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In post 39, dragonspawn wrote:So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.
This ^ is what bothers me. A few votes into an RVS wagon and he's already guarded in this post.
So it's a serious vote for me. And it should be for you too.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 73, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Wagons are good for information and it's a great way to start any game.
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In post 82, dragonspawn wrote:Saying omgus is defensive?
No, not really.
In post 83, Annadog40 wrote:I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)
VOTE: dragonspawn
So, you were happy with your RVS like two posts before this. What makes you change your mind?
In post 85, TheCow wrote:
I mean, I don't even think it was OMGUS, more like "you too". Though it wasn't saying OMGUS that the bandwagoners are latching onto, but the post after:
In post 39, dragonspawn wrote:So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.
The tone isn't really that defensive -- it actually sounds fairly relaxed -- though the meaning behind it is, in the end, defensive. At least, that's what it looks like, I think.
If my understanding of what OMGUS may or may not mean is incorrect, please, someone correct me.
It's not about the OMGUS mention at all, it's the post where he's like "Oh you're voting me and not providing reasoning in RVS? Better put that in my notes TSK TSK!"
In post 86, dragonspawn wrote:
Garmr is probably town. If he was scum hr would probably be bussing his partners right now.
What?
In post 89, dragonspawn wrote:In post 84, Garmr wrote:Defensive is your reaction to multiple RVs votes on yourself
Btw how can you make me being defensive the justification for your vote if you vote for me before the post that is supposedly defensive?
I mean it could be his justification for KEEPING his vote on you, but at the same time this is an interesting point.-
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In post 92, dragonspawn wrote:Anna isn't easy to read because she is still a newb. She could be scum but not willing to just assume so and I see no reason to rush anything.
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In post 106, dragonspawn wrote:So bbt what is your grand argument for me being scum?
He's not really claiming to have an argument I don't think. Which is a bit bothersome, I'll admit.
In post 107, Bellaphant wrote:Wow, much posting, many votes. Not joining the Ds wagon yet, although thier overreaction to an rvs wagon is strange.
Currently more worried about Rc and her lack of sharing Info.
Why not vote for him then?
(Also, RC is a he not a she)
In post 108, Garmr wrote:If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum
Why are you already drawing associatives?
In post 116, Garmr wrote:In post 113, Keyser Söze wrote:A pre-flip associative read:
In post 108, Garmr wrote:If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum
Can you explain this please.
Boonskies seems to be fighting against A ds lynch/wagon even through wagons this early and early wagons tend to drop really fast. Boons post have been attacking the wagon.
In post 48, Boonskiies wrote:NOOOOO.
DRAGONSPAWN IS MY BESTY.
VOTE: The Cow
For voting my other main man.
In post 53, Boonskiies wrote:But...but...but...Dragon. How about I make an actual vote?
VOTE: Garmr
He basically started this pile on wagon. Sword was just jokingly OMGUS'ing.
And after those votes attacking the wagon he posts this.
In post 65, Boonskiies wrote:Eh, I won't fight the lynch, but I'm not going to join it unless he's L-1.
This feels like boonskies backing off from dragonspawn and I don't feel boon is competent enough as scum to not make mistakes like these.
Tbh I feel boon and dragon spawn seem connected and if they were connected in a townie way boon skies wouldn't of posted the post above and If boon skies was just town reading dragon then he wouldn't be posted this post. Post 65 Is a scummy post tbh I am happy with getting rid of boon and dragon Already easy game is easy.
Yea, but it's unlikely that scum defends their buddy this early in the game, really. Neither of them are new.
In post 117, Keyser Söze wrote:Comments made about the wagon
In post 51, Shazam wrote:What makes you think it's a bad idea?In post 55, Prolapsed Brain wrote:I'm ignoring it. It's bad and you should feel bad for instigating.In post 61, Aeronaut wrote:Although BBT's reason for joining is iffy.In post 65, Boonskiies wrote:Eh, I won't fight the lynch, but.I'm not going to join it unless he's L-1In post 72, TheCow wrote:I mean,? I'm curious, because I don't quite understand that.why are you pushing the wagonIn post 107, Bellaphant wrote:.Wow, much posting, many votes. Not joining the Ds wagon yet, although thier overreaction to an rvs wagon is strange
FINGER OF SUSPICION
Which person is that FOS on?
In post 119, Annadog40 wrote:In post 83, Annadog40 wrote:I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)
VOTE: dragonspawn
So, you were happy with your RVS like two posts before this. What makes you change your mind?
Rhymes
Fair.
In post 124, duppin wrote:
I like everything BBT has done so far to be honest, but I am not very interested in the dragonspawn train at the moment.
Um, what do you like that BBT has done this game? From what I've seen almost every post is just pushing people to vote Dragon BUT refusing to say there's any reasoning behind it. I also haven't seen him comment on much else in-game. Why townread someone like that?
Also, this brings up a good point. BBT, do you have reads on any other people right now besides Dragon?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 145, Kitty Galore wrote:Hey there, so in watching the dragon wagon show, I have a couple of thoughts. I like keysers and aeronauts analysis and questioning.
My opinion of dragons response is that it is not an OVER reaction, it is a dragon reaction. I have played with him before and it seems like a typical dragon response. I don't see it being alignment indicative. I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.
This whole post contradicts itself... you say you like the questioning from Key and I, but then below you say that any serious votes on that wagon are bad? Me and Key are serious votes on that wagon.
In post 166, dragonspawn wrote:In post 156, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Gonna give this a thorough read through soon.
If I didn't know you better I would think this comment is pretty scummy. Pushing a wagon without reading through.
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In post 172, mykonian wrote:
Not very pleased by how easy duppin got off. Aero is looking townier now. Must be his pretty eyes.
Ohhh Myk buy me dinner first!
In post 173, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 60, Aeronaut wrote:
This ^ is what bothers me. A few votes into an RVS wagon and he's already guarded in this post.
So it's a serious vote for me. And it should be for you too.
What is scummy about being defensive?
This still doesn't look any better on a reread.
In post 80, davesaz wrote:Hmm, looks like pushy BBT. I've seen this personality both as scum and town. I like the questions, so makes me lean town a little.
Interesting. If you have seen me do it as both town and scum, why would you give me a lean town read?
In post 86, dragonspawn wrote:
Garmr is probably town. If he was scum hr would probably be bussing his partners right now.
I'm sorry, what?
Cool.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
This whole post in the context of the last five pages confuses me. Why did you suddenly decide to leave the wagon you've been pushing aimlessly for the whole game?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 180, Aeronaut wrote:But like... You suspect PB for making a 180 on dragon, but you also just made a similar 180. So how is that any different?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Um I might possible be a tad drunk so I may totally claim my double bulletproof cop-mason role in this post
In post 207, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You don't think I have provided reasons for my reversal of read on Dragon?
Also, a read and a vote onto a wagon are two different things. PB went against the wagon, stating he was ignoring it and I should feel bad for pushing it. Then he joins the wagon I'm pushing and doesn't explain the reversal in his read.
I explained the reversal. PB did not explain his reversal. There is a huge difference in both of our actions.
Can you vote PB now?
I don't really know why I should vote PB besides that thing he did which you also did.
In post 223, Garmr wrote:In post 181, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 178, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 102, RadiantCowbells wrote:Spreading awareness of a tell decreases it's value.
I'd rather keep this one for myself.
You would rather weasel out of explaining anything at all.
That is, inherrently, anti town at best.
VOTE: RC
Share what you have or don't bother posting it.
What the fuck did you just say to me you little shit?
I'll have you know I'm the top scumhunter in the entire MafiaScum and have over 300 confirmed scum lynches.
I'm extensively trained in VCA and have conducted numerous secret raids on the Werewolves.
You are nothing to me but anotherhated townie.
I did something like this to crumb a hated role once are you crumbing one?
Oh jeeze don't be asking for people's roles
In post 232, Garmr wrote:In post 227, Bellaphant wrote:@kitty - like what? 'Coz that wasn't it. Who is your no1 lynch rn?
@Gamr, can you explain about your comment on associative before a flip?
Already answered that in my post right after maybe read my iso
Also if you say things like this when people ask you for clarifications then I'm going to policy lynch you.
In post 234, Shazam wrote:In post 161, Keyser Söze wrote:
Do you still stand by your first reason for voting dragonspawn? Or has his defensive-reactions added to your scum-read of him?
Both.
In post 186, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 160, Shazam wrote:This kind of defensiveness is hard to read because it's at the very least anti-town.
Why is defensiveness anti-town?
This question is such a blatant misrep that I almost want to vote you. You chopped off the context, and even in that one sentence you quoted, there is the phrase "this kind" that you just threw out the window with your question. If you are asking why a kind of paranoid defensiveness that causes a player to misread posts and think they're more against him than they really are is anti-town...I think it's pretty obvious. It hurts the town when someone misinterprets what everyone else is saying and gets super defensive about it because it is a) deceptive b) illogical and c) often seen as scummy. In this case, I do see it as scummy, which means it's at least anti-town if he's actually town.
In what way is it a misrep? Sorry, just not getting that.
In post 237, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 234, Shazam wrote:
This question is such a blatant misrep that I almost want to vote you. You chopped off the context, and even in that one sentence you quoted, there is the phrase "this kind" that you just threw out the window with your question. If you are asking why a kind of paranoid defensiveness that causes a player to misread posts and think they're more against him than they really are is anti-town...I think it's pretty obvious. It hurts the town when someone misinterprets what everyone else is saying and gets super defensive about it because it is a) deceptive b) illogical and c) often seen as scummy. In this case, I do see it as scummy, which means it's at least anti-town if he's actually town.
Wanna fight?
Being defensive is not scummy, nor is it anti-town. For you to suggest such things is absurd. People interpret posts differently...that's kind of the point of online Mafia. If everyone interpreted posts in the same away there would be no discussion. So no, 'misinterpreting' as you put it is not deceptive and it's not illogical and as stated earlier being defensive is not scummy.
Eh, depends on really the situation. Like some kind of defensiveness is natural and makes sense in the context of the ISO of whoever is posting, but other times it seems "off" or unwarrented. People who go around yelling "THAT GUY IS DEFENSIVE HE'S A SCUMBLE" at every person who picks apart their own wagon are silly. However, that's a lot different than noticing someone being overly defensive for not quite a lot of threat, eg what happened earlygame with dragon.
In post 242, Garmr wrote:I don't remember dragon spawn being this oblivious in my mason game with him he demonstrated the ability to think I even understood his thought process in my mafia game against him he was logical this feels like a act to play off as dumb
This is the other reason I'm choosing to keep my vote where it is... I feel like Dragon is smart usually and he's just being either naive or obtuse in this game and I can't figure out which. I feel like it's obtuse.
In post 252, RadiantCowbells wrote:Don't really agree is putting it mildly.
If I post my tell here everyone will start being conscious of it, and will make it useless.
Yea, the observer effect.
Where did he give into any pressure? I may be just tired but I guess I missed that happening
In post 256, Garmr wrote:Kling are you town or scum
Solid questioning
In post 261, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah, I was making a joke based off of what someone in my neighbour hood said.
Don't worry about it.
Lol I've decided I love playing with you
Sorry for any mispellings / nonsensicle sentences in there. I think I'm sobered up but who the heck knows at this point
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@Dragon
In post 276, dragonspawn wrote:Ill give you some reads I'm still formulating.
Town reads
Boon - cause he is still awesome. And it just feels like a town boon game so far.
This isn't very convincing to me.
Garmr - cause he has been pressuring me. I'd fully expect him to be bussing scum buddies if he was scum.
How would you know if he were bussing his buddies at this point in the game?
Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.
That's a slippery slope.
Bella - for reasons previously articulated.
Can you tell me these reasons again? All I saw in your ISO is Bella hedging in a post.
Prolapsed - he has been posting but not exactly providing with much substance. And his reasoning for getting on my wagon was poor.
Well, he didn't have a reason. Neither did BBT. But you're townreading him.
Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.
Yea, kind of agree with this actually.
@Garmr
In post 277, Garmr wrote:@aero hated town should always be claimed so me asking the role isn't a bad thing but only a competent player would know that.
Also that game when I was hider I started off bad but then I got two town confirmed and lynched two scum which included you so don't be bitter you made shit choices and got screwed over because you under estimated also you were kinda obvious scum
I didn't say anything about your play that game, I just said I think the role is dumb.
@Boon
In post 282, Boonskiies wrote:RC's obviously in a neighborhood with Garmr if what he said was true. I still like my garmr vote. I'm not supporting the Dspawn wagon. This happens every game he's semi active in Day 1; last time I had to out our best friendship Day 1. Which we lived until end game for a town victory, whattup, even doing the honors of catching a couple scum!
Why is garmr scum? I currently have null read on him. All you've said is that he "started the pile on" the wagon. Do you have anything stronger than that?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 297, Annadog40 wrote:In post 276, dragonspawn wrote:Ill give you some reads I'm still formulating.
Town reads
Boon - cause he is still awesome. And it just feels like a town boon game so far.
This isn't very convincing to me.
Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.
Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.
Hmm . . So Klingon lack of involvement makes her town read while mine makes me slight scum read?
Uh... this is like the same exact thing I posted right above that.
In post 300, Prolapsed Brain wrote:I'm not on any wagon. Why are you not paying attention?
Ok, do you have any sorts of reads or analysis or anything at all?
In post 307, Bellaphant wrote:
PB's iso is not giving me any positive feelings, though. He's not sharing information, and with 12 posts I feel I should know -something- about his read on the game, and I don't.
VOTE: PB
My problem is, I feel as if this could be said about a lot of people right now. Klingoncelt, duppin, Kitty Galore, SilverWrath, Kop, Sword Master, all people who I personally have no idea about because they've barely posted. The only reason something is compiling on PB is because it's a wagon, and someone like Kop isn't.
In post 318, TheCow wrote:
Prolapsed needs to post more. Do any players here have experience with them? They would be better of reading them.
In any case, kind of leaning scum at this point, just based on tone and content alone.
I've only played with PB one time, but he was exactly like this when I played. It was also explained to me by RC in that game that this is just his playstyle. So, right now it's null to me.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 350, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 349, Shazam wrote:In post 346, Bellaphant wrote:@myko, who is the one townie?
@Shazam, why are you attacking what is basically a play-style thing? It doesn't look like you've bothered to work out if it's anything to do with alignment, and it's no different to a bunch of people's reads. Why chose to take apart that post, in 14 pages?
If you're referring to my other post on this page, I'm trying to help someone be more constructive in their reads so that I can better determine if they or the people they are reading are mafia. So my question to you is: why are you pretending that that is the only post I've chosen to take apart in 14 pages? It's clearly not. I will only respond to those things which interest me.
Shazam, which are you, noob or alt?
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In post 329, Shazam wrote:In post 307, Bellaphant wrote:I likewhat FA is doing.
@BBT, I can kinda see what Gamr is saying about dragon -I feel likehe's not looking any deeper at the game and it'sfrustrating to me.
In terms of Soze, his Isoconfusesme. Some of itseemsreally genuine and town-minded, some of it is just...noisy and the discussion with mykdoesn't fill me with town-vibesIt might be a style thing.
PB's iso is not giving me anypositive feelings, though. He's not sharing information, and with 12 postsI feelI should know -something- about his read on the game, and I don't.
VOTE: PB
This is poor. If you expect anyone to agree with you about who to vote, talk about more than your feelings. If you don't expect anyone to agree with you, why are you doing it?
I mean, it's honestly better to hear a person's feelings of someone rather than lifeless calculations and statistics. Some people do VCA and that drives me absolutely insane. If you're trying to call out someone because they're telling us their personal feelings on the game, you're reaching.
Having said that though, the thing I did notice about the post you quoted is that while it doesn't seem manufactured/fabricated, it does feel very... fence-sitting. Will probably come back to this.
In post 331, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 308, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Can you explain this? Hoping for something substantial from your slot soon...
Earlier on, when the Dragon flashwagon was rocketing ahead, I was certain that you were Scum. Now I see how you were using it for information. So now you look Townish.
This is something I agree with, but don't think I've mentioned. BBT was giving me some scum vibes near the beginning of the game because of him just pushing the wagon without any real reasoning or analysis. Looking at his later posts, though, there's been a good amount of analysis of the wagon(s), him using it, etc. So I feel better about BBT for now.
In post 341, mykonian wrote:this game has too many dragon votes and too few on soze/duppin
Why should any of us be voting Duppin? I read your thing about Soze. Don't agree.
In post 348, Garmr wrote:Do you have some sort of sick and twisted post restrictions rc
Spoiler:
In post 346, Bellaphant wrote:@myko, who is the one townie?
@Shazam, why are you attacking what is basically a play-style thing? It doesn't look like you've bothered to work out if it's anything to do with alignment, and it's no different to a bunch of people's reads. Why chose to take apart that post, in 14 pages?
This is selective questioning at best.
In post 353, Klingoncelt wrote:
I've come across some very cocky noobs of late. They don't help move the game along at all. They hinder it.
Now if he's an old player using an alt, that makes a difference.
Ok, that's fair. Honestly any cocky player is usually pretty bad for the town, IMO. People do things such as fakeclaim three different PRs as town, etc. You remember that wonderful game don't you?
In post 355, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 354, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Kling, can you state your reads please?
Right now paranoia's taken over. I'm not liking much:
Aeronaut
Annadog40
Bellaphant
Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Keyser Söze
Kitty Galore
Kop
mykonian
Prolapsed Brain
SilverWrath
Sword Master
Yeah, more than half the players.
I actually kind of like this post a lot.
Not the part where you suspect me.
But I like it anyway.
In post 368, Garmr wrote:I feel quite comfortable now just sitting here thinking and taking note of reads to myself. large games are like that through I can always sit back and analysis things at my own pace.
Why did you feel the need to tell us this?
In post 371, Keyser Söze wrote:My comments in.red
In post 365, mykonian wrote:You had trouble to get going this game.. You didn't want to miss the boat and get called out as a lurker so early on you wanted good looking posts out to get off to a good start(That is your opinion, I have been enjoying this game from the very beginning [not aligment-indicative]). There are two keys to this, first "good looking" and the second that it was forced by your gameplan, not naturally by other people's posting. So what we end up with are very early posts with lots of quotes and a stiff structure. So by page 5 we see a PBPA(I have never been called a lurker, and I don't think I ever will be called a lurker. I would rather replace out then lurk [not aligment-indicative]). That's straight up silly should you have been town. As scum however, it makes a lot of sense. The PBPA structure makes that getting a post out with seeming analysis is doable, it helps you post. And really, you'll always find something if you want to in those. PBPA's are fine. But not on page 5. On the same page we find a logical setup about a quote where the premise is very neatly detailed etc. The argumentation is similar. Sure you could do that as town, but more usually a town sees a post, quotes it, and points out what he's seeing. He doesn't need a setup at the time of what is the exit of the RVS(Do you think only a scum-aligned player is more likely to post in my style? [not aligment-indicative]).(Again you are saying my playstyle is less likely to be written by a town-aligned player [not aligment-indicative])
Later on you get into your groove more, as expected. The start of the game is awkward for scum, you don't know where everybody stands and first impressions do count. But once that's past, you know what people want and who they suspect, responding to them and asking questions about it gets much easier, and as such scum posting would be expected to feel more natural. It's easy to blend in when people already have an expectancy from you(I was not trying to blend in, I am developing and challenging my reads continually [not aligment-indicative]).
Shame your early game gives you away
Suggestion: Re-read my posts.
Think: 'Is it possible for them to be posted from a town-aligned player?'
Conclusion: All your reasons I cannot challenge with logic, as it is the same reply for all of them: 'Why can't a town-aligned player have posted this?' There are no allegations to respond to, no miss-reads/miss-reps to support, no contradictions to address: only comments regarding my playstyle.
- I will frame this Shame your myopic game let's your scum-hunting ability down.
"Shame your early game gives you away"
See, I feel like Keyser here and in his other posts like this is doing theoppositeof what Mhyko's saying. He's not trying to blend in, if anything he doesn't care about his image because his posting style is so radically different than most people. I don't know whether I should be townreading that, but I am.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 381, Annadog40 wrote:In post 370, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:May I ask why?
I don't see why their not explaining their voting reasons is scummier then all the other players who do the exact same thing
This is a great fucking point.
In post 382, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It's not just the not explaining his vote.
He went against the Dragon wagon and then joined the wagon. He never explained his reasoning for joining the wagon; when questioning about joining the wagon he unvotes.
Other than this, he has done nothing noteworthy in the game.
That is more than enough reason to vote someone.
Ok, well I recently voted for Shazam without any explanation after pushing Dragon for the majority of the game for *actual* reasons but neither you nor anyone felt the need to come after me or my logic for it. In my mind, that's basically the same thing, if not moreso.
So....
In post 390, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:He is clearly paying attention to the thread.
Don't let his lack of posting fool you.
Again, that's a good reason but Garmr literally posted that he was doingjust that, (e.g. paying attention to the game but not posting ON PURPOSE) and you passed that up for the lurkerwagon. why.
Not big on the wagon or not big on their play?
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How do you feel currently about Garmr, Anna, or Duppin?
Ok, I'd like to know what's serious enough that you needed to say "it's serious" all dramatic like, but not serious enough that you were fine with just jumping on the PB wagon.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Here's the thing about the PB wagon.
We're getting really nothing from it. PB is posting next to nothing, people on the wagon are just relaying the same reasoning about him being a lurker etc etc. I don't particularly think he's town, but I also don't particularly think he's scum either. I have no real clue because he's not posting a lot, butthat can be said about a lot of players right now.
BBT's reasoning on paper is fine, but the problem with it is that it can be applied to a lot of people, but isn't right now.
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In post 417, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hopefully we can get an intent to hammer stated in the next page or so.
:/ I really feel like you're rushing to end the day.
This is a lurker wagon.
In post 419, Klingoncelt wrote:Okay, here's the lame expansion of my paranoia list:
Aeronaut - He's starting to look less scummy now. But he fooled me before. It's that cute little avatar and his super nice approach... Can't trust this guy
Annadog40 - On the plus side, knows who the Beatles were. Voted Dragon because rhymes? Hmm. This early in the game I don't expect tons of content from anyone, but Anna's posts are pretty vacant. Will be watching her.
Bellaphant - Can't get a grip on her.
Boonskiies - Unusually quiet. Not alignment indicative, but bothersome.
Dragonspawn - I usually see him as Scum on D1. I'm usually wrong.
Keyser Söze - He's either a very good player, or he's very good because he's Scum. Focuses a lot on Mykonian
Kitty Galore - Not a lot of posts, blames R/L. Okay, could be, but Scum often use that as a cover.
Kop - V/LA. We'll see...
Mykonian - Definitely a veteran player, which means as Scum he should be pretty good at convincing us that he's Town.
Prolapsed Brain - An older player that reads like a noob. I dunno what to think of him.
Bulbazoor/(SilverWrath) - Silver flaked. Not necessarily a Scumtell, but the slot now bears watching.
Sword Master - V/LA. I'll be watching him when he gets back.
Add in Garmr because in post 269 Aero points out some things that aren't ultra Townie.
Pretty weak reasoning, I know, but it's early in the first Day, what do you expect? I want to keep an eye on this group of players, hopefully I can move some into the Town column by the end of Day 2.
This was honestly still better than that thing dragon posted a few pages ago, though.
What do you think of the few posts Bulba has made, by the way? I feel like it's weird that you focused on the person who siteflaked rather than the person who's posted.
In post 423, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 404, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 361, mykonian wrote:In post 346, Bellaphant wrote:@myko, who is the one townie?
Thecow's page 13 is very townie. Not the individual posts, but the series.
Klingoncelts list is indeed not very productive, which he knows. The issue is that he starts from a gut read and tries to condense that. Or in his words, he's mostly paranoid. He finds the easy things to dislike, the people who lurk, the people who post awkwardly, the people who got fingers pointed their way. Which is exactly the thing an average scum would try to avoid. That list includes the bad scum, so you are probably going to find a couple there, depending on what the mod randomly sent out. I'd be a bit sad though if klingon actually used that as his starting point, he's discarding the average scum to muck around in a hard to read pool of players. It's something to keep in mind, not a reads list.
SHE isn't as noob as you think, dear.
I know some of the players and how they think.
Interestingly, who are the 'hard scum', 'soft scum' and the 'average scum' mykonian is alluding to?
What?
In post 427, Keyser Söze wrote:
I understand why this wagon has formed, but I don't want a player joining the wagon without posting their reads/reasons (which we have already seen, as they would be guilty of the very thing we are suspicious of about Prolapsed Brain.)
That's like 75% of the votes on the wagon
In post 429, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:People do not 'escape my wrath' when they derp hammer. I can assure you of that.
Now, can we get this PB wagon back together please?
Were you under the impression that it had fallen apart?
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Alright, going to do this a few pages at a time. I should be able to finish tonight.
p19, p20
In post 450, Keyser Söze wrote:I told you we needed to wait for Prolapsed Brain's response.
We didn't even get a role-claim
For the record, this post makes me pretty unconfortable. It sounds very "Look how pro-town I'm being!". AKA it looks like Key here is trying to pin the lynch on anyone but himself. And it seems almost rehearsed/fabricated.
In post 468, pisskop wrote:
Annadog40,[Town] Gunsmith, has died Night 1.
Mykonian,[Town] Citizen, has died Night 1.
Klingoncelt,[Town] Citizen, has died Night 1.
One of these kills makes Garmr town.
In post 470, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Wow.
Is that common for a large to have 3 NKs?
VOTE: duppin
Sheeping Mykonian.
Yea, I've seen it a few times before. Usually that many kills means we also have some pretty strong protective power to balance it out, though.
I'm really puzzled as to why you're so easily sheeping Mhykonian's scumreads for no other reason other than that he was town, and he died. Why not Anna? Why not Kling? There's zero chance you're so lost on reads at this point in the game that you have to resort to basing your vote off of the D1 reads of a dead VT.
In post 476, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, I'm sure everyone forgot I was pushing that wagon Keyser; thanks for bringing that up. Very pro-town of you.
VOTE: Bulba
You're calling Keyser Anti-town, but then voting Bulba. Just thought you ought to know.
In post 477, davesaz wrote:I typically don't like going for lurkers, but Kitty Galoresticks out as having posted just often enough to slide by without saying anything usefulor even voting.
VOTE: Kitty Galore
Pedit: Bulba stuck out too, but I thought Kitty's no-vote to be interesting, especially if it's a silent vote mechanism.
This is gross.
With all that's gone on do you really have no better direction than to vote someone for lurking? I mean, like, aren't there other lurkers, and why aren't you trying to push them? Tbh, the bolded just describes yourself. This was a safe-ass post and you know it.
Again with the sheeping Mhykonian. Has the bulba lead gone cold?
In post 485, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It was half-joke (after voting dupping) and half serious (I think Mykonian makes the most sense as a kill coming from scum) and I like to keep things simple and assume that people are killed because they have good reads. The Anna and Kling kills completely baffle me though.
Keyser's recent posting was pretty terrible and I'm not feeling the conviction in his posts.
PEdit - The vote came before FA, Bulba and Kling. We couldn't see it though, it wasn't included in the VC until a lynch was achieved (which was bullshit)
This post is really why I have a problem with the above posts. It would be easy enough for you to kill Mhykonian just so you could blindly and safely sheep his reads the next day. I feel like you're better than this.
In post 489, dragonspawn wrote:Then if we are going to presume this is a scum pr then bulb is the best candidate because he voted with the intent to push him to L1
This is true. But I also don't feel like Bulba was in the game long enough to have made that vote, right?
In post 496, dragonspawn wrote:Anna night kill doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. More than likely a vig if anything. She didn't add much to the game. I could easily see a vigilante thinking she was scummy.
Anna looked pretty town tbh.
BBT looks pretty bad in my opinion. Dave looks pretty bad in my opinion. Not sure about key yet. These reads may change as I go, but honestly BBT is probably where I'm voting today.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 510, davesaz wrote:In post 376, davesaz wrote:In post 368, Garmr wrote:I feel quite comfortable now just sitting here thinking and taking note of reads to myself. large games are like that through I can always sit back and analysis things at my own pace.
My turn to ask... my earlier impression of your play was to pick something and tunnel it. Did I misremember or something?
@Garmr, don't think I got an answer on this.
Anyone know Garmr well enough to comment on meta?
This soft meta push is silly.
In post 511, Keyser Söze wrote:Here are the votes on Prolapsed Brain's wagon:
In post 249, duppin wrote:
I noticed PB did post after he got called out, but didn't respond to it.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
In post 307, Bellaphant wrote:PB's iso is not giving me any positive feelings, though. He's not sharing information, and with 12 posts I feel I should know -something- about his read on the game, and I don't.
VOTE: PB
In post 385, Keyser Söze wrote:That question makes me re-think my stance:
Pressure wouldforcehim to play to his win-con* and try to survive.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
In post 391, dragonspawn wrote:I'm thinking pb needs some more pressure.
VOTE: pb
We need to get him talking and interacting.
<DOUBLE VOTE POSTED HERE>
In post 393, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 385, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 384, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Keyser, do you think it would look scummy for PB to suddenly start doing ~things~ once people started to vote him?
That question makes me re-think my stance:
Pressure wouldforcehim to play to his win-con* and try to survive.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
*as both town or scum.
This is true.
Lets see where this goes: VOTE: PB
In post 421, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 420, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That is more than 'pretty weak reasoning'.
Having said that; maybe if you join the PB wagon and we push him you will be able to develop a read?
Perhaps...
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
I believe this puts him at L-2.
Yea, so Bulba joined us after the vote was given. He replaced Silverwrath who I'm pretty sure siteflaked, so I don't really see him having put the vote there in that place either.
In post 516, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because on the surface it looks pro-town (he has a lot of posts like this) but in reality it does nothing as anyone with a pair of eyes can go and look at the votes on the PB wagon and how they got there.
Keyser is trying hard to play the role of 'Helpful Townie' and I'm not buying it.
This is one of the few things I kind of agree with you on. However, your reasons for voting Key have changed. First you're just sheeping mhykonian, and then when you're called out on it it's because he looks fabricated. That looks cheap to me.
In post 522, Shazam wrote:Guys, if you think this extra vote is a scum PR, then surely you think it's too powerful to be unlimited uses. And if it has limited uses, why would they use it D1? The only good answer I can think of is that they wanted to make sure that one of their own did not get lynched.
VOTE: dragonspawn
This makes sense anyway. Given the pushing of the counterwagon to dragon's by so many people, it's likely scum joined in on that. BBT would be a strong possibility for a dragon partner, but I'm more confident in dragon being scum.
I believe that Dragon is town because of this post You should too.
Nope.
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In post 733, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 729, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 468, pisskop wrote:
Annadog40,[Town] Gunsmith, has died Night 1.
Mykonian,[Town] Citizen, has died Night 1.
Klingoncelt,[Town] Citizen, has died Night 1.
One of these kills makes Garmr town.
Why?
That only makes sense to me IF you know the source of those kills - information that we are lacking AFAIK...
I won't be answering this at any point today.
In post 735, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Another important comment for you to add;
BBT gives 0 fucks about this game.
Discuss.
UNVOTE:
Why? Because I'm pushing you?
In post 740, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I appreciate it but unfortunately I won't be lynched Today.
ehhhhhh
In post 742, Keyser Söze wrote:
Only at L-1.In post 741, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Should I claim now?
Why don't you scum-hunt? Analyse your wagon at least. Never seen you this defeatist. If you are town, you are making yourself an easy lynch option for both town and scum. Tell us your reads and why you have unvoted.
We're not putting anyone at L-1 for the rest of this game unless we're completely ready to lynch them.
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Oh, wait BBT is the Vig?
So that means garmr could be scum. He was town in my mind because he was the one who was talking about kling being scum, and I thought he had taken the kill.
But yea if BBT did it then that changes things
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In post 906, Garmr wrote:I also don't like aeronauts react to BBT claim he is way to accepting.
Well nobody else is coming out and saying "um I killed KLing, BBT is a lying asshole"
Although yea it's possible he's just scum claiming that. So. Eh.
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This is up to 28.
In post 624, Keyser Söze wrote:
Therefore we can categorically say,. However, whether he knew about the double voter scum PR role is another question.Bulbazoor did not personally make the double vote
Oh yea actually, I guess this is true. Scum having daytalk makes this especially true.
In post 634, TheDominator37 wrote:ok im here and replacing bellaphant
VOTE: bbt every game I will RVS you
Posting an RVS post on Day 2 is like trying to insert a floppy disk into your apple watch.
In post 662, Kop wrote:VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
From what I have seen, don't like his posts.
Need a full catch up, but he is what caught my eye reading through.
Ehhh this entrance
Oh cool.
In post 697, TheDominator37 wrote:Spoiler: why is bbt scum? Let's look!
Ok so after these quotes there is no way you could possibly think that bbt has town intentions. He is insulting people off of not voting on the wagon he supports the most at the moment. He has shown no signs of scum hinting at all just randomly pointing his finger and insulting people not voting for him. Here he says he makes reads and them follows up with absolutely nothing. No explainations absolutely nothing. Remember the giant push on the RVS wagon on dragon? He says that wagons like that are good for scum reading but he hasn't posted any results from this as well as explaining his 180 turn on his read on dragon. All of this combined gives me absolutely no reasons to let him live today. And even if you don't think he is scum he should be a candidate for A policy lynch.
So I was under the assumption that the thing BBT got out of the Dragonwagon was PB's crappy vote/reactions and then pushed him. AKA, the tactic was to push a rando wagon and get some reactions/votes, and then analyze THAT wagon for votes and reactions. Him switching to PBisa result of his original push on dragon, so you can't really say that he didn't get anything out of it.
I actually was thinking along these same lines, but looking back now, I feel like it's more towny that he openly admitted to not having a real reason to scumread dragon, and I think he even said it was just for reactions. I feel like it'd be almost scummier had he made up some really bullshit reason.
At the same time though, I guess his push on PB was also really bullshit.
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Ok I feel like me catching up on stuff is becoming less and less relevant because of what's currently happening in thread, but I really feel the need to comment on this because it's really silly.
In post 698, TheDominator37 wrote:
*Spoilered*
In post 46, Aeronaut wrote:Clearly scum.
In post 24, Aeronaut wrote:Just as long as you look busy
In post 61, Aeronaut wrote:Although BBT's reason for joining is iffy.
In post 74, Aeronaut wrote:In post 73, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Wagons are good for information and it's a great way to start any game.
Thanks mr. IC!
In post 95, Aeronaut wrote:In post 92, dragonspawn wrote:Anna isn't easy to read because she is still a newb. She could be scum but not willing to just assume so and I see no reason to rush anything.
ummm have you PLAYED a newbie game?
I'm not sure what motivation that would be but I'm leaning towards scum due to the fact that he joined the dragon RVS wagon and then refused to give any reasons what so ever and then switched over to PB once bbt told him to. My read on aeronaut is scum lean. If anyone can give some sort of meta that could help.Through the first half of the day aero did absolutely nothing at all. All he did was these jokey fluff posts.
So in this post, you specifically took a few select joke posts I made, and skipped any sort of real game-related content or analysis I've provided. That really makes me mad because I absolutely hate it when people just come into games to troll. If you're not going to take a game seriously then don't be a part of the game. (I understand I personally have a problem with being inactive in games, but that's not exactly the same)
The point though, is that you pulled 8 random posts from my ISO, and then presented as "This is everything Aero has done today". Which is an absolute fallacy.
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In post 749, TheDominator37 wrote:In post 744, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Might actually try and read this today.
Haven't read the game properly since page 13 or something like that.
Soooo.. Let's just lynch random people for reasons never to be told
This is pretty true though. I can't really take BBT seriously if he's only read half the thread.
In post 752, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Apologies Aero, I assumed you were voting me given you're pushing me. Why had you not voted for me?
Because I hadn't finished catching up.
In post 753, Shazam wrote:In post 740, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I appreciate it but unfortunately I won't be lynched Today.
Wat.
UNVOTE:
I've gone back and forth on this, but ultimately I think Aeronaut's right. dragonspawn's not the secret voter. That doesn't mean he's not scum, but we should probably be looking at lynching someone else today. I'll be rereading this game at some point soon.
I'm really starting to wonder why I ever thought shazam was scum, tbh.
In post 772, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That doesn't answer for the contradiction whatsoever.
VOTE: Keyser
My vote won't be moving.
In post 779, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Almost forgot this. Only one extra kill huh, FA?
We're in multi-ball ladies and gentleman. FA was clearly expecting two kills; not three.
VOTE: FA
... your vote moved
I'm not really sure that's a slip, honestly. Am looking to FA's reply to that, though.
In post 785, TheDominator37 wrote:Just stop it bbt. You have been caught. This is checkmate. Tic-Tac-Toe. Fatality. Bingo. Uno. Straight Flush. Whatever game you play this is the end.
You kind of sound like a supervillian from an old comic book sometimes
In post 788, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 662, Kop wrote:VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
From what I have seen, don't like his posts.
Need a full catch up, but he is what caught my eye reading through.
You're kidding. You have got to be kidding. Is this guy for real?
That's your only comment? After a whole DP, that's all you bring to the table? Wow.
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In post 957, TheDominator37 wrote:FoS Boonsikesfor lurking, lack of an explaination for his vote and he being inactive fits his scum meta
I'd be more inclined to scumread him if he WERE active.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 800, TheDominator37 wrote:How can there be you have 8 scum reads then?
Well, some are probably independent of each other.
In post 802, Keyser Söze wrote:
Theory: BlueBloodedToffee knew he was caught, so basically gave up - "BBT gives 0 fucks about this game." (damage limitation).
Then someone in his scum day-chat tells him not to give up - to go back and cause as much confusion as possible, scum-reading half the players left alive, creating WIFOM, sheeping dead townies and voting different people.
This theory seems a little bit tinfoil hat to me. I think it's likelier that Rory is the Master.
In post 804, RadiantCowbells wrote:That's a solid point regarding FA_Q2.
Still think we should lynch DS, because DS gives more info on BBT than vice versa and all the people who I don't like alignment wise are on the BBT side of the spectrum.
What do you think of Garmr?
In post 805, FA_Q2 wrote:
I have never played a large normal that was not a multi-ball game. I expect that it is multi-ball. Do you honestly expect something different?
Really???
In post 807, Bulbazoor wrote:In post 801, Keyser Söze wrote:@pisskop. Do any scum faction(s) have day chat?
As per the game rules, All private chats have daychat
Hey hye.
If you want mmy reasons to acum read aero. It is because aero has been posting things like useless filler and whenever he posts something, it is basically commenting on already existing opinions instead of making his own reads and conclusions from the comtext of the thread. Even his rvs vote came off bad to me. And so did his entrance.
Can you point out my useless filler posting?
In post 809, FA_Q2 wrote:
Why?
That does not make dragon town in any shape or form. Given what we know, if the double vote is a scum PR then it is very likely that they knew that it was in play.
IOW, that really has little bearing on weather or not dragon was town. It is exactly the type of post that scum would have thrown in there to seem town. As far as I am concerned, it is a null. That post neither shows dragon as town or scum.
Yea, I understand that. That particular post seemed pretty genuine to me, so it made him seem town, if the double vote is indeed a scum role. Be clear though, I don't mean thatconfirmshim town for me. I meant it makes him look town.
Also, since we're on the subject, does me thinking dragon is town make me one of his buddies?
In post 812, Bulbazoor wrote:K. I have read through his iso again and decided he can be a happy town for now. Thanks for quoting hat post. It helped me.
lol
In post 813, Bulbazoor wrote:Dom is a suspect though.
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In post 922, Garmr wrote:Sighs I just figured something out which I wish I saw earlier and I don't know what to do with out outing his powerole. Dragonspawn is 100% confirmed scum. You can mislynch me I flip town but Dragonspawn has been copped.
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