ChronX wrote:vote:xtoxm
because i don't know how I'm supposed to say that in my head
May it haunt your dreams! This@ Justin: I think it might be a good idea for you and I to reread our spat. I may have confirmed a scumtell on you but that doesn't mean you are mafia. Certain key pieces of damning evidence are missing from a complete case against you, such as signs of partnership between you and the others I suspect. Though I understand that it is not an argument, I assure you that I am town, and wonder if you, through honest contemplation, can find the holes in your own case.
He can't answer for them at all, no matter his role. That is an unreasonable request. You can base your vote off what northjay said, but you can't ask the new guy to answer for himYthill wrote:Welcome Shteven. You are replacing into my hot seat though I will withhold my vote, giving you a chance to read the game. Once you have, I'd love to know your opinion of the confrontation between myself and your predecessor (96-103, 113, 120-122, 132-136), with the understanding that you cannot truly answer for his statements.
No..I think he just signed up, forgot about it, and never came back. This is very common in online games.MafiaSSK wrote:Sorry I've been a bit inactive, FireFox wasn't working too great with MafiaScum. But welcome Shteven. I would like to hear your opinions on other characters as well. Sorry if I can't do my review of everyone but I don't have the time. But I will keep my vote on whom used to be Natude I really hate inactiveness in Mafia games and still think that it is a sign of scaredness.
Why did you say that? what does it mean?@ Xtoxm: If you are town, watch your back on this. Your intentions may be entirely innocent but I do not believe Shteven’s are. Either way, you could tarnish your reputation here if you’re not careful.
This. And I also remember you saying somehting about having your go in the hotseat, but I couln't find the post.Anyone else want to take a stab at me before we move on to other matters?
This sound like an excuse for purposely trying to avoid something being brought up, soemthing mafia would do so as to stop the town clocking somethingYthill chides him less mildly. Did you really not see that? IMO, Incog’s interjection was less excusable than Xtoxm’s but me pointing it out aggressively would have seemed OMGUS, reducing the validity of the accusation. I figured I’d leave it for someone who wasn’t on the wagon to bring up, but I guess it’s too late for that now.
Why do you want to reserve your vote for pressuring? are you trying to force out power claims or something? I just decide who i'm gonna vote for and stick with it, not throw it around on people i'm not conviced are mafia for the sake of it. Why are you willing to revote mafia later over the same information we got on page one?Good points ChronX. I may revote Mafia later, but I think we have plenty to talk about for now and I’d like to reserve my vote for pressuring others.
I'd be interested to hear why you have me at the middle of the road?My Current Reads
Ask if you want me to elaborate on anything. Obviously I do not have any reads on DS or Natude.
Definitive Town: Ho1den, charter.
Probably Town: ChronX.
Middle of the Road: Mafia (slightly town), Incog, Xtoxm, Justin (slightly scum).
IGMEOY: Apyadg
FoS: North
But if you're lynched and come up mafia...?(2) It means that you should be careful to avoid tying yourself accidentally to Shteven. Let’s say I’m lynched and I come up town, D2 would include a thorough read of my interactions and, if you’re not careful here would tie you to Shteven at a point when his behavior is being seriously questioned by me. If your attacks are weak here, they could be identified as very scummy.
Don't know what WIFOM means.WIFOM already? You’re a better player than that, ChronX.
No, I strongly disagree. That's rubbish. Apart from the fact that I voted for mafia long before Shteven replaced northjay, and our suspicions were made independantly, agreement is required for a lynch to take place, so I don't see how you can use that as an argument against me.Not going to repeat accusations against North/Shteven here. They are all clearly posted in the thread. But making weak attacks against me right around the time I am attacking Shteven, he is cheerleading you, and both you and he are suspecting SSK could make the two of you seem like scumbuddies. It's the sort of thing players look back for later in the game.
I was not "setting up the noob play", I was responding to Ythill, and excusing myself for the inevitable meta on my newbie game.Post 12- Xtoxm sets up the n00b play for himself, as well.
I was not "jumping on the bandwagon", I think my suspicions for mafia were made clear by that point, and I had seperate reasoning for voting him. My vote still stands and I am happy with it.And in Post 43- Xtoxm jumps on with the L-2 vote.
No, I want to lynch mafiaSSK today. This will have no effect on what Ythill said. Ok so he could be vig and be wrong. But if he kills you at night and you are mafia we know he is telling the truthIncognito wrote:Xtoxm, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you suggesting that I should be the person lynched today to have my alignment revealed by the mod? And that if my alignment is revealed as town, that automatically proves that Ythill is lying about his role and that he should be lynched on Day 2? Have you considered that maybe Ythill isn't lying while at the same time I'm aligned on the side of the town?Xtoxm wrote:I'd be happy to go along with that...if you die and your mafia, then Ythill is twlling the truth, if your town, we can lynch Ythill.
He has already proved that he's had this planned since page 1Okay, Ythill. First, the claim is too early. It almost looks like you were planning it all along and just couldn’t keep from pulling the trigger any longer. Three votes? I don’t consider it a certain scum tell, but it seems either the result of panic or pre-planning.
Having thought about it, it sounds like a townie itching to put his plan into action, and I don't think this is the kind of thing a mafia would try to pull offIncognito wrote:Xtoxm, why do you think Ythill's claim only makes sense as Ythill-town?Xtoxm wrote:I don't see how Ythill gets any personal gain form this claim. Personally I think it's very convincing. I'll be surprised if he's scum now.
Well, I definitly don't want to lynch him today, he could still confirm town.kuribo wrote:That's my whole point, Xtoxm, there's any number of things he could say tomorrow if he's mafia and he still lives.Xtoxm wrote:And because if he is mafia we will be able to know by tomorrow if his plan doesn't work, so claiming it as mafia would have been stupid
IE, a Doc must have protected him. The only way to dispute it would be for the doc to roleclaim, which would be just as bad.
My gut tells me he's lying, but it also says Disciple Slayer is scummier and we can sort Ythill on Day 2.
....You not been listening to a thing i've been saying?kuribo wrote:Don't be a sheep, use your own opinion.Xtoxm wrote:If DS is the way votes are going I'll be happy to swap my vote.
It's scummy to say "I'll change my vote if the rest of you want me to."
I didn't ask permission, it was a statementkuribo wrote:And what I'm saying is that it's scummy to ask permission to put a vote somewhere. It's scummy because if they come up town, you've already created an explanation.Xtoxm wrote:
Quite a while back I said I would be happy to vote for either SSK or DS. Go look back.
Just vote if you're going to vote.
Or perhaps he's just genuinly worried about that possibility?kuribo wrote:That's just it, your actions DON'T make it clear that you're not eager for night.Ythill wrote:
I think I've made it clear that I'm not eager for night. Rather, I want to gather as much information as I can before it happens. Hence my question which, by the way, serves the dual purpose of helping me decide as well as prompting everyone (including scum) to post more of their opinions for consideration in the hunt.
It has been noted that you haven't answered. And that you are directing ridiculous attacks at me though my alignment is almost certain to be revealed in the near future. What are you trying to accomplish here?
Finally, I find it highly unbelievable that any townie would have a problem with speculation about scum power-roles.
Of course I haven't told you who I want you to NK, nor am I going to. Fishing for a "safe" NK is just ASKING for trouble--- as I've pointed out, any number of things can go wrong, and you could simply say "well, you guys told me to."
Yes, I have a problem with speculation about scum power-roles, when we have no evidence yet that it may be the case. It seems like you're trying to set up the possibility of a role-blocker or what-have-you in order to give yourself a ready-made alibi tonight.
Or perhaps you have special knowledge of the setup?
[qoute]Apyadg, MafiaSSK, charter, and Ho1den have been prodded.[/quote]Ythill wrote:Or you've posted a false dichotomy. And a lame one at that. It's pretty obvious IQ boy isn't playing the VI and what, pray tell, would be the purpose of scum admitting intentional tell-dropping in response to someone putting him on the "nice" list? You're like a kid throwing a tantrum kuribo: long on aggression, short on sense. I think someone needs a time-out.
Thing is, I feel like kuribo believes he is scumhunting. This is just more shenanigans.
Mod: did we get prods on charter and Apyadg?
All of those but DS were prodded very recently. Only SSK posted since, so charter, holden, and apyadg need replacing.Shteven wrote:The below need to be prodded.
4. MafiaSSK
5. charter
6. Ho1den
10. Disciple Slayer
12. Apyadg
Only 6 players made posts on page 14. Probably because of a lot of back and forth, but when you're trying to get answers mainly on people who aren't here, it's hard to move forward. Getting less certain about charter/ho1den as well, if they're willing to lurk. If mafiaSSK doesn't post much soon I'd probably just replace him in spite of his last post, also. Mod's decision final, of course.
The one in my previous post.Tell me, Xtoxm, which part did I fakequote?
