Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Jack]

confirm

[Jack]

/confirm

[Jack]

Claim:

either

doctor or cop, to get that out of the way.

With this setup they can't risk missing a kill on me so no danger in claiming...I will provide "results" or results after each day to keep it uncertain. I will also take suggestions or "suggestions".

and

Vote:Mothrax

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Xine

I prefer less blatant swearing in games (unrelated to vote).

[Jack]

...Clearly I've joined the wrong game. We're on page 43 ALREADY!!!? :O

We lost a few pages when the board crashed.

[Jack]

@Empking: What is scummy about Nikanor's sillyness on page

4

3?

Its distractingly silly (do you mind if I use )( instead of "h") and why would town want to be distracting?

What do you think about posts 75 and 77? :p

[Jack]

fos:nikanor

[Jack]

Xine is scummy (response to both the above posts)

[Jack]

Xine is scummy (response to both the above posts)

*looks at thread title*
*doesn't see "20 Questions Mafia"*

You only asked me twice though, not 20 times. Typo I

guess

.

[Jack]

"Is that such a crime?"

:stare:

[Jack]

Nikanor is scummy, lynchmepls is tosky.

Azazel is scummy, his lmp vote is very bad. He calls him for bandwagoning in a 20p game with the second vote? When his own vote is a bandwagon? He has problems with lmp changing his rvs vote 4 pages in? He thinks antihero is scummy but finds lmps vote for him scummy? Too much.

[Jack]

Requesting replacement.

^^Not the sk

[Jack]

Just in case the SK is new, in case you don't know sk, it is the best strategy to try and kill mafia early on (as long as their flip doesn't make it look bad for you). Once the town has one scumflip they will search more effectively for buddies and lynch them instead of you.

[Jack]

I think yos is scum.

[Jack]

who cares?

[Jack]

Holy crap, you guys post quick. I'm here, I was just working.

I think yos is scum.

The oddest post I've seen that hasn't been commented on. Is there any special reason for this?

Context, my friend.

[Jack]

Nikanor, how come you haven't moaned at Jack for giving the SK advice on who to kill? How is Jack's post different to the one of Glork's you had a problem with earlier?

fos:elderad

How is advising the sk to kill scum similar to advising the scum to kill a town pr? Careless fake scumhunting

[Jack]

I'm here too, the thing that stands out the most to me is Azazel voting Antihero, but not wanting to lynch him...? Why would anyone who is town place a vote on someone thet don't think is scum???
VOTE: Azazel

Interesting, and what's the thing that stands out to you second most?

Here's a tip though, when you're scum try not to pretend like you read the game when you actually just stopped at the first excuse for a vote you saw.

[Jack]

or splitting the vote to save a potential scum team member VasudeVa?

Call him "Vas,"

[Jack]

Empking doesn't know what a lie is

And also in your "jack is scum/doc dies/the cop claims scenario" your forgetting that the cop wouldn't claim because he would be confidant in my lynch if he got night killed.

[Jack]

Empking doesn't know what a lie is

My dictionary says something meant to deceive. Like trying to cover for your scumbuddy and hoping nobody checks.

And yos meant to deceive how? He hoped nobody would check, that's your claim?

You said it was a clear cut lie. But that is not true, it is an obvious

falsehood

. So your claim was false, and if you meant and understood it, you were lying.

And also in your "jack is scum/doc dies/the cop claims scenario" your forgetting that the cop wouldn't claim because he would be confidant in my lynch if he got night killed.

Then why is the cop wasting an investigation on you?[/quote]

Why indeed, he wouldn't bother. Are you going to admit you were wrong?

[Jack]

I want to call yos-empking distancing on this one.

[Jack]

BEST TOWN PERFORMANCE??????

[Jack]

I suppose I'm fine with ending the day right now.

unvote, vote:Empking

[Jack]

I want empking gone. Let's do it.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Agar

[Jack]

On what basis UK?

Who do you suspect?

[Jack]

You have a dangling "you" in that post uk.

[Jack]

Does your over posting theorem lead you to any other suspects snake?

[Jack]

Well why don't you prove it and vote me, no need to go with the flow

[Jack]

Espy?

His suspicion of empking is so sincere he forgot his name.

[Jack]

fos:mothrax
fos(again):xine

[Jack]

What do you find suspicious about mothrax?

What don't you?

[Jack]

I'm not sold on snake as scum

He did softclaim/claim early as scum in another game.

[Jack]

Yos, are you scum?

Sometimes I think so.

I'm not sold on snake as scum

He did softclaim/claim early as scum in another game.

Was the other game with normal roles and an open setup? I think that's a big determining factor in early-breadcrumbing behavior.

No. Well, fairly normal roles. But thinking about it scum hinting at their watcher ability is a bit of a different motive than we have here.

[Jack]

Oh cj, that was not at all unexpected.

[Jack]

Yes. Especially since he already confirmed in thread which leads me to believe that he is KNOWINGLY conforming to the rest of the group.

And Yugiboy pissed me off in irc once cause he told me everyone hated me and wanted me to GTFO. But he wont remember that cause I was using my usual name. But that's entirely irrelevant and I really need to stop posting exactly what I'm thinking.

Show me where he confirmed in thread bfore this page. He has two posts total, both of which come after 10 plus pages.

Interesting tone.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:mothrax

no, she made a point out of him "knowingly" bandwagoning, she says she doesn't buy that it's a random vote, and she's voting for him

[Jack]

cj would have hammered first post if she could have, just for kicks...let's go with someone who is trying not to be scummy but failing.

[Jack]

Nice dodge; bandwagon please.

[Jack]

@eldarad: what do you think of mothrax?

[Jack]

She did, but she also had faulty logic. What say you to that?

No this is a very bad point and a very bad case on haylen,

fos(again):Agar

The only possible scummy thing about haylen is that it's possible CJ confirmed in the scum QT but not the game. But saying he confirmed in game when he hadn't is not scummy. One naturally assumes that at this point everyone has at least confirmed.

ON THE OTHER HAND

herr

mothrax's

claim was that she was pretending CJ had confirmed in order to QUOTE "cover" ENDQUOTE for him. How in

God's name

was haylen trying to cover for CJ by voting and accusing him? That's a completely ridiculous point and obviously a misrep to anyone who can read.


@AntiHero:Both UK and myself said that mothrax was scummy so why conclude it is omgus?

[Jack]

@Jack: But the whole counterwagoning CJ against the Snake wagon is still good, right Jack? Right?

No, why? People often don't mention wagons. Where's Agar's solid stance on the Empking wagon? He's assuming that snake is scum his scum buddies are avoiding the wagon why? Why not get on it?

[Jack]

I don't really care about that stuff. If mothrax DOES flip scum does it not make her look more innocent? etc. I don't really like the snake wagon anyway. Besides haylen asked glork if he was going for a policy lynch on CJ back on page one so she's obviously familiar with CJ thus I read nothing much into her being willing to lynch him for whatever reason at all. Not that I have a particular reason to think haylen is townie there is just nothing that is actually scummy there.

@mothrax: why are you still voting snake? You think you've caught 3 scum today?

[Jack]

I'm feeling better about lynching snake. And there doesn't seem to be a mothrax wagon.

[Jack]

I've screwed this game up enough...

unvote vote Snake

I know self voting is scummy, but I'm no good to you all here now. Apologies for not playing my best. Someone hammer pls and then you can sort out who the real scum are.

Post the playerlist in order from scummiest to least scummy please...

To summarise: You've got nothing on me and I think you're just mentioning something about me to make it look as though you're posting content when you really arent.

No he just said you were "not scummy but lazy" so of course he "has nothing on you" and it's a short sentence so how is it like he's trying to pretend content?

[Jack]

@ Jack - he's trying to pretend to be posting content by using those out of context quotes as evidence.

I missed that your quote came after the post where he had the quotes.

But accusing him of faking content at this stage of the game is a bit bizzare. On the whole it just sounds like you took the "lazy" comment personally

[Jack]

unvote, vote:snake

[Jack]

unvote, vote:mothrax

[Jack]

unvote, vote:snake

[Jack]

unvote

fos:anti

[Jack]

unvote, vote:snake

[Jack]

vote:mothrax

[Jack]

Possible other scum: azazel/nacho, xine, also agar:

Obvious scum is obvious.

Hey guys, guess who

1) Wasn't on the Snake wagon
2) Never took a position towards the Snake wagon
3) Easily slid onto the CJ wagon

If you answered Haylen to any or all of the above questions, you're CORRECT!!!!!

Scum #2 found.

She's done nothing this game that helps us. Only blithered random bullshit and essentially claimed she couldn't scumhunt D1, which is bullshit.

Yeah, that just about sums up Haylen's playstyle as both alignments. Good job pointing out the obvious. Now how about hunting for scum?

You apparently missed where I said meta is trash. If she's going to be fucking useless as either alignment, then she should be lynched until she starts playing.

If you read over his comments about Haylen, he generally tries to act as if he finds her scummy but always seems to relapse into criticizing her play. Which makes him scum going after a townie he thinks is playing poorly enough to get mislynched.

Being abrasive in response to criticism is a scum tactic and scum tell as well.

[Jack]

Also I remember finding antihero scummy but don't remember why exactly.

don't think it would hurt for nikanor to explain his sk-theory, since the only thing I can guess is that it's based on cj being nightkilled, which I don't quite see how we can get much from.

[Jack]

Well, I suppose the idea is the SK would only have killed cj if he really thought cj was scum and didn't have any other major suspects. I would probably have killed CJ as SK though because I don't like super lurkers.

[Jack]

[Jack]

his previous post was just ':D'

This is a

LIE

[Jack]

Uk, AGar is not claiming a convenient dislike of meta. He does this every game.

DON'T GIVE ME THAT META TRASH

[Jack]

Anyways, case on UK.
ISO #2: It was quite obvious in Glork's post that he found Jack more stupid than scummy. He doesn't vote in the post even though it's only page 2, which should be the first tipoff. He also asks Jack if he thought the claim through at all, which again, suggest more stupid than scummy. In no way does Glork infer that there is NO WAY that Jack is town, as UK suggests with her response by saying "I disagree with Glork... some [town intent] could exist..."

But this doesn't make ANY sense from a town protown perspective.

I disagree with Glork about lack of town intent behind it, since I think some could exist

response is reasonable, don't quibble

/quit reading case

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

[Jack]

I read the rest, and don't like it. Not good and I doubt your sincerity.

[Jack]

I don't get elderad's vote.

[Jack]

Xine, you should vote...

[Jack]

Why are nacho's points decent?

[Jack]

Come to think of it, I bet UK is the SK. The mention of malths game got me to look back at a few of her posts and I get a gut scum feel, she was pretty passionate about killing CJ in malth, and her play reminds me of poa.

[Jack]

Sure.

I don't know about UK. The CJ connection seems potentially weak.

What was nikanor's reasoning?

[Jack]

You have that kind of "It's annoying when people correctly vote me based on terrible arguments" attitude uk.

[Jack]

And what am I supposed to say against that? Just "no, I don't"? I mean, it's kinda improvable either way. Um...that's nice Jack? Go ahead and vote me if you think that?

At least I'm not pretending like it's super dooper undeniable evidence and you don't have to cuss about how it isn't

@nacho: I meant, the CJ thing as evidence of uk as sk is weak. I don't believe in the voting to make a point thing either.

[Jack]

Xine's points on Haylen

and

Agar fail pretty badly (not to mention they're kind of

fencesittish

)

Back to AGar. I don't see him as scum for his attack on Haylen, or any other (?) reason.

I do think he's correct that Haylen is uberscummy.

Explain.



Agar is still scum I think.

[Jack]

I was asking antihero to explain.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Agar

According to his ISO he had a positive view of UK. He did not find Nacho's case persuasive when it was posted (only comment was to ask for vote count).

The tone of his last post is him trying to dance between "I really find her scummy" and "well the other wagon is on me" without saying either outright.

[Jack]

Nacho, I'm sure your uk-is-scum eyes can see the chatter between her and Agar as bussing/distancing.

[Jack]

nacho, I eagerly await the UK case.

I see a few UK votes, which I don't understand. Reading nacho's case.

nacho, I disagree with your assessment of UK's play, but I do think she needs to learn yoga or breathing exercises or something to calm down.

I also find interaction with LMP to be peculiar

Appeasement?! It's a joke that only Haylen and I understand, I just explained it!

Yeah, I don't see anything about nitpicking in either of those posts.

Please try again.

5) Azazel and Antihero lurk like pros. Also, in case anyone forgot, look at their interactions earlier in the day. At least 1 of them is scum, possibly both.

Nope, just something I noticed in the vote count, Mr. Hay Factory.

LMP's case = hilarious epicfail.

LMP, you're still harking on about that stupid appeasement bullshit? For the last time, I was explaining an inside joke between me and Haylen to Azazel, who obviously didn't get the reference and voted me based on it.

LMP is so full of it, it's gushing out his ears.

VOTE: LynchMePls

I can't at all see where and why he found it was scummy. It seems purely defensive.

Oh. Jack is right. Xine is scummy.

I (think) I see what you see with xine (mere quoting + jump on bandwagon).

Xine's points on Haylen and Agar fail pretty badly (not to mention they're kind of fencesittish), as does the soft attack on Jack.

I also think, given the huge errors in his description of Xine's points, that this is an example of scum remembering their "suspect" and throwing out a point for consistencies sake.

[Jack]

In summary then his play can be characterized as:

Pretending to have eager interest in players, when he actually doesn't (nacho uk quotes).

Belatedly trying to turn a defensive stance into a "I suspect him" stance (lmp quotes).

Trying to keep up the appearance of suspicion on someone but not actually reading them carefully (Xine quotes).

Pretend edit:

Apologies, I missed this quote:

Who at the present time is the most scummy to you all? and Why?

Nik for the crappy attacks, and LMP for both nitpicking and crappy attacks.

But the point is essentially untouched. He proclaims him most scummy once, but in the middle section(responding with " " and "epicfail" and such) he does not speak as if he finds LMP scummy, until his late vote here, which is also strange given the wagon state (UK vs agar). He says uk isn't scummy, but his statement about Agar is a step back, he says "Xine's points on Agar fail".

Additionally, here is what Xine said about haylen:

she has spent this game making AtE excuses, stalling, and active lurking. when called out on it she complains and calls names, goes V/LA and continues to post (so V/LA to her is an excuse to active lurk?) she has promised a content post by the end of Monday, and if it is not posted on time, I will absolutely vote her for lying/stalling...again, early tues morning.

Here is what Antihero said about snake:

The hardcore AtE + the continued refusal to scumhunt = scumSnake; I like my vote.

And here is what Antihero said about Xine's points about haylen:

Xine's points on Haylen...fail pretty badly

unvote, vote:Antihero

I think even AGar can wait till tomorrow, although they are very likely scumbuddies

[Jack]

before this derails though. Breaking a promise is not lying. Lying is saying something you believe to be false. Commissive statements cannot be true or false, they can only be sincere or insincere (based on whether the person intends to keep the promise).

[Jack]

I don't understand what you don't understand about it, or why you jump from "I don't see why town" to "scum".

He finds them both scummy.

They have a weird interaction that doesn't sound natural --> since they are both scummy it's distancing scum interaction

Then UK asks for his case

on antihero

.

So he says "here's my case

on antihero

and btw azazel is his scumbuddy". You make a big deal out of this and claim that he's trying to shoehorn points, but that's not true.

There's nothing at all unnaturally town here, just that he finds something scummy that you don't. I see no attempt from you to judge the entirety of LMP's play, and you say that my case on antihero (which is strong and simple) is interesting but that you can't look at it now(??) even though Antihero's guilt would seem very relevant to LMP.

What do you think of LMP's ISO 12 and 13? I basically feel like you are making a case on lmp based off of one post and haven't even bothered to read him in ISO or look at the post that he made that one in response too.

fos:elderad

[Jack]

Just caught this:

Nacho, I'm sure your uk-is-scum eyes can see the chatter between her and Agar as bussing/distancing.

@Jack: Gee, didn't I just say that?

[Jack]

Replacing the claimed SK, that's a tough job. Hope you enjoy being the town puppet.

@uk: just a joke

[Jack]

You ever replaced into a game before nocmen?

[Jack]

No, no problem, do you remember the game names offhand?

[Jack]

Douple Post: Here are two games I found where I replaced in, a long long time ago.
http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?p=834588
http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewto ... c28a1cbfd2

Just checking to see if your style of replacing was at least consistent.

[Jack]

I found a lot of things uncomfortable about it to.

He at least does that kind of thing when replacing as town (page 7 of the first link). But the content is still questionable.

[Jack]

So can we get the Antihero wagon going please?

Also,

LynchMePls - 3 - eldarad, Antihero, Nocmen

[Jack]

The hardcore AtE + the continued refusal to scumhunt = scumSnake; I like my vote.

[Haylen] has spent this game making AtE excuses, stalling, and active lurking.

Xine's points on Haylen...fail pretty badly

[Jack]

@Nocmen: why did you disqualify "both are town"?

[Jack]

So basically you think that yos and lmp are of opposite alignment because you think lmp is scum and yos can't be his scumbuddy.

[Jack]

I agree with holding back scumreads sometimes.

[Jack]

Sometimes your read is kind of nebulous and if you argue it it you convince yourself that it's more solid than it is. Sometimes it's better to juggle things.

You're right that it gives the town less to go on with regards to that person, so they have to step it up in another area.

[Jack]

He has 55 posts on site since his last post here.

[Jack]

I am a lot less gung-ho for the AGar wagon than before.

@vas: "harmless lurker lynch"?????

apparently some people are fooled by his "look at all this catchup stuff, aren't I pro-town

I'm unsure about nocmen, but this is true. It's tempting to put him in the town slot based on that, but this is scum doing a catchup post:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2445274

Some people care enough to put major effort in as scum...

[Jack]

I'm fine with Antihero wagon. Nocmen can wait to tomorrow, apparently some people are fooled by his "look at all this catchup stuff, aren't I pro-town (nevermind that it is completely contrived and full of contradictions/falsehoods)".

Unvote
Vote: Antihero

@VV: Your AGar case is not at all as damning as you think it is.

Are you just trying to flip between Anti and Me, and going whichever is most popular?

When the hell were you most popular?

[Jack]

Are you just trying to flip between Anti and Me, and going whichever is most popular?

When the hell were you most popular?

I never said I was, but when people started saying stuff about Anti being suspicious, LMP switches his vote to him. Opportunistic?

[Jack]

Can you define opportunistic for me?

[Jack]

Can you define opportunistic for me?

Voting when others show interest in voting, and when they show appeal towards lynching someone and voting for them, joining in.

By this definition, we can never lynch someone without ~5 opportunistic votes.

[Jack]

@Jack: I assume Nocmen means when they ~*~always~*~ do it, voting solely to be on the biggest or next biggest wagon.

Is this what you meant Nocmen?

[Jack]

I guess I can see that. You could say he jumped on the Anti wagon even though he hadn't ever expressed suspicion of him before. But why didn't he join the AGar or UK wagons then, tell me that?

[Jack]

I guess I can see that. You could say he jumped on the Anti wagon even though he hadn't ever expressed suspicion of him before. But why didn't he join the AGar or UK wagons then, tell me that?

He did suspect Anti before. He made a big deal about Anti in D1 and early in D2. And then focuses on me, and when Anti votes start, he votes him again?

So where's your problem?

[Jack]

fence sitting is often a good thing. For the same reason that not sharing your scum reads often is, btw.

@Xine: why is Agar's vote on UK?

[Jack]

OPPORTUNISTIC MUCH?!?!?!?!?

[Jack]

"Not Voting: RedCoyote"

You really

are

picky about rule 15 :p

[Jack]

You two are siblings?

[Jack]

unvote, vote:UK

[Jack]

*looks very closely*

[Jack]

Oh, uk.

[Jack]

You can claim SK now if you want. But we will still lynch you

[Jack]

The mafia lie about being SK...especially to get the cop lynched.

[Jack]

UK is lying, I'm the real SK. She's just mafia.

I will kill antihero tonight.

[Jack]

I think nopoint is scum.

[Jack]

Well then why don't you shoot him if you're the SK, Jack?

OH WAIT, YOU AREN'T YOU LYING FUCKER.

I'm already "shooting" Antihero

[Jack]

uk is mafia, not that complicated.

[Jack]

I don't think we should lynch Nacho or UK. Antihero is still a better lynch. If we lynch UK, and she is the SK, all we're doing is helping the scum. If we lynch Nacho, we risk lynching the cop. I say we let the situation play itself out, and lynch scum-Antihero.

Nah, just think about it, is there any way in hell nacho is lying?

nopoint trying to direct the doc protect is massively scummy. Regardless of who we believe is what, there is no way we should be calling the doctor to protect a specific target.

I think he may have outed himself as scum but I wasn't even thinking of that.

[Jack]

Oh please, you guys are crazy.

Nacho is obvtown. I assume the "there has been a moderation error" is in regards to that.

Haylen is scum I think.

I liked LMP a lot but his post about UK being the sk makes me vastly suspicious. But antihero is still probably scum.

[Jack]

I do not believe that Nacho would have kept a guilty to himself until that late in the day. He's a very excitable player ^_^

So you don't believe he's scum because he claimed a guilty on the investigation immune SK?

[Jack]

Also, SORRY UK, looks like you got a tough draw this game. But I am still happy to lynch the SK early.

[Jack]

No defense needed. I am the SK. Direct my kill as you will.

If you believe he's scum fake claimed cop, all that other stuff is extraneous, and contradictory.

[Jack]

I don't think we should lynch Nacho or UK. Antihero is still a better lynch. If we lynch UK, and she is the SK, all we're doing is helping the scum. If we lynch Nacho, we risk lynching the cop. I say we let the situation play itself out, and lynch scum-Antihero.

LMP and me are usually on very similar wavelengths. But this is vastly different from my thoughts at the time in a way that is explained by him knowing that UK wasn't mafia.

nopoint trying to direct the doc protect is massively scummy. Regardless of who we believe is what, there is no way we should be calling the doctor to protect a specific target.

This sounds like someone who might later decide nopoint is the doctor.

[Jack]

lmp, you were so town before

But a fast wagon on someone who has a claimed guilty on them and has claimed SK is not likely to be scum driven. And RedCoyote is the most likely to be scum from that group. And haylen's play is very scummy. And that antihero end note is so scumbuddyish.

[Jack]

Oh, I found the other scum. Three out of four down!

That is a blatant misrep and you know it. I've stated my reasons for believed Nacho to be scum, do I need to pick one now? Has mafia really come down to needing one good reason to lynch someone, rather than many reasons?

If "he fakeclaimed cop with a guilty on someone" is what

causes

someone to believe nacho is scum, then that is what they say--they aren't further persuaded by "as cop he wouldn't have held onto a guilty for so long". The second is just an argument to try and add suspicion to someone masquerading as genuine belief.

[Jack]

Antihero--lmp--haylen--Red? We have several huge question marks still but I'm pretty happy with this.

[Jack]

Secret scumtell.

[Jack]

Yeah, LMP wagon is the best way to go right now.

Vote:LMP

[Jack]

I tracked LMP last night. He visited nopoint.

Haylen, switch to LMP.

[Jack]

Seriously, you checked? Well you didn't know (apparently) that there was a doctor, so I thought I'd test you.

[Jack]

Yeah, I'm tempted to swap nocmen in for haylen, sadly.

[Jack]

I'm the deputy SK.

Glork do you think red is too quiet?

[Jack]

He reminds me of when we were scum in vanillaside and he replaced in and basically disappeared after one huge opening post. And the stuff before his UK vote looks like he was just adding padding.

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote: LMP

Still think he's scum, prolly buddies with Anti, blahblah, I'm gonna get called out for being opportunistic, but hey, LMP is too, hypocrit, etc, IDGAF, lynch him anyways.

Suspicious.

[Jack]

Someone hammer.

[Jack]

838.

Let's just lynch, I'm impatient. Nikanor can just die.

[Jack]

Lots of people I want to hear more from.

Who and why?

[Jack]

It cracks me up that all three scum were the entire wagon on lynchmepls at one point.

Also, apparently I always find red scummy. How unfortunate.

I intended my post to start day 2 that was just a vote on mothrax to be a pretend cop breadcrumb. But then the real cop claimed and the cat was out of the bag on that one.

I thought sudo nym was a pr too the way he was obsessed with me.

[Jack]

This game depresses me. GG town.

Yes I felt bad for you reading the qt of the night before you got lynched.

That was just awesome. We did some MARVELOUS distancing this day, AND the SK died. We're in really good shape.

Tomorrow is going to be awesome.

We're in such good shape after this. I'm positively giddy.

[Jack]

The distancing worked on me...sort of. I thought eldarad was scum and lmp was town for eldarads distancing...which is kind of a sucky way to distance. And I did move him off my scum list after lmp flipped scum.