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[don_johnson]

/confirm

[don_johnson]

^^ what he said.

vote: boxman

post 23 is a modified piggyback reason of of post 22. during rvs, players "randomly" vote other players, however, the "randomness" of many votes is extremely questionable thus prompting scum players to overcompensate in making absolutely sure that their vote is interpreted as in fact, "random". this is clearly what has happened here and boxman should be lynched forthwith. a similar argument could be brought against doombunny, but by being first, he scores points for originality and should thusly be lynched second, as opposed to first. hm.

[don_johnson]

Unreasoned votes attempting to bandwagon me to lynch within a few hours for a single

semi-random

vote are scummy to me, yes.

"semi-random"? please explain.

[don_johnson]

It was semi-random because it's not like a popped out a RNG and used it to get a number - I voted for a reason. A more-or-less random reason, but a reason nonetheless. Hence, semi-random - not completely random.

excellent response.

unvote

here was the rest of my post(i withheld it to hear your answer):

mordys 62 is correct.

roleandgarros 58 is nice as well. my vote was meant to be humorous and to further the game. depending on reactions to the case i can now make better assessments of the parties involved.

mordys 56 is also correct.

I really didn't see what don_johnson saw of Boxman. It's supposed to be RVS, so why give a reason at all? I definitely don't like that quick bandwagon.

rvs consists of random or joke votes. my vote was not random. therefore i offered my reasoning and tossed in some humor. my vote was not to "randomly" begin a bandwagon, but to start one in the best place possible. given the information available at the time, boxman seemed the best place to start and i offered my reasoning as to why.

tjoe 47- the "last" of a list part is what i found comparable. one picked the last on the list, another rewrote the list and chose the last one.

you are saying you are voting him because his vote was random. Correct?

no. incorrect. try again.

You also say I appear scummy for voting Tjoe because he was last alphabetically. However, these are all random just like everyone elses.

no. not like everyone elses. like each others. i didn't say you "appeared scummy", i simply pointed out that the same argument could be made against you that i pointed out against boxman, however, your vote scored points for originality.

For example, Starbuck. She gave no reason for voting Mordy yet you don't find her as acummy as me or box right?

a random vote, by definition, shouldn't really have a reason.

Also, the reason Ross voted Far_Cry was because Far_Cry and Faraday have similar names and this is not as scummy as me or box how?

ross' vote seemed like a joke vote. perfectly acceptable in the rvs.

To me it seems as if your just voting box to be on a bandwagon and not for an actual reason. If you have more reasons why box and I are not scum please tell.

odd statement. odd question. how on earth could i have "more reasons" why you and box are scum? this question was asked on page 2. not much to go on. i felt i laid out my reason for the vote rather succinctly. but whatever.

[don_johnson]

sorry, been busy with school. i need to reread a couple pages here. try to get something up later tonight or early tomorrow.

[don_johnson]

dj's not lurking. he's just been busy. haven't done a thorough read through here, but i agree with the suspicion on starbuck. top of my list is doombunny. they seem too polite, like they're trying real hard to please, but that could simply be overzealous town. i'll update when i can.

[don_johnson]

^^^ who do you think is scum?

[don_johnson]

yeah, yeah, its not like anyone is going to listen to me anyways, but i'll get to it asap.

[don_johnson]

animorph: please expand on your FoS on me. as far as i can tell i haven't FoS'd anyone today, but you claim i did. also, please clarify what you disagree with in regards to my definition of "random". as far as i can tell i never posted a "definition", but i would like some clarification from you.

doombunny: i'll post when i get the chance. if anyone has questions for me or wants my opinion on something they can address me directly. references to particular posts help, as i rarely have time to reread large amounts of material.

[don_johnson]

^^ ok, so it's going to be one of

those

games.

i am now officially entering "skim" mode until further notice.

anyone care to garner my vote towards a lynch?

[don_johnson]

vote: animorphery

"oh no he didn't!"

yes. he did.

[don_johnson]

is it an either/or for you? if so, what's the reason? currently ani seems the worse of it, but i certainly agree with the scum read on doom.

[don_johnson]

i'll pm you, but i can cross replace.

[don_johnson]

DJ, you're definitely lurking a lot more this game than the last one we played together (where you were town and IIRC, I was scum). Any particular reason why?

mostly rl time constraints. also, i try to play differently in each game to a certain extent to avoid "meta" references. but no, no real particular reason. things seem to be humming along without me and the quote walls are a bit over the top.

[don_johnson]

^^ are you really trying to be scummy here, or does it just come naturally?

fyi: 250 is a great example of what i mentioned earlier with doombunny's play.

[don_johnson]

DJ why are you voting Ani atm?

You seem to think Bunny is scum, if I can read correctly. I'm not really seeing much in post 250, either way, could you explain a little more.

sure. earlier i said this:

top of my list is doombunny. they seem too polite, like they're trying real hard to please, but that could simply be overzealous town. i'll update when i can.

250 backs that theory up imo. db seems to be trying to play both sides of the fence with everyone. trying not to step on anyones toes. i don't like it as it seems like an over the top effort to appear "townie".

ani vote is more or less because of his reaction to my "does someone want to garner my vote?" post. i don't think i've played scummy, but the fact that he didn't question me on my motives(as you just have) seemed like a scum reaction.

at this point i am seriously considering switching to doombunny as his play just seems consistently "soft". can't think of a better way to describe it, but he seems to be avoiding

any

sort of conflict.

[don_johnson]

doombunny: wouldn't you rather have a claim at L-2?

[don_johnson]

TBH I don't really care if it's at L-2 or L-1 I would personally like a claim at L-1 though because if someone quickly decides to change their mind (like we had here) then the claim would be a waste.

an L-1 claim leaves the lynchee vulnerable to quick lynch. it doesn't bother you that a powerrole would be claiming at L-1?

i think i'd rather lynch db, but if not, do we want a claim?

[don_johnson]

animorph: who do you think is scum and why?

[don_johnson]

we are all power roles, the fact that mordys doesn't know this is unsettling.

[don_johnson]

let's get an answer from mordys before we get a claim.

[don_johnson]

ani should be dead. nameclaiming ius against the rules. read post 5.

[don_johnson]

^^

requesting mod kill

"oh no he didn't?"

yes. he did.

[don_johnson]

i have to go with my gut here and think spyrex must be scum. sorry, man, but you should get whacked night one, all the time, when you are town.

spyrex: who do you think is scum?

[don_johnson]

so animorph may have been scum? that's a bit difficult to fathom here. anyways, i think a reread is in order.

i think starbuck is clear without a counterclaim. do neighbors always come in pairs? i am a bit unfamiliar with the role. i guess i'll wiki it, but i assume its like masons.

starbuck: you said this:

We had to decide together who we wanted to track and he never showed up and consequently died, so I lost the ability and am now pretty much just a VT.

are you saying that he died because he didn't show up, or do you mean it was coincidence? i am lost a bit on the wording.

[don_johnson]

I'm being completely honest because I'm pissed off and I want the town to win. I wanted to be open and honest about everything now so later down the line, it can't be held against me. You guys are going down the wrong track by wanting to lynch me. I'm not scum. If you want to continue pursuing the lynch, so be it, but the scum are just going to be sitting back laughing their asses off.

whose trying to lynch you? i saw a couple votes, but it doesn't look like anyones pushing...

[don_johnson]

acceptable reasoning, however, you have offered nothing in the way of suspects.

[don_johnson]

reread. i posted my initial suspicion already. but whatever, i'm not going to dog you here. i would however like more in the way of analysis and less AtE. the emotion makes it much more difficult to read you.

[don_johnson]

you mean, "what emotion other than every post i've posted on day 2 which has been packed with the emotion of being pissed off?" you have been nothing but emotion so far since the sunrise. do you really want to continue this argument, or are you willing to accept that don_johnson is the kind of person that just won't let it go when he's right?

[don_johnson]

flavor generally doesn't indicate anything in these games. that said, there is no reason to press starbuck on the issue. a counterclaim nabs us scum. without one the point is moot.

for shits and giggles, perhaps his phone was full of texts that starbuck sent him and he never returned.

[don_johnson]

please don't stop including flavor.

vote: Tjoe

obvscum. someone should investigate her. lynching at this point is stupid. her role is as confirmed as it can be, and her alignment can be discovered other ways. continuing to push this angle is distracting from actual scumhunting imo, and the behavior itself should be indicative of lazy scum latching onto the "easy" suspicion.

[don_johnson]

I think it's a pretty huge coincidence that Starbuck's partner who stood her up last night (and is, therefore, the only person who could verify or debunk her story) also happened to be a night lynch.

^^ this is terrible. the existence of one neighbor means the existence of another. a counterclaim debunks her story and we have none.

FoS: Mordys

odd. you were doing so well.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote SK

yeah, what spyrex said. he's really good at scumhunting. i will be enormously surprised if he survives too many more nights. i don't really get the starbuck/don pairing. she claimed neighbor. theres no reason to be suspicious of that at this point. there are others who are not suspicious of her as well. are they her scumpartners?

[don_johnson]

at present, I'm liking the don/tjoe pairing. seriously don? you're voting me for no reason beyond "what spyre said". Nice that I have a case I can defend against and all.

if the case spyre stated is bad then defend against it. if there is no case then you should be at least somewhat equally suspicious of him as you are of me.

[don_johnson]

i never said starbuck was "clear" due to her claim. i just said it was stupid to argue the truthfulness of it. shadow knight: wonderful omgus and deflection. i will ask you again, if the case is bad, debunk it for us.

[don_johnson]

^^ exactly.

[don_johnson]

^^ interesting.

[don_johnson]

^^ you are ignoring the evidence he has presented. you say you were away, and he says you weren't. what gives?

[don_johnson]

you are doing nothing but being emotional and complaining.

unvote, vote: starbuck

somethings not right here. if you are in the military you shouldn't be so whiny.

"oh no he didn't!"
yes. he did.

[don_johnson]

^^ nice omgus. your scumhunting is magnificent. perhaps you would care to address the "case" presented by tjoe? you say you had no time to post. he has presented evidence of 36 posts during this time period. sounds like you had plenty of time. again: what gives?

[don_johnson]

I'm not worried about the outside influences - but IS there 36 posts on site between posts here in this game?

(too busy to check)

i don't know. i haven't checked. it seems like a solid accusation that, if untrue, starbuck could simply explain away and debunk. the fact that she is choosing not to is kind of like what shadowknight seems to be doing with you. i.e. avoiding a pertinent issue. i mean, if somebody said, "hey spyrex, you haven't posted anywhere between x and y," and you had, then you'd just link us to the posts that were between x and y. right? the evidence presented is allegedly tangible.

[don_johnson]

relax, scarlet.

unvote

tjoe: rebuttal?

[don_johnson]

vote: shadowknight

funny how you comment on the tjoe/starbuck case like you were involved. i think spyrex is voting you, so nice AtE. if you read, you'll see that starbuck was ready to roll over and take a lynch. a little sarcasm and pressure seemed to help get her a bit more involved in her own defense, thus exposing the issues with tjoe's case. you call tjoe's case "crap", but only after starbuck's explanation. if you thought it was crap before, why didn't you say anything?

[don_johnson]

do you honestly have trouble reading your computer screen? you seem to have a knack for not answering rather direct questions when you post. to reiterate:

funny how you comment on the tjoe/starbuck case like you were involved. i think spyrex is voting you, so nice AtE. if you read, you'll see that starbuck was ready to roll over and take a lynch. a little sarcasm and pressure seemed to help get her a bit more involved in her own defense, thus exposing the issues with tjoe's case. you call tjoe's case "crap", but only after starbuck's explanation.

if you thought it was crap before, why didn't you say anything

?

[don_johnson]

Are you *seriously* that thick? I wasn't logged on before that point. Tjoe made his full case which consisted entirely of NOTHING at 4:04AM on Friday. I logged in and posted my thoughts on it this morning at 7:51AM. Before he went to the trouble of spelling out how crappy his case was, I was still voting you for the "if you don't like my vote on you, you should defend yourself against the case made by the guy I'm barning, not point out how scummy my barning him is. and you should *definitely* be voting him, not me as I didn't even add anything to it." Anyone else planning to unload crap in here? Just let me know, I'll bring my hip waders and a clothespin for my nose next time I check back.

try bringing your "big boy" pants, too. when did i say you should be "voting" anyone? all i said is that you were choosing not to respond to his case.

*checks*

you still haven't.

[don_johnson]

I'm pretty sure without looking that your comment was about the fact that I voted you, but not Spyre. That translates as you believe I should be voting him as opposed to you, does it not?

maybe you should look. it has nothing to do with voting. its the fact that you are not addressing the point he brought up.

That would be because there is no case. His entire case was that I wasn't providing content and/or scumhunting.

mmmm, no. again: maybe you should look.

In the interest of not posting 2 walls of text, I'm trying to figure out which of you I want to put the time and effort into building a case on.

why not post two walls of text? or better yet: why not try and build concise and readable cases against those you believe to be scum? whats going to sway your decision here? are you going to simply choose themore active player so you have more material to slice and dice, or are you going to investigate both players? if you investigate both players, why not post two "walls" on your findings? you seem to be implying that you are simply going to ignore one of us here, and i see no reason for that if you feel both of us are scum.

[don_johnson]

^^ no. you cannot lay out a "crap" case(which is what you are acknowledging it as if you are calling it 'gambit') and then attack your supporters. my vote was clearly to pressure starbuck into answering pertinent questions which you laid out. once answered i removed my vote while she was at L-1 and went back to my previous vote(which, in case you haven't noticed, is vote to pressure shadowknight into answering pertinent questions raised by spyrex.)

FoS Tjoe

for the uber scummy backtrack here.

spyrex: where are you with all of this?

[don_johnson]

@Starbuck : What I mean is I won't talk about your "post record issue" again
I ask for your explanation and when you give it I consider it "done"

so what is wrong with other players doing the exact same thing?

now you said that it was "crap"
how about DJ and boxman who seems "interested" and think that it deserve L-2 and L-1?
I'm seeing this in two way :
1. DJ and/or boxman really convinced with my story
2. DJ and/or boxman is scum who wanna get a lynch

^^ somewhat of a false dilemma. can't speak for box, but my vote was due to the fact that you presented evidence which starbuck avoided dealing with. when she dealt with it, i removed my vote. if i were scum then why did i remove my vote so quickly? i.e. i could have easily lurked a page or so to see if somebody wanted to hammer, but as soon as i read starbuck's rebuttal i acquiesced.

unvote, vote: tjoe

how's that for a vote hop?

"oh no he didn't?"
yes. he did.

[don_johnson]

L-1? hm, how exciting. let's have the claim.

[don_johnson]

which is it?

if you hand out items, do you know what they are?

[don_johnson]

any reason you not answer second question?

[don_johnson]

ninja'd.

go ahead and pm the mod. i don't think talking about whether or not you know what you are handing out is going to get you modkilled. if you can give things to people then you should be semi-confirmable, no?

unvote

discuss.

[don_johnson]

if you don't want to get lynched i suggest you pm the mod with a paraphrased version of what you are able to do and have him edit it to suit the thread. very simple solution. much better than "assuming" things.

[don_johnson]

a) if you have that many items then you sure as hell should be able to hand out items in the day time. doing this may confirm your role.

b) i second jere's question of what you did last night.

[don_johnson]

faraday: so its scummy to pressure other players to respond to cases brought against them that contain tangible evidence?

you realize that you are now voting for someone who has backed off two wagons that were at L-1?

spyrex: lovin it. i am much surprised that oone is coming forward and acknowledging receipt of an item from our 'inventor". seems silly for him not to have used his ability last night, and if someone is witholding info then they are most likely scum so i see no reason for tjoe to be protecting his target here.

[don_johnson]

unvote

I can't imagine a scum inventor, and I don't think Faraday is scum, so I'm guessing this is legit.

maybe you're not trying hard enough.

vote: tjoe

spyrex brings up a good point. again.

[don_johnson]

^^ why? is it my voting pattern?

[don_johnson]

if people are going to hold my voting pattern against me, then it logically follows that my unvoting pattern also be taken into account. i haven't really camped my vote anywhere to threaten lynch until my recent revote of tjoe. i find jere's calling me out for "bandwagon" to be entirely one-sided analysis of my play. do i just come off as scum regardless of how hard i try to help? this is depressing.

[don_johnson]

^^ what do you like least? is it shadowknight?

[don_johnson]

interesting fact: doombunny posted v/la notice that he would not be around through 9/29. probably why he didn't show up to the QT. funny that noone has noticed that.

[don_johnson]

The case on DJ is as follows:

this should be good.

1- his second post of the game is the 3rd vote on boxman. In that post, he basically barns Mordy whose only reason for voting boxman was "let's get things moving." He then tacks on a convoluted case as to why boxman is scummier than doombunny which reads like scum trying to justify a vote.

lol. talk about "convoluted".

2- After letting boxman get interrogated by Faraday and others for a page and a half, Dj comes back and asks him to clarify what he means by semi-random. Boxman answers and DJ comes back to say he finds the answer satisfactory (bosman said it was semi random because he didn't actually use a random number generator).

Post just feels weird.

After dropping a 3rd vote on someone and actually posting reasons why (meaning it wasn't just a bandwagon-y vote), you unvoted after just one question of your own.

i happened to agree with box. this kind of doesn't support your number 1. if i was going to come up with a convoluted justification for a vote, why on earth would i unvote after one question of my own.

3- Disappears for a while, cites school, but pops back in when someone mentions that he's lurking to agree with the case on starbuck and throw some dirt on doombunny.

yes. i attend school. the first month was quite busy. any evidence in regards to "dirt"?

4- Disappears again until Spyre shows up and votes me. Asks me who I think is scum. Disappears again until Faraday asks him to update his scum list. Says he will update soon. Disappears *again* until animorph Fos's him. Comes back and asks ani to expand on his FOS reasoning and tells doombunny "i'll post when i get the chance. if anyone has questions for me or wants my opinion on something they can address me directly." Which is now kinda funny as I'm pretty sure part of the case against me is that I didn't comment on some things and had to be asked direct questions.

again, you have this wrong. the case on you was because you avoided your interrogator and instead attacked the captain's parrot.

5- Finally shows up again after my wall-o-text and votes.... animorph?

you are forgetting this:

ani vote is more or less because of his reaction to my "does someone want to garner my vote?" post. i don't think i've played scummy, but the fact that he didn't question me on my motives(as you just have) seemed like a scum reaction.

6- after Spyre says that he things either ani or doom is scum, he posts this:

is it an either/or for you? if so, what's the reason? currently ani seems the worse of it, but i certainly agree with the scum read on doom.

Which to me reads: "I think both are scummy but ani is more so."

no. read me in iso. i believe i was actually leaning towards doom.

*snipped*

This is a big blip on the scumdar. Meta is meta. I've yet to see anyone reliably change their play *every* game.

read my meta, jackass. you can't make this statement and use it as evidence if you're not going to back it up in regards to me.

Again, I bolded the parts that stuck out to me. What townie worries about playing scummy?

obviously not me.

And ani is scummy because he *didn't* attack you, but I'm scummy because I *did*?

false dichotomy here. ani didn't attack me when i popped in with a vague question. you attacked me when you should have been responding to spyrex. apples to oranges here.

The next bit is just odd because over pages 11 and 12, he seems to throw dirt on ani, doom, and mordy. and post 296 is just wrong. I've never liked tattletales IRL and that post screams scum trying to get a free kill via modkill.

maintaining the game state is all players responsibility. ani broke the rules, nothing wrong with a modkill. not the first time i have utilized the modkill to garner information. unfortunately, in this case it backfired. are you sure ani was even town? he claimed doctor. odds of lynching the doctor on day1 are less than lynching scum.

Day 2 opens with DJ sayint Spyre must be scum due to not being nightkilled and asking Apyre who he thinks is scum.

running joke. though statistics support my theory.

So far today, DJ has been suspicious of Starbuck, Tjoe, Mordy, and me with this last post that screams barning and blew up my scumdar.

so presenting factual evidence is "barning"? i am unfamiliar with the term. do you disagree with my statement? i don't think i am even voting starbuck, and for part of the day i have been defending her.

unvote, vote SK

yeah,

what spyrex said

. he's really good at scumhunting. i will be enormously surprised if he survives too many more nights. i don't really get the starbuck/don pairing. she claimed neighbor. theres no reason to be suspicious of that at this point. there are others who are not suspicious of her as well. are they her scumpartners?

The bolding is his reason for voting me. This is the first time he's even mentioned me all day 2, so Spyre must have had an AWESOME case posted, right? Here it is.

So the Neutral Survivor flip means nothing and I get to assume he was telling the truth and we're down a PR from that and last night.

Which also means I was balls out wrong on my call with them. Awesome.

Unvote, Vote: SK

Tjoe seems far too transparent. I'm not buying it.

However, not buying this, still

.

bolded and underlined is why you are being lynched. this is not the case against you. this is an extension of his earlier case to which you have not responded.

Does anyone else see something wrong here??

yes, we should have lynched you already.

unvote, vote shadow knight

i'm not as stupid as i look.

[don_johnson]

^^ is this considered "barning"?

[don_johnson]

Yo, Dj. Does this mean you weren't serious? It certaintly came across as serious.

semiserious, semijoke. it will be more serious if he is alive tomorrow. read day1 of streets of verone for the stats. i am not going to regurgitate them here.

[don_johnson]

dj makes sense.

[don_johnson]

I sometimes wish I was a dayvig, just once

Anyway, still quite happy w/ a DJ lynch. He's done nothing to change my mind imo.

Spyrex still looks fairly towntowntown. Boxman be rubbing me the wrong way (mind out of the gutter, plz ) so i'll probs go back and read him in iso when i get a chance.
Aka wednesday or tomorrow, have exams tuesday.

the dj wagon isn't happening. shadow knight is getting lynched today. please get with the program.

[don_johnson]

i am currently voting shadowknight. try reading. it helps.

[don_johnson]

that would be silly.

but seriously. are you ignoring shadow's issues? what points that he made against me to you agree with? what part of my response to his case do you disagree with?

[don_johnson]

i don't sound scummy. if i do it is obviously not intentional. i thought my response to shadow's case was quite good. but whatever.

[don_johnson]

yes. claim time. i'm don_johnson. i like fast cars and loose women.

[don_johnson]

trying to figure that out myself. i was interpreting it as i would the phrase "piggybacking".

[don_johnson]

I'm not using his lurking as a reason to lynch him. I'm pointing out that when he *is* here, he's avoiding responsibility for his actions by touting Spyre's scum-hunting ability. I think that Spyre actually *believes* his case against me. I think DJ is opportunistically egging on a townie who has decided to attack another townie. That is why I'm voting DJ, not Spyre.

a) i'm not lurking.

b) why does spyrex get to *believe* his case, and i don't? do you realize that by attacking me you are simply deflecting the case against you?

c) are you ever going to respond to spyrex?

[don_johnson]

What. Do. You. Want. Me. To. Answer?

the questions i posed:

do you realize that by attacking me you are simply deflecting the case against you?

c) are you ever going to respond to spyrex?

you got 2 out of 3.

Please post a direct question and i will answer it to the best of my ability. Spyre gets to believe his case because HE posted it. You just typed "me too". You are not currently lurking, no. You did have periods of inactivity earlier in the game.

please post a direct question and i will answer it to the best of my ability.

i.e. what's your point? everyone here has periods of inactivity. are we all scum?

you're missing the point in my vote:

I'm pretty sure without looking that your comment was about the fact that I voted you, but not Spyre. That translates as you believe I should be voting him as opposed to you, does it not?

maybe you should look. it has nothing to do with voting. its the fact that you are not addressing the point he brought up.

That would be because there is no case. His entire case was that I wasn't providing content and/or scumhunting.

mmmm, no. again: maybe you should look.

In the interest of not posting 2 walls of text, I'm trying to figure out which of you I want to put the time and effort into building a case on.

why not post two walls of text? or better yet: why not try and build concise and readable cases against those you believe to be scum? whats going to sway your decision here? are you going to simply choose themore active player so you have more material to slice and dice, or are you going to investigate both players? if you investigate both players, why not post two "walls" on your findings? you seem to be implying that you are simply going to ignore one of us here, and i see no reason for that if you feel both of us are scum.

just for reference since it seems so many players missed this. sk, you never acknowledged or responded to the case spyrex brought against you. all you did was attack me for hopping your wagon. now, your case on me is what exactly?

[don_johnson]

i think bodyguards die if the person they are protecting gets targeted. funny, both lynch candidates for both days have claimed some sort of protective role. what are the odds?

[don_johnson]

Yea this is scum stalling. A claim takes a minute. A fakeclaim takes a lifetime.

excelletn post, sir. right on the money.

[don_johnson]

if i had a hammer,
i'd hammer in the morning,
i'd hammer in the evening,
all over this land!

[don_johnson]

^^ vin seems more like a bodyguard. i doubt ani was doc. i think he may very well have been scum.

[don_johnson]

Based on the info we gathered from Ani before he was modkilled and the info that we have on SK, I am definitely not feeling an SK lynch.

can u elaborate?

[don_johnson]

how does that little tidbit correlate to sk being a bad lynch?

[don_johnson]

Because a good chunk of everyone is going off the fact that there can't be a doctor and a bodyguard in the same game. I definitely think that Animo was lying about being a doctor, and that a bodyguard is feasible.

just as feasible as a scum bodyguard imo. none of us are vanilla. the claim doesn't negate the scumminess.

[don_johnson]

also, i think some players are suspicious of the claim because of the time its taking to get answers from sk, and not just because of the claim itself. in fact, i would venture a guess that only about 10% of the suspicion surrounding sk has to do with his claim. he's gotten himself to the gallows with a bunch of other maneuvers. there is really no need to run someone else up to claim at this point. if we mislynch, we mislynch a power role regardless. we are all power roles. "bodyguard" isn't all that good anyway, if his ability works, it still doesn't clear anyone as we have no way of knowing who he's taking the bullet for.

its time to lynch him.

[don_johnson]

how you like me now?

oh yeah. spyrex is waaaayyyyyyyy town!

[don_johnson]

^^ needs to be investigated a bit more.

[don_johnson]

vote: boxman

"oh no he didn't!"

yes. he did.

[don_johnson]

ebwop: wait.

spyrex: why are we voting boxman?

[don_johnson]

^^ come on, now. we can't all be don_johnson.

[don_johnson]

Oddly enough on a general standpoint I'm shocked and bothered by the fact with a whole mess of powers we haven't had ANYTHING happen information-wise from them after two nights.

there were no-kills last night. i think its too early for a massclaim, but i'd bank on two things here:

a) it is improbable to think that an anti-town faction would "no-kill" after losing their godfather.

b) most likely scenario is successful protects/roleblocks.

perhaps we are light in the investigation department and heavy in "protection". if we are, then animorph was most likely not "doctor" as he claimed and was, in fact, scum.

unfortunately, it would not be prudent to proceed at this juncture believing two scum to be down when the reality is only one confirmed.

on a side note: if sk was godfather, and ani was likely scum, would it be more likely for remaining scum to bus, or prevent the sk lynch?

faraday was not on the wagon yesterday and should remain a suspect. now he has backed off the mordy wagon after a lame response. duly noted.

[don_johnson]

ebwop: there were no-kills last night.

should read: there were no kills last night.

[don_johnson]

Its too early for a massclaim, yes.

However, I did (or so I thought) made it pretty clear that assuming two non-town kills that I stopped at least one of them. Because they targeted me. SUCKERS.

porque?

[don_johnson]

^ Wait what.

Come again? I assumed the same thing, b/c they targeted me.

double porque?

[don_johnson]

I'm assuming someone tried to kill me last night.

porque?

[don_johnson]

I'm down with that and strongly advise not showing our hand at the moment figuring the nuances out.

uh. okay, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable.

faraday: vote boxman.

[don_johnson]

I wasn't planning on hammering him, but I'm questioning the quickness of this wagon.

i am questioning your questioning of the quickness of this wagon.

if you don't plan on hammering him, then what's the problem? do you think he is town? if so, do you think one of jer, KoC, are scum? if so, why?

in other news: don_johnson does not like directtv or their billing practices.

"oh no he didn't!"

yes. he did.

[don_johnson]

yes. claim. now.

[don_johnson]

DJ, seems VERY overconfident today. I need to go back and re-read a bit.

as opposed to when?

you don't need to reread. you need to think of some more bullshit.

[don_johnson]

you don't need to reread. you need to think of some more bullshit.

Your rudeness is not needed or warranted.

kind of like your appeals to emotion.

*sigh* sorry. sometimes dj doesn't know when to say when.

speaking of which: do you have any opinions now, or are we going to have to wait for your reread?

[don_johnson]

well then. it wouldn't be a bandwagon without don_johnson!

unvote, vote: starbuck

oh, i'm sorry. was that rude?

[don_johnson]

^^ precisely.

[don_johnson]

^^ trudat.


btw, starbuck: not a racist. not sure if you've ever watched monty python, but "kniggit" was a comedic reference. nice summary of my game play though. i love how you took all the quotes out of context and everything. spot on for a textbook "desperate scum trying to lynch anyone but myself" thing.

[don_johnson]

mordy/starbuck/sk

ani was third party?

really now. why the unvote?

you can ask questions of the two players in question without unvoting. are you worried that one of them is scum and that they will hammer without contributing? if that was the case, why take away the oppurtunity for them to implicate themselves as scum?

FoS: Mordys

[don_johnson]

i don't think ani was "doctor". therefore he was fakeclaiming. therefore he is either scum or third party(sk, survivor, etc.)

I think you are scum, i think mordy is trying to get out of lynching you, therefore he is scum. not really sure. perhaps you are town and mordy is scum distancing himself from the lynch? or perhaps we have two 2 player scumteams? i don't really know here, but i don't see any reason to unvote you if he is suspicious of the other two players. leaving you at L-1 let's him gauge their contributions and voting pattern much more definitively imo than unvoting you.

[don_johnson]

i disagree. but whatever. if starbuck flips town then tomorrow should probably be a mass claim. at that point, the inventor role would become more clear as well as faraday/spyrex. if everything pans out for those roles(and unless this lynch is a town win) it will most likely be dj/mordys tomorrow.

*takes off t-shirt. points to "uber-town" tatooed on chest.*

"let's do this."

[don_johnson]

What bothers me about Faraday/JereIC/Knights of Cydonia is that, even when they participate, they're really coasting during this game. It's not townie behavior. There's been almost no scum-hunting or discussion out of them. The whole thing has gotten me very paranoid, and I'm starting to feel like almost anyone could be a good lynch at this point. (I have very few super town reads, and a lot of neutral/wavering-scum reads.)

they have all claimed some sort of evidentiary facets. i.e. one is claimed inventor, two have claimed to have recieved inventions. faraday has shown some scumhunting(just not very good). also, we have two conflicting softclaims which methinks will make it easy to find the sk if the scumteam is, in fact starbuck/shadow/animorph.

i'd rather not discuss this more at this time, but some sort of contribution(including, but not solely consisting of, a hammer) should be made by the three players in question.

[don_johnson]

For being inconsistent and contradicting yourself more than once

a) i wasn't going to bother with this, but i might as well. you took my quotes out of context. during the "neighbor" discussion i was defending your "role" as confirmed, not your alignment. at first i thought your alignment may be confirmed especially coupled with the fact that at that time you hadn't done anything i saw as scummy, but when the nature of the role itself was revealed i didn't once attempt to say you were confirmed as town. regardless, the quotes you pulled were in regards to role and not alignment, so yeah.

b) if contradicting oneself is a scumtell then you should be self voting, no?

The last thing that Ani said was that he was a doctor, so I figured that since this whole game is PRs that Afatchic would not reveal Ani's role to us, and therefore paint them as a neutral survivor. I have seen this done

once

before in the Large Theme Death Note game that I played in.

Most mods when they modkill make that person (whether scum or not) a neutral survivor. You've been on this site long enough that you should know that.

so you have one experience with this sort of thing and suddenly its "most mods"?

another nice contradiction is your stance on how scum act towards their scumbuddies wagon(which by your own logic should clear me) but continue to push suspicion on me. seriously, if you are town, you are doing quite terrible.

funny, now that you see a dj wagon won't take off you are starting to be more suspicious of others. thing with ani is this: he claimed doctor. which means he isn't bodyguard because a townie wouldn't lie. so he is either doc or scum. i don't think he was doc.

you never voted animorph. you FoS's his predecessor, but never got on the wagon. interesting.

anyways, sorry if i bother you that much. i'm here to have fun. if i've made you uncomfortable i apologize. enjoy your hanging.

[don_johnson]

Is that absolutely necessary? Do you have no tact at all?

no, but its funny.

and yes. no tact here. have we met?

[don_johnson]

KoC, couple things:

the animorph vote was later explained. you fail to address that.

Requesting a mod-kill on a claimed doctor? Not pro-town. Not pro-town at all.

if you think hard enough, then there are a couple situations in which my call for mod-kill makes perfect sense. also, regardless of those situations i believe in fair play. all players are responsible for maintaining a balanced and rule abiding game state.

And who put him to L-1, then unvoted as soon as the power was claimed? Don Johnson. Patterns, they are emerging.

unvoting a claimed power role at L-1 is null tell at best.

SK makes a decent case as scum

please clarify this statement. are you saying that SK made a decent case on someone else? or are you saying that SK, himself, looked like a decent case as scum?

DJ one-lines it away, and basically becomes zwet but less entertaining.

KoC: do you think Animorph was town or scum?

if town, then he was doctor because town has no reason to lie. if we lost our doctor day 1, how do you explain the absence of ANY nightkills on night 2?

what are your thoughts on the case against starbuck? oh, which reminds me:

When she has posted, she's answered the questions levelled at her: but it's the silences people are playing on.

^^ NO. the initial pressure on star may have had to do with lurking, but it was her continued avoidance of the issue and reluctance to answer the case against her which brought more of a shitstorm. it was only until she did answer that she was unvoted and the pressure decreased.

[don_johnson]

Yes, it is. Putting the L-1 vote on with no reasoning, ordering a claim, then jumping off straight after that claim, however, is NOT a null-tell. And that's what you did.

so you are saying that a townie wouldn't get off the wagon of a claimed power role? this is wifom, btw.

Misrepresentation here.

no. you read it wrong. the second quote was responded to with the frowning face. it makes me sad that you don't find me entertaining.

i asked you to clarify your statement about SK and the "decent case". apparently, you think that SK(confirmed scum) presented a "decent case" against me. do i have that right?

I think he was town, and I think he probably was a protective role of some sort.

he claimed doctor. what reason on earth would a townie who is not doctor claim doctor? by claiming doctor when one is not doctor, one invites a counterclaim from the real doctor. are you saying that you think animorph was a complete moron? i don't think you are.

anitown=doctor. no other logical explanation. not a "protective role of some sort". doctor or scum. no other logical conclusion.

...so you're agreeing with me? She didn't "avoid the issue", you just didn't like the (valid, IMHO) answers you got. When she said what you wanted to hear, you let off and jumped on other wagons.

exsqueeze me? no, you stated this:

When she has posted, she's answered the questions levelled at her: but

it's the silences people are playing on

.

people weren't "playing" on the silences. someone made a case against her when she claimed that she didn't have time for this game. the evidence presented was presented in a way which made it look like star was lieing about the reasons surrounding her inactivity. she

refused to address

what was a completely and entirely refutable case based on time-stamped posts. it was her refusal to address the case which brought more pressure. when she chose to address the case and did so in a way that showed the case was poor, suspicion naturally moved to the player who had made the case. i am not the only player who followed this line of suspicion by a long shot.

she didn't answer the questions levelled at her until pressure was applied. if we agree, then we agree that starbuck has only responded to pressure and nothing more.

[don_johnson]

fun fact: there is no character named vin in the fast and furious film series according to the wiki. in fact, vin is the name of the actor playing dominic, who is brian's friend in the movie. brian is the confirmed scum in this thread.

mod: am i out of bounds with my investigative tactics here?

how am i only responding to pressure? please find an example in this thread where i have avoided responding to anyone. you can't do it. sure i have some one-liners, but every question tossed my way has been answered post-haste.

You're arguing points of semantics

which ones? i don't recall arguing semantics with you.

I'm saying a townie wouldn't put a vote on as you did with NO reasoning, purely for the claim, then jump off again.

i jumped off to avoid a quicklynch. if you continue reading you will see where i actually jump on again. so which is it? is "on" scummy or "off"? are you sure i placed my vote with no reasoning?

There are several different types of Doctor. anitown could have been a Weak Doctor, an Insane Doctor (chance to kill patient), a Illiterate Doctor (Can't measure doses properly, so can't protect 2 nights in a row on one person or they die - I've used this role before in Chzo Mafia, if you're going to go "Never seen it"), he could quite easily have been lying and actually been a bodyguard. Think about it - a bodyguard dies in place of the person they protect. By claiming doctor, ani would (if he hadn't gotten himself modkilled) have drawn a kill away - precisely what a bodyguard does.

and that is worth the risk of exposing the "real" doctor and losing two town power roles at once? i don't think so.

[don_johnson]

ebwop: also, please stop crying "misrep". asking questions of you to clarify your stance is not misrep. making broad statements without seeking clarification is.

[don_johnson]

vin=/=vincent.

possible, but unlikely. he clearly wrote "vin".

so, do you agree with KoC in that ani possibly fakeclaimed "doctor" as town?

how do you feel about KoC's accusations against me?

[don_johnson]

also: vincent was a member of dominic's crew. dominic's crew is a gang of car thieves and hi-jackers, no?

[don_johnson]

KoC and starbuck:

i really don't know what either of you are talking about. if there is an issue i haven't addressed(or more than one) please post it(them).

You know what, Mr. Awesome? You want me dead, you make a case and cast a vote. Just because you've got DJ doing everything you say doesn't mean you can expect a vig to do the same.

sucks for you if i'm a vig.

not sure what to make of mod's post, but i don't think it has a tremendous amount of bearing on this. which reminds me:

The last thing that Ani said was that he was a doctor, so I figured that since this whole game is PRs that Afatchic would not reveal Ani's role to us, and therefore paint them as a neutral survivor. I have seen this done once before in the Large Theme Death Note game that I played in.
.........................................
Most mods when they modkill make that person (whether scum or not) a neutral survivor. You've been on this site long enough that you should know that.

so you have one experience with this sort of thing and suddenly its "most mods"?

did you miss this one? its almost like a chicken/egg thing.

as in: you're just makin' shit up as you go along. you've been doing it all game.

KoC: i second the questioning of your aggression towards me. can't we kill each other like civilized people?

[don_johnson]

i'm not going to spam the thread at this time by responding to starbuck. i have answered all questions thrown at me. her arguments are terrible imo, and she seems to be rehashing the same points over and over. also, the two "cases" she seems to have posted read more like summaries than anything investigative. if she flips town then i will surely read over what she has been contributing, but at this time i am convinced she is flailing scum. especially with her giant appeal to emotion. i am considering finding games she is in and replacing into them just for shits and giggles.

talk more if you must, but i fully endorse a hammer on this lynch.

[don_johnson]

Ignoring IS a scumtell.

again: please point out in a pro-town fashion what it is that i have ignored. are there any lingering questions? list exactly what it is i have not addressed and i will address it. as it stands, you are reposting the same accusations over and over and completely misrepresenting the issues surrounding your own case. noone is voting you for your silence. if you really want me to shred your giant post i am happy to do it, but i don't see the point. you are getting lynched today. deal with it. post more analysis. if you know you'll flip town then your posting shouldn't be in vain. right now it just seems like you are more interested in personal survival than you are in a town win.

[don_johnson]

I reposted my case because Jere said he never saw it and said that I was just voting you with no reasoning behind it.

so then: what am i ignoring?

[don_johnson]

i've read them. i offered my interpretation. that's not "ignoring". if you flip town i will reread what you have said, but without a town flip your posts present as nothing more than summaries with skewed, and extremely biased commentary that is unsupported by logical thought. the case against you is solid. you have done nothing to refute it but lash out at others. it is you who have ignored the circumstances of your own demise.

please. if you have a question just ask. if not...

[don_johnson]

^^ well put, sir.

[don_johnson]

*opens toolbox*

"let's see... screwdriver, check. tape measure, check. socket wrench, check. hammer, ? hammer, ?"

*closes box. looks puzzled*

"does anyone have a hammer?"

[don_johnson]

i certainly won't be offering him any protection tonight. no hard feelings, i think you are actually quite fun to play with.

[don_johnson]

i don't see why KoC is confirmed in alignment to anyone. he will not be recieving protection either.

[don_johnson]

quick night. awesome. i'm down with mass claim.

[don_johnson]

why would i claim watcher? i mean serioualy, how many hints does a guy need to drop with this crowd?

i'm a one-shot doc.

[don_johnson]

i may or may not have used my ability.

vote: jereic

cut and dry here. an sk, mafia, survivor, AND vig?

[don_johnson]

to clarify: my role is not "doctor". i have a one-shot doc ability.

i would have to reread to find my own train of thought, but

a) i didn't want to reveal i had the ability myself, and

b) i thought it plausible for their to be another doc ability in the mix.

the more i thought about it, the less i believed it.

i absolutely did not protect faraday.

[don_johnson]

spyrex is probably scum.

[don_johnson]

sweet. a town vig claim will always have trouble floating when i'm alive.

[don_johnson]

JereIC: Dominic (Mafia Goon)
Shadow Knight: Brian (Undercover Cop/Double Agent. Godfather)
Animorpherv1: Vince (Mafia Goon)

Glad to see that I'm right when it comes to the fact that Animo WAS NOT a Neutral Survivor. Yes, I was wrong on his alignment, but I was right to think that he wasn't one.

i was the only one believing him to be scum. your lynch was necessary but i think you handled it well with your late day interactions with jereic. i did my best to draw an nk to get myself out of the game, but oh well. overall i had a lot of fun.

[don_johnson]

sort of. i would have asked for a modkill anyways though. i thought he was scum and i like modkills. it makes me feel like a dayvig.

i wouldn't have counterclaimed as early. it did cross my mind that he had a similar role to mine, but i generally frown on day 1 lynches claiming doc.

[don_johnson]

* toots own horn post*

i would like to point out a few things about my play in this particular game which, unfortunately, has been mischaracterized as "a bit of a crazy," "racist", and having other players "worried". i was often referred to in game as simply "hitching my apple cart" to spyrex which, if you read my posts is not entirely true. i always explained my position and i committed to my position based on evidence in the thread.

a) i correctly identified spyrex' initial argument against sk as "pro-town".

b) i correctly identified sk's rebuttal as "scummy" and thusly committed to the wagon until sk was lynched.

c) i was the only player pushing the idea of aniscum, granted i had role knowledge, but i also pointed out the "name" part of the claim which didn't fit.

d) i was also the first player to vote in a possible lylo situation for the remaining member of the scumteam.

starbuck: for reference, rent "monty python and the holy grail". the scene where king arthur and his knights try to invade a french castle is where the "kniggit" insult was pulled from. if you want to categorize it as racist then you need to realize that it is racist against "silly english knights" and meant for no other population. apologies if my play disturbed you.