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[Hu Tao]

Hi.

[Hu Tao]

@mod you claim this is a normal simple but multitasking is not a simple role modifier. Are all other mechanics in the game simple?

Why not ask this during role pm phase? Seems fake

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

why are you scum

Fortunately my role pm was green, but maybe that's unfortunate for you?

[Hu Tao]

Yes! I love it! Thank you

Alice in borderland is one of my favourite shows
On a more relevant note, the only person yet to post is ssbm_Kyouko.

Ooo. I read the Manga. I like it.

[Hu Tao]

-SNIP-

Hu Tao and Jacob may have had votes but they were far from the points of discussion at that time. All eyes were on bugspray. The lines of thinking and discussion at that time would've continued much the same as they did without Jacob's presence. The theory you've described here is patchwork at best.

My mind went off track when I said your bugspray townlean made no sense, disregard that.

The additional shade thrown at Hu Tao here also ruffles me, what's your read there?

Err. I think it's not shade. They were just giving an example

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Ketchup777

I can elaborate but just look at the ISO and tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong

[Hu Tao]

In fact I'd say ketchup is the only person I'm town leaning on so far

[Hu Tao]

Sure, that's fair

I'm looking forward to hearing your scumcase on bug. Your confidence is a little jarring but that might be because I'm rarely confident in my reads, especially early

I'm always very confident in my read on certain players, and Bugs is one of them. I know Bugs is scum, and Bugs knows I know they're scum, and I can understand their frustration as I always catch them out very early in the game.

So you have extensive meta with bug? Can you post a game you've caught them before this early?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: bugs

I'm all here for it

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: bugs

I'm all here for it

why are you still scum
Honestly, I’m so bad at mafia it’s actually normal to be insulted, it’s never gone well for the opposing player regardless of their alignment. I can’t say the same for you, I can tell you you think highly of yourself, and it probably irks you that I caught you this early.

You sound like you're reciting a play.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: bugs

I'm all here for it

Did the meta I provided convince you, or my analysis of Bugs in 145, or something else?

Meta and your confidence. I don't think scum does that this early

[Hu Tao]

I'd agree that you're not your usual townie self, Black. But I suppose that could change in due time

[Hu Tao]

Sorry you replaced into scum again, Dann. I was looking forward to playing with you again.

[Hu Tao]

i did not

i actually read the game first this time and made sure i was replacing into what i thought was more likely to be a town slot before i replaced in

You said pretty much this exact thing when you replaced me as scum in Open 888

for the record i would not have requested replacement into this game if i didn't think black was town here

Yeah I think Dann is just scum here

Yep. Bug/Dann is scum slot. Let's keep voting

[Hu Tao]

2 more votes. All we need for a day 1 scum elim

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I'm delaying the inevitable, but if Dann flips town then at least I know I wasn't part of it.

scum post

Disagree. Feels like honest town

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I'm delaying the inevitable, but if Dann flips town then at least I know I wasn't part of it.

I don't think scum ever says this out loud

Agreed bestie

[Hu Tao]

TLDR:

Super sus: ProjectRy, Doctor Drew
Slightly sus: Psyche, OutWorldEr, Hu Tao
Slightly townie: Dannflor, Jacob24, DeltaWave
Very townie: Black, Luca Blight, me
no idea: Gypyx, iavh

there you go lots of juicy content for ya.

My list (for those who care):
Super sus: ketchup, Dannflor
Slightly sus: iavh, ProjectRy, OutWorldEr, DeltaWave
Slightly townie: Black, Gypyx, Psyche
Very townie: Jacob24, Hu Tao, Drew, Luca

Why am I very townie?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: ProjEctRy

Stay the course of Dann. He's scum

[Hu Tao]

Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations, but bug was scummy from their first post. Also with the meta involved.

[Hu Tao]

Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations,

but bug was scummy from their first post

. Also with the meta involved.

I'm having a hard time believing you actually believe this. What is so scummy about bug's posts outside of Luca's meta case?

@mod you claim this is a normal simple but multitasking is not a simple role modifier. Are all other mechanics in the game simple?

Why not ask this during role pm phase? Seems fake

First post was scripted scum

[Hu Tao]

I don't think I've been sus enough to merit three people targeting me, an innocent townie

Every time you say something like this I dock like 1/4 of a townpoint from you. If you are town then you gotta stop

Tbh that post just makes me Town read him more

[Hu Tao]

Luca is my biggest townread, followed by ketchup I think.

[Hu Tao]

Luca is my biggest townread, followed by ketchup I think.

Luca ya, but what why catsup?

Seems naturally town

[Hu Tao]

for being based?

Who do you sr?

[Hu Tao]

E-2

[Hu Tao]

Quick. Someone hammer

[Hu Tao]

i think it's Luca / Hu Tao / Black

no cares and this just serves to get street cred points post game as a "aha i knew it"

Girl please

[Hu Tao]

iamveryhappy has died! They were a

Vanilla Townie.

DeltaWave has died! She was a

Vanilla Townie.

Day Two begins now.

holy crap
I did not see either of these coming

I thought the dead would be one of me, black, hu tao or luca.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is the only way for a second person to die a vigilante?

Tbh I thought Luca would die. but I guess their meta was wrong so maybe that's why scum kept them alive. Still think they are town.

[Hu Tao]

I vigged Happy.

Delta as the scum kill seems weird to me though.

Fair shot tbh

[Hu Tao]

I'm surprised by delta being killed too. I'll look into this in a moment.

[Hu Tao]

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy, Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

[Hu Tao]

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy, Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

We aren't looking for teams at the moment. We just need to find one scum to get things in the right direction. There is not a reason to look for more than 1 currently.

[Hu Tao]

Gypyx - Hmm
ProjEctRy - Sus
Luca Blight - Towny
Jacob24 - back and forth with this one. Unsure
ketchup777 - towny
Psyche - ???
Black - don't want today at the very least
Doctor Drew - town
OutWorldER - could be sus. Need to read more

This is where I am for now

[Hu Tao]

it kind of seems like you want to hurry up and kill me before i become a threat, black

Looking back this stands out to me.

oooooo, did i get the two of you to start bussing each other, just like that?

No you didnt. We have to be partners to buss each other.

well, i mean, one last thing before i go to bed, but that's some really strange wording i'm getting from you here, your concern isn't you being accused of being scum, or even me making a pretty outlandish accusation based on pretty much nothing (for now), it's the fact that i'm calling you two partners, in fact, what you're saying would still be if you were indeed scum

i think you hold guilt in your heart project, a townie would be more affirmative about their innocence

This seems like a town post. Unsure why there are votes on her at the moment

[Hu Tao]

Maybe we should vote off the wagon. Because scum shot on the wagon which was weird, especially since it was someone not many tr. Might mean they are comfortable with us voting in it.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: projecty

[Hu Tao]

actually final thing before bed let's have an ISO count (accurate for the first 928 posts):

me: 113
Black : 100
Luca: 99
Gypyx: 92 (replaced in, first post was #294)
Drew: 51
Psyche: 48
OutWorldEr: 47
Hu Tao: 33
Jacob : 33
Project: 31

obviously looking at Delta and iavh, low posting is not necessarily mafia. but just gonna put this out there for future reference. (I swear I'm not trying to make myself look good I am aware I post too much please focus on the data as a whole and contemplate)

I appreciate I’ve been accused of it myself, but for Gypyx being the 4th highest poster, a significant amount of her day-1 content was filler.

I think her day-1 stands in contrast to her day-2 opening. We’ve just lost three townies and it feels like she’s pushing hard to keep the momentum going. Although I’m conscious I could be mis-interpreting this because I’m on the end of it.

But I also don’t like her 583, walking away from the argument with Dann. Could read like she feels she’s overstepping and drawing too much attention so backs down.

VOTE: Gypyx

Going to place my vote here for now. I’ll pick back up tomorrow and review further.

I don't like this post at all. They seem to be going at Gypyx for a poor reason.

[Hu Tao]

Black what's your read on the delta kill?

[Hu Tao]

Drew pls. Anyone else you scumread?

[Hu Tao]

Yes. I think he's pretty town since day 1.

[Hu Tao]

I'll catch up in a bit sorry

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup's play is looking bad but i'm willing to let it slide cause of their tone for no

Hu Tao, you and me, let's kill the scumteam

Okay lets

[Hu Tao]

Sorry if I'm wrong, as you've been nothing but friendly to me / townreading me so far. But there's my case. let's see your fight

I respect the effort. And you're probably town still. Who do you think would be my partner then?

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup, say I was revealed as town. How would that change your reads?

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup, say I was revealed as town. How would that change your reads?

I‘d still think OutWorld and Jacob likely scum, maybe one of Project/Black/Gypyx thrown in for funsies.

I 95+% townread:

Me (it’s me), drew (vig), luca (analysis legend)

then the townleans

Black
Gypyx
Project
Psyche

And then you three (Hu Tao/Jacob/OutWorldEr). I would be very surprised if at least 2 of you 3 are not scum.

did you mean to say "when I‘m revealed as town?“

No, it was a question to see if you townreading me changed your reads at all. I agree that OWR could be scum here. I'm unsure on jacob

[Hu Tao]

I actually think Jacob is an okay vote if I think about it. Out of those that were on the wagon, this is the best vote.

VOTE: Jacob

Based on what you said, you'd be willing to vote here right?

[Hu Tao]

Regarding 1113, I think I've finally seen enough to hang my hat on Ketchup being town, which is a relief. I do think Hu Tao's implicit and unwavering sheeping of my push on Bugs/Dann was a bit strange, which is why I posed the question in 172, but I've been side-tracked by other players I've found overtly scummier to really put too much attention her way. I have a tendency to almost write such cocky play off as more likely town until later in the game, but I do think Ketchup makes a lot of good points in the first part of his post.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Hu Tao

I should say that I townread your conviction, and still do. I don't think scum would do that to start a game

[Hu Tao]

I've also done something similar to that as town and been wrong so I understand

[Hu Tao]

I still think gypyx is town too

[Hu Tao]

I actually think Jacob is an okay vote if I think about it. Out of those that were on the wagon, this is the best vote.

VOTE: Jacob

Based on what you said, you'd be willing to vote here right?

I am fully willing to vote Jacob here, but I don’t know which of you i want to vote off more, and unfortunately voting for Jacob dilutes the wagons at the moment

Dilutes? There is like 6 days left I think you gyp and Luca are town. So I don't think the wagon itself is bad but just misdirected

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, while you’re here, can you explain 943?

Sure. So the way I see it, usually scum is on the wagon. So most of the time I want to vote on the wagon after day 1. So I started to look into the wagon

Dannflor (7): Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx HAMMER

Hu Tao: I'm Hu Taown (from my point of view of course)

Jacob: has been kinda sus so it's a maybe

Doctor drew: he's confirmed town

Luca Blight : He's been town since day 1. I don't think as scum he would lead on a meta read on someone so strongly so I think he's just town here

Delta Wave: killed be scum, which is a bit suspicious. Usually scum kill off the wagon u less they thought he was PR but I don't see anything that shows any sorts, and to be honest he wasn't that towny at all either so it's a weird kill overall. This is where I am starting to think that scum might be majority off the wagon if they wanted to kill this slot here.

Ketchup: I think you're town based on your posts day 1 and your approach. You seem very genuine and I think I explained that day 1. I don't think your scumread on me is faked and I can see why you would think that way, even if it is wrong.

Gypyx: At first I was a bit on the fence when it came to her, but I saw some posts that I really liked so I think that she could actually be town here too.


So here I am with only 1 person that's on the wagon that I think is even remotely suspicious. And it's possible that even all 3 scum could be off the wagon.

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy, Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

This post also was a bit suspicious to me, especially when I started to think internally that scum could be off the wagon, they bring up more than 1 being on the wagon. It also felt like they were trying to set up multiple votes by that. It's also why I voted them.

This is why I'm starting to think 2 or POSSIBLY 3 scum were off the wagon. Thoughts on this?

Your thoughts too gypyx since you're here

[Hu Tao]

i'm the original scum majority off wagon poster so you just know i said to myself "heck yeah" when reading this, or like, "Mais oui totalement" since i'm french

the Delta kill just never happens with a scum majority on the wagon, even if scum thought they *potentially* faced a PR here, better to let dayplay do it's thing rather than shrink the pool in which they actually are able to hide

i'd be cool with doing Black / Titus / Psyche today

So if you're original premise is this, why vote me here?

[Hu Tao]

Your*

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: psyche

Let me lead the charge I guess lol

VOTE: psyche

I'm fine with going back to this

[Hu Tao]

pushing for more apathy also isn't a great look ketchup

I want excitement as much as you do don’t get me wrong. But am conscious I maybe was too hasty on dann in part due to wanting some fun action. But I might need to go slower and go on evidence not drama. Although I like the stuff I found on hu Tao so am happy to stay like this (:

Why did you ignore my long post when you asked for me to explain

[Hu Tao]

Nvm you replied

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, while you’re here, can you explain 943?

Sure. So the way I see it, usually scum is on the wagon. So most of the time I want to vote on the wagon after day 1. So I started to look into the wagon

Dannflor (7): Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx HAMMER

So here I am with only 1 person that's on the wagon that I think is even remotely suspicious. And it's possible that even all 3 scum could be off the wagon.

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy, Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

This post also was a bit suspicious to me, especially when I started to think internally that scum could be off the wagon, they bring up more than 1 being on the wagon. It also felt like they were trying to set up multiple votes by that. It's also why I voted them.

This is why I'm starting to think 2 or POSSIBLY 3 scum were off the wagon. Thoughts on this?

Hmm. I need to delve into Dann‘s wagon more, maybe. This seems like an impressive post but also the Dann wagon was beginning to crumble at one point (after Psyche unvoted to take Dann down to e-4). You seemed to be very eager to get this wagon back on track.

Will think about this properly tomorrow

Sorry for being wrong? Not sure what you want me to say

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, while you’re here, can you explain 943?

Sure. So the way I see it, usually scum is on the wagon. So most of the time I want to vote on the wagon after day 1. So I started to look into the wagon

Dannflor (7): Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx HAMMER

So here I am with only 1 person that's on the wagon that I think is even remotely suspicious. And it's possible that even all 3 scum could be off the wagon.

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy, Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

This post also was a bit suspicious to me, especially when I started to think internally that scum could be off the wagon, they bring up more than 1 being on the wagon. It also felt like they were trying to set up multiple votes by that. It's also why I voted them.

This is why I'm starting to think 2 or POSSIBLY 3 scum were off the wagon. Thoughts on this?

Hmm. I need to delve into Dann‘s wagon more, maybe. This seems like an impressive post but also the Dann wagon was beginning to crumble at one point (after Psyche unvoted to take Dann down to e-4). You seemed to be very eager to get this wagon back on track.

Will think about this properly tomorrow

Also look at this game.

viewtopic.php?t=92097

Similar to here Dann replaced in for a scummy spot. He was looking pretty towny but still got voted out and was scum. So I assumed the same thing could be happening here.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: psyche

Let me lead the charge I guess lol

VOTE: psyche

I'm fine with going back to this

Wait I got psyche and project mixed up

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Gypyx

Nope. Who do you think is scummiest off the first day wagon?

[Hu Tao]

@mod you claim this is a normal simple but multitasking is not a simple role modifier. Are all other mechanics in the game simple?

Why not ask this during role pm phase? Seems fake

this struck as town bc it was so derivative in an unforced way

Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations,

but bug was scummy from their first post

. Also with the meta involved.

I'm having a hard time believing you actually believe this. What is so scummy about bug's posts outside of Luca's meta case?

Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations, but bug was scummy from their first post. Also with the meta involved.

even after being pressed to explain the bug read further, hu never really expanded on basis for voting this slot beyond that one post.

not much else. will have to look at other people's posts to see why people are voting this.

hmm good parts of ketchup's case are just a different interpretation of this stuff
black's vote is naked
oof i bet luca's got a whole wall post about this nope it's the same thing
i mean, i guess i see it. it doesn't look like hu tao was ever very reflective over the course of the push, and was otherwise evasive of straightforward qs about it even while prosecuting the wagon. still painful to be this far w/o something more though

Thoughts on owr?

[Hu Tao]

@Anyone interested in the Hu Tao wagon

do you think scum!Hu Tao ever kills Deltawave this night when it would feel pretty natural for town to aim on the wagon, and with Delta being dead, Hu Tao would basically be the next in PoE of the Dann pushers? Luca isn't a realistic lim to aim for given his generally high towncred

I really think we can solve her day 3 but for now i'd like a little more time please

Objectively I would have not but I guess self meta amirite

[Hu Tao]

Black jv +1

Black jv Ketchup

take it or leave it

Your reads are just all over the place

[Hu Tao]

I actually think Jacob is an okay vote if I think about it. Out of those that were on the wagon, this is the best vote.

VOTE: Jacob

Based on what you said, you'd be willing to vote here right?

i'm the original scum majority off wagon poster so you just know i said to myself "heck yeah" when reading this, or like, "Mais oui totalement" since i'm french

the Delta kill just never happens with a scum majority on the wagon, even if scum thought they *potentially* faced a PR here, better to let dayplay do it's thing rather than shrink the pool in which they actually are able to hide

i'd be cool with doing Black / Titus / Psyche today

So if you're original premise is this, why vote me here?

Hu Tao feels desperate to get votes off of her here. The Jacob vote feels a little forced as if Hu looked to see what wagon could get more support than hers and voted accordingly. At this point Jacob is just non-existent and probably site flaking

I don't think there is much solving coming from Hu and that's concerning. She spent the majority of D1 on Dann and tried to keep others on him when they considered moving elsewhere. So far D2 she's just defending herself. I think she could be scum

If you don't think I've been solving then you haven't been reading

[Hu Tao]

Ok I'm caught up. This is probably where I'm at rn. I could vote for any of the bottom 4

Drew

Luca
Jackson
ketchup
OWER

Gypyx
Psyche

Titus
Hu Tao

You think I'm scum with my scumread?

[Hu Tao]

Does anyone except Black town read OWR and why?

[Hu Tao]

If you don't think I've been solving then you haven't been reading

I'm used to you giving more reads. Random spicy takes. You seem hesitant to really suspect anyone here

you think I'm scum with my scumread?

Why would you scumreading someone make me think you can't be partnered? You've bussed your teammates several times before so I'm not sure why you're pretending like you haven't

I didn't make my list with pairs in mind, your slots are just the scummiest to me. I think it could make sense as a team now that I'm putting more thought into it. I remember you telling me to "stay the course" on Dann when I switched to Project D1. And then there's your voting patterns today. You switched from Project to Jacob for what seems like survival reasons and then you said you were fine going back to Psyche. Titus is a scumread you're not willing to vote for which seems like a pretty convenient stance to take imo

That first part is literally not true. I've given a reads list with people I think are suspect

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: titus

[Hu Tao]

We go off the wagon here. And I think we find scum. This is objectively the worst slot I think

[Hu Tao]

I am liking my company on the Hu Tao wagon a lot more than the Titus wagon

Too bad. You're wrong on me so you need to reconsider

[Hu Tao]

Spoiler: quote

i'm not putting too much stock in the DeltaWave NKA cuz it could've happened for a million different reasons,

from someone thinking her reads were a genuine threat to them

all the way to scum thinking she was a pr for whatever reason

Ok so looking at Delta's ISO:

VOTE: Ketchup777

I can elaborate but just look at the ISO and tell me I'm wrong.

started off by accusing me

Initial thoughts -

Hu Tao - I get a town vibe from these posts.

Gypyx - I'm not sure yet.

ProjEctRy - A lot of filler. Neutral leaning sus.

Dannflor - 228 is so, so, so bad. Criticism of Drew seems forced. 277 is the kind of OMGUS I don't like. Drew being defensive as cited in 315 is not a scumtell at all. Everyone wants to stay alive no matter the wincon.

bugspray - The infamous multitasker poster. Let's face it, it was a stupid post, but was it scummy? A town PR would never out themselves like that. I could see a whacked out VT doing that, though.

Luca Blight - I don't really like the whole "I found the scumteam on post 24" stuff but this seems like it's coming from overexcited town than scum. It's just too much attention to draw on page 2. It's a bold move for scum to pick fights and make enemies that early in the game. OTOH, the reads are based on thin logic. But then again, that's what town does. Will say null town. Points deducted for not recognizing my meme. The confidence in 130, presuming it's Luca!Scum and they're trying to get a miselim on BG, seems unlikely. With BG almost being limmed I wouldn't expect scum to take such a strong position because it would get them trouble later after the flip.

Jacob24 - I can't tell you exactly why, but Post 88 didn't rub me the right way. Overall a sideliner.

iamveryhappy - I get the impression that they are staying close to the sidelines despite participating in the discussion. I think this is scummy.

ketchup777 - Newbie town probably.

Psyche - Overall I like the posts.

DeltaWave - Obvscum

Black - Not sure at this time.

Doctor Drew - Seems to ask a lot of questions without providing a lot of opinions. Not really liking that.

OutWorldER - Shading bugspray for the multitasker post isn't entirely unjustified but the reasoning on #85 seems like there's a hard attempt to justify that vote. The same thing kind of goes for #94.

VOTE: Daan

then after unvoting me, Delta sussed Project, Jacob, OutWorldEr, Drew, Dann and iavh. a lot of susses, the last 3 of which now seem/are innocent. I agree we don't want to run mind games but in case we decide to look deeper, these seem to be Delta's enemies.

Dann/OutWorld/someone else mkes sense to me. Maybe iavh

only you, OutWorldEr, remain in Delta's trio read. Convenient you try to get us not to worry too much about the reasoning for Delta's death?

I assumed because of the post I snipped, which specifically called me out as the one remaining person in Delta's solve who hadn't flipped. I thought you were implying that I had killed Delta out of fear for her read on me, to which I countered that were I to be scum, then I'd have two other partners who would also have to OK that fear-kill, on a player who had a fair share of scumreads going into D2.

Ok sure I'll give you benefit of the doubt for now. But I never said that you were the one to suggest the idea of killing Delta. It seems like you misread what I said where a town might see the ambiguity and consider both possible cases (Outworld the suggester vs Outworld the oohilikethisideasureletsdoiter).

This is how I imagine it went down in the scum PT.

Hu Tao: hey guys do you know what would be fun
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: killing Delta
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao:
Hu Tao: Delta also kinda suspects you OutWorld so let's do some double bluff stuff and I can raise a point about scum tending to shoot off the wagon so we should look off the wagon, etc... this will throw them into chaos! make them doubt everything they've ever known! If we're lucky we hit Delta being a power role as well, and they won't be protected.
OutWorld: eh sure I would never have thought of this. Crazy, but it could work
-----
*prod*
Jacob: sorry I've been really busy right now. I'll let you guys handle this.
Hu Tao: perfect, agreed I'll make the kill as the least sus is on me right now? no need to use juggernaut yet {if one of them is jug idk)
OutWorld: ok. this'll be fun!
Jacob: ---

Holy fan fiction

[Hu Tao]

Titus I agree is still the best vote

[Hu Tao]

Black jv +1

Black jv Ketchup

take it or leave it

Your reads are just all over the place

On this we agree.

I'm definitely inclined to eliminate either gypyx or Hu Tao today as things stand.

Just because her reads are all over the place doesn't mean I think she's scum. Also like just because your reads are bad doesn't mean I think you're scum.

[Hu Tao]

Spoiler:

If you don't think I've been solving then you haven't been reading

I'm used to you giving more reads. Random spicy takes. You seem hesitant to really suspect anyone here

you think I'm scum with my scumread?

Why would you scumreading someone make me think you can't be partnered? You've bussed your teammates several times before so I'm not sure why you're pretending like you haven't

I didn't make my list with pairs in mind, your slots are just the scummiest to me. I think it could make sense as a team now that I'm putting more thought into it. I remember you telling me to "stay the course" on Dann when I switched to Project D1. And then there's your voting patterns today. You switched from Project to Jacob for what seems like survival reasons and then you said you were fine going back to Psyche. Titus is a scumread you're not willing to vote for which seems like a pretty convenient stance to take imo

I like this as well. Nice observation at the end.

No it's not. It was literally cleared up the next post. Are you actually scum or not reading

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: psyche

Let me lead the charge I guess lol

VOTE: psyche

I'm fine with going back to this

VOTE: psyche

Let me lead the charge I guess lol

VOTE: psyche

I'm fine with going back to this

Wait I got psyche and project mixed up

UNVOTE:

I mixed up project and psyche. So I was clearly willing to vote Titus. I just mixed up the names

[Hu Tao]

Spoiler:

VOTE: psyche

Let me lead the charge I guess lol

VOTE: psyche

I'm fine with going back to this

VOTE: psyche

Let me lead the charge I guess lol

VOTE: psyche

I'm fine with going back to this

Wait I got psyche and project mixed up

UNVOTE:

I mixed up project and psyche. So I was clearly willing to vote Titus. I just mixed up the names

I was referring more to the point about your D1 play - staying the course on Bugs/Dann instead of voting Project.

The posts you quoted above do very little to sway me from thinking you could be scum with Titus. Right now I'm actually not necessarily thinking this is the case anyway - my main point was I liked Black's observation and I think she is probably town.

?? Did I scumread project day 1

[Hu Tao]

Umm. I think I could have been wrong on Luca. Cause he's outing stuff that makes literally 0 sense. This is upsetting.

[Hu Tao]

I get it now. I still think bug was sus, so I have no regret in that. Unfortunately I was wrong but that's mafia

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

No, I am not scum. I would never play that way as scum day 1

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Titus

can you do some actual analysis rather than just coasting because you’re vig and maybe voting out innocents

Says the person making fan fiction tunnels on town

[Hu Tao]

Gypyx just vote Titus. Even if she flips town or scum people are going to want me tomorrow anyway

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Titus

can you do some actual analysis rather than just coasting because you’re vig and maybe voting out innocents

Says the person making fan fiction tunnels on town

hehehe
more available on request

Just give me 1 more day to prove I'm town. Vote titus

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Titus

can you do some actual analysis rather than just coasting because you’re vig and maybe voting out innocents

Says the person making fan fiction tunnels on town

hehehe
more available on request

Just give me 1 more day to prove I'm town. Vote titus

Why one more day?

Because I want a flip to be able to better solve the game. I feel this game is solvable

[Hu Tao]

Yes I do. But I'm hoping things can get narrowed down a bit. Especially with potential results from PRs.

[Hu Tao]

Someone hammer titus

[Hu Tao]

Odd night jailkeep. I'll keep my n1 target mysterious until claims to potentially catch a lie

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Gypyx

Why would you vote. Scum can blitz with 2 town votes

[Hu Tao]

Unvote please

[Hu Tao]

We wait for luca

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Gypyx

Why would you vote. Scum can blitz with 2 town votes

how does hu tao know that there are three scum

Clearly I'm one of the 3 scum

[Hu Tao]

Voting right now is pretty much a scum claim btw

[Hu Tao]

Jackson can you unvote pretty please

[Hu Tao]

Why would I claim my block result when I can catch one of the pr claims in a lie

[Hu Tao]

Either way. We wait for Luca

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup you're so precious. Never change

[Hu Tao]

I'm just going to keep waiting for luca

[Hu Tao]

Only scum wants to rush today

[Hu Tao]

I'd ask for no one else to vote please

[Hu Tao]

While you're here, claim yours too

fine

N1 targeted iavh, drew unfortunately shot them

N2 targeted ketchup, confirmed he is a VT.

Can I ask why ketchup was your n2 check?

[Hu Tao]

I'm hard town reading gypyx here. Just saying

[Hu Tao]

I'm hard town reading gypyx here. Just saying

Can we get your jailkeep? Or when can we?

It doesn't come into play. So doesn't matter

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup who do you think is scum here

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup who do you think is scum here

Not me, you, OutWorld (I've done a 180 I guess)

One or two of Jackson/Psyche/Gypyx

One or two of Luca/Black

That's a fair assessment

[Hu Tao]

LITTERALLY IF ANYONE MANAGES TO MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF 1-SHOT WATCHER BEING A CONSISTENT ROLE I *WILL* SELF VOTE

How can someone scumread this?

[Hu Tao]

Votecount 3.6

Votecount 3.6

Gypyx (3):

Psyche, JacksonVirgo, Black

E-2

Psyche (1):

Gypyx

Not Voting (4):

Hu Tao, Luca Blight, OutWorldER, ketchup777

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution, and 4 to secure a no execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-19 03:52:11)

Mod Notes

None

By the way this means 2 or more of psyche Jackson and black are confirmed scum

[Hu Tao]

The way I see it. 1 shot watcher isn't strong enough for it to just be: odd night Vigilante, odd night jailkeeper, 1 shot watcher against scum.

My last game scum had: 2 shot Vig, Cop, Jailkeeper against 3 goons and that was balanced.

So this game has to be the OWER role as town I think to be balanced. Because scum prob have at least 1 scum pr

[Hu Tao]

Yes but I think you're town

[Hu Tao]

Doesn't really matter

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, who did you block

I'm clearly not scum so why does this matter?

[Hu Tao]

Gypyx do you have a completed scum game?

[Hu Tao]

Can you send 1

[Hu Tao]

scumCELS seething over hangmanCHADS

right look at this guys

Jackson chose LOVE as his hangman word. As he was the one suggested hangman, it’s possible he was ready for this for a while. Because what is LOVE an anagram of? ElO V!! Jackson’s practically gloating about us being in a 5 player ELO because he’s worked so hard for this!!

This actually makes sense

[Hu Tao]

Can you send 1

viewtopic.php?t=89068

this is the most recent one, although i have no memory of playing that one lol

the peak of my scumgame was probably tenet tho if that's maybe something you'd be more interested into

viewtopic.php?t=85288

Can you explain why last game you kinda just gave up as town and this game you're more vocal and upset?

[Hu Tao]

scumCELS seething over hangmanCHADS

right look at this guys

Jackson chose LOVE as his hangman word. As he was the one suggested hangman, it’s possible he was ready for this for a while. Because what is LOVE an anagram of? ElO V!! Jackson’s practically gloating about us being in a 5 player ELO because he’s worked so hard for this!!

I chose the word cuz my girlfriend was behind me and I wanted to be cute

no way would you have spent so much time on here if your girlfriend was around.

the hangman will be your downfall my friend

LMFAO

[Hu Tao]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

[Hu Tao]

I miss Drew, drew come back

Why? Drew barely did anything beyond manslaughtering 3 innocents in a short space of time. Do you miss him because he was helpful to you and your scum team?

LMFAOO Ketchup you're hilarious

[Hu Tao]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

Let's wait for Outworld to give his thoughts at least.

i mean, i'm not sure I have much insight.

i've scumread Gypyx essentially since she hammered Dann and that hasn't really changed especially with how D2 ended up playing out. The only hiccups I have was being unsure Psyche's claim could exist with all other PR's being real and just not really liking the timing of Psyche's claim. But the former I'm leaning towards being able to exist in the setup and the latter can be explained away by how the massclaim ended up working out.

So all in all I guess I just want to vote Gypyx but I'm scared of being wrong.

I'm pretty much conf town. Ketchup is pretty obvious town. If we both vote Psyche then Psyche is pretty conf scum. Cause otherwise other 3 scum could just vote psyche

[Hu Tao]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

Let's wait for Outworld to give his thoughts at least.

i mean, i'm not sure I have much insight.

i've scumread Gypyx essentially since she hammered Dann and that hasn't really changed especially with how D2 ended up playing out. The only hiccups I have was being unsure Psyche's claim could exist with all other PR's being real and just not really liking the timing of Psyche's claim. But the former I'm leaning towards being able to exist in the setup and the latter can be explained away by how the massclaim ended up working out.

So all in all I guess I just want to vote Gypyx but I'm scared of being wrong.

I'm pretty much conf town. Ketchup is pretty obvious town. If we both vote Psyche then Psyche is pretty conf scum. Cause otherwise other 3 scum could just vote psyche

Yes, but the vote is too risky rn probably as it doesn’t work so well if scum DO hammer

Well if you don't vote sooner rather than later OWER will vote wrong and we lose anyway

[Hu Tao]

do we agree that scum lies in Me / psyche / jackson / black at least

if anyone (not jackson) disagrees with this statement please come fowards

I haven't fully ruled out Luca unfortunately, but your four is the likeliest pool yes

I agree

[Hu Tao]

okay real talk I'm very skeptical of masons claim actually

because that'd be way too many confirmable towns in one go.

like D2, Drew vigs somebody, I get a VT result, and Masons reveal, that's 5 confirmed towns on D2. town should just win in that scenario unless scum has uber-power/gets a lucky shot

ya'll better not be neighborizer/neighbor pulling a gambit

Even if the highly unlikely mason claim is legit, this makes psyche even less town.

[Hu Tao]

And why would you believe the 1 shot watcher if you're masons? Even if you think I'm scum then that means you think masons, odd night vig, neap, 1 shot watcher is balanced?

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

Holy fuck you're desperate lmfao

? If I'm scum then scum still can't win with a ketchup vote

[Hu Tao]

Scum wants to win today because of my jail keep. I can block scum and give us an extra Elim. Which pretty much guarantees victory.

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

Ok thinking.

It's at least one of Gypyx/Psyche

If is Jackson, is Luca and vice versa.

Possible teams:

Psyche/Jackson/Luca
Gypyx/Jackson/Luca but the emotions generated between Gyp and Jackson felt real so I think they're not both scum.
Psyche/Gypyx/? (Outworld,Hu Tao or Black)
Psyche/OutWorld/Hu Tao, OW and Hu Tao using their claims to corroborate each other
Gypyx/Outworld/Hu Tao
Psyche+ a different 2 of Hu Tao, Black, OW
Gypyx+ a different 2 of Hu Tao, Black OW
but for the last 2, Hu Tao and Outworld's claims fit well together

Can any of these be ruled out?

Me and OWER can't be on a team with psyche or we both vote gypyx here

[Hu Tao]

Only way I'm scum is if I'm scum with gypyx and ower I think

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

I can't risk a team like Gypyx/Black/Outworld punishing my vote

If it's that then we already lost because of luca/jv and it won't matter. That's why you need to vote psyche to show them that psyche is scum

[Hu Tao]

actually would a no lim be a bad idea or what's the deal

Yes. My jailkeep is big

[Hu Tao]

What's ur thoughts on what Black is doing then

Fypov why can't it be psyche black and ower

[Hu Tao]

I guess we can think it over

[Hu Tao]

Possible scenarios:

a) Luca and Jackson are masons
b) Luca and Jackson are scum.

I guess they can't be apart actually

I fear Luca sprinkled in mason claims early as scum, prepared to use if necessary with one of his teammates.

he never crumbed who he was mason with

Yes, I did? I crumbed I was masons with Jacob. Read the post again.

Also, why would I make this move here as scum when I've been townbinned by most of the playerlist?

apologies, I understand, you did.

well, Hu Tao and I had just admitted we hadn't taken you off our radar yet...

Come on, Jackson, if you're a mason, this is huge. We have so much information, unvote. Or anyone else unvote.

I think Hu Tao had just agreed to a scum pool that didn't feature me in it at all, from what i remember.

Let's be honest, if I were scum, I'd have had a much easier path to victory than claiming masons that conflicts with other town roles already claimed, and with a player who is quite heavily scumread by you, a conftown.

The reason I asked gypyx to say why she townreads me so much before I claimed masons was to highlight this point - I didn't need to claim, I claimed because by not claiming it was obstructing the discussion due to on a limited view of the setup based on the roles claimed.

I did not agree to that

[Hu Tao]

Fypov why can't it be psyche black and ower

I'm confident in my reads, I've heavily scum-read them since I came in and it kept getting worse and I town-leaned psyche a lot of the game. Just based on my reads I don't think I'm ever wrong here, and thought that even before the red-check

If gypyx is scum here I'd be shocked. More than shocked. I don't think she'd say some of the things she's said as scum. Psyche has a convenient 1 shot watcher that doesn't match with any other roles presented that he happened to keep until day 2 that happened to be on the one people were scumreading yesterday

[Hu Tao]

@jackson / actually @everyone

ok so, let's go, i'm gonna entertain you being truthful for 1 minute, counting now

why the fuck would i be so agressive on you, especially since you think i'm scumbuddy with someone who's fakeclaiming neap, i KNOW there is more unclaimed town power and yet when i see a townie who very clearly is looking for something specific, i wonder what that is

psyche knows what is going on and as such can tailor his responses to best fit the situation

I don't think scum ever says this BTW.

[Hu Tao]

Sometimes you just need to go with tone rather than play. And I just don't see scum saying that.

[Hu Tao]

Don't fuckin' patronize me

i'm patronizing you as much i'm gonna need

Jackson do you really think gypyx would say this to you as scum

[Hu Tao]

Surely

[Hu Tao]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

[Hu Tao]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

Why can't you consider that gypyx might be scum?

I Town read her too much to.

[Hu Tao]

I get gypyx's energy seems townie, I thought so too, but psyche in my opinion has been townier without pushing agendas or manipulating anything.

He's really not been

[Hu Tao]

I get gypyx's energy seems townie, I thought so too, but psyche in my opinion has been townier without pushing agendas or manipulating anything.

He's really not been

Well, if you're town then please be open-minded, that's all I ask.

Says the masons pushing to eliminate gypyx asap

[Hu Tao]

I'm not gonna be around much this weekend and this game is moving at an extremely fast pace so I'm bound to get behind

Why are you voting gypyx

[Hu Tao]

I kinda agree. Just vote her luca of you're going to. I'm not changing my tr on gypyx.

[Hu Tao]

Jackson, Luca, one of you. What were the last things Jacob said in the mason thread before he replaced out?

On night start, he said that he was here and that it probably makes sense to look at Dann's reads since he's confirmed town. Then he was goneso and in I pop

If I were a mason who had already started building a rapport with my fellow mason, I don't think I'd leave without an apology or a goodbye

Yep

[Hu Tao]

Ower what are your reads?

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, who did you block

It doesn't matter. I'm pretty much conf town to you. Stop deflecting

[Hu Tao]

OK who am I scum with?

[Hu Tao]

Okay OWER you saw him say it yourself. In his eyes you're basically scum to him. What are your reads?

[Hu Tao]

Okay. Just know I'm never voting gypyx this game

[Hu Tao]

For me and ower to be scum together it would need to be masons with 1 shot watcher and an odd night vig? Not balanced imo

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup what are the odds to you that I'm scum

[Hu Tao]

Basically this game is not going forward until ketchup votes psyche or black/ower do something

[Hu Tao]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

How would anyone know I'm a VT? how can you tell the difference between a VT and a power role, assuming you haven't found any crumbs? If the team is Hu Tao / OutWorld / Gypyx,

both Hu Tao and Outworld would be exposed if I were a closeted power role.

That seems too great a risk to take, even if they had lots of suspicion coming into this day, Hu Tao had a lot more than OutWorld

So you're implying I'm scum and not actually a jail keeper?

[Hu Tao]

If i was scum why would I not just say I blocked gypyx n1. That would be a confirmed fake claim I wouldn't have to do any guesses.

[Hu Tao]

And your only scenario when I'm scum is if I'm scum with gypyx. Soooo..

[Hu Tao]

Also if I was scum OWER we could have just said that he got blocked n1. Either way I had a safe choice for jk.

[Hu Tao]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

anyway, mafia!Hu Tao doesn't want to create a larger web of lies than necessary. If she claims a block, she has to justify her reasons, then justify her justifications, then...

No. Because as scum I'd have safe blocks available. That logic doesn't apply at all.

[Hu Tao]

Also if I was scum OWER we could have just said that he got blocked n1. Either way I had a safe choice for jk.

Two things on that:

1. Could OWER differentiate between being blocked and getting no result 'cos dead person.

2. No, because why would you have gone for OWER? come on, let's stop these mind games. as town you shouldn't fear me backing you into the truth, as scum you should fear me narrowing your options.

Hu Tao
Who
did
you
block

This makes 0 sense. And as I said it makes no difference so no need to claim it.

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup. You realize the only way I'm scum is with ower and gypyx. So if I was scum with one of them. Why couldn't I talk to them in the mafia pt and say I'm going to claim a jk on them n1?

[Hu Tao]

Everyone should supply their suggested solve, mine is { Gypyx, Black, Outworld }

I don't think I have one standout for sure, thankfully this thread is about to reach dormant phase so I may actually get around to the analysis I keep putting off that I've been needing to do for ages.

potentially most likely but wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong: Hu Tao, Outworld, Gypyx

Please just end the game then. I don't want to wait 8 days to lose

[Hu Tao]

anyways i think i wanna kill outworld today as it's probably something me and jackson can both compromise on

the only team (excluding Luca / Jackson worlds) where outworld isn't scum is Me / Psyche / black

on a mechanical standpoint this would make the setup :

3. Odd-night vig, Odd-night jailkeeper, Neapolitan, 2 Masons

this is a lot. assuming the Full neap gets 1 single clear and dies without being belived at first, this is at bare minimum 4 conftowns + additional town power

Notice how outworld has been constantly undermining the power of his role each time another PR claim comes out, that's no accident, he needs Neap to appear weaker than it is

and hopefully with the time bought by the outworld exe we have have hu tao perform a correct jailkeep and buy us room to get the lim we need between me / psyche

btw hu you absolutely should be using your jailkeep as a roleblock tonight methinks since there's 2 masons with roughly equal chances of getting killed anyways

Why can't the team be Psyche Luca Jackson?

[Hu Tao]

We definitely need to hear more from black and ower. So we can wait a bit

[Hu Tao]

congratulations to honorary scumteam members jacksonVirgo and Luca Blight for their win in mini 2325

that would probably be a scummy worthy performance if you actually had a red PM

I'm sorry but like. If you think this is scum, that's wild.

[Hu Tao]

Black, everyone, please read the analysis! It has to be OutWorld, it has to be!

I'll read it as soon as I have time. Can you link the main posts about it?

This feels fake. Why not unvote?

[Hu Tao]

congratulations to honorary scumteam members jacksonVirgo and Luca Blight for their win in mini 2325

that would probably be a scummy worthy performance if you actually had a red PM

I'm sorry but like. If you think this is scum, that's wild.

You keep saying that

Because that's something scum never says. Gypyx would never say that as scum. Like come on.

[Hu Tao]

Okay I'm just gonna say it. I think it's black and ower as scum. Because no way black just votes and leaves as town on Elim and lose day like that

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Gypyx

UNVOTE:

Didn't realize the situation we're in

Also feel like this was a mini slip. How do you forget this situation as town

[Hu Tao]

We aren't winning ketchup

[Hu Tao]

If ketchup or gypyx is scum this game. I may have to quit mafia

[Hu Tao]

I can't believe I'm the only one that hard townreads gypyx tbh. I definitely wanna see what dead thread was saying post game. Because that seems like the easiest read to me

[Hu Tao]

What's even the vc right now?

[Hu Tao]

I should still be voting psyche. But looks right

[Hu Tao]

Ower whe you're back. What are your thoughts on the votes on you?

[Hu Tao]

When*

[Hu Tao]

Final thought: If it is Psyche / Black / Outworld , they’ve literally just had to sit back and relax while we destroy each other. painful af

That's why psyche is the best vote

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Can't even remember if I was still voting Outworld, but will give him a chance to catch-up.

I would appreciate more analysis from psyche if possible, to reassure me that my read is correct. I know it's hard as I'm now suffering from the same lack of motivation myself.

It's wrong

[Hu Tao]

I mean if you three are mafia who decided not to blitzhammer, dam. I concede

black said she thinks scum wouldn't dare to try to quickhammer due to Hu Tao having a jailkeep

this is probably her true mindset and as such explains a lot

and, look just don't mind me if that's bullshit but i think it's maybe a slip she knows hu tao is town and ergo actually a jailkeeper?

Yep. I think she slipped up earlier when she said she didn't know the situation we were in

[Hu Tao]

Okay what's the vote count right now

[Hu Tao]

Wait so you think scum is gypyx Jackson luca?

[Hu Tao]

I think scum thought I'd be an easy Elim tomorrow. So they went for titus

[Hu Tao]

Well I'm conf town. Or scum with gypyx. I could have hammered

[Hu Tao]

I'm okay with eliminating ower BTW @masons

[Hu Tao]

I'm okay with eliminating ower BTW @masons

I don’t think anybody thinks they’re Town, but just a suggestion. If you could protect the masonry as opposed to trying to block a killer that would be appreciated. Let’s not discuss this further for obvious reasons

Game ends tonight. Unless I block the killer. Seems like a 20% chance at the moment. But if we vote ower who you think is scum we have a better chance. Why not vote ower?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: ower

[Hu Tao]

given that your gypx read is bound to factor into a jk choice i'd say the odds are far less than 20%
and then the math for actually limming her gets even worse

This is a slip.

He just confirmed gypyx is town.

[Hu Tao]

I think it's Gypyx/Hu/Psyche. They are finally abandoning the 1v1 and going for the win now with an OWER misfade

If we don't have enough support for a Gypyx fade we should go Psyche. I won't be voting outside of the 1v1

Okay then move your vote psyche?

[Hu Tao]

Black doesn't have this type lapse in judgement as town. That's why I'm pretty confident

[Hu Tao]

Jackson we both want ower. Not sure why we can't just vote ower here. That way if you're wrong on gypyx I can still have a chance to block scum

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

Who did the night kill?

[Hu Tao]

Gypyx sorry I couldn't avenge you

[Hu Tao]

Who did the night kill?

OutWorldER

Darn. I was gonna choose black or ower. I chose the wrong one

[Hu Tao]

Ketchup you were fun to play with. You should /in another game

[Hu Tao]