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Vote crazy_vladfor that dumb underscore in your name! Seriously, who uses those things?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I don't know whether to call you a scum or a power role.Khelvaster wrote:12/12 people in the fellowship in this mini. 9 people in the real fellowship. 3-scum game is appropriate for 12 players.
I deduce that a mass nameclaim would work here. I don't want to know everyone's role--just what name they are. I believe we'll end up screwing the Nazgul up, unless there are some unorthodox names.
Speaking of which...
If you were given a name of someone who was not Frodo, Samwise (Sam), Pippin, Merry, Aragorn, Boromir, Gandalf, Legolas, or Gimli, please speak up. I don't want you to even claim your name. I just want you to say that you aren't one of these nine.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Oh, and I'd like it if people didn't nameclaim until I get a satisfactory explanation from Khelvaster. If it wasn't for the fact that you could be a power ,I'd vote for you now.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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What, have I gotten a different PM than everyone else or something?
Unvote, Vote destructor
No, it's not OMGUS. I'm sure at least one person knows why I'm doing this. I think you're scummier than Khelvaster because it's pretty pro town to suggest a name claim, but not so pro town to put a second vote on someone who seems to know that a name claim will get our pro town roles killed. So I'll say this: Whoever's the doc, protect Khelvaster. Whoever's the cop, investigate Khelvaster.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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EBMOP: a name claim will get our pro townpowerroles killed.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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While it's comforting to learn that I'm not alone, I wish we were able to see more reactions before saying this.CoolBot wrote:I'm not part of the Fellowship. That's shouldn't be surprising, as the game would be seriously broken if the town was only the Fellowship. So it's likely all a mass claim would accomplish is give the mafia clues to who our power roles are.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I've gotten too much attention to myself. I have a feeling that I'm going to be night killed so let's try to get as much as we an from this day. I assume any suspicion towards me is gone now, and CoolBot is probably safe as soon as the remaining vanilla townies arrive.
To all vanillas: be VERY careful about how much you reveal from your pm. We can use this info to prove innocence later on.
To all power roles: Don't do stupid stuff.
To all scum: We'll find you. Get ready.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I assumed that anyone who does have a big name is either a power role or scum, seeing as I don't. Again, a name claim probably isn't a scum's best strategy, so I'm less suspicious of Khelvaster. You, however, put a second vote on me for arguing against a name claim. Not scummy in itself, but this seems to tell me you're not a vanilla townie. And considering I stated that the reason for my reluctance to vote for Khelvaster(him being a possible power role), it seems odd that you'd immediately vote me. I don't see a power role voting someone who claims to fear for the power roles' safety. However, for a scum, it's a nice reason to put a second vote on someone.destructor wrote:Actually, I think if we're going to do it, the earlier the better. But we've already heard that at least two players have non-fellowship role names and I'd be surprised if scum haven't been given safe claims anyway, which makes me cynical to how effective it would be.
Matt_S, you sound a little paranoid. I don't think you should have voted for me, but if you still feel it's worthwhile can you tell us why?
So yeah, I think you(I'll refer to you from the 3rd person from now on) were scummy enough to get a vote. But I've got my sights on someone else now.Unvote, Vote eljcko. He agrees with a lot of stuff I say according to him, yet his suspicions are on Khelvaster for thinking a name claim could actually be to the town's advantage. He seemed to ignore my argument against destructor. Along those lines, there's a few others that I found suspicious.
FoS ting =)
For giving me an odd feeling. Doesn't seem to know the same stuff I do.
FoS GSGold
For not seeming to know what I know, too.
Of course there's always the possibility that my pm is different than everyone's in case the mod's evil.
As for CoolBot, he's not cleared in my eyes. A few things about his post make me nervous, but it's too early for me to do something. It's not enough for a FoS, but something doesn't fit.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Because what I know is something I learned from my role PM. I'm going on the assumption that all vanilla townies got the same pm(or at least with the same information), which I don't think is a bad thing to assume. I'm kind of trying to keep exactly what this "info" is a secret from everyone else, and nobody really seems to know exactly what I know. Of course nobody who's posted lets on that they know what I know, so I only FoS'd the people who seemed to argue the most for my point without actually putting forward what vanillas know. Just an FYI, if anyone thinks they know exactly why I'm opposed to a name claim, then please come forward. If you got the same pm as me, it should be obvious why having everyone say their name wouldn't work at all.destructor wrote:
Yes, at least I think it should be or, like Coolbot said, it makes a game very broken. Also, I have recent experience in an ongoing game where a mass name-claim hasn't outed scum.massive wrote:destructor: Two times in the first page, you've mentioned the possibility that Mafia have been given safe-claims. Do you consider this a commonplace occurence in Mafia games?
Matt, why do you think people are suspicious for not knowing what you know?
Of course I'm really paranoid because last night I thought I gave too much information and screwed the town. And the more I go on, the more I think I'm the only one who actually has this knowledge.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I'll wait for another townie to come and tell you why that won't work. But trust me, it won't.Khelvaster wrote:If there are exactly 3 people who aren't part of the fellowship, then I believe the 3 who aren't will need to claim their names. Not their roles, mind you, but their names.
If there are less than 3 people, someone has to be lying. A mass nameclaim will occur.
If there are more than 3 people, then nothing bad comes from this. I seriously doubt the mafia can tell whether you are a power role and, if so, whether it's important to kill you or not just based upon the fact that you are or aren't in the fellowship.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Or the mod loves screwing with me.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I am so confused right now. Anyways, I had no name, so I figured all other vanilla townies had no name. Thus I expected a lot more resistance to a name claim. But we should probably forget about all this now. Sooo.....
Vote crazy_vladfor the underscore again.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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It got unthemed and the mod admitted to being evil by not giving me a name. So we're back at square one.GSGold wrote:What is going on in this thread.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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You're crazycrazy_vlad wrote:I'll start to think you have something against meShow"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I didn't want all vanillas to claim, just one so that I knew I wasn't alone. Some people were pushing name claims, others didn't see things the way I saw them, so I wanted someone else to come forward so that the town could have an idea of who could be scum. I originally wanted to see everyone's reactions, because I thought pro name claim people would have to be scum or power roles, and I thought my posts would convince power roles to not post. Of course, lots of people posted so I wanted to get someone to come out with the fact that they didn't have a name so we could eliminate potential scum and actually get the town to understand me. Then the mod came and stuff happened.
A while after my first post, I thought that I doomed Khelvaster(and that he was a power role), but I hoped I could out a few scum so I decided to be secret about what I knew. Again, everything would have gone smoother if somebody else had just not had a name.
Since my only idea is gone, I'llUnvote, Vote Zyrconiumsince I haven't seen him post. Lurkers, lynching, etc.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Even if I had a name I wouldn't have gone with your plan. But I still can't believe a scum would suggest a name claim. I can see how people would be suspicious though, so I'm having trouble seeing who's most deserving of a vote. So I say we vote Zyrconium to get him to post here.Khelvaster wrote:
I was hoping to trap the mod, if he ended up giving 9 fellowships and 3 non-fellowships. I've seen stuff like this before. 9+3=12, the number of people in our game. 9 townie+3 scum tends to be balanced. If we happened to have a modslip, and he gave Saruman, Witch-King, Sauron or something like that along with the full fellowship, I would have gotten us a quickwin.crazy_vlad wrote:I've read again all the posts. Khelvaster. your mass claim, in the first posts, in the first day, may have been well intended, but is has something fishy for me...
as there is no vote in present for you, and as I consider that we have to clarify that post - and to get to a clear conclusion whether you are or not oa bad guy, I'll give you my vote. it's not a final vote, it is an attention mark. that's all.vote KhelvasterShow"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Well, I guess he is too fishy to let go.Unvote, Vote Khelvaster
I really wonder what would have happened if I hadn't said anything though...Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Third Official Vote Count!
Votes required:7 to lynch
4, Khelvaster-crazy_vlad, Coolbot, GSGold, Matt_S
1, Zycronium-eljcko,
1, Matt_s-RangeroftheNorth
1, eljcko-massive
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Not Voting:4, Zyrconium, Spindax, thing =), destructor
I didn't want to vote him at first because I didn't think scum would ask for a mass name claim. The more I thought about it, the more I've been thinking that a townie would ask for one on day 1. I just don't get what Khelvaster's logic would be no matter what side he'd be on, and like you said we really don't have anything else to go on. Right now, this seems like the only good play other than voting Zyrconium for lurking, which we can do later.CoolBot wrote:]Huh? What did I say that changed you mind so quickly?
Plus I don't quite like Khelvaster's responses. The more I look back, the fishier things look. You did just ask for names of the 9 in the Fellowship. Now think. If only power roles had had names, you would have ousted all of them. Yet you said:
You seem pretty focused on finding out who's fellowship. You're associating the fellowship with power roles, which makes me look at your name claim with more skepticism. You've confused me from the beginning, to the point I thought you couldn't be scum. Now I don't see how I was so certain.Khelvaster wrote:I think it's pretty clear that we won't have 9 power roles, so asking for whether people are in the fellowship or not is perfectly legitimate.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Post 75(which has a typo, I said would when I meant wouldn't >.>) explains my reasoning. I was seriously doubting Khelvaster's intentions. The only reason I hadn't already voted him was because I couldn't see why a scum would suggest it either. I couldn't see a better play other than voting Zyrconium who's been lurking the whole time. And the reason I'm worried about my page one actions is because I created several pages of confusion with no clear gain. I also fail to see how calling out Khelvaster's plan in my first post is blending in.eljcko wrote: I am also growing suspecious of Matt_S, he did the same thing GS did; he bandwagoned for the heck of it. You also seem way too worried about your page one actions, and what do you mean by this:
You come across as trying way too hard to blend in with the town. I don't like it at all.Matt_S wrote: I really wonder what would have happened if I hadn't said anything though...
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I'm voting because I want to. I don't get why anyone would suggest a name claim on day 1, but I'd think it would probably benefit the town more. And I haven't "constantly apologized", I've expressed my dislike for the situation. I'm voting for someone whose motives confuse me. If you have a problem with that, that's fine. But your problem is that nobody else has done anything to get as much attention, and you're saying I'm fishy for attacking Khelvaster for his actions. But if it makes you happy I'll target someone else.FoS eljcko. Khelvaster says that if people weren't Fellowship, they just had to tell everyone. Yet he says there aren't 9 power roles, and says that because of that there's nothing wrong with asking if people are in the fellowship or not. The only thing I can guess is that he thinks names are connected with power roles. So in other words, "nonfellowship people, a.k.a. vanilla townies, come forward so we don't accidentally night kill you".
Of course he says this isn't what he meant, but the more I read his posts the less I believe him. I don't believe you either, eljcko. You seem to think that my vote is just to conform. It's not. I don't really know what else I can say that hasn't been said. Oh, except this: you said Khelvaster was "very suspicious" in your first post, yet you now start defending him once more people are looking at him. Realize this: if Khelvaster comes up scum you're my next vote.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Well, I see not much has happened since I last checked on Friday. I'm seeing an attack on destructor, which I'm iffy about. I initially voted him on the assumption that only power roles had names, yet as he put it, Khelvaster being scum and Khelvaster having a bad idea aren't necessarily the same. That said, I feel I should summarize my reasons for voting a little. Khelvaster made a lot of mentions of wanting to know if anyone wasn't in the fellowship. He also brought up the point that not everybody is a power role. Now I may be seeing a false connection here, but recently I got the feeling that Khelvaster wanted names of fellowship people under the assumption that they would be power roles. I'll have to go back later and reread everybody's posts, though I probably won't get that done for a few days since I'm playing my awesome new video games.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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No More Heroes, Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, and Mario Party 8. Despite the different demographics they target, I find all of them fun.eljcko wrote:
100% irrelevant but what are the new games?Matt_S wrote: I'll have to go back later and reread everybody's posts, though I probably won't get that done for a few days since I'm playing my awesome new video games.
On topic: I still stand by my stance against you if Khelvaster comes up scum. However, until then,unFoS eljcko, since I reacted pretty quickly. Speaking of Khelvaster,Unvotejust so the day doesn't end too quick. More people seem to find Khelvaster scummy than just who's voting for him, so I don't want a quick bandwagon to end this too quickly. Once things die down the vote goes back though. As for ting, I'd like to hear what he has to say, since you make some good points.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Good reasoning except for post 79 by me:massive wrote:Moving off of the lurky lynch, he says "the more I think about it, the more likely it is he's town, but since you all are voting for him, why not?"
The logic that Matt_S seems to be missing seems pretty obvious to me:
1. I'm Fellowship.
2. If I'm Fellowship, there are probably other Fellowship roles out there.
3. If there are other Fellowship roles out there, there is a possibility that all nine are out there.
4. If there are nine Fellowship roles, they are the town.
That's not even hard to follow. Khelvaster readjusted his attacking points, but that is the logic flow of it, in a nutshell.
unvote, vote Matt_S
I think Matt_S got lucky, in that CoolBot came out as a non-Fellowship-er before he had to make a definitive stand. I think vanilla townie is the safest fake claim a scum can make. I think he is bandwagoning despite admitting that he thinks the actions of Khelvaster are more likely those of a townie. Is this the part where I type DIE SCUM DIE?
Other than my post there I can't prove one way or the other. But let me ask you this: Where would we be if I came out immediately after Khelvaster's post and said I didn't have a name? As I've said before, the reason I didn't do this was I wanted to see how people would react, thinking the people for the claim would be scum. If I had said I had no name, then the scum wouldn't have to claim and potentially get caught lying. As for the logic that you say is easy to follow, try looking from my perspective:Matt_S wrote: Post 75(which has a typo, I said would when I meant wouldn't >.>)
1. I'm a townsman with no name and no powers
2. Other people without powers are townsmen without names
3. If someone has a name, they aren't vanilla, a.k.a. power roles or possibly lying scum.
4. Everyone who asks for a name claim has a name or is scum.
It's pretty much the same as Khelvaster's logic, just using what I thought instead. Yeah, it was shown to be false, but so was Khelvaster's logic. It doesn't change the fact that at the time there was no reason to think either was false. I still think Khelvaster's assumption that we could end the game in 3 days without danger was suspicious, since I assume that a mod would know that would be no fun for either side.
And lurky lynch? I don't remember suggesting a lynch on him. I said vote for him, as in force him not to lurk.
What you say is open to interpretation. It's easy to say after the fact that you meant something else. I don't like it when people think I'm trying to put words in their mouth, but I hate it when people act like they wouldn't do the same when on the attack. So think about this: What would you do if I suggested a mass name claim when you didn't even have a name? What if I got hell for suggesting it? Would you just assume I had the town's best interests in mind?Khelvaster wrote:You are incredibly wrong, Matt. What I'm saying is that being in the fellowship won't affect whether you are a power role or not. Thus, I doubt there are 9 powerroles. You've been misinterpreting me throughout the whole game, and I'm sick of it. If I saw exactly three people say they weren't in the fellowship, we would win because the 9 townies were in the fellowship.
I've had it with your putting words into my mouth. Vote: Matt
Since we know there are townies that weren't in the fellowship, voting someone who claims to not be in the fellowship wouldn't be a guaranteed win. Rather than give someone the benefit of the doubt, I chose to press them on it. Are you saying you wouldn't do the same? Up until now I didn't see a satisfactory explanation. Still though, there's no way for you to prove that's what you were thinking, the same way I can't prove what I was thinking.
Off topic: Vista randomly restarted and installed updates while typing this. Boo!
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It seems I've kind of screwed up. I had questions for Khelvaster, and once I saw that I wasn't the only one suspicious, I figured I'd be able to get some answers. I thought I wouldn't be able to get anything if I was the only one suspicious, so it wasn't until I saw that there was pressure that I decided that voting for Khelvaster would work. It worked in the sense that I got answers, but I don't think I'll ever be able to see things from the same perspective. And I have to thank ting for being able to read my mind and defend me.
Again I'll have to point to post 79, where I said that I meant to say wouldn't instead of would. As in, at the time I didn't see why a townie would suggest it.eljcko wrote:
You just contradict yourself way too many times. We have had this discussion before. Its reallt pro-town, but I think he's scum.I didn't want to vote him at first because I didn't think scum would ask for a mass name claim. The more I thought about it, the more I've been thinking that a townie would ask for one on day 1. I just don't get what Khelvaster's logic would be no matter what side he'd be on, and like you said we really don't have anything else to go on. Right now, this seems like the only good play other than voting Zyrconium for lurking, which we can do later.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I feel sorry for Imat for having to read through all this confusion.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I just remembered something. Back in post 28, I mentioned that something CoolBot said made me nervous. At the time I didn't say what it was. It was the fact that he said he wasn't in the Fellowship. Nothing about not having a name, just that he wasn't in the Fellowship. Of course I didn't specifically say that I had no name, but I was trying fish for reactions. Yet CoolBot mentioned that he wasn't Fellowship when coming to my defense. I'd think that he'd explain that not everybody had names, but he just said that he wasn't in the Fellowship. At the time, it made me even more paranoid. Right now, it's something that people may want to look back at. It's not exactly mind blowing evidence, but the way he worded his post seemed odd to me.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Imat: I'm not voting for anybody.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Imat: I said that I could see how Khelvaster was suspicious. I saw that other people also found him suspicious. I voted him. I didn't want to vote him if I didn't think people would be open to my point of view.
Khelvaster: Before I voted for you, what made you think I was trying to get you lynched, other than the fact that I said I found you suspicious?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Voting for a person and wanting to lynch a person aren't necesarily the same. Other than me voting you and saying you were suspicious, what makes you think I wanted you to get lynched?Khelvaster wrote:
Scum wouldn't do that, he says, but then he went and wanted me to be lynched. That's the prbolem.ting =) wrote: I agree that going, 'but xxxx is scummy because of yyyyy. You make me suspicious, FOS: xxxxx' is a scummy thing to do. Trying to get someone lynched without actually being on the wagon.
What Matt did, was, 'xxxxx is scummy because of yyyyyy. But then, why did xxxxx do zzzzzz? Scum wouldn't do that... I need to think a bit.' Which I think is not scummy enough to raise a vote for.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I'm pretty sure he just assumed the scum was partly Nazgul. I say partly because I seem to remember the mod mentioning Saruman as leading the scum.Talitha wrote:Khelvaster: What made you mention Nazgul in post 8 of this game? Was there some flavour text indicating this that has since been removed by the mod? Or did you just assume that the scum would be the Nazgul?
Everybody: If you have any specific questions of me, just ask. It makes it easier to defend myself because it tells me what people don't get rather than me having to explain everything.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Truth. I was trying too hard to catch scum. I didn't want to give scum too many clues. But I did say this:massive wrote: On a related note, however, Matt_S does not claim "unnamed" until after the theme gets pulled. Up until that point, he had merely said there was something in his PM that only vanilla townies would know. Can you read and infer that he's saying "we have no name?" It's possible. But it's also possible that he was hedging his bets and hoping that no one would keep pushing.
In other words, a name claim won't work because vanillas were unnamed(or so I thought). The more people seemed to have no idea what I was talking about, the more I hinted at it. And unless my memory has failed, nobody else has actually claimed unnamed either. It's always been my worry that the mod was screwing with me.If you got the same pm as me, it should be obvious why having everyone say their name wouldn't work at all.
A little later I PMed the mod to confirm that I wasn't supposed to have a name. He confirmed that I was nameless.What, have I gotten a different PM than everyone else or something?
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Yeah, why?eljcko wrote:
You seem very adament on lynching Matt. Why?Talitha wrote:I concur with eljcko's post:
So let's lynch him (Matt_S) and find out.And, my thoughts on Matt_S's role remain undecided. He may be vanilla, he may be scum. He shows flashes of both.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Sorry if I'm a little behind on this, but what actions have I yet to explain?CoolBot wrote:I don't see what we gain by stopping the wagon on Matt. He hasn't really explained his actions, nor has he claimed. All we know is he doesn't have a name, but beyond that, it's speculation. Surely, he's part of a group like Gondor or Rohan. At the very least, we should hear what it is before moving on.
And I did claim when I explained my position on the name claim. Unless you mean I haven't claimed a power role, in which case I find it pretty twisted that you're pushing my wagon just for that.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Well, it seems more likely than being just some guy from Middle Earth. I don't believe Matt has been fully honest, and he hasn't claimed despite being only a couple votes from a lynch. I think he's laying low, hoping this blows over. This is especially evident in his tactic of leaving vague hints and only telling us what they mean after someone says something concreteting =) wrote:What makes you think he's in a group like Gondor or Rohan if he's unnamed?
Finally, I haven't seen any convincing explanation of his quick turn around in post 70. Until I get one or he claims, my vote isn't moving.
Just so you don't have to look back, I'm vanilla.Matt_S wrote: And I did claim when I explained my position on the name claim. Unless you mean I haven't claimed a power role, in which case I find it pretty twisted that you're pushing my wagon just for that.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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My role pm says I'm a townsman who's in the fellowship.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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My role pm doesn't give a name; the closest thing is that it says I'm a townsman. Fellowship means pro-town.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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When YOU said fellowship, I thought you meant the book's and movie's fellowship people.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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So, did your pm say anything about the fellowship?CoolBot wrote:Sorry for the double post; I forgot to respond to Matt
Uh, I did. Until this exchange between us, that's what I thought everyone was talking about when they used the word "fellowship". And it's what you implied way back on page 1. An earlier clarification would of been helpful.Matt_S wrote:When YOU said fellowship, I thought you meant the book's and movie's fellowship people.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I, too, would like to hear this. I've been slightly suspicious of him at times, but I've gotten more of a town read overall from eljcko.Imat wrote:Ting, could you explain your suspicions of eljko? I haven't really gotten any vibes from him, either way, so I'd like to see what I missed.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I said a little too much about my role pm I guess. I tried to explain where the whole "fellowship" thing came into my pm.Talitha wrote:Did the mod delete a post of Matt's? What happened there? A brief explanation from someone who knows what is going on would be good.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Not Voting:7, Petunho, Matt_S, eljcko, crazy_vlad, Imat, massive, Coolbot
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Vote ting
Not that I don't appreciate your help, but you seriously are trying to get a lot of info about everyone's roles. I'd personally prefer to drop the name thing since it's no longer a part of the game, and there's better things to figure out than if someone's a named non-fellowship.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I take it that you can't see things from my original perspective of "only power roles have names"? And I am forbidden from asking someone why they are doing something that I think would hurt the town?Mert wrote:
Fishing much?Matt_S [9] wrote:I don't know whether to call you a scum or a power role.
Just in case you weren't clear in the previous post that you want to know if this person is a power role?Matt_S [10] wrote:Oh, and I'd like it if people didn't nameclaim until I get a satisfactory explanation from Khelvaster. If it wasn't for the fact that you could be a power ,I'd vote for you now.
Good lord, if I'd been here from the beginning my vote would have been on you for certain by now.Matt_S [12] wrote:So I'll say this: Whoever's the doc, protect Khelvaster. Whoever's the cop, investigate Khelvaster.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Other than the fact that Talitha wanted to lynch me, I don't think she's scummy. I certainly don't see any underhandedness. However, I'm not fully convinced about eljcko. For now,FoS eljcko
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Imat: Why wait until tomorrow to explain your suspicions? If you're dead tomorrow, then we'll have an assload of WIFOM.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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After a while I thought that my unnamed townsmanness was the mod being a bastard. Now the fact that a second person is the same seems to go against most of what's happened. I can't say I believe eljcko's claim, especially when he admits that it is very convenient. At this point I think an eljcko lynch would be the best option.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I prefer the phrase "lightly paraphrased" since it wasn't really a direct quote. However, I'll say this: I could have quoted my safeclaim. It doesn't really prove I'm town. But yeah, I claimed unnamed fellowship townsman.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I'm curious why the cop wanted to kill me to find out my alignment
However, I notice that Imat was one of the people who joined the Talitha wagon, after our friendly SK. I'll have to reread this later, because I'm overdue for rereads in lots of other games right now.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I don't think we can learn a whole lot from guessing who killed who. However, I will say that I think CoolBot was killed by crazy_vlad just because I have a hard time seeing a vig kill CoolBot.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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?Khelvaster wrote:Vote: Matt_S
I looked at CoolBot's accusations, and it looks to me like he had it in for Matt_S fairly hard because he thought the unnamed fellowship was a safeclaim. This would be a really bad thing for scum if it got out, so that's probably why he was killed.
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Scum fakeclaiming fellowship != traitors in the fellowshipQman wrote: In the context of Coolbot saying he was named fellowship, and turning up scum, i'll believe i was right. the setup of all town fellowship is retarded and you can't convince me otherwise.
And still waiting for Khelvaster to respond.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Compared to the other two victims, yes.ting =) wrote:Why? Do you think coolbot looked townie-ish?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Or he's scum with a safe claim who thinks he can break the mod in favor of the scum. Why do you ignore this possibility?massive wrote:I'm not suspicious of Khelvaster because his actions would only be understandable if he (a) had a named role and (b) his named role was a member of the Fellowship. Otherwise his plan to "break the mod" by nameclaiming has absolutely no point.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Did CoolBot really claim named non-Fellowship?massive wrote:Because I think it's a huge, unnecessary gamble for a scum with a safeclaim to make. If you're scum with a safeclaim, you STILL want to lay as low as possible and keep all the role names from coming out -- otherwise, the first time a scum turns up dead, the town has a pretty good idea that scum have safeclaims and invalidates the whole thing.
Also, there's this: If Khelvaster is scum and DOESN'T know the safeclaims of his scum buddies, then his play is doubly dangerous, as he could potentially out his buddies. If Khelvaster is scum and DOES know the safeclaims of his scum buddies, then he knows CoolBot has a "named non-Fellowship" safeclaim, and wouldn't come up with the idea. Cogito ergo not scum.CoolBot wrote:There are nine people in the Fellowship. In the novel, they all of names, and from khel's actions, it seems pretty clear that he has a name and is part of the Fellowship.
This doesn't really make sense considering your actions. When I said I wasn't part of the Fellowship, you said:Matt_S wrote:Fellowship means pro-town.
I don't get this. If you are part of the Fellowship, how did anything I said convince you that you weren't alone? I never said I had no name and I specifically said I wasn't in the Fellowship.Matt_S wrote:While it's comforting to learn that I'm not alone,
He says he wasn't fellowship. He never really claims named from what I remember, because he really avoided that. Then the second quote seems to be saying that he's not named, since fellowship people are more likely to be those with names. There's no guarantee that what CoolBot was going with was his safeclaim, if he even had one.CoolBot wrote:
That's more or less what mine says too. That's why this townsman in the fellowship stuff confuses me. If anyone is named, I have to believe it's those in the fellowship.massive wrote:My PM does not specifically say that the Fellowship is the Town; it says a lot of stuff about conquering the baddies, but it doesn't say anything about the Fellowship.
Now I ask this. Do you have any evidence for Khelvaster being a townie that isn't WIFOM?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Or he has a safeclaim of one of the roles. The whole "scum wouldn't do that" is what makes it WIFOM.massive wrote:I believe that, in order for him to even POSIT that the entire town might have the roles listed in his very first post, he MUST be one of them himself. That's not WIFOM.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Yeah, it'll be nice to hear from them. I've got a feeling this massive/Qman discussion won't get us anywhere.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Like I said some time ago, I'm waiting for Khelvaster to explain his first post of the day. And now that he's posted again without doing so, I think I'llmassive wrote:Matt_S, Khelvaster:Please, by all means, tell us who YOU think is suspicious.vote Khelvaster.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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I was actually wondering if he meant something else entirely and just failed at language. Or he intentionally made that mistake. I figured he'd be the kind of guy who would read the dead guy's alignment, so I'm leaning away from a.massive wrote:Obviously you think that he either (a) failed to read that CoolBot was the Mafia Godfather or (b) is scum and completely forgot that CoolBot was his Godfather. Which do you think is more likely?Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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unvote. I'm going to have to wait for Mert now. I want to hear some of his updated suspicions, since I was unimpressed yesterday.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
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Vote Mert. Mod:prod Mert plz. I thought there would be more activity day 2.Show"So I went to the librarian in the biology section and asked her if she could find me a map of the cat." -Richard Feynman
The Feynman Problem-Solving Algorithm:
(1) write down the problem;
(2) think very hard;
(3) write down the answer.-
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