Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)
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Going to wait till soras says it's alright before I start voting.-
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....Jack wrote:Does anyone know what the **** is a "traitor"?
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Traitor
Vote: Jack-
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It's weird, because he registered in 2006.Twomz wrote:Jack... that's like posting "Mod says I'm some kind of serial killer, I don't know what my alignment is, can y'all help?"...
Don't know if I should vote you or not... awaiting explanation.
I'll bite though. Who the hell asks about their own role on page two?-
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I still want Jack to talk though. Who the hell says something like that, in all honesty?-
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That's fine, whatever makes him speak more about his post. I'm still not exactly sure if it's pure scummy or not, but regardless, it's just a weird post, no matter how much experience he has. This is the first instance of non-RVS posting in this game, so of course I'm going to question it.Friend wrote:Also:
Jack is not a VI - I've read games that he's in. You assuming that he is, in fact, telling the truth here feels suspect.DemonHybrid wrote:Who the hell asks about their own role on page two?
I honestly don't expect a lynch of him, however. Too much experience, too noobish of a mistake.-
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See Pie's post. =PTheLonging wrote:Vote: Fugitive[/b[ This is not an RVS vote. He's really dangerous as scum. We should all keep an eye on him.
Also Jack's post was so obvious. If you think he's actually a traitor...
Friend's up there on the scum list at the moment despite it being too early, Jack's neutral until he says more.
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What else do you want to discuss, then?TheLonging wrote:Pie only went for Friend and not DH. I assume this is because Pie just jumped on a non-SH member (LOLBIAS)
Anyways this is retarded. Can we not talk about how Jack got us out of RVS? Any more discussion is useless, and those who pursue it (IE: DH) should be questioned further.
I rest my case Your Honor.-
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This is getting good.
I'm starting to know who to go after.
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I never said that I was....I said you were high on my scumlist and that Jack was neutral. I never said anyone else wasn't high up there as well...paranoid much.Friend wrote:I'll assume you're referring to me.
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Anyway, Friend, just waiting for a good time to post this, is all. I feel like it's a good time now.
And here we gooooooo
A: You really want to focus on the fact that I took my vote on Jack "seriously". I really wanted to see how far you'd take your argument on me, and wow, did you ever take it far. Of COURSE I know Jack posted that purposely, no one can be that stupid. In your eyes, you could be town seeing dumb-scum, yeah, but I really think that your seriousness of your vote on me really shines as scummy to me, especially since you took your defense to the extreme here. And it's a bit ironic that you mentioned the "noobish mistake" part...that was the peanut butter in the mouse-trap.Friend wrote:InflatablePie wrote:Vote: Friend
1) Player A claims mafia, setting a trap for someone to vote him.
2) Player B falls for it and votes Player A.
Anyone could see that's what Jack was doing. So technically, the one jumping on an easy target is, in fact, Friend: the person voting for Player B.
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Now's the time to mention to the other players that many of us know each other from another place. Hello Fugi, r2r, Demon, MvK and TL. And soras.POINT A:I'm confused. So DemonHybrid falling for said trap is townie in your eyes, but me voting him for it is not?
DemonHybrid apparently still took it somewhat seriously, though, take a look:
You wouldn't refer to a gambit like that as a "noobish mistake" if you understood what was going on.DemonHybrid wrote:Too much experience, too noobish of a mistake.
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See Pie's post. =PTheLonging wrote:Vote: Fugitive[/b[ This is not an RVS vote. He's really dangerous as scum. We should all keep an eye on him.
Also Jack's post was so obvious. If you think he's actually a traitor...
Friend's up there on the scum list at the moment despite it being too early, Jack's neutral until he says more.
Waiting for Friend's reply to Pie's post.POINT B:Here, Demon blatantly piggybacks after your defense of him, never mentioning me or my vote on him until you show up.
TheLonging wrote:Pie only went for Friend and not DH. I assume this is because Pie just jumped on a non-SH member (LOLBIAS)
Anyways this is retarded. Can we not talk about how Jack got us out of RVS? Any more discussion is useless, and those who pursue it (IE: DH) should be questioned further.
I rest my case Your Honor.POINT C:Don't like this one bit - talking about how Jack got us out of RVS is good.
TheLonging wrote:He's saying that DH's normal meta would be to see how obvious Jack would be doing, so he voted for Friend instead. He never once considered DH voting Jack for the same reasons.
IP obviously won't say yes, it'll just make him look stupid.POINT D:You're putting words into people's mouths. I don't think he was saying that at all.
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This is getting confusing.ManfredvonKarma wrote:
So, you're fine with DH voting Jack, but not fine with Friend voting for DH using the exact logic that you gave for voting Friend?InflatablePie wrote:I figured DH would see how obvious Jack was being, so I didn't think of this. I see where you're coming from, but I think Friend is more opportunistic.
I don't find DH voting Jack scummy.
I find Friend jumping onto an easy target scummy.
It may be similar logic, but it has to do with timing as well.POINT E:But DH was jumping onto an easy target, so it's the same idea. I'm not sure quite what the difference here is.
Haschel Cedricson wrote:EBOWP: The case on Friend is a good one too. I don't like his apparent assumption that the trap was intended for DH.POINT F:That's what it felt like to me. I don't think Demon took it at face value, but rather acted like he did so he could throw the vote down.
B: I didn't really need to say that I suspected you before Pie did, let's be honest here. Me saying that is a bit of a scumtrap-slip, I have to admit, but the fact that you're still not seeing my non-seriousness of my vote on Jack even after this post is even more mindblowing and knocks down your defense.
C: Not really, if you know that the Jack traitor gambit was obvious, then why do we need to talk about it?
D: <captainobvious> I'd let him defend himself, maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but you can't make that call either. </captainobvious>
E: It's not an easy target if it's this obvious, so the difference is what you'd call an easy target in this case.
F: A little bit of a flaily defense. Again, no one's that stupid to take something like that at face value.
Vote: Friend
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I don't know...his vote seems preeeetty serious to meInflatablePie wrote: I can't tell if Fugi is still RVSing or not.-
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Hey, I don't mind long posts.
By the way, maybe Fugitive is chillin back and waiting for someone to say something incriminating. Who knows.
Since I explained myself, why aren't you suspecting Fugitive more then, esurio?-
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By the way, fair enough esurio.
So I think it's safe to say that Jack's gambit was for the one voting him first.
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A: lolseriousness. You're reading way into the prospect of me "taking it seriously" when I never did. I wanted to see who would suspect me the most while I fell for his gambit, and you're it, IMO.Friend wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:A: You really want to focus on the fact that I took my vote on Jack "seriously". I really wanted to see how far you'd take your argument on me, and wow, did you ever take it far. Of COURSE I know Jack posted that purposely, no one can be that stupid. In your eyes, you could be town seeing dumb-scum, yeah, but I really think that your seriousness of your vote on me really shines as scummy to me, especially since you took your defense to the extreme here. And it's a bit ironic that you mentioned the "noobish mistake" part...that was the peanut butter in the mouse-trap.POINT A:So what did you think Jack was pulling when you voted him if you weren't taking it seriously? Oh, and you keep talking about how your vote was all just a joke, but then this...
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It's weird, because he registered in 2006.Twomz wrote:Jack... that's like posting "Mod says I'm some kind of serial killer, I don't know what my alignment is, can y'all help?"...
Don't know if I should vote you or not... awaiting explanation.
I'll bite though.Who the hell asks about their own role on page two?POINT B:And this...
That doesn't exactly scream "non-serious vote" to me.DemonHybrid wrote:I still want Jack to talk though. Who the hell says something like that, in all honesty?
I don't have anything really to say to your other points - nothing worth mentioning is in there. A lot of that stuff seems like we were misunderstanding each other or it's not important to the subject at hand.
POINT C:You and esurio turning suspicion onto fugitive, whose playstyle is blunt and concise, reads a little scummy to me too. Guys like that are easy for scum to point at and go "wah he's not explaining himself OMG how scummy" when really it's not.
B: I should've screamed for more attention to my vote on Jack then, but I think that if I did that, I would've attracted town votes instead.
C: Neither of us have talked about Fugitive's scumminess. I simply asked her whether or not she was suspecting him for withholding information. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on were yours and Jack's.
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For some points that I didn't elaborate on that well:
Seriously taking an RVS vote into consideration to bring things out of RVS. A little eager to start putting heat onto people.Friend wrote:Kov, why are you so afraid about Twomz OMGUS-ing you?
I never said I was going to vote for you. At that point, I could've gone after Pie as well, but you were thinking about yourself instead. Way to quick to defend yourself, here.Friend wrote:I'll assume you're referring to me.
What, specifically, are you waiting for?
You're feeling a little heated; time to turn the argument against someone else when no one was really talking about him that much (other than Pie, but you didn't mention him; just esurio and I). In fact, going by your logic, I'm surprised you're not pointing at least an eye at IP.Friend wrote: You and esurio turning suspicion onto fugitive, whose playstyle is blunt and concise, reads a little scummy to me too. Guys like that are easy for scum to point at and go "wah he's not explaining himself OMG how scummy" when really it's not.
Preview Edit: Esurio: My point is, Friend seems to be jumping the gun a little bit as far as arguments concerning him goes. There's a difference between assumption when it concerns someone relevant to the conversation and assumption when someone isn't. (Nervousness can cause this.)
Preview Edit towards Friend:
1st point: Yep.
2nd point: You'd think that when I made such a big deal about making Jack talk, it'd be obvious that I knew that he wasn't that stupid...I even mentioned his sign up date @_@
3rd point: *I've never talked about Fugitive's scumminess. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on....
Mistype, sorry about that. It's pretty late here.
4th point: I was more or less curious about why she wasn't voting for him if Fugi did the same thing that I did in her eyes. Question answered, question dropped.
It ended right here. One could say that you're diverting attention away from yourself as well =PDemonHybrid wrote:By the way, fair enough esurio.-
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A: It can be...however, it seems too forced in this case. What about his post made you think that he was legit scared to be OMGUS'd and not just joking?Friend wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:A little eager to start putting heat onto people.A:That's a good thing, IMO. You're stretching now.
DemonHybrid wrote:You're feeling a little heated; time to turn the argument against someone else when no one was really talking about him that much (other than Pie, but you didn't mention him; just esurio and I). In fact, going by your logic, I'm surprised you're not pointing at least an eye at IP.B:IP didn't act like he was suspicious. If you actually, you know, read my post, you could have noticed that I wasn't suspecting Fugitive for anything.
DemonHybrid wrote:3rd point: *I've never talked about Fugitive's scumminess. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on....C:Pretty big mistype, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and assume (OMG) that you were just skimming.
DemonHybrid wrote:Preview Edit: Esurio: My point is, Friend seems to be jumping the gun a little bit as far as arguments concerning him goes. There's a difference between assumption when it concerns someone relevant to the conversation and assumption when someone isn't. (Nervousness can cause this.)D:If the arguments are poor, of course I'm going to defend myself against them. I'm not going to sit back and let you attack me without posting a response.
E:And yeah, I don't believe that you "fake-fell" for Jack's move for a second based on your posts afterwards. That vote was serious and you turning it into a "gambit" to cover your ass is scummy.
B: I never said you were suspecting Fugitive. I meant that you were turning the argument around to include him (as in, Me/Esurio vs Fugitive) and to repel attention away from you. You hadn't mentioned him before that, and I hadn't even said anything about his scumminess, but:
"Friend wrote:
You and esurio turning suspicion onto fugitive, whose playstyle is blunt and concise, reads a little scummy to me too. Guys like that are easy for scum to point at and go "wah he's not explaining himself OMG how scummy" when really it's not."
this assumes that I just went and suspected him out of nowhere. It just rang out as an attention-repellent.
C: I had my mind set on me asking her that question when I typed that question, so it all sorta meshed together. Plus, it's 1 AM =P
D: No, no, no. Point completely missed. Let's take your post after I said "I think I know who I'm going to vote for", the one where you said "Vote for me, what are you waiting for?" I'm not just talking about straight up defending yourself, I'm talking about defending yourself when there's no need to at the time. How did you know that I was going to vote for you? Because I put you high on my scumlist? How do you know you were at the top of it? I never clearly said any of these things, you just assumed everything. That's what I'm talking about. What you're doing right now is straight up defending.
E: That's like the 5th time you've said that.
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@esurio: It's not always necessarily a bad thing, but look at it in the context of this game. Do you really think that he was serious when he said "No, don't OMGUS me!"?-
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It's not you turning suspicion on me, it's how you did it. I never talked about how scummy Fugitive is, but you used the fact that esurio and I had a brief 3-post conversation on him by saying that I called him scummy.Friend wrote:
Nothing, really, but even a joke "OMG don't vote me" needs to be explained. It seemed nervous to me so I asked him about it.DemonHybrid wrote:A: It can be...however, it seems too forced in this case. What about his post made you think that he was legit scared to be OMGUS'd and not just joking?
How is turning suspicion onto you (who I've suspected all along) an attention-repellent?
Also, no. Joke posts like that don't need to be explained. It was pretty obvious that he wasn't serious about it, so it rung out as scummy to me when you focused on it so deeply.-
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Oh no, I used you as an example!InflatablePie wrote:It's like the fifth time he's said that because it needs to be pointed out because we want more votes on you. Oh, and nice move trying to divert suspicion on to me back there. Bravo.
Still want to hear from Twomz, as this debate will probably keep going for a while and I think he should offer his thoughts on it now instead of "waiting till it's over". Since he only answers questions directed at him: Twomz, what are your thoughts on DH vs Friend?
Preview edit: 3 new posts in the time I took to write this up? For the love of Cthulu...
I don't suspect you at all. Read again: "Going by your (Friend's) logic, I'm surprised that you aren't keeping an eye on IP"
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Hmmm as in Pie's post is pretty interesting.Friend wrote:Sorry, I must have misinterpreted something w/r/t you and fugitive.
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I was just saying, I could have voted you just as easily at that point as I could have voted Friend, and Friend decided to talk about his own vote beforehand. It was an assumption on his part that he needed to defend himself, so he asked why I wasn't voting for him when I wasn't at that point.InflatablePie wrote:
I must have misread in that case. Sounded like you were trying to say, "hey look IP's doing *blah* but you never mentioned him; why aren't you suspicious of him but you're suspicious of me" the way it was worded.DemonHybrid wrote:
Oh no, I used you as an example!InflatablePie wrote:It's like the fifth time he's said that because it needs to be pointed out because we want more votes on you. Oh, and nice move trying to divert suspicion on to me back there. Bravo.
I don't suspect you at all. Read again: "Going by your (Friend's) logic, I'm surprised that you aren't keeping an eye on IP"
So...hmmmmm.
You mentioned you "could have gone after [me] there" in that post as well. Elaborate? And go ahead and define interesting while you're at it.
Interesting: Attention-grabbing. Good or bad attention? I haven't decided yet.-
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EBWOP: Good or bad, meaning how I view your post. (Is it scummy or is it not, in other words)DemonHybrid wrote:
I was just saying, I could have voted you just as easily at that point as I could have voted Friend, and Friend decided to talk about his own vote beforehand. It was an assumption on his part that he needed to defend himself, so he asked why I wasn't voting for him when I wasn't at that point.InflatablePie wrote:
I must have misread in that case. Sounded like you were trying to say, "hey look IP's doing *blah* but you never mentioned him; why aren't you suspicious of him but you're suspicious of me" the way it was worded.DemonHybrid wrote:
Oh no, I used you as an example!InflatablePie wrote:It's like the fifth time he's said that because it needs to be pointed out because we want more votes on you. Oh, and nice move trying to divert suspicion on to me back there. Bravo.
I don't suspect you at all. Read again: "Going by your (Friend's) logic, I'm surprised that you aren't keeping an eye on IP"
So...hmmmmm.
You mentioned you "could have gone after [me] there" in that post as well. Elaborate? And go ahead and define interesting while you're at it.
Interesting: Attention-grabbing. Good or bad attention? I haven't decided yet.-
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Actually, I quite like the reactions I myself am getting.TheLonging wrote:
Stay on v/la kthxJack wrote:unvote, vote:Inflatable Pie
I'm not giving out my town reads, but I would like to nominate DemonHybrid for scum godfather. Will you be willing to bet that? I would, at the most.
Vote: DemonHybrid
Backtracking, getting nervous too quickly, diverting attention, and just being too vague.
And hey! Jack's latest post has content! But he's not on v/la! Oh well!
FoS: Jack
Other scum reads: Jack
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Fugitive, what do you mean by reaction test? Do you know something about Pie, or are you talking about my reaction to you thinking that I was town?-
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Here, I'll elaborate right now.Friend wrote:
Elaborate on this.DemonHybrid wrote:Actually, I quite like the reactions I myself am getting.
@TheLonging, why scum godfather specifically?
Jack's play, while it is irksome, isn't necessarily scummy IMO.
Twomz, why do you think DH is town?
Scum list ahoy. I'm pretty close to a lynch, so if you want me to claim, then ask, but give me time to reply. I have work in an hour till 6 EST.
I think Jack is town at this point. A good right off the bat gambit, and I wanted to see what I could do with it. I attracted Friend, ran with it with as long as I could, then realized that I did all I can with his gambit. His play the last 2 pages has been weird, especially with the OMGUS FoS on twomz, but I think that's just to get a reaction.
I think Friend is town at this point, I like the reactions that our fighting has gained from other people. At first I thought he was scum when he voted for me, but over the course of our fighting, I found the reactions of other people scummier than Friend's defenses, although he's slipped a couple of times, but that might have just been the heat of the argument.
I think Pie is scum. I don't like his response (the one where I said it was interesting) at all, and it seems like he just wanted to capitalize on a losing argument. He slips up a bit on thinking that I was suspecting him. He deflects it with an "Oh, I mustve misread..." statement. I don't like it.
I think Fugitive is neutral-townish at this point, but I have a feeling he knows -something- about Pie. Call it a hunch.
I have a big feeling TheLonging is scum even more so than Pie. His vote is very fleeting, agreeable and bandwagony, as well as diverting attention away from his vote by focusing on Jack as well. Easy targeting.
Kov might be scum. I get a lurky feeling from him, as well as passive play...there's always a lurky scum. I have a feeling he's just waiting for everything to blow over because he doesn't know what to say...perhaps he's not too experienced (see his MafiaScum site history, he joined a few days ago)
Everyone else is neutral or town either by lack of posting (not exactly lurky, like as if they're busy) or by pro-townish behavior.
Peoples' reactions have given me a concrete scumlist. I would recommend to take a closer look at these people (Kov, TL, IP, maybe Fugitive) after I die and hopefully some good information can come from my death.-
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I'll get the ball rolling on Kov, here.
Unvote, Vote: Kov-
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I'd like to see if his inexperience shines through. I know TL and IP from past games...I'd much rather target the weak link.Friend wrote:Demon, you might as well admit now that you didn't try and make a gambit of your own by "falling" for Jack's gambit.
However, my feelings on you are sliightly improving.
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Holy flailing Magikarps, Batman!TheLonging wrote:>Meta>Meta
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0/10, good try though
Also, divert attention my ass, I'm listing my scum reads! Dohoho. You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons. I'm now BWing shit, I'm only agreeing with myself, and I have no clue what fleeting means. Those 2 "scumtells" you listed aren't scumtells in actuality. I'll bite. How am I diverting attention away from me voting you by listing other scum reads? I didn't know we weren't supposed to give out scum reads, and only stick one at a time.
Fleeting: You voted for me with an extremely brief response, then diverted attention away from it with your FoS on Jack. Fleeting means lasting for a very brief time.-
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I also didn't know that I wasn't allowed to find that scummy.TheLonging wrote:How am I diverting attention away from me voting you by listing other scum reads? I didn't know we weren't supposed to give out scum reads, and only stick one at a time.-
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I'm being honest, Pie. Not going to sit back and have people question why I picked the lesser suspicion here. Plus, I wanted to see what he has to say.
To Kov: What do you think about TheLonging? Is he scum, town? What about his reaction to my scumlist? Curiosity.-
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Fair enough, I believe it.Fugitive wrote:The reaction test was on you DH.
I know nothing about Pie's alignment or role.-
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Not contributing to discussion at all?InflatablePie wrote:So if someone's being anti-town on purpose and not contributing to discussion at all, essentially active lurking... we're just going to ignore him and let him continue doing so? Instead of lynching this person, who is acting scummy? Makes perfect sense.
-everything- started because he fake scum-claimed. Without him, this whole game would have been an alternate reality.
I think he's doing just fine. You don't have to be a man of many words to contribute if the contributions you had already given are powerful enough.-
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Starting the discussion =/= not contributing at all.InflatablePie wrote:Okay, I could understand the traitor reaction test thing, but at this point I'm not seeing much (if any) content coming from Jack at all, just blatant active lurking. People have brought up that he's acting suspicious and he's continued to do so.
He started the discussion, yes. So what? I've started discussion before as both town and scum; it doesn't mean a single thing. Starting discussion =/= contributing to it.
You're trying to put WAY more heat onto Jack than he deserves at the moment. He's not the scummiest person here, no matter how much you, Kov and TL want to think so.-
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Here, I think IP is panicking at the moment in his defense. I could easily just flip a coin between a TL and IP vote and I'd be just as happy, but for the sake of the current argument, I hate how he's trying to pass the buck onto Jack.
Vote: InflatablePie
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I....doooon't like this response at all. In my experience, that whole "Well I kiiiinda see some things are scummy, BUT overall he's town" attitude on someone getting heat is a safety net in my opinion. And if your reaction would have been similar.....Kov wrote:
It's suspicious he seem's to know that there's a Godfather that is Scummy but other than that not much.DemonHybrid wrote: To Kov: What do you think about TheLonging? Is he scum, town? What about his reaction to my scumlist? Curiosity.
His reaction to your scumlist is similar to what I would have if I was scum. I mean if you had pegged a few scum he might be nervous and trying to encourage a quick lynch on Jack.
I have no idea why your putting pressure on pie he doesn't seem scummy to me but maybe you all know his meta, some logic please i can't vote him without anything to go on?
I dislike the fact that Jack can get away with one post that encourages discussion and still say things like "Reasoning is an illusion." (possible the worst excuse ever used). Am I the only one that thinks reasoning is the only way to find scum... And Jacks play is not helpful he just votes with no reason. I think his lack of words/reasons and his playstyle is detrimental to town.
...why wasn't it?
Read the thread if you want to know why we're voting for your buddy Pie. I think the argument is pretty obvious.-
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What, do you want Jack to revote?InflatablePie wrote:
This was a bit before I said you were a good lynch, though.Jack wrote:
Jack Post #4 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:38 amInflatablePie wrote: P.S. - Funny how I'm the only one suspicious of Jack that he hasn't counter-voted/FoS'd, though.
unvote, vote:Inflatable Pie
I'm starting to get agitated with people who don't listen to reason. Or who don't think active lurking is scummy.Fugitive wrote:Yeah, Pie is definitely scum. Those reactions to the forming bandwagon were scummy as hell.
And if you're this freaked out and agitated due to the few votes that are on you now (regardless of how they were justified)...I can't even imagine how you'll be when you're close to a lynch. I really feel like you're the optimal scum lynch at the moment just by your mannerisms alone.-
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Oh, come on.Kov wrote:And who knowsmaybe he is a traitor...
If he did something else please point there I need more than that, thanks.
And I think that your view on TL is an "oh crap, I need to agree with him now" statement, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You aren't any more town, though.-
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.....becauseeeee he was already voting for you.InflatablePie wrote:
Because you've done it to practically everyone else in this game that's been suspicious of you... except me. It's... funny.Jack wrote:
So why is it funny that I didn't "counter-fos" you?InflatablePie wrote: This was a bit before I said you were a good lynch, though.
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I personally think he's a safe D1 lynch, so I'm keeping my vote.Jack wrote:Everyone give a yay or nay on lynching pie please.
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For the record, I won't be around tomorrow until 5 PM. Sunday, I'll be gone until 5 PM as well, so if you address a question to me before then, I won't be here to answer it. Work beckons.-
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Yep.TheLonging wrote: Hey, hey DH? You know how you think I am scum? Well guess what! If you think I am scum, then you will think I am bussing my "buddy"!-
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Oh jeez, really, guys?ManfredvonKarma wrote: DH's claim to have intentionally fell for the bandwagon is silly.
For everyone who doubts it, let's take a look at Jack's traitor post again.
Just look at how obvious it is for a first post. I mean...really? To use a tad bit of meta here; some of you have seen me play in games before and you know that I'm not -this- much of a VI (This is my 4th entered game). My vote for him was more for RVS than anything else, but I decided to run with it after seeing twomz post and see who would capitalize on someone who was really that stupid and obviously newtown to frame them. And these posts about wanting him to talk:Jack wrote:Does anyone know what the **** is a "traitor"?
And again (here's a cue card for you guys: "A 2nd post about it? Hmmmm, that's a little strange, it's almost like he wanted us to notice it!")DemonHybrid wrote:
It's weird, because he registered in 2006.
I'll bite though. Who the hell asks about their own role on page two?
I was calling attention to my vote. Friend took the bait, which attracted other scum (thankfully, since Friend is town to me after his defense, I was starting to get worried). Friend was my original target after seeing him bite.DemonHybrid wrote:I still want Jack to talk though. Who the hell says something like that, in all honesty?
This is me trying to attract more votes, but figured that I milked out everyone as much as possible, so after waiting a bit more (the post where I said I think I know who to vote for), I went for Friend to get more reactions.DemonHybrid wrote: That's fine, whatever makes him speak more about his post. I'm still not exactly sure if it's pure scummy or not, but regardless, it's just a weird post, no matter how much experience he has. This is the first instance of non-RVS posting in this game, so of course I'm going to question it.
I honestly don't expect a lynch of him, however. Too much experience, too noobish of a mistake.
It's pretty obvious both ways, guys (Jack's post and my response to them). I mean, I think I'm some sort of VI, but not that badly =P-
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And when you shower me with your innards, I will dance as if I'm in a rain storm.TheLonging wrote:I am going to rip out my innards. And shower you in them. God-fucking-damn. Tunnel vision to the fucking extreme. Two can play at that game.
If by "Tunnel vision to the fucking extreme" you mean "You see us both scum, as stated in your scumlist, and I'm not doing anything to curb that suspicion, so here, let me make a desperate attempt to dissuade suspicion by voting for who he thinks is my buddy", then you are correct.-
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Eager to defend himself. Claims should be last resort.esuriospiritus wrote: The one thing that makes me wary is that it seems like TLwantsto claim. I'm ... not sure what to make of that, honestly.
I like how he thinks I'm tunneling him when I don't even have a vote on the guy.-
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EBWOP: Tunnel-visioning him.DemonHybrid wrote:
Eager to defend himself. Claims should be last resort.esuriospiritus wrote: The one thing that makes me wary is that it seems like TLwantsto claim. I'm ... not sure what to make of that, honestly.
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Friend wrote: You're acting like scum NEVER do this, when, in fact, this isexactlywhat good scum players do. It's not "against the scum wincon" - IMO, all a good scum player has to do is look pro-town. Whatever looking pro-town requires - lynching scum (bussing), giving town information - is what achieving the scum wincon is all about.
My god, buckets and buckets of win all over all of our facesFugitive wrote: Seriously, Pie giving reads and contributing new thoughts is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a town-tell. Hell, it's not a town tell for anyone. It's helpful, sure, but you're seriously saying that scum can't at least pretend to be helpful and give reads and such? I'm seriously thinking you should stop playing mafia if:
1) You don't always assume the worst case (assume scum are not slipping)
2) You think someone who plays pro-town is town
3) You think looking pro-town twarts scum's chance to win
Please listen to these two, they know what they're talking about.
I just came out of a game where we violated #1 and #2 of Fugitive's post, and we got our arguments shoved into our asses by scum.-
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Flip a coin. They're both scum anyway =PFriend wrote:
This?TheLonging wrote:is that an omgus fos on me jack? I love you too, just don't let your ego get in the way, kinda like when I pinpointed you and Soc as scum in that marathon game
Eh. Don't see how that's any sort of tell.
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Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.-
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EBWOP: Think of it this way:DemonHybrid wrote:Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.
If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1). If he flips scum, that's one nearly-guaranteed scum in Kov who weakly slithered his way out of the conversation, and a big suspicion in TL who cracked and voted IP out of pressure, and that's a LOT to gain on Day 1 with such a small risk.-
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Just expressing the options.Fugitive wrote:
EBWOP: What is it with everyone and claims? That's not the only form of defense. I don't care if Pie claims doc or cop . He's still scum.DemonHybrid wrote:Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.
Heh, emoticons.
I don't really care for the claim, myself.-
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Once again, I'll be gone tomorrow until 5 PM. Work.
Also, I'm surprised r2r isn't voting me with the way he's talking about me. Duly noted.
And r2r: You -have- a case on Pie. It's just a question of whether you understand/agree with it.-
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I will agree with you on one thing: r2r is in the same boat as Kov at this point in time, making him the 4th scummiest on my list.TheLonging wrote:
You think we're scumbuddies anyways, why make up shit like that? I joined the BW because I thought it would be fun and any effort whatsoever to try and lynch you at this point is utterly useless. No one will see it. r2r is also useless, but we can lynch that scum another day. BTW if Pie flips scum, r2r goes tomorrow. If Pie flips town, DH goes tomorrow.DemonHybrid wrote:
EBWOP: Think of it this way:DemonHybrid wrote:Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.
If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1). If he flips scum, that's one nearly-guaranteed scum in Kov who weakly slithered his way out of the conversation, and a big suspicion in TL who cracked and voted IP out of pressure, and that's a LOT to gain on Day 1 with such a small risk.
Also DH, I'm saying what I said in my last post because I went away in a game for a short V/LA, and I was at L-1. I do it as a precaution when I leave for longer times than expected (I actually thought I'd be back around 5:00 PM, but nope).
Oh, and BTW? I can't defend my change in playstyle. I doubt I've been over the top like this before, and I'm just going to post useless crap until I see my way with DH. I could actually try, but what's the point? I do have a spleen, liver, and intestine I need to pour on him after all.
You should include your heart when you pour your insides on me, by the way; that one's my favorite.-
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This doesn't sit right with me. You don't lose town points, but be really careful when making an argument like this based -solely- on meta. It can give off the wrong reads sometimes, and isn't conductive to a good argument.Jack wrote:esurio have a look at pie's scum meta:
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Actually, point completely missed. I'm saying that if we lynch you and you -happen- to be town, that's a small risk compared to gaining a ton of information on your scum flip (like Kov and r2r acting weird about lynching you, TL trying to bus you, etc)InflatablePie wrote:
This is terrible logic as well. It's okay to lynch townies, guys, it's just D1 and statisctically happens anyway! No. Just... no.DemonHybrid wrote:If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1).
I'd like you to find where I said "It's okay to lynch him -because- he's a townie". It'll be like a game of Where's Waldo with no Waldo.-
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Wow, what?InflatablePie wrote:Top 5 suspects: TL, Jack, Kov, Fugitive, r2r.
Kov for his fencesitting-ish post about me way back there.
Where did this come from? It sounds rather familiar.
All of a sudden after so long, Kov is a suspect for the same reason I suspect him for (and after no one else said anything about him)
Or maybe I'm just letting my scum-list get to my head. But everyone else, tell me that I'm not crazy here.-
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Also, lolmeta.InflatablePie wrote: Fugitive simply for having a different attitude this game, to be honest. Definitely not high up on my scumlist, but I'm keeping an eye out.
If you want to do the meta dance, then we can do the meta dance, just so I can put you in your place regarding meta. In my experience with Fugitive (skimming games that he's been in and playing with him), short, sarcastic and blunt responses means he has nothing to defend. He's been town in the games that I've seen when he's done this. When he posts very long, helpful, involved responses, he's been scum. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Fugitive.
This means ABSOLUTELY nothing regarding this game. He's neutral-town to me, emphasis on the neutral. Past games should mean -nothing-, if very little (like extremely obvious confirmed scum tells).
More people need to vote Pie. I hate hate hate hate hate your Kov suspicion because it feels like I'm looking into a mirror.-
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Agreeing with me on you being scum =/= you guys not being scum buddies at all.Kov wrote:@IP:So why do you think I'm scum because I took a neutral stance? since when was that a scum tell?
@DH: You say he is agreeing with you but if I remember you seem to think we were scum buddies?
On iPhone would respond more otherwise
Look up "bus" on the wiki. He took a completely agreeable and toned down stance on you to try to fit in (which is coincidentally, exactly my stance. Only the 2nd person to agree)-
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EBWOP: Agreeing with me on you being scum could mean that you guys could be or could not be buddies.DemonHybrid wrote:Kov wrote: Agreeing with me on you being scum =/= you guys not being scum buddies at all.
Basically, I'm saying that him agreeing with me that you're scum and that you guys are buddies are not mutually exclusive.-
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Well, duh.Fugitive wrote:DemonHybrid, TheLonging, andFugitive
You just got slightly more town, by the way.
I suppose I will give my list again, since my last one left out some people.
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I just have a good feeling about him. He's staying out of the way, yet contributing just enough to keep discussion going geared towards hunting scum. He seems to know what he's doing and has a plan, and although if you take his posts at face value and see them as anti-town, you'd be missing the point of his play. Also, none of these reads would be possible without him. I think he's doing exactly what a townie should do. Compared to Kov and r2r, who post when called out solely + making weak contributions and then melting away. They're afraid to challenge whereas Jack's been pretty ballsy with his logic challenges. Jack is fine this game. Those bothered by him are scummy/newtown.Friend wrote:Well whatwouldyou do with them?
I'm intrigued by the solid town read on Jack, DH.
And I sorta agree with Friend here. Plus, these lists are always subject to change on a whim. They just reflect my current thoughts.-
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