Mini Normal 2326 | Everything has exploded !

[Hu Tao]

I was also thinking Dannflor as likely scum coming in to today.

I was expecting DP to be night killed today.

(was expecting OutofOrder the night before)

It's possible Dann was role copped by gob. Which is what I'm assuming at least

[Hu Tao]

What's the votes at? I'm okay with vivax or grack. Don't see myself voting elsewhere

[Hu Tao]

I actually agree with dp there. What was your suspicion on Naerys?

[Hu Tao]

I am thinking its just grack.

POE, I don't really see a team that makes sense without him in it unless it's exactly luca/ht
and the wagonomics look really really damning.

1.) grack parked his vote on gob for most of day 1

Spoiler:

1.11

Roden (3) :

Luca Blight / SuperflousNinja / oatsmaster

Luca Blight (3) :

Vivax / outoforder / Hu Tao

DarthPunk (2) :

Dannflor / gob

gob (1) :

Grackaroni

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

Roden

oatsmaster (1) :

Naerys

Dannflor (1) :

DarthPunk

Not Voting (1):

Dunnstral

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-12 04:48:03)

Mod Notes

bzzzt

Flavor

Spoiler:

wow, already on our 11th votecount? times sure flies when you're having fun !

another thing that happened with each episode and that kinda gets dropped later on is that basically episode 2/3/4 were each shamelessly inspired from popular horror subgenres, 2 is litterally "The Thing", 3 is high school horror or like, whatever name that kind of thing has been given and 4 is a slasher movie, and while it's honestly a pretty interesting way to go about things ! Only problem is that 1, this wasn't at all part of what one would expect when starting to watch this series, and 2, this makes each episode feel completely disconnected from the other, sure like, the plot goes fowards, but it's riddled with timeskips, the worst one i'll detail in the next flavor bit

like seriously, in episode 4 we get teased the idea of "Zombie drones", i sure wonder where this is going ! (nowhere, this is going nowhere why did they do this just to stop midway)

1.12

Roden (3) :

Luca Blight / SuperflousNinja / oatsmaster

Luca Blight (3) :

outoforder / Hu Tao / DarthPunk

DarthPunk (3) :

Dannflor / gob / Roden

gob (1) :

Grackaroni

oatsmaster (1) :

Naerys

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral / Vivax

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-12 04:48:03)

Mod Notes

didn't count oatsmaster's unvote at it appears to be accidental, if you accidentally make a vote / unvote you didn't want to please correct it manually for clarity purposes

Flavor

Spoiler:

I mean i'm not being very fair here, we *do* see a zombie drone but like, only for litterally 10 seconds at the start of episode 5, like

*We're in a scrapyard, with plenty of deactivated drones in a pile*

*zoom into the pile*

*we see a drone getting back to life, who looks understeandably a bit frightened by everything*

and that's it, not like really that's IT, this place / drone / THIS WHOLE IDEA never comes up again

1.13

Luca Blight (4) :

outoforder / Hu Tao / DarthPunk / Vivax

[Exe-3]

Roden (3) :

Luca Blight / SuperflousNinja / oatsmaster

DarthPunk (3) :

Dannflor / gob / Roden

gob (1) :

Grackaroni

oatsmaster (1) :

Naerys

Not Voting (1):

Dunnstral

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-12 04:48:03)

Mod Notes

Flavor filled out from VC 10 to the current one !

Flavor

Spoiler:

Ok so i'm gonna be real i didn't plan for this day to go up to page 13 so things are gonna get mostly improvised here, like, i swear i have a lot to talk about still, but i wouldn't wanna get

too

far on scheduele, so instead let's talk get more lighthearted !

the soundtrack is *really* good, like, extremely, the only thing that is sad about it is that a lot of them actually work around the dialogue and get more calm when it happens, so it's a bit tough to listen to it individually

the style is a mix of rock / dark electro and it works really well, here would be my 2 personal favorites !

1.14

Roden (4) :

Luca Blight / SuperflousNinja / oatsmaster / Dannflor

[Exe-3]

Luca Blight (2) :

outoforder / Hu Tao

DarthPunk (2) :

/ gob / Roden

Hu Tao (2) :

DarthPunk / Vivax

oatsmaster (1) :

Naerys

gob (1) :

Grackaroni

Not Voting (1):

Dunnstral

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-12 04:48:03)

Mod Notes

Empty

Flavor

Spoiler:

All the music is done by AJ Dispirito, i strongly encourage you to check out his channel where he posted every ost if you were curious about those ! It's certainely one of the only things about this series that is consistently good

anyways i'll probably throw random murder drones related images until end of day (yes picture me as in flavor throwing you printed memes, that is my artistic intent here)

1.15

Roden (4) :

Luca Blight / SuperflousNinja / oatsmaster / Dannflor

[Exe-3]

Vivax (2) :

Hu Tao / Naerys

Dunnstral (2) :

gob / Vivax

DarthPunk (1) :

Roden

Hu Tao (1) :

DarthPunk

gob (1) :

Grackaroni

Luca Blight (1) :

outoforder

Not Voting (1):

Dunnstral

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-12 04:48:03)

Mod Notes

Empty

Flavor

Spoiler:

Here, the 13 of you can see a crudely drawn picture of the murder drones characters "V" and "Lizzy" passionately making out

this image is humorous both by it's simplistic nature, which only serves to exacerbate the passion depicted in their show of love, and by the caption above, deepening the shock value of such an art piece by pointing it out for the viewer to reflect upon

2.) this vote on oats is really suspect, in terms of timing when the balance is Oats/gob particularly in light of the day 1 gob vote.

Spoiler:

2.10

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / gob

[Exe-2]

Gob (3) :

Naerys / DarthPunk / Hu Tao

[Exe-3]

SuperfluousNinja (2) :

outoforder / Vivax

Luca Blight (1) :

oatsmaster

Not Voting (1):

Grackaroni

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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2.11

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni

[Exe-2]

Gob (3) :

Naerys / Hu Tao / Darth Punk

[Exe-3]

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

oatsmaster

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

Vivax

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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3.) Leading my counter wagon to gob here.

Spoiler:

2.6

DarthPunk (4) :

Grackaroni / Luca Blight / Hu Tao / gob

[Exe-2]

Gob (4) :

Naerys / outoforder / DarthPunk / Dannflor

[Exe-2]

Luca Blight (2) :

oatsmaster / Vivax

Oatsmaster (1) :

SuperfluousNinja

Not Voting (0):

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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no thoughts?

I don't deny I was the most responsible for pushing the yeet on to Oats and have probably acted as scum's best ally throughout the course of this game.

From what I recall when I pushed on to you the main focus was on Luca rather than Gob. I'd guess Gob's wagon probably formed after the Luca wagon dissipated, which is different from the agenda that you're suggesting.

I'd like to heavily caution everybody that the scum team was very likely aware that Gob would be flipped in this game and that they would be cautious of how their posts would be viewed after his flip. I'm looking at the two wagons of Ninja/Dann/Luca/me versus Hu-Tao/nearys/DarthPunk and it's just overwhelmingly more likely that mafia was pushing Gob rather than trying to save him.

I played the last day in a very unclean way that was bound to lead me to getting in a lot of trouble. I came in with the assumption that Gob was probably mafia. Without waiting for a flip I foolishly jumped on a post Oats had made about Gob that I didn't think could come from a townie and took the lead in executing Oats. This is not how I would play as mafia. As mafia I would be want to be seen as in favor of yeeting Gob and then wait to start connecting him to other people to him after he has already flipped when my push will be viewed as logical to most of the player base.

This is what you/Naerys are doing at the moment with this vote wagon case imo.

I think it's Dp and Vivax.

What changed from there

[Hu Tao]

Is that hammer? Who all was voting grack?

[Hu Tao]

She's voting vivax so I think it's e-1

[Hu Tao]

Either way I'm fine with grack gone if that was hammer. I'm going to sleep, I'll be back later.

[Hu Tao]

Maybe if I had an anime avatar, Keckaroni would find me tonally townie as well.

Plot twist: He‘s with Hu Tao

[Hu Tao]

I‘m looking for Dannflor‘s N1 check. Was it Grack ?

He's an even night. So only get results on even nights

[Hu Tao]

HEAR MY CLAIM.

If that is really your claim, this gon be a real short day.

intent to hammer

Let's not rush this. Remember, you're probably going to be the night-kill and won't be able to influence the game further, so it's important we carefully consider everything now.

My son had an accident at school, so I'm not going to be on the the rest of the day. Hopefully review everything Tomorrow.

Hopefully everything is okay

[Hu Tao]

Not sure what to make of Grack‘s refuge into audacity.

There‘s very little in Naerys ISO to really pin her down. Gob doesn‘t help much either.

I‘m inclined to go for a Naerys vote here but I‘d like to see Luca caught up.

HT any updates ? Opinions ? Donations ?

I think last 2 scum are in you grack and Luca. But I think it is just you and grack

[Hu Tao]

Grack, DP.

We will discuss this in private post game but if I have the correct picture this game is unwinnable.

VOTE: Naerys

I think it‘s Hu Tao and Naerys though. I think only mafia would exploit the presence of Ninja and her issues this shamelessly.

Pretty sure you've called everyone mafia at this point today

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: vivax

E-1

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Fine. But I'd rather this not take 8 days. Imo game is solved by voting grack vivax and Luca in any order. But I prefer vivax or grack

[Hu Tao]

Luca Blight and Grack is still my last guess.
Naerys + Hu Tao is too easy.

Was worried you had us figured out for a second

[Hu Tao]

The alternative if this is mylo is to no-launch

Only thing that would change is that ninja would be gone if we did this

[Hu Tao]

3.4

gob (5) :

Naerys / Hu Tao / Dannflor / DarthPunk / gob

[Executed !]

Not Voting (4):

Vivax / Grackaroni / Luca Blight / SuperfluousNinja

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-25 14:18:14)

Mod Notes

ok lol

Vivax-Grack-Luca contains atleast 1 scum.

Yep. That's where I've been at this entire day too

[Hu Tao]

Especially if town moved to Oats of their own accord I‘d stay on the failed scum wagon that flips the next day 100% of the time.

Hu Tao isn‘t even doing anything on this day. She cleared herself with the fake cop claim and dropped off since then.

Well this is a lie. But like I said. I don't think dp or naerys is scum. When naerys is scum, she makes no sense most of the time in her reads. Her reads make sense. Thus I think she's town. DP was the counter to gob and was pushing dp, I don't think he's scum. Ninja is pretty much cleared. So game is pretty solved for me imo

[Hu Tao]

Is that hammer? Who all was voting grack?

She's voting vivax so I think it's e-1

Either way I'm fine with grack gone if that was hammer. I'm going to sleep, I'll be back later.

VOTE: vivax

E-1

UNVOTE:

Fine. But I'd rather this not take 8 days. Imo game is solved by voting grack vivax and Luca in any order. But I prefer vivax or grack

She‘s avoiding to have Grack hammered, see ?
Where did she vote Grack if she was fine with both ?

I'm fine with voting grack

[Hu Tao]

What's the votes at? I'm okay with vivax or grack. Don't see myself voting elsewhere

So where is the Grack vote?

Grack opportunity. Hu Tao doesn‘t vote.
Vivax opportunity, she votes.

Fact: They aren‘t equal wagons to her

So is your point now that you think it's me and grack?

[Hu Tao]

Okay who is very against a Luca elimination right now and why

I am against it, but not very against it.

I am thinking we go dunnstral here unironically. I still need to catch up though but the fact I haven't seen dunn post at all and can't remember any of their posts is a bad sign.

I forgot about this post

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: grack

Fine ill go grack. Like I said it doesn't matter. Grack/luca/vivax solves the game imo

[Hu Tao]

I think HT is mafia with grack that would be my best guess at a team right now.

Do you seriously still scumread me based off that thing day 1 and me trying to bait scum day 2?

[Hu Tao]

4.7

Grackaroni (4) :

Luca Blight / Hu Tao / DarthPunk / SuperfluousNinja

[Execution !]

Vivax (1) :

Naerys

Luca Blight (1) :

Grackaroni

Not Voting (1):

Vivax

With 7 Alive, it takes 4 to secure an execution.

Day Four ends in (expired on 2024-02-27 16:38:49)

Mod Notes

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Okay so luca/hu contains atleast one scum

Why not vivax

[Hu Tao]

Why not vivax

That was my impression from looking at Grack wagon. I consider DP town.
That means atleast 1 scum is in you and/or Luca

Ohh got it

[Hu Tao]

I'm VT

[Hu Tao]

Well. I'm still of the same belief as yesterday. Both scum are in Vivac/grack/luca

[Hu Tao]

Is that hammer? Who all was voting grack?

She's voting vivax so I think it's e-1

Either way I'm fine with grack gone if that was hammer. I'm going to sleep, I'll be back later.

VOTE: vivax

E-1

UNVOTE:

Fine. But I'd rather this not take 8 days. Imo game is solved by voting grack vivax and Luca in any order. But I prefer vivax or grack

She‘s avoiding to have Grack hammered, see ?
Where did she vote Grack if she was fine with both ?

I'm fine with voting grack

What's the votes at? I'm okay with vivax or grack. Don't see myself voting elsewhere

So where is the Grack vote?

Grack opportunity. Hu Tao doesn‘t vote.
Vivax opportunity, she votes.

Fact: They aren‘t equal wagons to her

So is your point now that you think it's me and grack?

VOTE: grack

Fine ill go grack. Like I said it doesn't matter. Grack/luca/vivax solves the game imo

I'm most confident in vivax. So I'd probably vote there at the moment. And I shouldnt have been baited into grack yesterday by him. But it's fine regardless

[Hu Tao]

Well. I'm still of the same belief as yesterday. Both scum are in Vivac/grack/luca

Grack? REALLY, HU?

I'm talking about what I said yesterday

[Hu Tao]

Which is why I think it's Vivax and Luca

[Hu Tao]

I don't see myself voting dp today

[Hu Tao]

And previous day you ended in "not voting" so idk which scum you apparently voted

You don't suspect DP even a tiny bit? Do you know his calibre? He's basically Harvey Specter from suits in skill level.
What about gob's little birdies post? Do you think I told him about DP being good in scumchat or did DP tell him himself?

Is dp the type of person to brag about himself?

[Hu Tao]

Is DarthPunk a very good player?

Is DarthPunk a very good player?

Yeah I think he may be one of the strongest on the site.

Is DarthPunk a very good player?

I've heard he's one of the best

Wait a minute. I'm the one who asked the question and grack said yes first. And then gob said it. So it's possible gob just said that cause grack already said it.

[Hu Tao]

So I don't buy the dp bragging to gob thing in scum chat

[Hu Tao]

I'm also fine with voting luca

[Hu Tao]

Okay, well I guess we wait for Luca and get his perspective

[Hu Tao]

Everyone write 2 names of those you think they are the highest possibility of being scum,please
for me its:

Luca, Vivax

Luca, vivax same

[Hu Tao]

From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.

I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the

'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca'

, even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.

I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.

I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?

[Hu Tao]

And who do you think are the 2 scum then?

[Hu Tao]

Mafia played well enough that I'd give them a win tbh but that's probably against the rules.
Tough setup too and they sniped every single role.

Maybe we should vote for a draw and make peace with the mafia.

If the scumteam is Hu Tao/Naerys/Gob then they've literally done nothing but sit back while town tears itself apart.

This would be funny ngl.

[Hu Tao]

From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.

I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the

'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca'

, even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.

I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.

I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?

I see nothing to suggest Naerys isn't scum. Why are you so sure she is town? And please don't say 'dumbtell'.

From my perspective at least you or her has to be scum.

I've played with Naerys quite a bit. And when she makes sense she is town.

Also the way you're phrasing this, you're saying me or Naerys which means you think vivax is scum. Yet you said you'd vote me

[Hu Tao]

So from my perspective I have to vote either Hu Tao or Naerys today, as even if we flipped someone like Vivax and he was scum, Hu Tao and Naerys would vote me off tomorrow anyway.

Oh okay thanks for the clarification

[Hu Tao]

So is your case on me basically I don't have a good enough reason to TR Naerys?

[Hu Tao]

I said this early on. Naerys will be lurking as scum or town but you have to see if her reads make sense to see if she's scum or not. She's made sense this game so she's town.

[Hu Tao]

From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.

I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the

'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca'

, even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.

I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.

I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?

I see nothing to suggest Naerys isn't scum. Why are you so sure she is town? And please don't say 'dumbtell'.

From my perspective at least you or her has to be scum.

I've played with Naerys quite a bit. And when she makes sense she is town.

Also the way you're phrasing this, you're saying me or Naerys which means you think vivax is scum. Yet you said you'd vote me

What has Nerys said specifically that makes you think she is town?

I'm suspicious that you're not even considering you might be wrong when we're in melo. I TR Darth but would be considering him, if not for the gamestate being as it is.

Have to do some work now.

This feels like last game with Gypyx. Where it's more of a meta read

[Hu Tao]

The way I see it, I wanted vivax yesterday and was baited into grack. And now Luca is trying to bait me out of Vivax today.

[Hu Tao]

I said this early on. Naerys will be lurking as scum or town but you have to see if her reads make sense to see if she's scum or not. She's made sense this game so she's town.

Does it make sense to you that she uses me not voting gob as outed scum as a reason to push me ?

No I'm pretty sure I said already it didn't, which is true

[Hu Tao]

Actually looks like I didn't post about it but I guess I just thought it

[Hu Tao]

Okay fine. I won't be so set in my reads. I'm willing to do a reset for everyone. But can you explain why Naerys and DP?

[Hu Tao]

The way I see it, I wanted vivax yesterday and was baited into grack. And now Luca is trying to bait me out of Vivax today.

Baited ? You had him as scumread so why baited ?

Well I felt baited after I should say

[Hu Tao]

I think Dannfloor is mafia. They don't seem to be solving much at all.

Hmm

i think dann did plenty of solving and gob is sus

VOTE: gob
i actually wish to head this way
anybody up for this

Look at how little interest there is in going after Gob, or Naerys, or Grack. If I'm right and that really is the scum team, then why would they need to do anything

right, gob is my buddy and thats why i want to yeet him

Why do you want to yeet him? What specifics can you point to that make him seem yeet-worthy?

i think town gob usually spouts some nonsense
but this gob feels rather manipulative

She was pretty early on with gob. And giving reasons for it.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Oatsmaster

ive had enough of this clown

Finally some action

Idk if I see partner from this either

[Hu Tao]

2.9 (no changes)

Gob (4) :

Naerys / outoforder / DarthPunk / Hu Tao

[Exe-2]

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / gob

[Exe-2]

Luca Blight (2) :

oatsmaster / Vivax

Not Voting (1):

Grackaroni

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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I think this was important too. Do we think scum bussed here?

[Hu Tao]

Hmm. Would vivax really change his mind this much as scum, idk. I think I prefer Luca now

[Hu Tao]

I'm curious on DPs thoughts too

[Hu Tao]

The fact everyone is happy to eliminate me should raise some alarm bells.

True. What do you think so far?

[Hu Tao]

Alright everyone, unvote me temporarily. I have an announcement to make.

I am the Tracker. I tracked Naerys last night and she didn’t visit anyone.

This is why i was originally suspicious of Hu Tao’s scumclaim.

This is either scum saying they visited their partner, who will not counter their claim, or Gob actually did role-check Naerys n1. I admit the latter seems more likely, which increases the chance of Hu Tao being scum.

Then you think Dann just died for no reason? Also I'm the one who put him at e-1 earlier. And vivax unvoted.

[Hu Tao]

I'm not really following page 135 and 136

Okay then. Let's see if this helps

VOTE: gob

E-1

It strikes me that gob really wants to survive more than solve in this game.

UNVOTE:

I prefer another day where we can discuss both of them at E-2.

Many asleep rn

This is making me lean vivax again. If they weren't unvoted it would have given more time OoO to see Gobs claim. Makes me think that he did it on purpose to give gob more time

[Hu Tao]

I’m around now for a couple of hours.

I’ve been following the thread but I want to re read a bit and catch up properly.

ATM I Think HT+Luca is the most likely.

Why

[Hu Tao]

And this is where town loses in melo - where everyone becomes too sure of their reads and unwilling to consider they might be wrong, leading to an elimination that everyone is happy with, which more of than not is going to be town (that's me in this situation).

Who is really willing to consider that i might be town?

If the answer is no-one, then I might as well self-vote now and save us all some time.

I said I was willing to consider but you'd need to sell me why vivax/naerys makes sense

[Hu Tao]

And this is where town loses in melo - where everyone becomes too sure of their reads and unwilling to consider they might be wrong, leading to an elimination that everyone is happy with, which more of than not is going to be town (that's me in this situation).

Who is really willing to consider that i might be town?

If the answer is no-one, then I might as well self-vote now and save us all some time.

I said I was willing to consider but you'd need to sell me why vivax/naerys makes sense

I don't see any reason it doesn't make sense?

I'm certainly not putting all my eggs in the vivax/naerys basket. It wouldn't surprise me right now if Darth/Naerys was the scum team.

You literally just said you're ruling out dp

[Hu Tao]

And who do you think are the 2 scum then?

Two of you/Vivax/Naerys. Right now I would guess you and Naerys.

Of course, it could be Darth, but if so then gg because there's no turning that around at this stage.

This is literally everyone in the game.

Who are your top 2? No hedging.

Ok, right now my money would be on you and Naerys being the scum team.

Interesting

[Hu Tao]

2.9 (no changes)

Gob (4) :

Naerys / outoforder / DarthPunk / Hu Tao

[Exe-2]

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / gob

[Exe-2]

Luca Blight (2) :

oatsmaster / Vivax

Not Voting (1):

Grackaroni

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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What do you think of naerys voting you?

doesnt look like naerys is tapped in. She is iust sheeping others i think.

HU TAO SAVE ME

2.10

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / gob

[Exe-2]

Gob (3) :

Naerys / DarthPunk / Hu Tao

[Exe-3]

SuperfluousNinja (2) :

outoforder / Vivax

Luca Blight (1) :

oatsmaster

Not Voting (1):

Grackaroni

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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Fair. I'm not voting ninja, but I could vote oats. I'll think it over and be back later

Fair. I'm not voting ninja, but I could vote oats. I'll think it over and be back later

Why is this?

Because I scumread oats and ninja is my top tr. I explained earlier

Maybe this is what gave Hu Tao away.
She kept reiterating that she had a SR on Oats but kept her vote on gob and interacted with him like she probably shouldn't if she really thought he was scum.

Juicy part of the game.

Oh boy

[Hu Tao]

One thing about Hu Tao is that her read on me hasn't really developed all game. She had me as null, then scum-lean based on the reaction test, and back to null after I stopped scumreading her, and now I'm back to being scum again based on PoE. I just don't any substance behind this read.

This isn't true

[Hu Tao]

And we recently finished a game together where we were both town, so I would have expected a bit more as she townread me for nearly all of that game.

You mean the game where I had the townread that was right and you kept pushing on town. It's basically how I'm feeling this game. And left an important detail out. I Town read you that game because of your push day 1 and your confidence. Yet this game I saw nothing of that and there was not that same confidence. Why would this even be the same?

[Hu Tao]

I generally have a hard time seeing Darth/Hu Tao being a team based on interactions.

Spoiler:

From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.

I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the

'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca'

, even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.

I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.

I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?

I see nothing to suggest Naerys isn't scum. Why are you so sure she is town? And please don't say 'dumbtell'.

From my perspective at least you or her has to be scum.

I've played with Naerys quite a bit. And when she makes sense she is town.

Also the way you're phrasing this, you're saying me or Naerys which means you think vivax is scum. Yet you said you'd vote me

What has Nerys said specifically that makes you think she is town?

I'm suspicious that you're not even considering you might be wrong when we're in melo. I TR Darth but would be considering him, if not for the gamestate being as it is.

Have to do some work now.

This feels like last game with Gypyx. Where it's more of a meta read

You scumread Naerys earlier in the game for not doing much, but now townread her. It would be really helpful if you could give some examples of posts that convinced you she is town. With gypyx I could understand your confidence even if I disagreed at the time, but I don't understand your confidence in Naerys.

I quoted some already. And pretty much Naerys has a tell that when she's scum she acts a certain way and doesn't make sense. I posted early where she made sense

[Hu Tao]

I became active after people stopped posting ridiculous number of posts and it became easier to concetrate on this game for me

Yep I saw that too

[Hu Tao]

Sorry that i actually tried to solve the game lol

Why do you think that Hu Tao is town and I'm scum?

I am on phone right now so i will just say that i didnt like your position on some wagons, Hu was pushing gob for some time so i dont think they are aligned

Scum pushing their partners is quite common. I'm certain that If I were scum this game I would have pushed Gob more rather than tunnelling on oats - because it gives you something to point to when it comes to melo. The fact is that oats was always my stronger scumread, which is why I kept on him. Hu Tao stayed on Gob while keeping her options open with regards to oats as vivax pointed out.

Especially in the climate of this game, with oats being one of the tl crew, it would definitely be a safer bet as scum to bus your partner (Gob, who was always on borrowed time anyway) than bank on eliminating oats who could be bailed out by the likes of OoO at any moment. The fact that so many vocal townies were pushing oats meant scum never had to do any of the heavy lifting there.

Yes I wanted gob or oats so it didn't matter. I explained my reasons for wanting oats at the time so I'm not sure why you're glossing over that. And I also put gob at e-1 and vivax unvoted

[Hu Tao]

Luca is basically confirmed mafia at this point when he started the day with saying I’m lock town or whatever and then as soon as he saw that I was going to push him posting walls and flipping his read.

He has had a lot of time to develop his read on me, which was town, and then he responds again to being called scum with calling the person pushing him as scum.

I realise this is going to shit up the thread again but I can’t let him just waffle his way out. Again.

Anyway talk more tomorrow.

That's not what happened - I never said you were lock town, I said that if you were scum then you've probably already won, which is still most likely true.

Having considered everything, I came to the conclusion that you and Naerys are the most likely team. I don't know why you think this would be good strategically to do this if I were scum and you town in this position - I certainly wouldn't try to alienate myself from the consensus townread player. I'm saying what I'm saying because it's how I genuinely feel, even if it's most likely a lost cause by this point.

If I''m scum then who is my partner?

Well this is a lie, you said earlier he was lock town

[Hu Tao]

F*ck it, let's go.

VOTE: Darth Punk

I realise this is an uphill battle against someone who everyone reads as town, but in that case then the game is lost anyway.

Nothing about Darth's reaction makes me think he could be town. As town he would see that I'm trying to solve the game, even if I suspect him, rather than say it makes me confirmed scum, because what is my motivation here as scum? As scum I don't go head to head with the consencus town read, nor against half of the tl crew like I did on D1 while (rightly) defending my townreads.

Oh boy. I'll finish catching up first

[Hu Tao]

You said I'm confirmed scum - what more is there to say?

Either you die or I die, that's all there is to it.

This is such a 180 wow

[Hu Tao]

Yeah, if I'm scum with vivax I really go head to head with Darth which I'm much more likely to lose in this game state, leaving Hu Tao and Naerys to vote Vivax off tomorrow

This is why I'm having a hard time seeing you as town. I JUST said I am willing to reconsider everything but you're still pushing the same narrative that rules out having vivax as an Elim based on something that shouldn't be in play anymore. So why are you so worried about me and naerys tomorrow?

[Hu Tao]

If me and vivax are scum then the only way to win from here is to buddy Darth and get him to vote someone like Hu Tao, who he also scumreads.

And what do you think about Hu Tao?

I think either you or Hu Tao are scum with Darth. Based on interactions I would say that you seem more likely at the moment unless Hu Tao and Darth have done some thorough distancing.

Earlier were you not just saying I was the scum or am I thinking of vivax. I'll look after I catch up

[Hu Tao]

If me and vivax are scum then the only way to win from here is to buddy Darth and get him to vote someone like Hu Tao, who he also scumreads.

And what do you think about Hu Tao?

I think either you or Hu Tao are scum with Darth. Based on interactions I would say that you seem more likely at the moment unless Hu Tao and Darth have done some thorough distancing.

Thats the problem i have, looking at the reads i dont see Hu being aligned with anyone.

How about me, though? Do you really think I'd go 1v1 with Darth if me and vivax are scum together? That's literally the worst thing I could do.

Again. You're making this argument. And it's very sus. You're making it seem like after I said I would reconsider it is nothing. So what was the point of that post? A lie?

[Hu Tao]

Tho i have to admit i had afeeling that Hu was only mimicking my own reads without really adding anything her own.
Eugh. I hate this.

Not true. Pretty sure I had the read before you but I'll double check after this

[Hu Tao]

Also Darth would be probably easy pocket if u and vivax are scum together

Which makes it more probable to be Darth + Hu lol
bcz i dont see any pocketing attempts from either Vivax or Luca

That is a possibility. I'm glad you're at least considering it.

Is this literally not the pocketing you were just saying? Because you literally did not give me the same type of interaction when I said I would reconsider

[Hu Tao]

How about me, though? Do you really think I'd go 1v1 with Darth if me and vivax are scum together? That's literally the worst thing I could do.

Yea scum is unlikely to bus at this stage

If me and vivax are scum together, I buddy Darth (who I had been townreading anyway) and push Hu Tao, who Darth says he scumreads. That would be the only path to victory. Going 1v1 with Darth means I most likely die as everyone has already expressed a willingness to vote me, and everyone townreads Darth. Darth is then the NK and that leaves you, Hu Tao and vivax as the last three - both you and Hu Tao think vivax is scum, so it's an instant loss.

How do you feel about Vivax. Do you think he could be scum with Darth or Hu?

I've felt better about vivax recently, but I will look into the possibility of him being scum with Darth as well.

I'm having a hard time seeing Darth as town at the moment, but I'll try and consider all possibilities. Both me and Darth have a tendency to tunnel, which results in a playstyle clash at times.

Show me what your similarities are from last game. Take a look from my perspective, last game you pushed hard on someone day 1 to get them eliminated. That was the main reason I tr you that game. I can quote from that game if needed. This game I don't see that same aggressiveness day 1. Am I supposed to ignore that?

[Hu Tao]

Well, Vivax has been trying to solve, or atleast it looks like that.
Looking back at Hu Tao, her solving feels kinda forced tbh.

??? You have to be kidding me

Show me the forced solving then in quotes

[Hu Tao]

And this is where town loses in melo - where everyone becomes too sure of their reads and unwilling to consider they might be wrong, leading to an elimination that everyone is happy with, which more of than not is going to be town (that's me in this situation).

Who is really willing to consider that i might be town?

If the answer is no-one, then I might as well self-vote now and save us all some time.

I said I was willing to consider but you'd need to sell me why vivax/naerys makes sense

I don't see any reason it doesn't make sense?

I'm certainly not putting all my eggs in the vivax/naerys basket. It wouldn't surprise me right now if Darth/Naerys was the scum team.

You literally just said you're ruling out dp

No? I began the day with the mindset that if Darth is scum he's probably already won, and thinking he was more likely town as well. I've since changed my mind for reasons explained.

Okay but when you make a post like that, it makes it seem like you're ruling out someone.

[Hu Tao]

Well, Vivax has been trying to solve, or atleast it looks like that.
Looking back at Hu Tao, her solving feels kinda forced tbh.

Do you get the impression Hu Tao has been pocketing you?

Pocketing? I dont think so. Mimicking my reads? Yes

If like to see you post this too of me mimicking

[Hu Tao]

im the mafia and my teammates are Luca and Vivax

i wish gob actually spewed his team like this...

I wouldn't put it past him. Could be 1 in there

You are making it very hard to scumread you, Naerys. lol

Good, beceause i am town.
Vivax and Grack it is. I didnt like Vivax in previous day and Grack has some pretty bad wagon positions.

I agree with this. At first I thought vivax was town but I remembered something he did that was sus. When I put gob at e-1 he unvoted. Originally I thought it was to protect oat but I think it was to give gob more time to fake claim a role.

I'm not really following page 135 and 136

Okay then. Let's see if this helps

VOTE: gob

E-1

It strikes me that gob really wants to survive more than solve in this game.

UNVOTE:

I prefer another day where we can discuss both of them at E-2.

Many asleep rn

I see you writing a lot but not much substance behind it when you could just look at the wagons and draw conclusions in a more rational way.

Instead you're back to claims like Oats pocketing TL buddies and all that jazz which is a cheap way of sowing distrust. Most of your arguments are based on something not making sense to you and there's massive amounts of purely aesthetic floof.

VOTE: Luca Blight

This is what I was talking about

Let's wait for everyone to check in. I prefer vivax>grack but i agree that these 2 are likely last scum.

Oh interesting, I thought you meant this one below! I was just digging it up... So he has two suspicious vote interactions with Gob, not one.

VOTE: gob
i actually wish to head this way
anybody up for this

I can +1 the vote but as a guess it‘s contraintuitive for me

VOTE: gob

I don‘t see how gob is mafia trying to win the game over being fuck all not trying to solve it at all.

On the other hand I could see Oats being in charge of keeping the heat off DP while he‘s mia.

It‘s a bit unlikely for Grack to have this drastic turnaround on him if he‘s partnered with him ?

Maybe this could ease lots of doubts on Lucas, Ninjas and Dannflors side especially:

VOTE: DarthPunk

Yeah, knowing that Gob is scum, this looks really bad. His vote on him is initially very reluctant, and the very next post is switching his vote elsewhere (to someone who has towned it up pretty much all game, no less).

Yep agreed. Let's see what the others think

If anything I was more agreeing with Ninja not you, Naerys

[Hu Tao]

I'm starting to feel as though Naerys is more likely town, given she's actually reassessing her reads based on game developments.

what about when I said it? Is it because she was talking and I fell asleep?

[Hu Tao]

And we recently finished a game together where we were both town, so I would have expected a bit more as she townread me for nearly all of that game.

You mean the game where I had the townread that was right and you kept pushing on town. It's basically how I'm feeling this game. And left an important detail out. I Town read you that game because of your push day 1 and your confidence. Yet this game I saw nothing of that and there was not that same confidence. Why would this even be the same?

I've pushed people like oats, Grack and Darth with confidence. I would have expected at least some development in your read based on that but you've always kept me as null/scum lean no matter what I've done this game.

Your day 1 that game was a hard tunnel. And a strong meta read one that was wrong. I didn't think scum would do that. That's the only reason I Town read you that game

[Hu Tao]

And we recently finished a game together where we were both town, so I would have expected a bit more as she townread me for nearly all of that game.

You mean the game where I had the townread that was right and you kept pushing on town. It's basically how I'm feeling this game. And left an important detail out. I Town read you that game because of your push day 1 and your confidence. Yet this game I saw nothing of that and there was not that same confidence. Why would this even be the same?

I've pushed people like oats, Grack and Darth with confidence. I would have expected at least some development in your read based on that but you've always kept me as null/scum lean no matter what I've done this game.

VOTE: bugs

I'm all here for it

Did the meta I provided convince you, or my analysis of Bugs in 145, or something else?

Meta and your confidence. I don't think scum does that this early

Luca is my biggest townread, followed by ketchup I think.

iamveryhappy has died! They were a

Vanilla Townie.

DeltaWave has died! She was a

Vanilla Townie.

Day Two begins now.

holy crap
I did not see either of these coming

I thought the dead would be one of me, black, hu tao or luca.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

is the only way for a second person to die a vigilante?

Tbh I thought Luca would die. but I guess their meta was wrong so maybe that's why scum kept them alive. Still think they are town.

This shows that the only reason I town read you that game was because of the meta read and day 1 confidence in 1 read. I didn't see that here, so how do you want me to Town read you again?

[Hu Tao]

Hmm i am kinda thinking about the nightkills. Either scum got really lucky or there is person with good analytical mind
makes me kinda sus Dann tbh

This is funny because she was casting suspicion without being caught up.
But maybe she knew she had someone with said analytical mind on her team.

Dann tbh, let's remove the two n and a b
Da th

GOTCHA

[Hu Tao]

Yeah, if I'm scum with vivax I really go head to head with Darth which I'm much more likely to lose in this game state, leaving Hu Tao and Naerys to vote Vivax off tomorrow

This is why I'm having a hard time seeing you as town. I JUST said I am willing to reconsider everything but you're still pushing the same narrative that rules out having vivax as an Elim based on something that shouldn't be in play anymore. So why are you so worried about me and naerys tomorrow?

I don't understand what you mean.

I'm worried about you and Naerys as I'm trying to solve the game.

Okay yes. But I just said I was willing to reconsider and you still are pushing the narrative where I'll just vote you tomorrow. Also if you thought this, why vote Darth? Say I was scum would I not kill vivax and it would be me you and naerys still? See the contradiction?

[Hu Tao]

Also Darth would be probably easy pocket if u and vivax are scum together

Which makes it more probable to be Darth + Hu lol
bcz i dont see any pocketing attempts from either Vivax or Luca

That is a possibility. I'm glad you're at least considering it.

Is this literally not the pocketing you were just saying? Because you literally did not give me the same type of interaction when I said I would reconsider

Saying you will reconsider and actually reconsidering is quite different.

I literally fell asleep after I said I would reconsider. Why keep posting that I would reconsider after i didn't post after I said I would reconsider?

[Hu Tao]

How about me, though? Do you really think I'd go 1v1 with Darth if me and vivax are scum together? That's literally the worst thing I could do.

Yea scum is unlikely to bus at this stage

If me and vivax are scum together, I buddy Darth (who I had been townreading anyway) and push Hu Tao, who Darth says he scumreads. That would be the only path to victory. Going 1v1 with Darth means I most likely die as everyone has already expressed a willingness to vote me, and everyone townreads Darth. Darth is then the NK and that leaves you, Hu Tao and vivax as the last three - both you and Hu Tao think vivax is scum, so it's an instant loss.

How do you feel about Vivax. Do you think he could be scum with Darth or Hu?

I've felt better about vivax recently, but I will look into the possibility of him being scum with Darth as well.

I'm having a hard time seeing Darth as town at the moment, but I'll try and consider all possibilities. Both me and Darth have a tendency to tunnel, which results in a playstyle clash at times.

Show me what your similarities are from last game. Take a look from my perspective, last game you pushed hard on someone day 1 to get them eliminated. That was the main reason I tr you that game. I can quote from that game if needed. This game I don't see that same aggressiveness day 1. Am I supposed to ignore that?

I'm not talking about D1 - I have no qualms about you not townreading me D1. I think you should have reconsidered or developed your read based on my D2 play onwards, but it feels as though there was next to no development?

Okay. And what happened last game? I had a tr on you day 1 that stayed all the way till the end of the game. So what was the development there?

[Hu Tao]

Your argument is that last game I would have reconsidered. But last game I had you as town the entire game and didn't reconsider

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: grack

Fine ill go grack. Like I said it doesn't matter. Grack/luca/vivax solves the game imo

This kinda lacks nervousness from a mislim, since we were close to mylo.
Also i feel like Hu was silently supporting me not suspecting Darth

I think I already explained this. If not I'll come back to this

[Hu Tao]

I'm starting to feel as though Naerys is more likely town, given she's actually reassessing her reads based on game developments.

what about when I said it? Is it because she was talking and I fell asleep?

Well, are you reassessing? Do you still think me/vivax are scum?

As I said I'm putting everyone back on the table. But I want you to explain why you think that I would reconsider you last game but not this one when I didn't last game

[Hu Tao]

You are making it very hard to scumread you, Naerys. lol

Good, beceause i am town.
Vivax and Grack it is. I didnt like Vivax in previous day and Grack has some pretty bad wagon positions.

I agree with this. At first I thought vivax was town but I remembered something he did that was sus. When I put gob at e-1 he unvoted. Originally I thought it was to protect oat but I think it was to give gob more time to fake claim a role.

How is this copying you when I gave my own reason? This was not your reason

[Hu Tao]

I already said - I have tunnelled hard in this game too, albeit not on D1 and not based on meta. I never expected a locktown read, but I expected

some

development at least.

And I did change my read on you

[Hu Tao]

Naerys-

Luca,Vivax

Hu Tao-

Luca,Vivax

Luca-

Darth,Naerys

Vivax-

Darth, Luca

Darth-

Hu,Luca

Updated.

And DP had Lucas vote on him already and survived, it wasn't a wide span of time but a costly mistake if mafia with Darth. It adds fuel to the Darth mafia scenario so he can save himself in this phase.

Just from tone and reaction both Naerys and Hu felt townie to me on these pages. The Naerys switch to Oats is more likely to come from town because as mafia she'd know it could be used against her and there was no benefit to saving gob anyway cause he'd get auto'd the next day.

As an added benefit I can say I went into D2 with two correct guesses before everything got discombombulated again.

I'm likely changing based on last few pages

[Hu Tao]

Not even necessarily a townread - you haven't posted any thoughts on me at all except for a bad reaction to the reaction test, which wasn't even right as my reaction was to being wagoned. It feels like just keeping someone as a possible mislim option down the line by avoiding taking a hard stance.

I'm pretty sure I did, but maybe I just thought it. I'll check

[Hu Tao]

lets murder mafia ok?

Seems like a bit of a stretch. I don't see what makes Luca scummy. Especially for asking a question that makes sense

Luca is just commenting, they are not trying to solve.

So you're expecting someone to solve in the 5 pages? Also why was his question not trying to solve?

But you also think Luca looks scummy when he seems like the sanest person itt so meh, you might be mafia after all.

VOTE: outoforder

I agree that Luca doesn't looks scummy like OoO is saying but I did like one post from him so far.

I‘ve been devil‘s advocate for you, don‘t you think ?

That earned me a lot of criticism, but in the long run it also told me that nobody would have done the same for you. Just cost me the extra effort, but I wasn‘t pretending, I actually believed it. To find the devil means to play his game first.

Except maybe Naerys, she might have done something for you, who resorted to calling Oats mafia without having a firm stance on you. A chainsaw vote.

Let‘s try Luca/Naerys/Roden ? See if anything changes ?

I'm okay with voting Luca or maybe naerys. I think I'm leaning no on roden right now

I’m saying that voting for you doesn’t make her mafia.

It’s probably the most relevant thing she’s done this game and you aren’t engaging with it appropriately.

I never said it did make her mafia, I said I don't understand her thought-process on that, or much else.

How can I engage with a naked vote, exactly?

Lies. You literally just said it made me a scumread. Caught in your own web

I just want to show that day 1 my read did vary on you. I'll look at other days

[Hu Tao]

Top town
Dannflor, SuperfluousNinja, outoforder

Townish
Vivax, Grackaroni

Null
DarthPunk, Gob, Naerys

Leaning
Oatsmaster

Scum
Luca Blight

I'd say these are my overall tiers. I could move gob and naerys down if they don't do anything. DP I'm unsure how to read. Idk if scum would just pretty much try to Elim me over every little thing, I think could just be tunneled but unsure.

Okay I'm caught up. I'm for a DP vote. I'm unsure the vote count right now since it was wrong earlier

If not DP, who are the other two you'd want to lim?

Gob, Oats maybe Luca. I definitely liked Luca more in the catchup than dp for sure though.

Top town
Dannflor, SuperfluousNinja, outoforder

Townish
Vivax, Grackaroni

Null
DarthPunk, Gob, Naerys

Leaning
Oatsmaster

Scum
Luca Blight

I'd say these are my overall tiers. I could move gob and naerys down if they don't do anything. DP I'm unsure how to read. Idk if scum would just pretty much try to Elim me over every little thing, I think could just be tunneled but unsure.

What am I supposed to gather from gob and naerys when they basically said nothing from my claim

nothing ofc.

but the question is what are you supposed to gather from your (fake)claim?
So far you have gathered nothing afaik?

Nah. I think I got clarified on a few reads like vivax, oats, grack and Luca.

Imo it made Luca way worse for me. But I know you all scumread him heavily yesterday.

Okay I'm caught up. I'm for a DP vote. I'm unsure the vote count right now since it was wrong earlier

If not DP, who are the other two you'd want to lim?

Gob, Oats maybe Luca. I definitely liked Luca more in the catchup than dp for sure though.

Can you explain your read progression from Luca firm mafia to voting to yeet Luca's target?

Luca's catchup and back and forth with dp was better than dp. Which is why I voted dp instead earlier

He also explained his reaction which I initially didn't like which I thought was okay

I think my vote is going to be glued on oats for the rest of this day.

Anyone who happens to townread oats - just look through his iso and see him ask question after question, and make remark after remark without actually doing any proper analysis or doing anything of note at all. All arguments against him he dissects into fragments and asks for explanation after explanation, with the attitude of 'innocent until proven guilty'. It's what I used to do in past scum games - break every argument down into pieces and argue on a purely logical basis, which will never end up with a satisfactory conclusion, because of course oats is never going to admit to being scum, and will continue arguing and redirecting until either you lose interest, or people lazily start to write it off at tvt.

You need to look as much at what oats isn't doing as what he is doing. The vast majority of his post count is made up of filler and questions that lead nowhere. He hold his cards close to his chest and never seems to adapt his reads based on thread developments. Not to mention the blatant pocketing of his tl mates, namely Darth Punk.

Agreed oats is scummy

I see you writing a lot but not much substance behind it when you could just look at the wagons and draw conclusions in a more rational way.

Instead you're back to claims like Oats pocketing TL buddies and all that jazz which is a cheap way of sowing distrust. Most of your arguments are based on something not making sense to you and there's massive amounts of purely aesthetic floof.

VOTE: Luca Blight

Okay so I'm confused by this vote. Weren't you the one saying that pressure on gob was important? But you unvote because you want the people that are asleep to chime in on him when I put gob at e-1? And then you vote Luca once he starts going for oats? Not this seems like you're soft defending oats for a second time when at first I thought it was just because of Dann laying off the gob pressure

I've been pretty clear where my reads are. I think I've been giving reads pretty consistently when asked and when not asked. I literally just gave a few reads the last few pages. That's why I think you're lying about that.

2nd I guess I understand where you can see that. But that's just how I play I catch up and sometimes I'm not around. But I don't think it's as bad as you're painting it.

By very clear I mean reasons. You don’t elaborate on why you think someone is xyz, you just say it.

I’m 90% sure that I asked you specifically about the Luca -> dp transition and what made you make that change and you never responded

In terms of Luca I felt his tone was good. He seemed genuinely frustrated by the situation. I also agreed with his reads originally that you and dp were scum

And this is day 2. At first I did scum read you but even then i started to tr you a bit and even explained why. And vote dp when you were in a 1v1 with him. So maybe you forgot but my read did evolve on you

[Hu Tao]

Also Naerys I'm still waiting for you to show me where I was 'forced'

[Hu Tao]

Ok Hu Tao, fair enough. I did forget about your 3661.

Does this change anything

[Hu Tao]

I need a break, gooing to do something else for bunch of hours.

Okay np. Let me know when you're back

[Hu Tao]

I'll wait for naerys to explain and to see dp's posts before I give my new team

[Hu Tao]

Right now I could see a world where both you and Naerys are town and the scum team is actually Darth/Vivax (who now thinks I'm scum with Darth again, lol).

I'm going to look into those interactions more.

I really disliked your vote.
Your persona so far has always been calm and collected and it was an impulsive play that contrasted it. It implies you had the jitters and that the game wouldn‘t be over for town if you did it again I guess.

And I haven‘t forgot about the Oats cred thing which imo was damning and DP should have given more weight to instead of just weakly agreeing with.

oats cred? Not sure what you mean by that.

I felt in the moment that Darth was very likely to be scum based on his reaction to my suspicions, and I still do think he has the most chance of being scum out of anyone. Why would I suddenly vote my partner out of nowhere? I don't get why you would think that.

I think I'm going to rule out Hu Tao/Naerys as a scum team. They could have ridden the Darth tunnel to victory quite easily.

So you're ruling out that Naerys and HT are mafia because they didn't vote Darth while thinking that Darth is scum?

How does that work? Found another nail in the coffin.

To be fair I wasn't here when he voted so if Naerys and I were scum, we wouldn't have been able to vote him

[Hu Tao]

I think they might be willing to vote Darth.

Right now Darth is my strongest scumread, but you're a close second. I can do either today.

Did you not just say that you didn't want to vote vivax because me and naerys would vote you tomorrow. Or is this no longer the case?

[Hu Tao]

Also the interactions in Hu´s ISO indicate she cant be scum with anybody
If Hu and Luca are both town then the scum team is obviously Darth and Vivax

You can test that theory.
If you vote me and we‘re both town the game ends.

If you vote DP and Luca is either, it won‘t.
I think Luca came off worse from the latest pages just from wanting to force a situation with himself in it.

As town you only want to pit scum vs scum not yourself vs anything else.

If you don‘t understand, then so be it.

Interesting take

[Hu Tao]

Okay. I'm just going to say it.

I don't have a guilty on anyone.

I wanted to see if scum would do anything awkward when faced in this scenario. Or even tell on themselves. And I wanted to get reactions from people in general for reads and I think I got a few things from this.

Lol

I’m a few pages behind and got into trouble with my gf for posting on our trip away.

I’ll be away for a while

VOTE: Ht

Think about it: DP voted Luca in the time window of HTs fake cop check, and switched to Hu Tao when she called it fake but all he could say was lol.

Why was it even scummy?

This is true

[Hu Tao]

For someone who complained about me voting him when he was going afk, it's a bit rich that you should vote me while I'm asleep.

VOTE: Darth Punk

I've said pretty much all I have to say. If Naerys or Hu Tao have any questions then let me know.

I'll finish catching up then ask

[Hu Tao]

All you have to do is to shout that you have the highground now.
.

[Hu Tao]

I'm kinda over it though. This game is too draining

Scum fatigue?

Anything I post you just see in a scum nature. You realize that you need to convince me why I should vote Luca over you right now still?

[Hu Tao]

I guess I'll wait till others are around. I'll be back on around 9 hours from now. Going to sleep now

[Hu Tao]

I'm here

[Hu Tao]

Okay so this rules out me and Naerys as a team. We are both here. Could hammer

[Hu Tao]

I'm not ruling out Dp/Luca as a team yet.

[Hu Tao]

And i dont think scum would make such spectacle at this stage, so one of Luca/DP IS a scum

Why don't you think this?

[Hu Tao]

Why don't you think this?

Luca and Darth team could both just go with "vivax is scum" stuff and be done with it, instead of all this drama

We were both early on saying we would vote for Luca and we both tr Darth. If we voted Luca today and Darth was alive tomorrow it would have been sus. But this if they are both scum gives a reason as to why Darth will be alive tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Hu, out of Luca and Darth, whom are u leaning scum?

Early on I was Luca. Now I'd say it's even. Darth has been trying to push me as scum for what I consider bad reasons all game. Luca has had the better today. You?

[Hu Tao]

Vivax/Luca feel unlikely, they could just pocket Darth and be done with it
Vivax/Darth feels unlikely due Vivax pushing Darth at this stage

that leaves us with Hu/Luca and Hu/Darth

I don't buy this. So basically you think I'm scum?

[Hu Tao]

Darth has so many posts. I'll try to find. But basically when he said I was scum day 1 for "agreeing with a post that said I could be mafia" and day 2 when I tried to bait a scum with the guilty and he said I was trying to force a cc

[Hu Tao]

NGL, Vivax's sudden vote on Dunnstral feels like a panic move in response to a sudden plethora of convincing evidence of Hu Tao's guilt. Why are we suddenly shifting to Dunnstral? How convenient that it's a fairly inactive person. How odd that Vivax says so little to justify the vote.

I don't really like how little engagement Vivax made with my request for info on Hu Tao, either. He seemed unaware that I even suspected him, and frankly I haven't a clue what to make of that, but it's either neutral or willful scum obstinance.

We actually agree for once

What parts do you agree with here?

Um. Read my post before that. It pretty much explains?

Do you agree that vivax was panicking to the plethora of evidence of your guilt? I did read the post before but I don’t see how that applies when ninja is talking like you are guilty and then you agree with the post.

UNVOTE: unvote

VOTE: Hu tao

This one

[Hu Tao]

It's possible he thought I was an easy elimination since I wasn't posting as much beginning to middle of day 1

[Hu Tao]

Want some thoughts from vivax too

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I should just go with my reads going into today. Because if i was right I'd be so sad

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I should just go with my reads going into today. Because if i was right I'd be so sad

Do you think that scumn vivax and luca would try to yeet darth instead of pocketing him and trying to yeet me or you?

I'm not even sure anymore. I kinda hate overthinking in these situations. But I'm going to take more time

[Hu Tao]

Vivax/Luca feel unlikely, they could just pocket Darth and be done with it

Vivax/Darth feels unlikely due Vivax pushing Darth at this stage

that leaves us with Hu/Luca and Hu/Darth

Vivax is

not

pushing Darth, vivax is hedging his bets, hoping for a Luca elimination today, while in the event that Darth is eliminated it gives him a chance on Day 6.

Vivax only started pushing Darth after I did, and then tried to tie me and Darth together as partners. There is clear scum motivation there in terms of a vivax/Darth scum team.

I'm convinced at this point that both you and hu tao are town.

Didn't vivax want Darth yesterday? Or was that still after you did

[Hu Tao]

I‘m back. Long workday.

Ready to put Luca at - 1

Darth Vader, are you his father ?

If not, we can proceed.

I thought you wanted Darth today? I might be wrong you kinda changed reads a lot today

[Hu Tao]

I'm just posting this so Naerys reads it tbh. Please reread D2 and tell me that the reads on each other from DP and Luca weren't bonkers.

Not true.
I had a legit case on why Luca was mafia.

I basically got pushed off of it by ooo saying I was wrong.

Turns out he was wrong and now here we are.

Whatever dude.
If Naerys keeps tunneling me you win anyway.

This town yeeted Oats cause he found mafia so it makes perfect sense.

Be right, you die.

No don't whatever me.

I am here now to talk to you and try figure shit out.

Vivax, I am not mafia, so are you pushing me for sport here?

If you read my posts you‘d know it wouldn’t matter what read I have on you.

I said I‘d vote Luca even if you two were partnered.

The only thing that matters is your read on Luca and whether you are able to convince Naerys.

Town only survives with three townies on the right person.

Mafia doesn‘t even have to do much except not vote, not say too much and wait for the right opportunity.

Okay I see it

[Hu Tao]

So vivax why haven't you voted yet if you're so confident on luca?

[Hu Tao]

The fact that he is now calling, the two people not pushing him town, and the people pushing him mafia.

Its just an appeal to whoever can get him out of being yeeted.

I just want to point out once again that this is nonsense. Everyone in the game has called me scum at one point or another.

Darth, who do you think my partner is right now?

Tbf everyone alive has called everyone alive scum at this point in the game

[Hu Tao]

The voices in my head are saying that vivax is not voting hoping for one of us to vote wrong and then hammer

[Hu Tao]

So vivax why haven't you voted yet if you're so confident on luca?

Creepy post tbh.
Now I want to wait and reread.

The voices get louder

[Hu Tao]

I‘m back. Long workday.

Ready to put Luca at - 1

Darth Vader, are you his father ?

If not, we can proceed.

I‘m back. Long workday.

Ready to put Luca at - 1

Darth Vader, are you his father ?

If not, we can proceed.

I thought you wanted Darth today? I might be wrong you kinda changed reads a lot today

Read what I wrote yesterday please.

That gets harder to do with these two spamming it up ofc.

So vivax why haven't you voted yet if you're so confident on luca?

Creepy post tbh.
Now I want to wait and reread.

These don't add up to me

[Hu Tao]

If Hu Tao was partnered with DP that‘s the type of post she‘d make lol

Let's play this game. If I was partnered with Luca would I not say the same thing to have this reaction?

[Hu Tao]

The voices in my head are saying that vivax is not voting hoping for one of us to vote wrong and then hammer

He's hoping you vote me, and then will hammer. That's been the plan all along - he will only bus Darth as a last resort, and then NK me and try to use naery's paranoia against you on D6.

Yeah you or dp. That's what I need to figure out. Makes me kinda think it's vivax and one of you two

[Hu Tao]

I‘m back. Long workday.

Ready to put Luca at - 1

Darth Vader, are you his father ?

If not, we can proceed.

I‘m back. Long workday.

Ready to put Luca at - 1

Darth Vader, are you his father ?

If not, we can proceed.

I thought you wanted Darth today? I might be wrong you kinda changed reads a lot today

Read what I wrote yesterday please.

That gets harder to do with these two spamming it up ofc.

So vivax why haven't you voted yet if you're so confident on luca?

Creepy post tbh.
Now I want to wait and reread.

These don't add up to me

Someone else please tell me I shouldn't be worried when someone wants me to place the vote first?

This isn't what I said. I asked why you haven't voted when you said you were so sure on voting Luca and you haven't given an answer

[Hu Tao]

The voices in my head are saying that vivax is not voting hoping for one of us to vote wrong and then hammer

He's hoping you vote me, and then will hammer. That's been the plan all along - he will only bus Darth as a last resort, and then NK me and try to use naery's paranoia against you on D6.

Yeah you or dp. That's what I need to figure out. Makes me kinda think it's vivax and one of you two

Hopefully you can see in the context of what's happening that Darth and vivax are working together, while I'm battling them both at the same time. It's been the case for most of the game.

I'm waiting for vivax to answer but you do make sense here

[Hu Tao]

I guess I also shouldn't rule out scum theater either

[Hu Tao]

Finally a vote

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Luca

I think it's vivax and Luca.

[Hu Tao]

I think it's Naerys and Luca

Sounds about right

[Hu Tao]

WHY DID YOU VOTED

You took too long.

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

the thread is now open for discussion of the game, the mafia team has (expired on 2024-02-27 19:34:19) to request any redactions to their posts

No redactions

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

i would also like to point out the fact that Hu Tao and gob rolled scum together in 2 simultaneous normals lol

This was pretty funny

[Hu Tao]

Thanks all for the compliments, this was a very fun game

[Hu Tao]

me being a mod in both was also hillarious in the "not being able to talk about it" department

Thank you for modding

[Hu Tao]

i think town had a bit of an issue in this game with not having enough players willing to play more of a "supportive role" so to speak, so when it came down to it town had a really hard time forming any type of block or working together

i kinda tried to adjust my play halfway through but it was a little too late to really have any effect i think

distancing between darth and hu tao was very well played, and gob did his job taking townies out on his way out

Yeah I can see that. Day 1 became kinda chaotic in a sense

[Hu Tao]

that moment when gob cried "hu tao help me" lol

He was fr

[Hu Tao]

I've come back to the site after a three year break and in both games lost in melo as town. Probably need another long break after this.

Tbf last game you were very towny and did well, no one scumread you. This one you were on the right track about things too but it's hard to say since this game I'm seeing it from a scum perspective. I think keep playing

[Hu Tao]

I would 100% make that post as town, so I was confused why people thought it was a slip

[Hu Tao]

I probably would vote first as town in that situation at the end like I did last game. Not wait for vivax to vote.

[Hu Tao]

Oh it's 100% on me, don't worry lol.

I hope you play more in the future. It was fun playing with you

[Hu Tao]

My blunt opinion is that the scum win was a lot more poor play by town than good play by scum. Sorry not sorry.

That's a fair take. I still think that no one was really going to be convinced of me and Darth as a team. Even in dead thread no one even thought I was scum when Darth was spoiled as scum

[Hu Tao]

@Hu Tao

When you said you were purposefully playing scummy on day 1, was that you shoving in an excuse for what you felt like could have probably been perceived as scummy play? Like did you see people scumreading you, think "damn, they're probably right", and then write that to throw us off your scent?

I was purposely playing day 1 in a way I knew would pocket people that are familiar with me on the site. And day 2 I did something I thought TL people would like in the fake guilty (not sure if they did or not but I guess it worked)

[Hu Tao]

I thought he was pretty towny. There was also a chance he was pr. That's why I wanted him killed