I know how to perfect reverse psychology?

@BigBear: Were these your intentions? WIFOM? Can you refute these allegations?

What? To create anarchy and Wifom? No I did not intend that. I don't see how WIFOM at this point in the game really helps the town. However, you kids bringing up that it must be Wifom make me uneasy. Because you're so hasty to bring that thought or idea up. Maybe I truly wanted night to begin. Maybe I wanted to be lynched. Maybe I wanted no lynch. The truth is, long and active day ones are very profitable, and me creating this type of discussion is priceless.

If Far_Cry took the bait, why is BigBear voting for you?

I'm not psychic... that was just my take on BigBear's actions. He may have a completely different agenda.

o.-

Gambit, BigBear?

Wut? Is wut a gambit? No gambits yet.

If I missed a question, please point it out. I think I got it. (everyone from my last game should be used to this

[BigBear]

I agree in the fact that EC is acting extremely useless (not scum hunting, joking around, and playing stupid). However, I can't wrap my finger on whether that is a scum tell or not.

Shrine writes this to you EC, and you respond with the next post. Is that all? You don't want to defend your case any more? Have you given up?

Aside from those two paragraphs above... no one really commented much on my last post... :/ so there wasn't much for me to rebuttal to... that I could see. I'm satisfied with my vote for the moment.

people to look out for however....

EC - obviously, not acting pro-town. Not really liking him that much. (somewhat a gut read.)
Far_Cry - Somewhat a gut read also. I feel that DRK had a really good post here, regarding the matter.


the rest, I have neutral/town reads on. I won't go into specifics.

[BigBear]

EBWOP: Also, kinda depressed that Far Cry is leaving.... that's gonna put a damper on the game...

[BigBear]

I was gonna say, when did Zaz get in this game, and why is he voting me...

[BigBear]

Btw, welcome Zazie.

[BigBear]

Here ^.^ Will read this game one of these days. I'm learning how irritating a sore throat can be ._.

what does that have to do with typing >.<

also. You better not lag behind in this game.

Please

[BigBear]

It hurt so much yesterday night to swallow.

[/bad joke]

Swallowing what... *phhh..../snicker....*

/bad joke.... I know....

But I had to.

[/back to game]

[BigBear]

I think lynching the jester is a bad idea. and if there really is a jester, which I doubt, i think they should be either vig'd or night killed. Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy, I forget who brought it up, but it's scummy.

[BigBear]

if there really is a jester, which I doubt, i think they should be either vig'd or night killed.

That assumes we have a vig, since no mafia team in its right mind would NK a jester. If EC is a jester and claims it LATE IN DAY 1 WHEN IT WON'T HURT THE TOWN, I would prefer if we lynched him. If we don't have a vig, it would mean wasting a non-mafia lynch and probably losing a lot of Day 2 discussion.

Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy, I forget who brought it up, but it's scummy.

Nook brought it up (I quoted it a few posts ago ).

why should we lynch a jester? His win condition is being lynched!

[BigBear]

Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy

Why?
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.

We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though.

I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"

Well, that, or promoting a mislynch. I've only seen a mention of a jester in one game. And the one that suggested Mastin was a jester, was Mafia Godmother. If Nook flips scum, I would consider it a scumslip then.

[BigBear]

Could you elaborate on what kind of a tell you feel appeal to emotion is and why?

It's an appeal to emotion alright.

But Confid, what was with those last two letters were? js? Are you labeling him as jester?

[BigBear]

Interesting state of affairs with FC the past few days:

He replaced out of this game when he was about to be lynched in his newbie game, after which he joined another newbie game. He then joined another newbie game. Net result: -1 game, a result he could have achieved by staying in this game instead of joining a new one. The fact that he chose to join a new one instead of sticking with this one

really

doesn't sit well with me.

Links please, I'm rather lazy. If your investigative report turns out, that's rather interesting.

[BigBear]

Guys, I know I have not been posting. I had a rough weekend and should have V/LA'd, but I didn't expect it to be that bad.

However, it's also going to be a long night for me tonight. I have a major paper to rewrite, accounting homework, and to study for a tough psych test. Tomorrow, will most likely be the day that I can get back to some of this.

I am very sorry.

[BigBear]

Damn CTR+C!!!!!!!!!
I erased everything. Starting from scratch again depresses me. Therefore, I will only do generalizations, where as I won't be directly responding.

Well, I can't find what I had done at the beginning of this post, so if i'm missing anything, please let me know, and be patient.

@ Zazie,
-Every post of mine has been serious, aside from Iso #3.
-

Post 83 – Why this vote,

BigBear

? You dodged it when Sanjay asked.

Mostly to start discussion. I felt as if the RVS was carrying on for quite some time.
-

Post 104 – Why,

Bear

?

To give that Chainsaw Defense against me some merit? Mostly to bandwagon for some discussion.
-

Who had the most votes when BigBear decided to go no lynch?

I'm gonna shoot down that theory of... whose ever it was. I chose to vote no lynch, to generate discussion. Look it worked. I mostly wanted to get out of the RVS. Looks like we made it yay!

Not buying this explanation. How did you get the idea to vote yourself?
I also don’t like this defence:

So scummy that i can't be scum? This isn't Zwet-mafia. No, I'm not really implying Wifom. And i don't even understand psychology that much, what makes you think that I know how to perfect reverse psychology?

Mostly from Mastin.

As for the second explanation. I can't think off the top of my head for anything else, regarding that defense. I would probably have to go back to the surrounding posts regarding that quote, and even then my explanation would be tainted.
-

Zazie, could you expound a bit on why you voted for brothernature?

-The observing, while not discussing.
-Talking when being called out.
-Vote against Nook.
-Dodging my questions.
-The observations regarding EC
-And the general active lurking when posting.

But isn't Nook scummy? Even in your list back on page....14 was it? Nook came up with the Jester idea, which I think is a great reason to lynch nook. (other than that, your first dash and last ones are basically the same)(other than that, i would say your spot on).


Reading through, I don't like this post at all of Confids. How do you know he wasn't implying town?

-I think that DRK is just frustrated.
-

@BigBear & IdiotKing: Are you still happy with your current position on the Cookie wagon?

No, I am not at the moment.

Why I think you are wrong Confid.
1. Nook started the Jester discussion. Because he brought up the idea of a Jester. Easy as that.
2. I sure as hell, would have commented on that, and probably placed a vote on Nook specifically for the Jester comment (wonder why I haven't yet... )
3. Calling DRK out because he commented on it, is BS. Because someone was destined to comment on it as well.
4. If I had been the first one to comment on it, would you have called me out so quickly?

My, you really enjoy making a mountain out of a mole hill, don't you?

Wait... really... you started this argument against DRK with nothing solid. GG.


Unfortunately BN's play here remotely matches that Newbie game half of us were in. However, I remember him mentioning somewhere, that he likes active games. Maybe this isn't fast enough for him? Although I doubt that.

But, I'm on the fence between two people, BN, and Confid. Getting serious scum vibes from Confid, but BN's play is extremely sad.

I'm going to wait until a vote count, to vote.
@

Mod, can we please have a vote count

[BigBear]

Unfortunately BN's play here remotely matches that Newbie game half of us were in.

What was his alignment in that game?

He was town. And him asking to be replaced out would fit his small town meta.

[BigBear]

Vote: BigBear

Still voting for me. Still not asking any questions.

You're right. I should

Unvote: Vote: ConfidAnon

, But I was also in the not voting category....

Also, do you mean that I'm not asking questions? and that is why I am scummy?

[BigBear]

[piggybacking]
Especially in an on going game :/

[/piggybacking]

[BigBear]

Mostly to start discussion. I felt as if the RVS was carrying on for quite some time.

Yet, you never discussed about your No Lynch vote yourself. Eventhough you state you wanted to start discussion. And instead, you changed your vote. How come?

To give that Chainsaw Defense against me some merit? Mostly to bandwagon for some discussion.

How serious is the question? Also, didn't you call Sanjay a bandwagoning monster? So how come you bandwagoned here?
It also makes your EC vote look bad, as EC actually had a reason for suspecting Shrine.

Mostly from Mastin.

Not Mastin ._.
In all the times he did it, I don't think it has worked. At least, not in my games with him.
And please look at the post that had the defence in it that I don't like.

I'm going to wait until a vote count, to vote.

The VC was a few posts up. How come you missed it?

Zaz, why should I have to start discussion about voting no lynch, or voting for myself? Shouldn't it be other players that question me? And not myself? We shouldn't really be having this conversation now. It should have been in RVS. It's all about looking for over reactions.

Why did I bandwagon onto Shrine? Aside from putting pressure, it was also to discredit that "chainsaw defense" argument against whoever (me I think). They thought I voted no lynch to distract from some one's lynch, It might have even been shrines. I can't remember, and can't really be arsed to find it.

I was voting EC because it looked like he was a twelve year old kid on crack.

Mastin is an inspiration. Where did that Kid go?

I must have just overlooked the Vote Count. I don't know why I requested it.

Wait, are there really players saying that BN fits his town meta by basing it upon activity?

I would just say, that in his first game, he quit when he was town. I'm not saying that makes him.

[piggybacking]
Especially in an on going game :/

[/piggybacking]

I don't understand this post

He revealed an alt, in a game that's on going.

[BigBear]

Zaz, why should I have to start discussion about voting no lynch, or voting for myself? Shouldn't it be other players that question me? And not myself? We shouldn't really be having this conversation now. It should have been in RVS. It's all about looking for over reactions.

I was more talking about keeping the discussion up. Instead, you didn't do a thing with the discussion regarding your No Lynch vote (Except for one post where you state you agree with one of DRK's posts, but you never pushed it further). How come?

I guess I still don't understand, and for that I apologize. But, are you blaming me (in a sense) because no one really commented on my vote for a no lynch? If people would have pressured me, or asked about it, i think I would have responded. But maybe your asking why I didn't keep my "no lynch" status up for a little bit longer? I don't know, it's not like I really wanted a no lynch, at this point in the game it would only give weak night information. But seriously, what am I supposed to do, put pressure on myself?

Why did I bandwagon onto Shrine? Aside from putting pressure, it was also to discredit that "chainsaw defense" argument against whoever (me I think). They thought I voted no lynch to distract from some one's lynch, It might have even been shrines. I can't remember, and can't really be arsed to find it.

I don't see how it should 'prove' you two aren't scum together.
Also, as said earlier, it makes me dislike your vote against EC more.

Whoever it was that brought up the idea of the chainsaw defense, said that it occurred when shrine was bandwagoned, and I voted no lynch to try and "distract" from shrines lynch, I believe. correct me if i'm wrong there. But that really isn't a chainsaw defense, was it? Also, what should have been called out, as extremely suspicious was me voting Shrine

after

the weak CSD. If that happened to someone else, I would have called them out hardcore. Because i could see that as scum accepting his partners death. So yea, I don't really know why no one called me out on that. Perhaps someone on the Shrine wagon is scum, and didn't care, just wanted more votes. That would make sense why they didn't call me out.

I was voting EC because it looked like he was a twelve year old kid on crack.

So you didn't think he was acting like scum?

I know you must be tired of this, but no, I didn't really see him as scum, mostly just putting pressure on him.

Mastin is an inspiration. Where did that Kid go?

Not an inspiration. He is fun to play with.
Has less time than before (Also dropped out of my game, while I replaced in a 60+ game to get him to replace into my game )[/quote]

They have 60+ player games on this site? Sick nasty! I should never play in that though. I take it that he will make a come back next summer?

[BigBear]

What I'm asking is why you didn't enter the discussion about your self-vote.
You voted yourself --> FC voted you for that --> Players discussed FC's vote --> Bear does other stuff --> Bear finally states that he agrees with a post from DRK about FC.
Other than that post from DRK, you don't mention the discussion that your self-vote caused at all. And you never push the thing you did comment on. I'm interested in hearing why.

The only thing that I can think of, was either me being lazy, or just overlooking it. Since only one(or two) person(s) really commented on it. the best explanation is that I probably overlooked it.

Well, I actually asked how your vote against Shrine should have proved your not scum together. So it's strange that you now state that it would have been a reinforcing move for the assumption from Looker about you and Shrine.
But after reading this, I need to look at something.
(And yeah, it's not a chainsaw defense. That's when you're attacking/voting a player who's attacking/voting your buddy.)

I think they just thought it was a CSD because I was trying to distract from Shrines lynch. (what did you need to look at?) I don't remember if I was actually trying to prove that we weren't scum together, because no matter what I do, someone could twist my actions into saying that we are a scum pair, that it was bussing or something. So either way, i probably should have been burned at the steak for that.

I know you must be tired of this, but no, I didn't really see him as scum, mostly just putting pressure on him.

What did you wish to gain from this pressure on EC?

Would you believe, to see how he would react?

As far as I know, they don't have 60+ player games. The most I know of is 56. I meant 60+ pages. (Also, it had Mastin in that game with Mastin-posts)
And I don't know when he gets back.

oh balls thats still big. I kinda like replacing into games, but i also enjoy starting games.

Two questions for you zaz...

1. who do you think is scum, aside from Brother nature
2. Do you think that the random voting stage was a normal length for a mini normal?

[BigBear]

wait... what's the case on DJ at the moment?

[BigBear]

wait... what's the case on DJ at the moment?

He replaced BN. So the case from me against him is the same as the case from me against BN, which was:

Zazie, could you expound a bit on why you voted for brothernature?

-The observing, while not discussing.
-Talking when being called out.
-Vote against Nook.
-Dodging my questions.
-The observations regarding EC
-And the general active lurking when posting.

I guess I just don't know how I feel about that though. That seems to fit with his play style. (aside from the vote about nook, and the obsv regarding EC.) He was rather scummy in the last game too, and we should have lynched him for some of the same stuff that's listed here.

Deadline is still 10 days away, why don't we hold off for the moment, and look else where.

unvote:
vote: nook

-jester speculation still doesn't sit well with me.

[BigBear]

Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, BigBear, and this is just what I got from my readthrough, but... didn't DRK start the Jester speculation? Because from what I read, DRK made a comment alluding to 3rd parties, then later clarified he was thinking of Jesters when making that comment. So... uhm... explain?

I don't recall him clarifying that he was specifically talking about jesters, I just remember Confid and DRK fighting for several pages to find out who actually started it. I didn't really think that DRK was implying it at the time, although, if he was, then yea, it's obviously scummy. Why I figured that Nook really brought up the jester speculation, is because his remarks didn't seem to connect (at least at first glance), or didn't seem to come from directly from DRK's comment.

If you could show me where DRK said that he was eluding to a jester, that would be helpful.

[BigBear]

Good call, I missed that connection.

Unvote:
Vote: DeathRowKitty

[BigBear]

I read it.

[BigBear]

Guess you gotta type up that response, DRK.

Any input from you on the matter?

[BigBear]

mod: requesting one week deadline extension?

what....? why? We still have 10 more days!

[BigBear]

You're right. I should Unvote: Vote: ConfidAnon, But I was also in the not voting category....

Also, do you mean that I'm not asking questions? and that is why I am scummy?

Bandwagon

FoS

-I was the third vote on you, why are you/were you so worried?
-Bandwagons are quite normal.
-You do realize that I am no longer voting you.

[BigBear]

Uhhh no, that's me. BC is my main. I use this account for modding.

[BigBear]

By the way, if I haven't said this already, I am going to join Team Vote Practically Anywhere To Keep DRK From Being Lynched.

I have absolutely no respect for the reasons of half the people on that wagon.

This post really makes me want to lynch DRK.

[BigBear]

By the way, if I haven't said this already, I am going to join Team Vote Practically Anywhere To Keep DRK From Being Lynched.

I have absolutely no respect for the reasons of half the people on that wagon.

If this is true, vote BigBear, you'll have more of a chance for a lynch than being the only one on KoC.

Why do you think I am scum?

[BigBear]

Based on number of votes, scumminess, and potential to gain more votes, my vote would likely go to either BB or DJ if I had to choose now (DJ being my preference).

Same question, Why am I scummy. And on top of that, if you already have an idea of where your vote may be going, why wait?

[BigBear]

All I know right now is that I strongly disagree with lynching DRK. In general, the whole DRK vs. CA thing reeks of town on town. I'd have been willing to lynch brothernature on policy, but he's been replaced with someone who's at least trying to be active, and I haven't seen anything that's actually scummy from him.

How so? When DRK did hint at jester speculation?

@ Sanjay

The top three wagons, you don't find any of them scummy, why do you find KoC scummy? What has he done?

[BigBear]

This post gets a gut "do not like." - AB.

Bringing up a Jester = steering the town away from looking for scum, onto finding a hypothetical Jester that may not exist.
Bringing up a Jester = creating unnecessary speculation. This is the internet, we all mistrust each other enough as it is. Jester speculation begins all kinds of "should we really lynch him, he might WANT to be lynched" WIFOM.

QFT

How does any of that apply to this situation?

...Because you brought up the speculation of a jester...... do you not recall...??

Furry

- Sorry if I missed it earlier, but did you ever explain your town read on DRK?

Formation of wagons is quite a big one. Most of the people I have had anti-town reads on are attacking DKR. DRK has been on wagons of people that I have anti-town reads on. I know thinking the same things are not completely indicative of alignment, but I trust my reads enough.

Also I think the jester thing is a really bad thing to make a wagon on. Jester speculation is stupid, not scummy. Trying to make it scummy and actually basing an entire case off anything jester related, is far more scummy.

So wagons + other reads + case on DRK = town to me, and I am willing to vote most anyone but DRK to stop that lynch

Links to those games?

Last time Jester speculation was brought up in a game I played, the dude that did it was lynched, he flipped mafia godfather. That's one of the reasons why it's at least a policy vote for me.

I like this post by DJ.

Getting scum vibes from Raskol based on this post. Feels like fence sitting. Like he needs the details of both wagons so he can vote on one accordingly. He does this (IMO) so he doesn't actually have to come up with a case.

-Sanjay, why are you asking for town reads? (from a specific player?)
-Noted the good response by looker.

I still think CA is scummier. DJ is definitely second scummiest in my mind, but I don't plan on moving my vote unless I know the CA lynch isn't going to happen. If deadline comes closer and it has to be either DJ or [insert any name besides CA], I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him.

Can you explain why you think CA is town?

The only reason why you think CA is scummy is because you were arguing with him for 10 pages.

WTF dude? This is another gut activated post.
Gut again. (Raskol)

Maybe more tomorrow, hopefully.

[BigBear]

I'm looking for scum on the DRK wagon (most probable place for them to be at the moment) and Furry's not on the DRK wagon. Furry's given cases even before being asked. Furry's defended an easy lynch.

All of these things make Furry, in my eyes, less likely to be scum than either KoC or BigBear.

Between KoC and BigBear I prefer lynching BigBear as he will leave the most connections behind and has been individually scummier on top of that, whereas my main point against KoC is his position on the wagon and his pushing of a weak anti-town-tell (jester spec) as sole reason for that vote. BigBear's got both of those plus extra.

Anyway,

unvote

Vote: BigBear

I'm willing to compromise and go to KoC if necessary, with ZazieR remaining a viable choice if neither of those are workable (but would still prefer replacement instead---it's been over 8 days now and I think we're due for one!).

This feels OMIGUSy.


Zazie is an excellent player, and i think losing him would be bad.

By the way, if I haven't said this already, I am going to join Team Vote Practically Anywhere To Keep DRK From Being Lynched.

I have absolutely no respect for the reasons of half the people on that wagon.

If this is true, vote BigBear, you'll have more of a chance for a lynch than being the only one on KoC.

Why do you think I am scum?

I don't think you're scum,

I think you're far from it and one of our more intelligent players; however, I

do

believe

you to have been assigned a Mafia role within this online game

that we're playing with one another. This is simply due to the fact that I fail to see the point of any scrutiny regarding the Jester Debates. I'm not saying that this is concrete; however, I'm simply trying to make this a win-win situation. If DRK comes up Mafia, then hurrah, you're a hero to me, BigBear; however, if he comes up Town, I find you slightly more suspicious than the rest. It's a matter of balance and trying to keep said balance by preparing for all possibilities.

Besides, I told you from the beginning that I distrusted how intelligent you were. The smart ones are always the bad guys so there you have it.

So.... I'm not scum, but i've been given a mafia role?

[BigBear]

[/b] Unvote:

Vote: Don_Johnson.[/b]

Only gone i guess...

i just hope the mod counts it :/

[BigBear]

Unvote:

Vote: Don_Johnson.

Only gone i guess...

i just hope the mod counts it :/

[BigBear]

Vote: DeathRowKitty

Post 1000, you said that you didn't like lynching claimed power roles day 1.
--Then a little bit later you "Fix" his quote.
Why did you presume, or at least act like you knew he was fake claiming? I'm going to have to do a reread, because it's been at least a week since this thread has been in my head, but weren't you under a lot of pressure? This seems like you bussed DJ, IMO.

last time i fakeclaim cop.

Fixed

I'll leave my vote here for now.

[BigBear]

Yay, I'm still alive! Means I can't be that much of a threat!

vote Sanjay

Or you're scum.

[BigBear]

I still ain't telling you.

I am a fan of this.

[BigBear]

@BB and KoC
No response to my response?

I am so sorry, I have been in a total of 13 hours of meetings in the past two days;NOT including classes, in regards of a fraternity that is in serious needs. I will do my best to get a post up shortly, however that does not guarantee when it will occur.

[BigBear]

I still wish to play, however i am unable to post until tomorrow, most likely in the morning.

[BigBear]

uot;]Why did you presume, or at least act like you knew he was fake claiming? I'm going to have to do a reread, because it's been at least a week since this thread has been in my head, but weren't you under a lot of pressure? This seems like you bussed DJ, IMO.

As for why I acted like I knew he was fake claiming, it's a two-part answer and you won't like either part.

1. I wanted to avoid suspicion for my vote. If I sounded wishy-washy about it and decided to vote him anyway, it would look very suspicious. Avoiding suspicion is (IMO) a townie's second or third most important duty (if no townies are suspicious enough tor mislynch (and assuming there's never a no lynch), you can't lose).
2. One of my main reasons for voting him was the fact that CA was probably cop. I was hoping to draw some of the cop suspicion onto myself by sounding overly confident.

Yea, your right, I didn't really like those answers.

vote raskol

DRK wagon is very stupid now, he is obv-town. Like really obv-town. I had CA-DJ mixed up yesterday, but this one was right. DJ was pushing hard on DRK, DJ was happy letting DRK drift to a deadline lynch, DRK backed a DJ wagon over KoC, CA and Zazie wagons late D1. There is no way DRK is going to be scum.

If you want you can also look at the fact that late in D1 the two competing wagons were DRK and DJ since CA seemed to be slipping into the darkness. I dont think that I have ever seen scum let the top two wagons both be scum with no hard pushes on any other wagons. DRK scum would mean that scum were kicking back and letting scum get lynched when there were options (about half the game had a wagon). Again this just is not happening. I would almost bet the game on DRK-town at this point.

I disagree. That doesn't make him obv town. Just because you haven't seen two scum wagons near lynch doesn't meant that it's not possible. Actually, I think that it happened near the end of my first newbie game. It's possible. That's all.

Mafia of this game

Don_Johnson
Sanjay
Cydonia - Furry - Raskol

I'm just sayin'

Case on sanjay? Please

Vote: BigBear

I've really been going ??? about post 1023.

Looker makes a perfectly normal post about how she wasn't planning on reading anything into the lack of her being nightkilled, and BigBear goes all "maybe you are scum, Looker", which seems like a sort of chainsaw defense of me.

Which is weird. You don't chainsaw defend the people you should be suspicious of. And BigBear more than anyone should be suspicious of me. I started up a bandwagon on him moving pressure away from known scum. And somehow, when Looker is like "Yeah, vote Sanjay" BigBear goes after her?

QUESTION MARK QUESTION MARK QUESTION MARK

I think you're overreacting slightly to that remark Sanjay. And I don't like it. If we were scum-partners you and I, why would you point out that I was using a chainsaw defense? So the question is, why are you concerned with me "attacking your attacker?"And when did I really "Go after her?" Did I vote looker?

Also im really confused over the fact that you are almost calling him suspicious because he isnt suspicious of you.

This too.

I am calling him suspicious because he isn't suspicious of me.

Are you expecting me to vote you or something?

This smells of baiting.

I guess I might as well say something Sanjay, - Are you really open to any wagon other than yours?

Hi I'm replacing Raskol. (And I'm not answering for anything he said. I stopped reading what he said because it was

torturous

.)

In which way?

I don't like the way that Achebob wanted to essentially speed lynch Zazie.... putting us to night really fast...hmm...

I don’t think I’ll ever finish reading or referring back in this game so I will just jump in (after staring at the water for the last week).

The only two things I can be sure of at this moment are that don_johnson is scum and ConfidAnon is town. I know...impressive analysis.
Looking over their ISO...and in the interest of getting involved...I get a town read from DRK and am happy to steer clear of him at the moment (subject to change of course). dj was all over DRK on D1 and while he (dj) could have just been bussing his arse off...I am inclined to think not. I also got a gut feel during dj’s ISO that Bigbear was scum.
I see the DRK CA jester debate as town on town. I doubt DRK would debate so long on CA...then go for a NK on CA. Other people I’m looking at are Furry and zazie. I remain suspicious of everyone. I’m holding off on my vote for now consider it pointing towards BB.

I don't like this. Not all OMIGUS.

All you know is that DJ is scum and CA is town... Good Job at reading the Deathlist! Why wouldn't DJ be bussing DRK? It seemed likely that he would have been lynched, therefore DJ would want DRK as far away from him as possible. This goes very well with my initial posts at the beginning of day two where I am asking DRK why

knew

DJ was fake claiming. So when you say that DRK is obv town, I don't like it. And how "was" I scum? Evidence?

That's not really the case I was asking for, Looker. I knew and I presume everyone else knew you were voting me for those reasons.

I'm going back to doing this:

Vote BigBear

BigBear, I'd like you to comment on my day one post against you and the reasons I stated for voting for you day one.

Also, if you could comment on what you thought about DRK's posts so far as justifying his late joining of the DJ wagon, that would be solid.

I thought I did clarify my posts on why I disliked DRK's vote.

Anyways. Looking over that post that you just gave me there Sanjay, I don't really have much to answer for because it felt that most of those questions were just comments and not actually questions.

I feel that post you linked above is very scummy actually. You used a few posts of mine that were very early in the game, some of which were still during the RVS time. Why did it take you so long to bring these questions up? Why did you wait until the last moment to bring up a case on me?

Drum-roll please, I need some anticipation for my vote!

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*** Unvote:DRK ***

*** Vote: Sanjay ***

[BigBear]

Oh I know, it was just my epic return

[BigBear]

Grandmother just passed away and the viewing and funeral are on friday and saturday, which leaves a lot of traveling for me in the next few days, I will be out until Sunday evening. And I will get back to everyone's questions then.

[BigBear]

Grandmother just passed away and the viewing and funeral are on friday and saturday, which leaves a lot of traveling for me in the next few days, I will be out until Sunday evening. And I will get back to everyone's questions then.

[BigBear]

Ha ha, welcome to the game, BigBear. Thanks for replacing in.

If you thought my day one case against you was extremely scummy, why are you just voting for me now?

Because when I was MIA for a while it was mostly from the beginning of day two, I hadn't posted much of anything, so i figured i'd review some end of day 1 activities. Also at the beginning of Day 2, I was suspicious of DRK for his end of D1 activities.

Here's the timeline I see:

I post a case against BigBear that BigBear considers "very scummy".
I suggest people vote for BigBear instead of DJ.
DJ flips scum.
BigBear votes DRK and ignores me.


What?

Your time-line is off. I didn't even look at your case against me until after I voted DRK.

Also, bullshit on that case being "very scummy". Why? Because it was stuff that happened early in the game? That's real funny for someone who was trying to policy lynch DRK yesterday because of jester speculation on page 8. I think your stance as a jester speculation policy lyncher is totally wacky given how freely you yourself talked about jesters, and I don't think because it was early in the game you get to just magically wave it off.

When I "Freely" talked about jesters it was mainly me saying that we should lynch players that suggest jesters, and me saying that we should lynch DRK for bringing up jesters. Every time someone brought up the idea of a jester in a game that I have played, they were scum. I'm just saying.

The reason I didn't bring up that stuff at the time is because I didn't notice it as weird at the time. I didn't want to lynch DJ after he caught up, especially after he claimed power role, so I was looking for other lynch options.

So what made me stand out as opposed to other players?

Why didn't you talk about that very scummy post until now? Did you miss it or something?

See above.

Also, BigBear, I thought I made it clear why I thought you were suspicious for attacking my attacker. Because I don't see town doing it. Why are you having such trouble wrapping your head around that concept?

I'm playing rather reckless this game, in that i'm not really keeping track of some of my previous actions. Mainly because I've been so absent, and it's a rather long game.

I probably was reading a bit into that post, but the fact remains that this offense against me is coming much later than I would expect from town.

So because I didn't attack you earlier for this, it seems anti-town? Hope fully my above post explains this. I'll say it again I guess, I was rather lurking, and hadn't paid much attention to this game. Because of that, i hadn't gotten to anyone's posts really. yours stood out to me. It seemed like you wanted to distract the DJ wagon.

I am calling him suspicious because he isn't suspicious of me.

Are you expecting me to vote you or something?

This smells of baiting.

I guess I might as well say something Sanjay, - Are you really open to any wagon other than yours?

Could you clarify this? The tone is as if you discovered some amazing scumslip or something, but I really don't see what is remotely suspicious about me trying to attract players to a wagon I'm supporting.

It felt as if you wanted me to vote you, and because I didn't vote you, you became suspicious of me. Since I thought your case against me at the end of D1, you would presume that I would vote you for it at the beginning of D2, right? Well since I didn't actually look at that post until mid day, that idea of yours is false. And since you would have expected me to vote you, and I didn't, you called me suspicious. It just feels as if your initial case was baiting me to vote you, either at the end of day 1, or the beginning of day 2.

Wondering about BigBear since he was apparently on site near deadline, but not in thread (until hammer time). When I have been scum before with a buddy being the top wagon in a deadline crunch I feel like avoiding the thread as to not make matters worse for my team. This could apply to others in this game as well, BigBear was just pointed out as doing so in thread.

I'm not sure if this solves the statement against me, but I'm modding a mini-normal, and I was probably working on that during deadline, and forgot about the deadline here.

I can see reasons why a town power might want to soft claim instead of full claim.

I disagree, a "town" player soft claiming and refusing to full claim at L-1/L-2 is scummy in my eyes.

Basically I just thought he was an idiot.

Then why did you look at me as another lynch candidate?

@BB
I linked this post because it's too long to reasonably quote. In this post, your only comment about my defense is that you didn't like part of it, yet by the end of the post, you unvoted me and voted SJ. Is there something there I'm not getting? Also, it'd be nice if you could elaborate on what you didn't like about my post.

Would you like me to explain why I didn't like the answers? On the second one, could you point out posts where you thought CA was likely to be cop? Because I find that second answer to be more of a cop-out since we know that CA was a cop. As for the first one, its like your saying "oh I didn't want to look scummy, so I had to act confident." I just don't like that, it's like your trying to look like a town player.

Looker, my problem with lynching Sanjay is that

he is a rather costly mislynch.

I think that this game is extremely convoluted right now, and we're going to be better off in the long run cleaning up the town than trying to hit scummy players who are active posters. I don't see Sanjay as scummier than KoC, but i see KoC-town as way more useless than Sanjay-town.

There is no such thing as a

costly

mislynch. All lynches, even mislynches can yield important information.

A costly mislynch is one that hurts that the town in ways beyond simply being down another town player. This game suffers from a lack of cohesion, focus, and activity. From what I can tell, Sanjay has been instrumental in keeping this thread alive, simply because he posts coherently, and often. An environment without any players like Sanjay favors scum, because there is no organized structure by which you can measure a player's actions. They can slip by. SO...I'm saying that I'd rather keep Sanjay around because I'm not positive that he's scum, and I think the town will benefit more in the long run from narrowing itself down to a core of consistent players than it will from stabbing at who they think

might

be the scum right now.

I guess my question is, in this game-type, will

you

ever be certain that someone is scum, before you vote for them?

alright, i think KoC is really deserving of the wagon right now. Can we get the heat up?

Town or scum, he's the best lynch today,

and I think it's not implausible that he's scum. That last post was totally pointless, and looks like a text-book case of disinterested scum.

Can you give another example of a text-book case of disinterested scum? Or match it with some form of meta? So, in loo of your earlier posts, you think that this player is more likely to be scum than Sanjay?
-And a note towards the bolded, That doesn't fit with your earlier statements. specifically post 1207.

@BigBear, DRK, Semioldguy, & havingfitz: Content with the current situation or no?

No, I'd rather have Sanjay be the leading wagon. Duh.

BigBear was a fan of KoC avoiding the question for no reason, as I recall.

I think that's even weirder than KoC's question dodging.

But speaking of question dodging, KoC, did you ever get back to post 1072?

I'm a fan of gambits in general.

By the way, I'm totally down with archaebob being under some fire for his opinion, if only because I'm little taken aback with him not being totally down to lynch me. He knows why.

Why do you want everyone to be suspicious of you? This reminds me of DTM self voting and putting a case against himself at the beginning of day 2 of Battle Mafia. hmm....

AB activated my gut with the end of this post.

@ Sanjay
- What'd holding you up on BigBear? Why don't you vote KoC like everyone else?

- Are you not voting Eleven right now because you don't want anymore votes on KoC to compensate for your

insurgency

?

I guess those two could be put together if either flipped scum.

If you want a faster response from KoC, looker, I suggest you hop on board.

@ KoC-

C'mon, cut the crap, and post something. Don't waste your time, or time will waste you.

You seem to be rather aggressive now that you're on the leading wagon. In your own words can you explain the change of attitude that I have found in you?

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Why I don't like Furry's post and vote against me.
-He gives his "top 3" suspects
-Votes his third suspect, while his first listed one is the leading wagon, his second suspect is in 2nd place for a wagon, and his third place (me) has 1 vote I think.
- While he votes me he suggests that KoC should also vote me for self preservation, and then suggests that remaining scum vote as well to "contain" me.
-Yet you say you don't like being confined to this idea.

I don't see how town would vote for their third suspect, while their first is actually leading a wagon.

Granted KoC's recent posts have been anti-town, i'm happy with my vote for now.

[BigBear]

Bulletpoints:

I don't see how you missed my case initially and it feels like you decided it was super scummy after the fact.

I don't see why it is super scummy.

I don't understand your support of KoC's question dodging. (Also, how has KoC been anti-town? I thought you were a fan of this?)

Beyond making a wagon against you that distracted from the DJ wagon, I think your case against me sucks.

I'll answer these bulleted items quickly, because I want to go to bed. I'll take on the bigger post after classes tomorrow. hopefully.

1. I missed your case because it was on page 40. Page 41 was DRK's end of D1 activities. That's what I focused on mostly, because the Lynch scene was also there, and it seemed the most recent.

2. I'm sorry you don't see that.

3. KoC's earlier actions, where he was keeping it a secret for what I thought would be the time being, i liked. His attitude change and near refusal to answer what appears to be any questions, is anti-town in my eyes.

4. I guess it's a good thing that is the majority of my case.

[BigBear]

I still want to get to bed....

I'll get to your post later furry.

Re:Re: Point 2:
-I'll get to that later

Re:Re: Point 1:
No, I was somewhat lurky dude, don't you remember? I began modding my first game around that point. So when Day two occurred, and we had that freaking week long night 1, I came back and only looked page 41. I find it interesting that you are bashing me for not looking at it right away, I actually intend to bring something up about another player that happened on page 41, however I am not going to do it now because it's not the right time.

[BigBear]

I wasn't actually reading the thread, but I still thought it was a good idea for me to get in there and hammer DJ once it became clear he was going to be the day's lynch.

How did I know? MAGIC.

I think that just reinforces my point....

[BigBear]

Was your point that you are scum?

I don't know because I only read pages that have lynch scenes on them.

My point was that i was actively lurking and only had time to hammer. Then when I came back after a week I didn't read the whole thread.

[BigBear]

You were actively lurking but not reading the thread?

at that point in time i was very busy with other things, so in a sense, yes.

[BigBear]

what are you getting at here?

[BigBear]

Whenever i'm behind I always check the last page to see what's going on. I saw this post and figured i might as well vote.

Even if I had been reading, I would have seen the dead line looming, hammered, and gotten to your post probably near the beginning of day two. However since night 1 was 7 days, I probably would have forgotten about it anyways. Aside from that, your actions would have been, and still are scummy, regardless of what time i would have brought up the case. I would have called you out for the exact same thing, and your defense now, would not work the same if I had put the case against you at the beginning of day 2.

[BigBear]

EBWOP:

Because i'm bringing it up now, as opposed to earlier, you are saying (at least I am presuming this) that my actions are scummy, whereas if I had brought this case up earlier, you would not be able to say this. Then I guess I would have an air tight case.... right?

[BigBear]

BigBear was my second suspect, and remains a top suspect behind you. I would prefer his lynch over Knight of Cydonia's lynch at this point in time. More recently archaebob has raised significantly in suspicion. Furry seems less scummy, but I will keep my eye on him.

Do you find the little spat between Sanjay and I as Scum-Scum?

[BigBear]

BigBear, do you think the day 1 case itself against you is scummy, or do you just consider it scummy given the context?

Both.
-The fact that it was (IMO) a delayed post, in that... well... you should see in the next post.
- And that it felt like you were trying to derail DJ's wagon by providing an alternate lynch after DJ "claimed."

[BigBear]

Let's do this quote war style:


By end of D1 activities you mean what? The last ten posts before the lynch scene? How was my day 1 case against you not a end of day 1 activity? How did you miss it?

I went over this i already.

This doesn't answer the main point. What is so scummy about that case? I don't see it at all.

What's scummy about the case is, it came up nearly out of no where, and most of your points against me where in the first 10 pages, why did it take you 30 pages to get to them? Your case against me, is similar to your defense against my case against you. If you follow that. Basically, there was a large gap between my actions, and your case, all the while you were still active in the game. It felt that you were trying to derail DJ's wagon near deadline. While My case against you was rather delayed, it was because I was inactive. now you are blaming me for not bringing the case up earlier, and that's pretty much your defense against my case, that i'm scummy because I didn't bring it up right away. I can say the same thing against you. I'm just saying.

Also, if you policy lynch people for jester speculation, why haven't you given Furry any trouble? Bagel bites, man. Nook did just as much jester speculation as DRK did.

Negative. DRK brought up the Jester Idea. Nook appeared to be clarifying, in some sense. Though you could pin him with bringing it up, I still feel that DRK heavily hinted at it.

The reason I didn't bring up that stuff at the time is because I didn't notice it as weird at the time. I didn't want to lynch DJ after he caught up, especially after he claimed power role, so I was looking for other lynch options.

So what made me stand out as opposed to other players?

I believe I explained this. I thought the DRK wagon was a good place to look because everyone on it was ridiculous, and your posts seemed scummier than KoC's.

How was DRK's wagon ridiculous?

Uh, so because I incorrectly assumed that you actually read the thread, somehow I'm in the wrong?

I just don't understand why you were surprised that I wasn't voting for you.

It's not baiting. It's INCORRECTLY ASSUMING YOU AREN'T TERRIBLE.

So I didn't fall for your trap?

Also, what did that have to do with the post you linked to?

It is what I felt was baiting i think.

I can see reasons why a town power might want to soft claim instead of full claim.

I disagree, a "town" player soft claiming and refusing to full claim at L-1/L-2 is scummy in my eyes.

That's not a disagreement. That's an irrelevant statement to my point. Easy mistake, I know. How does you thinking that conflict with me seeing reasons why a town power might want to soft claim? Hint: It doesn't.

I can see reasons why a town power might not want to full claim, because if they actually are town power, it only really helps the mafia. I guess general best practice is for town power to full claim, but that doesn't change the fact that I understood the perspective DJ was faking.

No, because at L-1 soft claiming is a way for scum to persuade town into keeping them alive for a night. If town were to be at L-1 they are more likely to full claim in hopes of the town believing them, and if they have several investigations completed, or actions that would make sense, the town would be more likely to keep them around. I've seen more scum soft claim at L-1 then town. The only time I really soft claimed was early in day 2 in Day Night Mafia, then I claimed shortly after. But generally as town I full claim right away.

BigBear was a fan of KoC avoiding the question for no reason, as I recall.

I think that's even weirder than KoC's question dodging.

But speaking of question dodging, KoC, did you ever get back to post 1072?

I'm a fan of gambits in general.

So you probably have some insight into what KoC is trying to pull here, right? We are all kind of in the dark about this so if you want to explain that one, that would be solid.

Why do you think that I know what's going through his head? He's practically going AWOL.

Is question dodging for no reason a gambit now?

No, it's not a cop-out, at the time I felt it more of a gambit, after his actions now, i would agree that he's dodging questions.

By the way, I'm totally down with archaebob being under some fire for his opinion, if only because I'm little taken aback with him not being totally down to lynch me. He knows why.

Why do you want everyone to be suspicious of you? This reminds me of DTM self voting and putting a case against himself at the beginning of day 2 of Battle Mafia. hmm....

Just like town-BigBear, I feel like archaebob has special reason to mistrust me. I hardly think two people constitute everyone.

Does this deal with Meta?

@ Sanjay
- What'd holding you up on BigBear? Why don't you vote KoC like everyone else?

- Are you not voting Eleven right now because you don't want anymore votes on KoC to compensate for your

insurgency

?

I guess those two could be put together if either flipped scum.

Really and truly? Do you really think my not moving my vote from you was unjustified in the slightest? You hadn't posted a response to anything I said.

I'll post a TLDR version of this post in my next post.

sure :X whatever?? (What does TLDR mean :X)

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-Furry
--So wait... I guess I was confused because your post made it look like your top subject was KoC, then Sanjay, then me.

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Was your point that you are scum?

I don't know because I only read pages that have lynch scenes on them.

That's a nice hasty generalization there. And i can prove you wrong. Just look at This post.

Because a week is so long to remember that someone tried to vote for you for extremely scummy reasons.

Why even vote? Because DRK asked you to? The deadline lynch rules made your vote entirely irrelevant.

Besides, page 41 is a really wacky page. You are telling me that reading that didn't make you the least bit curious to look back a page to see how we came to that?

This all just seems so implausible, BigBear.

1. It is, especially if I didn't read page 40 right away.
2. Yes, I was unaware of the deadline rules, and there was no way another lynch was going to occur.
3. How is it wacky? Nope, I wasn't curious. If I looked at page 40, i would have been mostly concerned with the case against DJ, not you.
4.It's really not. You just don't want to believe me.

If you had brought this up a week ago, you'd have a relatively good case against me that would happen to be wrong. I wouldn't be suspicious of you for that. I really don't see what is inherently scummy about my day 1 post against you as you implied, but duh duh duh, I've been over this a thousand million times that I wouldn't be suspicious of you if you had come out of the gate swinging at me.

It's just that you used a bunch of EARLY day 1 activities (first 10 or so pages) to build a semi case against me, and used it 30 pages later. It just seems fishy to me, and like you were trying to derail the DJ wagon.

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DRK, as I am looking into this post of yours, I can agree that CA acts like he has insider information. Not the bolded so much, but the four words after the bolded.

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Sanjay, what is your case against Eleven?

I could see Archebob and Sanjay both being scum.
-I would be satisfied with either of their lynches.

Looker, the reason I added you to the list is you are basically unreadable. If I can't lynch a scummy read, I'd rather lynch someone I can't read than someone I feel like I can.

Then don't ever play with mastin. I tend to save unreadable players for Night Kills and Investigations when I have power roles. Just a little Meta tip for you guys out there

Also, scum may just resort to a screw you attitude to try to avoid lynch

I half expected to see a KoC Post there.

So what are you suggesting? Zazie's replacement is scum with DJ?

The difference between DJ's screw you attitude and KoC's is timing. DJ's came after his lynch was probably coming through and it didn't matter. KoC's came at a time when everyone was like "oh, there's a deadline coming up, I wonder who we should lynch". Seems like a ridiculously bad time for mafia to do that. I guess it could be a WIFOMy thing, but it seems pretty darn risky, especially with a day one scum lynch.

Basically this post is why I'm okay about KoC's jester vote.

Here's what I don't like about BigBear's defense:

*I think I have a good case against him and it seems like he is acting like I don't.
*Also, he brought up my scumminess as if it had anything to do with my case against him here.

So, in loo of recent events, do you mind reiterating your case against me? That I may shoot it down... again.

Life Lessons from BigBear

1. Whenever player A put a case against player B, Player B will always think it's shit.

[BigBear]

Do you find the little spat between Sanjay and I as Scum-Scum?

I think it could be.

That would be one hell of a Bus between us.



Looker, what do you make of this quote?

unvote, vote: bigbear

bb it is. looker, please switch.

[BigBear]

Looker, it just seems slightly damning. Like a dying scum screaming to his partner that he cannot out of game talk to, begging you to switch your vote. I know I can't really push a case on it. It just seems odd that he pointed you out.

Besides, DRK had said that he didn't understand you, not DJ. And I don't understand how that insinuates that you are an easily persuaded player.

[BigBear]

So Furry, one of the reasons you are suspicious of me, is because I spread my votes around?

[BigBear]

I'd be playing in snow if I were you.

Im a little old to be going crazy in snow, but my reading spot up on Mt. Diablo is really pretty right now (although really cold)

That sounds beautiful. I've always wanted to ascend a mountain, and I forgot you were one of those things, those

grown-up

things,

yuck

! I'm gonna be like Peter Pan and NEVER grow old!

Im only in my early 20s... Diablo is only about a 4000ft mountain though, even the longest hike is just short of 20 miles round trip. Near the coast though you can see for quite a ways, so its a good relaxation area.

@BB - You jumped it around with what sure looks like intention to save DJs hide day one. You were on every competing wagon.

But was that all near deadline? If so, how close was it to deadline?

[BigBear]

Is it not scummy if it isn't close to the deadline, BigBear?

Yes?

Ok, you know when there is a high likelihood of Player A being lynched?
After that point in time happens, there really isn't much turning back (except for when there are two likely lynch candidates) , At that point, if I had been throwing my vote around like nobodies business, then yes, it would have been scummy.

[BigBear]

Is it not scummy if it isn't close to the deadline, BigBear?

Stop using double negatives. it's a dick move.

[BigBear]

Oh? How would you have phrased it?

Is it scummy when it is close to deadline?

[BigBear]

And don't call me sweet.

I'm a guy now

, damn it.

That's creepy as shit dude.

[BigBear]

I find it interesting how you're pressuring other players to vote your way. This will be interesting if DKU is lynched.

[BigBear]

I think you are a bit mixed up about who DKU's most likely scumbuddy is.

enlighten me.

[BigBear]

^^^^

That was to Furry, of course.

My bad.

[BigBear]

Actually, BigBear, I mean to do a little pressuring other players to vote my way myself. You got a problem with that?

I just find that it's coming after an interesting time in the game, that's all.

[BigBear]

yea... that's a pretty weak defense on his part...

[BigBear]

Still prefer Sanjay to any other vote. DKU is close behind, though.
Do not appreciate current mentality of town, which seems to be "If SJ is scum, KoC is bussing scum... if SJ is town, KoC is still scum." Seems like certain people have already decided they want me lynched, regardless of alignment. These people should be watched.

This is COMPLETELY in conflict with KoC's previous posts.

KoC loved an eleven lynch. Iso read the guy.

Interesting find...

[BigBear]

I'll read that shit tomorrow. Right now I have to do two papers and study for a big test.

[BigBear]

I think it would be worthwhile for the top candidates to claim.

[BigBear]

Vote Count

Sanjay (5) - BigBear looker semioldguy Knight of Cydonia danakillsu

danakillsu (5)

- Furry Sanjay havingfitz DeathRowKitty archaebob

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: Friday 11 Dec @ 11pm EST

Bold

indicates the current person who will be lynched when deadline is reached.

@Mod Why DKU? Didn't Sanjay have the accumulated 5 votes before DKU?

Because Looker unvoted then revoted for Sanjay. Sanjay dropped to 4 votes, then went back up to 5.

[BigBear]

Would you like to claim the other dead guy's role? (I might believe you if you do.)

Huh?

He wants you to claim scum.

[BigBear]

Vote Furry

Check.

[BigBear]

Dude, you know how much I want Sanjay lynched, but you should realize that Furry was the one that started TWO wagons to save Sanjay's ass. Now, I don't care which one we lynch, just so long as they both go down.

Unvote:
Vote: Sanjay

[BigBear]

I need to see the case on Sanjay. if you've already posted it, please link me. my read of Day 1 gave him a strong town read, and everything he posts continues to fit this image. i assume there must be some critical section of the game that I'm not paying attention to, so I would appreciate some comprehensive summaries of what the hell is going on here.

my gut is honestly getting the scummiest vibes from semi-old guy and looker. but again, I need to see if the case on Sanjay justifies the absolute self-assuredness that I'm seeing here.

vote: semi-old guy

Sanjay likes to derail lynches, specifically the trying to derail the DJ wagon by bringing up a case against me with extremely old material (first 10 pages or so) then he also worked his balls off to try and get KOC lynched, and when that didn't work, him and furry made a bullshit case on DKU.

[BigBear]

Yes, i am scum because I was against a wagon that you were pushing for... that just so happened to be town...


*facepalm*


More to come tomorrow after my finals.

[BigBear]

damnit. I didn't like Sanjay's claim because he had NO mention of being a resident.

Vote stays on Sanjay!

[BigBear]

/LA because of finals.


I just want sanjay lynched. Then furry.

[BigBear]

I don't know. It makes sense to me for there to be a Sanjay/Furry scumteam. Both avoided the DJ wagon Day 1 and both collaborated to pull off the Danakillsu lynch Day 2. And, as far as the recent devopment of Furry's opinion, as I stated before, bussing gets you brownie points in my book.

QFT.

[BigBear]

Furry: Why is it yesterday you thought my vanilla town claim made me townier than a bag of chips but you just remembered today that the PM said resident?

Missed this, Mr. Feline.

Because he didn't think he would have to bus you later.

[BigBear]

@

Looker

, semioldguy, BigBear, Furry
How adamant are you about your Sanjay votes?

Also, I just lost the game.

very adamant.

and great.

[BigBear]

Im not going to change my vote unless its to AB, even then its not all that likely even if you disgregard ABs eventual vote of Sanjay for self-pres.

we'll get AB's replacement tomorrow damnit.

[BigBear]

This is probably Lylo.

I think Furry or Looker is scum.
-mostly gut for looker.
-Furry derailing wagons.

[BigBear]

Scumlist

Furry
Looker
Archebob's replacement.
DRK
SemiOldGuy

[BigBear]

@Everyone

STOP POSTING SCUMLISTS. IF WE NO LYNCH (WHICH WE SHOULD), YOU'RE JUST HELPING SCUM CHOOSE THEIR NIGHT KILL TARGETS.

Mine was in no specific order.


In other news:

Ok, sorry guys, I've been super busy with the holidays and actually getting some work hours. Tomorrow afternoon I am free. I will work on updating all 5 of my games so that means it might take a little while getting to this one, but i will try to have updates on all of them by tomorrow. if I don't, please bare with me. i have off work on monday, so monday morning i

will

have updates. So, while waiting, please enjoy this cool song.

-Love BB.

[BigBear]

FINAL Vote Count Day 1

don_johnson

(8)

- ZazieR

Shrinehme

DeathRowKitty

ConfidAnon

Furry

don_johnson

BigBear

Looker
ZazieR (1) - archaebob

BigBear

(1) -

Sanjay

Not voting:

Knight of Cydonia

Raskol

Final Vote Count D2

Sanjay

(3) -

BigBear

looker semioldguy

danakillsu

danakillsu

(6)

- Furry

Sanjay havingfitz

DeathRowKitty archaebob

Knight of Cydonia

danakillsu

Resident

is lynched!

Vote Count

BigBear (1) - havingfitz

Sanjay

(5)

- semioldguy looker

BigBear

Furry DeathRowKitty
semioldguy (2) -

Sanjay

archeabob

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Sanjay

Resident

is lynched!

Notes from me:
-Furry has been on every lynch
-DRK has also been on every lynch. Somewhat of the middle on wagons 1 and 2, and the last on the third lynch.
-Looker and I have the same voting patterns. I could see him as town. If looker's scum, then i'll be impressed.
-In regards to what sanjay said, SOG is scum, i don't know, he definitely could be, but he was the first vote on DJ, and since then stuck with the sanjay vote for the rest of the game. Possible scum.

:I recant half of what I said in 1208

Bow before my ovaries.

you're too young.

Looker, what's so town about Archebob?

Was that daykill legit? if so, sweet. That ruins the point of a no lynch -.-

However, if the daykill wasn't legit, i'm down for a no lynch, then a MC tomorrow.

[BigBear]

Lol. Daykill was faked.

[BigBear]

I'm not really digging a no lynch.

If we mislynch, then we lose...

if we no lynch, we go from six to five players. Out of the five players... it should be easier to know who is scum... right?

sigh....

don't like it... but i guess its the best thing we have.

FoS: SemiOldGuy

Unvote:
Vote: No Lynch

[BigBear]

God fucking damnit!!!!