Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[mothrax]

Vote: Exe

for being the first alphabetically not to have posted.

Gand are you serious?

Pedit, I forgot, troll, from whom I stole my random vote policy from is in this game.

[mothrax]

@Zorblag, I have been doing it since NY116, seems as good a way as any to start. And when I first wrote that Exe hadn't posted but I was ninjad thrice.

[mothrax]

A1) Gandalf is probably not a daycop.
B2) Meh, policy lynching Zorblag because he is hard to read is not on my priority list. I learned my lesson in LYLO of NY 116. If my gut says Zorb is scum, it is probably right, and at this point I don't have much gut to go on.
C3) VP Baltar is scum

Unvote; Vote: VP Baltar

[mothrax]

@Vi: gut at this point, and it's you who say I am out of RVS

[mothrax]

@Zorblag: oic

[mothrax]

Gut votes this early in the game might as well be random, especially when you had made one post at the time of the vote.

[mothrax]

No, I do not, I throw my first vote out with that reason then I vote where I see fit. Why? Because it is an adaptation not a mimic.

[mothrax]

VP: you want an explanation of why I don't follow zorblags RVS style to the T: I'm not Zorblag. I saw him do it in NY 116, started doing that on my first vote, but none after... Because I can.

[mothrax]

Please good sir, tell me what I an not thinking about. As for reads, you will have to wait untill i am not phone posting.

[mothrax]

4 ~ Mariyta (Vi, inHimshallibe, Zorblag, gandalf5166)

There be scum on this wagon!

$20 on gandalf
Reasons:
A1) his vote on Mariyta is pure 100% hipocracy: He claims she has done nothing of note other than complain about his fakeclaim (not disputing that), yet if you look at his iso, 8 of 14 posts are about his fake claim.
B2) The rest of his posts are throwing out suspicions of 4 different players yet doing nothing to back them up. Town make cases as to why someone is scum, not just sit there and say "Person A is scum" and ride the wagon. Hell, even nocase has presented more of a case at this point.
C3) When voting Mariyta, he admits to blatant bandwagoning... check his post right before his vote, he litterally says "I'm going to see if this case has any merit" and jumps on the wagon.

therefor:

Unvote; Vote: gandalf5166

Mod edit: Fixed the quote tag.

[mothrax]

@gandalf: yes I know your play and I expect more from you.

@troll: no, I do not have a town read on mariyta at this point. I don't think I ever implied as such. I just think gandalf is more likely to be scum.

[mothrax]

I called gandalf scum because of his hipocracy surrounding mariyta. In that same post, I said that him pointing out that she had not contributed was true. I didn't say he was lying and in fact agreed with him, it was his hipocracy and crap case I voted him for.

[mothrax]

V/LA until tomorrow(tuesday) night

Sorry guys, finals week. almost done.

[mothrax]

Sorry, I've been falling behind with this game lately. Let's see here.

Tans ties between me, VPB, and Gandalf are a huge reach. I don't know if I believe he's really genuine in it. Like that I'm linked to Gandalf just because I think he's been pro-town: Because, you know, scum would definitely overtly state that their scum-buddies are pro-town. That seems likely.

Mariyta, stop trying to parrot VPB's "pre-flip connections" argument.

Mothrax jumped in to attack Gandalf in order to derail the wagon on you.

I sense an ulterior motive: do you really think he just happened to find Gandalf scummy AND find you townie, and gandalf just happened to be on your wagon? Considering that his Gandalf case was crap anyways, I sense a false effort from Mothrax. His motivation does not seem pro-town to me in the least. Hence, my vote is on Mothrax.
Also Mariyta, not having your vote on someone suggests that you are being cautious. Scum have a lot more incentive to be cautious than town.

Xvart is rapidly rising on my suspect list. His post 268 shows a lot of buddying and not much real scum-hunting. I would support an Xvart lynch if Mothrax won't be lynched.

False...
I said in my orriginal attack on gandalf that I found Mariyta to be equally useless... I don;t know how many times I have to say this but I will say it one more time: I voted and am voting gandalf because of his hipocracy in his attacks on Mariyta. I aslo noted that I would also be down for a Mariyta lynch, but at the time of my vote I wasn't ready to lynch anyone, and therefore didn't vote the major wagon, which I believe was at L-2 or similar at the time.

[mothrax]

@Exe: explain how it is chainsaw defense when I am perfectly happy with either lynch.

[mothrax]

4 ~ Mariyta (Vi, inHimshallibe, Zorblag, gandalf5166)

There be scum on this wagon!

$20 on gandalf
Reasons:
A1) his vote on Mariyta is pure 100% hipocracy: He claims she has done nothing of note other than complain about his fakeclaim

(not disputing that),

yet if you look at his iso, 8 of 14 posts are about his fake claim.
B2) The rest of his posts are throwing out suspicions of 4 different players yet doing nothing to back them up. Town make cases as to why someone is scum, not just sit there and say "Person A is scum" and ride the wagon. Hell, even nocase has presented more of a case at this point.
C3) When voting Mariyta, he admits to blatant bandwagoning... check his post right before his vote, he litterally says "I'm going to see if this case has any merit" and jumps on the wagon.

therefor:

Unvote; Vote: gandalf5166

Mod edit: Fixed the quote tag.

[mothrax]

Im here, content coming tonight.

[mothrax]

I know my lurking is the main reason for my wagon but what I need to post requires a decent amount of time at my computer which I don't have. I just came of a 64 hour work week which is no real excuse. Sorry about that.
That said, expect real content tomorrow afternoonish. It is difficult to establish reads when reading and posting from my phone.
I will say this, yes I still think gandalf is scummy, I do not support the troll wagon, I do have evidence for why. Gut read on vp probably came from avi/name more than anything...

[mothrax]

Re Mariyta: I was not attempting to derail the wagon. Look at the vote in context. A few points:
A1) Mariyta was at L-3 still... no big whoop. Read my scum meta, I uberbus as scum, so what motivation would I have to derail a wagon?
B2) it was page seven. Regardless of my thoughts on Mariyta's alignment, Pg 7 is too early to lynch anyone imo.

Re towntroll: iso 19 reads frustration. Specifically town frustration. I am also frustrated with the number of claims and will be looking at wagons shortly.

broken to prevent wall o text.

[mothrax]

gandalfscum:
a1) see previous points
b2) He continuosly hangs on one topic. First it was his fake claim, then his claim. everything after that is no content oneliners. He says Mariyta, Myself and xvart are scum, yet he has not once provided reasoning as to why myself or xvart are scum. If exe is scum, gandalf is scum with him. (see iso52 for why, among others; a multitude of his posts list exe as town and continuosly say "he just plays scummy"
c3) I am happy with a lynch on any of our claimed players. At this point, there is no reason to push to another claim for people to unvote after the claim.

[mothrax]

And I say once again, yes I have and I know you are better than this

[mothrax]

Mariyta: Vi, Inhim, Troll, Gandalf, Uite (l-2) (xvart after claim)
Unvote order: Uite votes xvart, inhim votes me (after wagon on me begins to form), Both exe and nocase try to revive the mariyta wagon, Vi votes Exe, exe votes me, gandalf votes me, nocase votes exe,

Exe: vi, nocase, tanst, inhim, troll, vp (l-1 with xvart willing to hammer and voting after the fact)
Unvotes: Vi, VPB to Troll, nocase to me, inhim to me

This probably doesn't make sense just yet but give me a moment to type up my explanation.

[mothrax]

These are the wagons at the time of claim on both players who have been wagoned to claim.
People on both wagons: inhim, vi, troll
What strikes me as odd: troll gripes about the number of claims yet he has been on both wagons so far. Xvart’s votes on both wagons come after the claim… so a few questions:
@Xvart: Do you believe any of the claims so far, and if so whom?
@inhim: care to explain the ridiculous amount of vote hopping?

[mothrax]

Tans, I agree with everythingbyou just said minus rage fact that I am not his partner.

[mothrax]

Ebwop: "everything you" and "minus the fact." way to fail auto correct, way to fail...

[mothrax]

Hi Vi! (I do that a lot, I always check my games when I am on my smoke break at work.)

I'm not sure I am sold on the massclaim idea just yet.

[mothrax]

Also, I think VPB posting would be more of a help than him controlling inhim's vote the rest of the day.

[mothrax]

So wait, if we know that someone is going to die by nocases hands and so far we have only seen one death we can assume no big. Why is nocase still alive?

vote: nocase

[mothrax]

Oic... Reading is tech

unvote

[mothrax]

Wait, just checked (did math), massclaim good. I am completely ok with it infact. Vi? You still support the idea?
Anyone else?

[mothrax]

Think about it. The power roles in game (other than 1) are known. It is pretty common sense and there is only (according to Vi) one unclaimed power role out there...

[mothrax]

Ok then I resturn to my orriginal question: Why did/do you support a massclaim vi? I know why I do but I am currious as to what your logic behind it is

[mothrax]

Nope, I have the same pm I have had all game.

[mothrax]

Talking of claimed power roles, I know there's

at least one other person

running around with a role. Let's see if he steps forward.

I didn't see/my brain skipped the "at least"

[mothrax]

considering that what vi is saying is incredibly confirmable I don't see a reason not to trust her.

[mothrax]

My theory will be basically rendered useless by saying it, but if there are four out of now nine players with prs, three of which are confirmable so far, it leaves a pool of five possible lynches. 2 or three in a pool of five is pretty damn good if you ask me.

[mothrax]

Ebwop: with town prs

[mothrax]

Ok. Many many claims so far... trying to keep them straight.

The unclaimed/un actioned players are:
Me
Tans
xvart
uite

add gandalf who claimed VT to that list.

Prob-town:
Vi
inhim(i don't see scum motivation for coming forth with his role information when he did.
nocase
zorblag

unsure
uite
xvart

prob scum
gandalf
tanstalas

[mothrax]

Responding to prod. Crazy schedule got crazy, try to have something up in a few hours.

[mothrax]

For Nocase

Prob-town:
Vi - no scum reason to claim what she did when she did. If what she said is true she dies tonight anyways and we will see with the flip. Also has taken a strong pro-town hunting role
inhim - i don't see scum motivation for coming forth with his role information when he did. It is also not a role that I could see benifiting scum. It is also easily confirmable.
nocase- confirmed daykiller, and I did have a strong town read on him, but he is probably the closest to unsure atm in this group.
zorblag- has moved to the unsure catagory. My townread was mostly gut and his ability seems to be town sofar but untill we get more answers I won't know for sure.

unsure- both of these were here mainly because I needed to reread them... both are leaning scum imo
uite- Uite has failed to take a stance on most things, and appears very wishy-washy in thread.
xvart - I don't believe his claim one bit.

prob scum
gandalf - moved into unsure in recent posts... will wait to see what seraphim has to say as well
tanstalas- tansscum busses. Uberbusses.

[mothrax]

also
@Troll/nocase: can you tell me how long the werebeer lasts? Will it be all game?

[mothrax]

and to further along the molassesmassclaim: I am the hypnotist, the town delayed roleblocker. I have to submit my targets a phase ahead of time. I targeted Gandalf N0(he would have been blocked N1) and Vi N1 (will be blocked N2)

[mothrax]

@xvart: gandalf n0 because out of everyone in this game I have played with him the most. Vi because I have an inherint nagging suspicion of people who lead the town and wanted to see where it went.

[mothrax]

Also, I am kind of a dipshit and just rechecked my pms. I was torn between vi and mariyta and ended up rbing mariyta.

[mothrax]

Actually that is false. I believe that I mentioned not one but several times that I would have been happy with a Mariyta lynch during D1.

[mothrax]

because I wanted to rb someone and see the results. If nothing happens tonight, then my gandalf rb was good, but untill I saw the results I was stuck basically bouncing between my scumspects. The thing that sucks about being a "delayed" rb

[mothrax]

EBWOP If nothing had happened last night

in other words when I submitted the RB for tonight on Mariyta I didn't know the results of my first RB

[mothrax]

I didn't know whether or not my roleblock had any effect on gandalf and wouldn't untill later. In my mind it made more sense to try someone else the next night and see what results were yielded. If this morning had yielded no kill I would have pushed much harder for a gandalf lynch and gone back to rbing him.

[mothrax]

I already said she was my number two scum read at the time.

[mothrax]

^what he said. That doesn't read right to me.
If you think I am scum you vote for me, I have already claimed so a quicklynch isn't an issue. It sounds like someone who is waiting for approval before his vote.

vote: xvart

[mothrax]

nagging suspicion=gut. I considered a gut rb on vi, but my brain won out.

[mothrax]

And for some reason my Post didn't post.... Tl;dr I am sheeping because my reads have been craptastic.

Vote Uite

L-2

And yes I claimed hyptonist and I am a delayed roleblocker, so I have no clue what that is about.

[mothrax]

Yes I did block Uite, i had already decided to follow Vi's reads at that point. (ps I have never played an rb before so I'm sure that was the wrong play...but that can wait till post game)

[mothrax]

Oic... I got confused by the mechanics. That does pretty much clear Uite. Which does leave tans and seraphim. Tanstalas has me a bit weary (see SSBB mafia with the epic double bus.)

unvote

[mothrax]

I roleblocked Uite yet there is still a kill going to happen. Thats what clears him IMO.

[mothrax]

Something is bugging me... Someone tried to frame Uite, vi called him scum so by her dying the natural conclusion would be to assume it was someone she had spoken out against. I need to reread her...

[mothrax]

Keep trying, you won't find one. My logic was that Vi fingered Uite as scum yesterday and by killing her, whomever was scum hoped to try and frame Uite. I am more suspicious of someone she has called town consistantly than someone on her scum list.

[mothrax]

@Zorblag I was hoping to prevent a kill...
@nocase lolwut?

[mothrax]

at the time I was confused about the mechanics and the way things worked. for some reason it was in my head that my roleblock would prevent whatever kill was *submitted* the next night. I didnt realise I was mistaken untill earlier this gameday.

and to answer your question: 3

[mothrax]

I am going to get it if we aren't right, but it is pure luck that I am dropping the hammer.
In my eyes Uite is confirmed town unless he is strongman. Everyone else other than Tans and Seraphim are confirmable easily. I think I am just still butthurt over SSBB mafia and it is influencing my view of Tans. Reading him he seems pretty town this game.
That said, hammah time.

Vote: Seraphim

[mothrax]

I meant that in that I had been trying to get to my computer to post a seraphim vote for a while and never got a chance. I would be voting seraphim regardless of whether or not I had hammered.

[mothrax]

I rbd tans last night.

[mothrax]

@inhim: yes, my rb will be delayed, as in if I got it right there will be no kill tonight.

[mothrax]

A1) trying to get

to

my computer, not get my computer to. When I got home I logged in and checked my subscriptions and responded to a game with a new post before this one, so sorry that you didn't understand that nocase.

[mothrax]

That being said, I don't really get inhim's theory, and stick to the fact that Uite is cleared. I am much more comfortable with a tans lynch ATM, but I will wait and see what VI says before I vote

[mothrax]

i checked tans. he has needles.

vote: mothrax.

That is all well and good, but since nocase checked tans and not me a large part of that is moot.

[mothrax]

It is fairly clear that my flip is necessary to the game at this point.
@inhim: does your daykill resolve instantly or at twilight?

My proposal: Daykill me. I will flip town, Uite will be cleared. I suggest looking to troll after that. if the game is not over by then, when tomorrow comes if there was a kill, tans is also cleared which gives us to confirmed town to work with. At that point it will be a 4 person game. If both tanstalas and uite are cleared, I would look to nocase, as he could easily be a mafia rolecop. His is the claim that sticks out to me as not being inherintly town (other than zorblag).

[mothrax]

It is fairly clear that my flip is necessary to the game at this point.
@inhim: does your daykill resolve instantly or at twilight?

My proposal: Daykill me. I will flip town, Uite will be cleared. I suggest looking to troll after that. if the game is not over by then, when tomorrow comes if there was a kill, tans is also cleared which gives us to confirmed town to work with. At that point it will be a 4 person game. If both tanstalas and uite are cleared, I would look to nocase, as he could easily be a mafia rolecop. His is the claim that sticks out to me as not being inherintly town (other than zorblag).

See, this makes me think you're town, whereas Uite's unwillingness to let PoE happen makes me think he's scum.

If Troll is town, nocase is confirmed by Troll's role.

OK, so kill mothrax, lynch Troll, wait for Night to happen. If there's a kill, tanstalas and the remainder of I/nocase can lynch Uite. If there's not a kill, it's tanstalas.

Actually: mothrax, can you confirm that your roleblock will occur even if you die?

[mothrax]

really... I meant to quote and respond not just quote...
A1) meh, I am less concerned about my own survival and more concerned about the town winning. I wish it could be done otherwise, but it seems because of my previous play the only way to convince you guys is with my flip. Since my flip potentially clears some folks, I am down with it.

B2) I will ask the mod.

[mothrax]

so mod confirmation... my rb will not go through if I am dead... today is a sad day.

[mothrax]

Okay, new proposal,
1. leave me alive today
2. lynch troll (if it isn't tans it is him)
2. wait and see what happens with the tans block tonight (I still think there is a high possibility he is scum.)
3. daykill me tomorrow
4. with my flip tans will be either cleared or confscum
5. profit...

or we could go the otherway and just daykill troll and lynch tans today

[mothrax]

The only way I can think to do this is no lynch... But those odds don't look good either.

[mothrax]

It would be nice to let my roleblock go through, but inhim is forgetting that uite is cleared by my flip.

[mothrax]

Well, let's get something done. I am willing to believe that Vi diedofnatural causes.

Vote Uite

[mothrax]

You know what, screw this. Its not like my vote matters at this point anyways, but the more I think about it inhim's ability sounds too good to be true. Yes he is partially abilityconfirmed but unless there really are 4 scum there is no way he can be town. Overpowered role is overpowered.

vote inhim

[mothrax]

get

over

it

(oh look, I can post mindless crap just as well as you)

Seriously though, I know I am town, I am fairly certain at this point that uite is town, and tanstalas as well. The remaining scum hides in the powerroles. Zorblag confirmed you as town with his ability which scum would not go out of their way to do. Which leaves us with inhim.

[mothrax]

I never said anything about a mislynch. I said I think that for the sake ode balance, inhim's role is to overpowered to be town in a 3:9 setup. I am not the first to say this (see troll).

[mothrax]

Is that supposed to imply that I should have more to say? The thought was finished. The sad fact of the matter is that I am going to die, and not quickly. I don't see much point in looking town at this point. Whatever I say is going to be whatever comes to my head. I don't have to care about convincing you gus of the truth because you won't believe me and this time two days from now I will be dead.

[mothrax]

Since I will be dead by the time I get to a computer, it's been fun, sorry for my shitty play. Lynch the shite out of inhim for me.

[mothrax]

I was so convinced that scum was in one of the claimed VTs... My bad.
See the dead thread for my explanation for my terribad play this game.