NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

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/confirmed~

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D:

Already an intense rivalry begins >3

LET'S DO EET!!

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I love the song for the Master hand Battle in Super Smash Bros for the N64 :3 that is all~

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*How many games have you finished, here or elsewhere? (I don't particularly need to know details here)
*Do you consider yourself an experienced player?
*Are we there yet?
*How about now?

1.) I've completed one game here, and three games on another site.

2.) Considering the drama that unfolded on the other site...I think somewhat. Though I'll hold back any self-delusions until I have more games under my belt. ^^

3.)Good question. Me thinks no though.

4.)For some reason...I highly doubt it

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Where exactly did those 3 points come from again

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IF I was half as serious as some of you guys seem to atm, I'd vote a certain someone

But as it stands, I WANTZ MY RV DAMMIT!!

Vote:Pomegranate

....my least favorite fruit

.....

......Did I mention I dislike pmeranates yet??? o.0

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your mind games are making my head hurt x.x

But not for the reasons you hope for

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Unvote

vote:Vi

Vi's mind games scare me quite a bit.

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I know I'm blond-moment susceptible and all, and I try...

really

try, and make them less pronounced.....but I can't stem it here

I'll be blunt. I honestly don't know what the fuck you people are going on about on either case presented.

So. I still am in the RVFSRS. Randomly voting for stupid reasons stage.

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SSBF is idiot town, a Lowell like character (OOOOOHHH BURNNNNNEDD). Quick wagon is super scummy.

Vote: Dr Robotnik

Haha. He wishes. After all, look how hard this guy tries and still is getting lynched. I haven't done nearly as much and am basically unlynchable.

Keep talking like that and that might change~

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Stop using bright colors that are hard to read! D:<

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As a matter of fact, acting way too aggressively can be dangerous. Look at the Horrordude0215 vs. Ythan argument near the end of Day 1 in Mafia 110: Hell in Michagan. Horrordude was getting close to lynch. He and Ythan got into a big argument. Horrordude eventually resorted to petty insults against him. Not only did it got on a few people nerve and the mod mad, Horrordude was quickly lynched because of it. He was a Vanilla Townsperson.

This kinda of thing always makes me facepalm. I hate it when people put emotion over logic in these games. This is a game of logic, I don't see why people feel the need to dampen that with their emotions

Also SSBF, not to

dampen

what seems like a good case against me. Kingdom of Loathing is an ongoing game that should not be talked about. Please refrain from doing so please.~

And I'm not posting here much because I'm finding it hard to find anything with in the HUGE WALLS OF TEXTS that spring up every other post. Seriously people, can you not say what you want to say in as few words as possible??? I am taking the time to read through this though atm. So maybe I can take my RVFSRS.~

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I honestly don't know what to think about the mason claim, but I guess we'll just have to go with it for a little while I guess.

Can't see where the cases against Parama and SSBF flourished either. None of what people are saying about them make any sense whatsoever >.>;;

I do think that maybe there is something in the case of Dr.Robotnik.~

unvote

vote:Dr. Robotnik

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^That was Pure WIFOM I think

I think it was a good question to be asked. The question being asked by the person in question, does NOT mean that they want convinced of their own innocence. Not by the longest shot and yard.

Please come up with a better reason as to why you think daniel is scum LMP. Thanks in advance

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I didn't mis-interpret anything

I asked you why you thought he was scummy. Why do you dodge the question?

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Once again, you are misrepresenting me. If your question is why do I think he is scummier than Seraph and voz, then I'll answer that by saying Seraph's cleared a lot of things up for the town, and if he were scum I don't think he would have made the claim. For why I think voz isn't scum, I'll point you to post 283. And I'll reiterate that, at this time "That's about all I got to say about that".

This is exactly what I meant.

Now. Was that so hard?

Do we

feel

a little better now?

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Your misinterpretation of me is dully noted as well ^^

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This kinda of thing always makes me facepalm. I hate it when people put emotion over logic in these games. This is a game of logic, I don't see why people feel the need to dampen that with their emotions

I was not using emotion in that post. All I was doing was giving an example of why being too aggressive can hurt you later on.

I was talking about the situation you presented, not you. lol Sorry if that was vague.~

Also SSBF, not to

dampen

what seems like a good case against me. Kingdom of Loathing is an ongoing game that should not be talked about. Please refrain from doing so please.~

I see your point and all, but even if I didn't include it as an example. the fact that you weren't contributing at the time made me suspicious of you.[/quote]

Point taken.~ You probably be seeing more contribution from me now. Now that I have finally caught with all the HUGE POSTS

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The people who could night talk had extra time to talk in the day I believe I saw somewhere.

Im pretty sure thats a one time thing. So we can probably safely assume that the scum in this game can only talk in the night phase from now on.

Right?

Or am I right?~

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Too be honest this game is confusing me. This may or may not be because this is the first time I have been in a faction mafia game(ie. two families,ect ect) and the Masons are blowing me away too. I don't know whether to believe that claim or not still, even though others have.

Still, details details

Anyways I likes where my vote is at atm. So stay it will until something else catches mine eyes

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@lynch: Why do you seem to be jumping on the smallest things??

It seems....redundant to be doing so...

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Yay! Caught up again ^^ My you guys post lots.~/jk

On the whole probability of a Werewolf being in the Mason group of Veso, Dan,and Seraphim. Why is it that Veso and Dan are the only ones seemingly put as being the possible one(because of supposed VI ), and Seraphim out of the question?

@lynch: I do believe I asked you a question that you seemed to see fit to ignore...AGAIN >.> Post 383.~

I don't like the nhammen wagon. It rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

After re-reading this thread, and recent posts, I have come to find my opinion on Parama has changed drastically. Thank God for rereads The posting of several HoS's and FoS's and several change votes aside, made for a rather eye bleeding experience, and hardly registered the intended effect Parma probably wanted. I found the reason he used to vote nhammen an epic fail.

Unvote

Vote: Parma

Also

3) Parama actually rocked the kasbah in his post and is almost certainly town.

unvote, vote nhammen

>.> that post did nothing to affirm Parmas "townie"-ness. Why make a blatant gross assumptions like that??

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@Mod:is the deadline for this day phase really over a month from now????

@SC: Alright.~

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And if nhammen flips Town Roleblocker???

The one to hammer will surely die next day phase.

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okay...anyone care to explain the acronyms ITT and IIRC??? I whole-fully ignorant of these things sometimes

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I'm not eager to set up one

I'm just wondering why some of you think he could be a Scum Roleblocker. Those are (To my knowledge) in newb games here mostly. Besides that, he hasn't really acted all that scummy in my eyes.

What *Player* thinks is scummy =/= What Midnight thinks is scummy

I can't see what you people see when you voted him. Just can't. While they weren't exactly

baseless

, they just didn't sit well with me as a reason.

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Yes. But in this talk of masons and monks...why was only Seraphim out of the question of not being a werewolf?

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@Leaf: I just found it odd that when it was a question of which one of them could be the wolf among the sheep as it were, that it was only veso and dan that were the prime candidates.

Thats all that meant.

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I couldn't disagree more about the AtE though. I think he's caught scum, pure and simple.

Then why don't you do us a favor, and unvote him, and wait to see if he can be hammered That way, if he does flip scum(Like your SO sure he will ) then your in the clear baby.~ If he doesn't flip scum, and you survive, then your prime lynch material for tomorrow. /jk

Seriously. WHY do you think he is scummy? Your reasons don't make sense to me ...at ALL. >.>

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That's just it SC, I don't get your accusation at all. It makes no sense to me why that makes him scum.

and @ reasons a and b. That was a joke son. -getoverit~-

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From what I can gain, what started out as a vote because of lack of content(or whatever it was), turned into a nhammen's wagon skyrocketing because of a small simple mistake. It was jumped upon in the midst of all the Mason and Monk chaos. It was jumped on

hard

.

Soon after it, the reasons were expanded, and several people became assured that they caught scum.

This is B.S. You do not expand B.S. reasons for wagoning a person and expect them to turn into a gem. I don't care how many times you expand your reasons.

"

B.S only begets more B.S.

"

All you end up getting is a bigger pile of heaping B.S. then you started with.

It seems to me though, that people seemed to push his wagon

much

harder when he roleclaimed roleblocker. Why? Do you want to lynch him just to be assured that he is in fact what he said he was? By then it will be to late, and we will be down a Town PR, because you wanted to make sure he wasn't lying???<(this is the basic gist of what I am seeing)

Please

The nhammen wagon needs to unload, and unload quick,. It's not big enough for anyone but nhammen.

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Am I missing the point?

Because honestly, I can't see the logic in your reasons for voting him in the first place.

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I have read the thread. Just because I can't see the logic in your reasons does not mean I don't understand what has been said. I can read you know

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Whether a roleblocker town role is useful or not....its still town? and therefore not scum?

Or have I missed some important memo?

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urgh....-.- I hate Meta. Why do people cling to it with an iron fist here.

Past games do not affect the present game, therefore have no cause for the future.

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wrong game dude....

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None that I saw.~ Though undoubtedly everyone and their mothers have claimed, so your question is pretty sound to ask. xD

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Also. Nhammemn cracked under pressure. He's clearly scum.

Cracking under pressure =/= Scum

Sorry.~

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Here's a quick question for you guys.

Why is there an assumption that the major contributors are less scummy then those that don't? I'm curious to know what that has anything to do with being scummy besides just needing to post more?

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My explanation of why lowell is scum.

The mod didn't want to start the game early because lowell hasn't confirmed via PM. He then says that after lowell confirmed wants to give more time to the people with night talk abilities. He is not a mason or a monk therefore he must be scum.

Unvote nhammen
Vote Lowell

This is false meta-ing. I doubt every word of this used against anyone.

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If we have 30 days of this I'll /wrists.

Slow and easy wins the race sir. Slow. And. Easy.~

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YOU HAVE NOT DISPROVED ANY OF MY LOGIC. ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS CALL IT CRAP WITHOUT GIVING ANY EVIDENCE.

...sometimes logic doesn't need evidence to disprove it. Ever hear of common sense? Do you really need a 1,2,3 A,B,C explanation on what common sense means, and how it pertains to your...'logic'?

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-.- *crosses arms and thumps foot on floor*

and....?

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I got that...but is there anything else missing?

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...it's annoying isn't it? :/

It's like trying to talk to a brick wall >:P

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But a crap case is by any other word...is only a crap case? How else would you like him to word it?

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That list makes me feel special somehow :3

I'm honored~

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There there Sera Sucks that you had to do that imo.~ Still don't understand why you did though :/

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Theres a tree now? <ish confused

Should we vote for it?

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Agreed, to post something like this, being a big time lurker too, seems suspicious. FoS on Timeater, but no vote yet.

yes...

blood...blood...

in the shadows i lurk
some might call me a jerk
but i just smirk
and continue with my work

Im feeling Jester here...

Then again...Im also feeling getting shot down for saying such things here

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Heavy on the side of sarcasm are we

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@Unsight: Someone who doesn't listen to what others are saying. Kinda do there own thing, screw everyone else. ....I think -shrugs-

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@Unsight: Someone who doesn't listen to what others are saying. Kinda do there own thing, screw everyone else. ....I think -shrugs-

Are you gonna do ANYTHING other than undermine what other people say?

I was anwsering Unsight's question about what brick walls were here????

And if someone can manage to undermine what someone else has said....that usually means whats been said....was wrong on some level????

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@Chronopie: So Lowell is your top suspect?

Lowell claimed scum. I'm wary of scum-claims (Bad experience, <ongoing reference>). Doesn't make it a town move.

What?

He did? I didn't see this. What makes you say that?

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I am happy with one as well.~

Unvote

Vote:CronoPie

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NOTICE: WHY ARE WE SCREAMING !!!

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RIGHT ON! b(^O^)s

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To say that only scum lurk the majority of the time, is pure WIFOM IMHO is you ask me jimbob.~

It depends on the player, not the role assigned to them.

-shrugs-

But what do I know??

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Unvote

*raises eyebrow* How about that?

I dislike self hammerers.~

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But the arguments are far more interesting then the people Leaf.

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But the arguments are far more interesting then the people Leaf.

But we're not lynching arguments, are we?

But its the arguments that people make that end up getting them lynched right?

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If you guys don't hammer chrono please say why not.

Not allowing a man the chance to give one last ditch effort to defend himself from the case presented of him,by hammering him , is a stupid and scummy thing to do.

If what he has to say does not do anything to make him less scummy in my eyes, my vote will go back on him, but not a moment before.

We cool??

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*Epic facepalm*

-.- -sigh-

...self hammaerers....>:/

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You do know people are

more likely

to ignore what you said in light of that right? -.-

Stressing more likely because it may just be my imagination....

That was much the uber fail >:U

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If you do flip scum, I will be looking harshly at Midnight's Sorrow for trying to buy you time to defend yourself when you were already doomed.

Is this supposed to scare me?

...If so, it isn't working all that well

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Vote:Sevis

Because Vi had strong scum vibes from him. And after ISOing Sevis. I agree.

Also GL SGR ^^

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Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

. Your ISO made my head hurt... almost EVERYTHING you posted is irrelevant fluff, and none of your posts seem to be even vaguely connected to each other. You also jump on the chrono wagon for no reason at all.

You are pretty much the most active-lurkery player I have ever seen.

Out of all the people this could apply to...you choose me?? Why?

And I do believe I gave a reason for that vote. It seems it just hasn't meet your qualifications.

My bad! I'll do better next time! /dripping sarcasm~

Vote: Midnight's Sorrow. Your ISO made my head hurt... almost EVERYTHING you posted is irrelevant fluff, and none of your posts seem to be even vaguely connected to each other. You also jump on the chrono wagon for no reason at all.

You are pretty much the most active-lurkery player I have ever seen.

This. Had it not been for a possible role block and nhammen's roleblocker claim, I would be going stright atfter him. Until nhammen tells us who he blocked...

Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

Eager Beaver is Eager in this one xD

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It may be WIFOM, but it certainly doesn't garner

not

being looked at. Or do you just want to look elsewhere maybe?

Ain't it critical, to not make the same mistake we did last phase, to look at all angles before we make a decision on who is scummiest of the day???

That is what I am trying to do, and why I voted Sevis. The one person Vi was adamant about being scum. Whether or not I believed Vi then, is not the question, seeing as we all know now that he was town. Whether or not Vi was killed because of that very reason to make Sevis look bad is not the question either. Vi was the only one to die last phase, and sanzing any protection role, we can assume that he was killed by the Werewolves.

You are aware that there are two factions of Mafia in this right? Mafia and Werewolves? Could not the Werewolves tried to make Sevis look bad because he may be one of the Mafia?? Did you think about that??

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WIFOM. You are aware that my wagon started pretty fast(and you not giving a reason for one), over something that could equate to about half of the players on here. Are you also aware that if it wasn't for the fact that you were pretty much confirmed town thanks to being both a monk and mason, that you probably would have been lynched?

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Absolutely not. Why on earth would anyone do that? Your confirmed town thanks to being both a monk and mason. it would be suicide to do that~

Your were just trying to bs a bs'er and I was just pointing that out~

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^???? What??

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Leaf:

Your terribad jumping on the smallest things and obvious

trying

to make it into something bigger then it is, when that very small thing could be very easily applied to other people, when ther are probably more BIGGER issues that may or may not be trying to be covered up in this...VERY obvious ploy, is

very

dully noted.~

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Leaf:

Is the only thing you can do is vote people on

Kettle calls Pot Black

reasoning's?? You haven't been so hot either in the department that your accusing me of. Maybe you should ISO yourself before you start flying accusations off at a whim.

I think I've said this before on this thread, (to you even! )but if I'm able to undermine

anything

, then the thing I'm undermining is faulty at best, and bs at the worst of times. Can't undermine something that has weight and credibility Both of which you have lacked in your 'attacks'

I didn't avoid any direct question that I could see. -scratches head- Oh are you talking about that question that asked what was the question?

To answer, I think the question should be, why someone is able to vote someone for shotty reasons, and expect anything that comes from such shoty reasons o make into a 'solid deal' I've said before in this thread too.

B.S only begets more B.S.

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If the shoe fits dear. Your deflection from your votes in D1 was being claimed as a mason by your mason buddy and later on to be a monk as well by your monk buddy.

Kettle calls Pot Black

in it's purest form here.

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Very! ^^

Who said I was scum? Oh yeah. 4 eagar beavers that jumped on a fail wagon and expected to get to *insert place you want to be at*

And who said I was deflecting anything at you? Your trying to bs me, and I'm just bs'ing right back at you. There's no hidden agenda behind it, it straight up in your face brutal honesty

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EBWOP:

on a wagon built on fail*

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It takes two to tango ves.


Why you keep saying I'm trying make peoples votes go your way is making me roll my eyes two fold. I think I've said that I'm not already once or twice. I'm not about to repeat myself again.

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EBWOP:

I am sure that at least 2 townies are on your wagon.

Yeah. You and Mr. Verbose right?

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Because Vi, while adamant about him being scum, switched votes on a dime. It was hard to discern if he was being serious, or throwing everyone through a loop. That he was revealed town suggests to me otherwise, and thus I look at the Vi/Sevis tango in a more harsher light.

I refuse to throw away a night kill as possible evidence because of WIFOM tendencies. There is some truth in its silver linings, and I think we should look at this in a more, open, approach then what is being made today. I mean, GOD! we have some days to kill. We don't need to jump on every little thing and make big deals out of it. I say look at other avenues of scumminess, instead of focusing on one? I don;t think it would hurt. In fact, it would probably be far more beneficial right?

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I don't disagree with Lowell accusing Sevis tbh. I keep getting the impression of an experienced player holding way way way back.

Sevis is reaching into obvscum territory with his vote and FoS.

Interesting finds, both nhammen and Parama. Now that I re-read foilist's posts, he does seem to be rolefishing quite a bit: previously, I took this for him just trying to make sense of the game. I still don't get the feeling that he's scum, but I'm not too sure just yet.

Vezo really is contributing far less to the game than he could be, hinting at the role without any clarification only helps scum, as far as I can see.

The speed with which Chronopie jumped on the nhammen wagon does surprise me -- he seems to be hoping to put the focus away from him and thus be forgotten. This doesn't look like very pro-town play to me. I also have to agree that his attempts at rolefishing would cause more harm if they were successful (I see LMP's role and knowledge to currently be of more importance than vezo's).

FOS: Chronopie
Unvote; Vote: nhammen

Not only do you never mention anything about whether the nhammen wagon is good, you actually compliment and agree with him in the bolded.
Not a particularly intuitive way to put yourself ninth on the wagon... Especially since if you didn't know your vote was horrible, you didn't do it on purpose like someone fishing for reactions/pressure would... which means that you intended to lynch nhammen with this post as reasoning.

Unvote: nhammen
Vote: Sevis (L-12)

I'm fine with assuming nhammen-Town for the time being.

Yes, I was and still am not sure my reasoning is all too good. I agree with parts of the case nhammen built, but ``I still don't get the feeling that he's scum, but I'm not too sure just yet.''. nhammen has made me look at the situation from a new direction, but I didn't find that new perspective impressive enough to give me a town read on him. Thus, I saw the countercase presented by Parama and found it much more convincing. It was certainly better than the read I had on SGRaaize. I find that a wagon right now will probably not lead to a lynch, but will add a lot to the structure of the game, which will make it easier to take a look at everyone and understand the situation better. Thus: I did not and do not see my vote as making me `obvscum', but do see it having rather poor reasoning -- not the worst on the wagon, but of a lower standard than I would normally put out.

*words words words words*

While you did a good job of sounding intelligent here, what you said comes down to this.
"*I saw a huge wagon on nhammen, and while I agreed with him a lot I decided to jump on the hamwagon for <vague post facto reason>.
*This wagon is supposed to help find scum (when and if I choose to do it; now doesn't seem to be a good time) and "understand the situation better" (whatever that means).
*While my position on the wagon makes no sense, you should be looking at someone else who had worse reasoning because they are more likely to be scum.
*(Notice I still haven't said anything about why nhammen is scummy or why my vote is still on him, especially if I was allegedly just pressuring him.)"

Not buying it.

I didn't assume nhammen-Town based on Sevis-scum, if that's what you were trying to say. The Sevis vote was me moving on from someone I finally got a Town read on.

Sevis is continuing to reinforce my read that he's an experienced player sandbagging himself.

Since Sevis-scum doesn't seem very popular today I'll go ahead and give you what you asked for.
'Not sure if you as scum would go out of your way to stir up trouble like this, but I did say earlier that you were on the hatelist, so~

Unvote: Sevis
Vote: Leafsnail (L-12)

Sevis continues to make weak posts why are people letting him slip by etc. etc.

Unvote: Leafsnail
Vote: Timeater (L-12)
Because SSBF won't do it do it do it, and this wagon really needs to happen, and nobody wants to vote Sevis for some reason.

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Also, while rereading I twitched again when I came to Sevis 605. Lame question + convenient target = contrived suspicion.

Finally someone who bothers to comment on my points, instead of simply calling me obvscum.

...

My comment on Midnight means that I clearly had the feeling there was something important (important, not necessarily scummy) about him, but that I couldn't figure out what it was again.

That's... less than helpful, given what "important" could be expected to mean.

I find that only targeting newer/VI players is a scumtell, yes.

He voted SSBF without stating any reason at all. His next vote, on daniel, had somewhat better reasoning, but he's kept it up for a rather long time without adding anything.

I don't think him missing the nhammen wagon was accidental: nhammen is a far more experienced player, not someone Dr. Robotnik would want to go up against.

First bolded: Oh, like you've been doing, right? (Sevis' vote record: daniel, SGRaaize, nhammen, Dr. Robotnik)
Second bolded: This would be the first time I've seen this argument in the context of ten other people voting nhammen, a handful of whom had worse/fewer reasons for voting than he would have. There's probably a good reason for that.

LMP, could you please name someone more suspicious, alphabetically up to nhammen? Chronopie is close due to rolefishing, lack of content in the early game, and his jump on the nhammen wagon.
Did you just tell LMP to unvote you and vote Chronopie? Laughing

Also, the fluff is that you're wasting your time complaining about people who are more likely than you to be Town.~

Unvote: Timeater
Vote: Sevis (L-11)

Yes, my attacks are entirely hypocritical, and the only reason I'm not targeting myself is because I know my own alignment. Would you suggest I target nobody at all?

As long as you agree that what I've been saying is entirely legitimate and your defense is a ridiculous rhetorical question, I'll be fine with my vote~

Haven't you been able to read the thread and find people who have been scummy who also haven't been the people that everyone else has been looking at?~

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@Vi: You bring up legitimate points, but you move your vote around so much it's hard for me to take it seriously. Do you actually want everyone you've voted for lynched?

vezo - yes at the time; not now
LynchMePlz - yes at the time; not now
SGRaaize - yes at the time; probably now
Dr. Robotnik - maybe at the time; now not sure
nhammen - yes at the time; probably not now

Sevis - yes at the time; yes now

nhammen - sure at the time; probably not now although I'd hate to see him drop off the radar entirely

Sevis - yes at the time; yes now

Leafsnail - undecided at the time; not particularly now
Timeater - yes at the time; yes now

more Sevis - more yes etc.

This post I bolded for emphasis^

A lot of vote changes but Vi always went back to Sevis. It wa a tug f war And honestly it was kinda confusing. But now that I know with out a doubt that Vi is town, he starts to make a lot more sense. Sevis wagon wasn't going anywhere most of the time, but in the end Vi just stuck his vote on him anyways. Still....getting WIFOM about this as I read them again, but it's still something to look at.

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It's funny - you posted more content in the last 14 hours than you did in the entirety of day one. Sure, it's all BS deflecting content, but content nonetheless.

I usually post more content in huge games like this starting D-2 anyways, more shit to look at, and night kills to analysis. Also, its a very good week for me

Incidentally, Midnight's Sorrow, who's scum and why?

Sevis of course, if you've actually read what I've been posting ^^

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^

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@Timeater: There are legitimate reasons for suspecting Midnight's Sorrow and placing a vote on him. This isn't one of them.

Really?

There are??

All I'm getting is a case that could apply to more then just me, and yet I'm the only one getting heat for it? The others are just expansions on that claim I fail to see the 'legitimacy" in most of them.

I'm loving how some of you seem to think

Lot's of content=Townie by proxy

This is WIFOM tbqh. Scum can just as well post uber amounts of content as much a townie can, this does not make them sound however We should probably look hard at those that seem to be trying hard as well as those that arn't posting much.~

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Who else?

Vi also said some great things about you as well too yo~ In fact two of his vote changes went to you~ I can bring those posts up if you want~

Time eater too. He seems to like bandwaggoning a lot with no reason at all but to just bandwagon. Vi also had suspicions here.

And why didn't you mention all the scum you said you had on your bandwagon?

Because if I said Ves and Mr Verbose(SSBF) were the ones I thought was town...wouldn't common sense say that I had a scum or neutral read on the others??

Really?

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This wagon is founded on stupid. Is stupid good for you Lowell??

If you agree with me about Sevis...then why are you not voting him??

I'm seriously getting the gut feeling my wagon started

because

I voted Sevis, being the first one to notice Vi's adamant attacks on Sevis in D-1 and bringing it up. Reasons that seem like the grasping of straws, and

very

convenient~

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Ok...answer me this riddle everyone.

In what world does a defense against stupid need to be anything other then weak? A 'weak' ( I'm every time I see that) defense should be all that is needed.

I mean what?? Why strain myself at making a 'strong' defense, when a weak one should suffice?

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SSBF:



Im so sorry that I rarely make big wall posts like you do. Im sorry that I sometimes feel that only a few lines, and maybe a few paragraphs are all that's needed sometimes. I'm sorry I don't scum hunt the same way you do. I can't believe what I was thinking trying to be an individual in here and make my own way in this low some world. I'm sorry that have to defend my self from the great onslaught of stupid that is my wagon, I'm so lost a to what to do, your post made me smile~ Im sorry that my contribution is not good enough for you. I bow to you good sir

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And pray tell me now Leaf. How is what your doing now scumhunting? Your tunneling pure and simple. You don't even seem all that bothered with trying to find scum else where. As long as you get rid of your annoyance right?

I'm kinda sorry that you seem so sure that I'm scum for such fail reasons that you conveniently made of me. I'm kinda sorry as well that you seem to have been fishing for "better" reasons to be voting me. And I'm kinda sorry that I'm gonna call you out for if I get lynched today. Its not gonna look good for you.~

And as for the Vi thing. I'm simply analyzing what he said about people. He was town. So his words should hold useful for something. I mean....I don't think he kicked the bucket for no reason at all.~ And yeah, I can most certainly make my own assumptions. I'm not as dumb as you make me out to be

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Okay.

How about we actually, you know, acknowledge the fact that the reasons that my wagon stared were for active lurking and 'bandwaggoning'. Let's all agree here shall we?

Let's also agree that those two are very convenient reason to vote someone. Reasons most inexperienced scum jump at most of the time.~

You made your vote on me for those reasons, lets agree with that hmm?

Now that we agree with those. Lets move on to the rest of it shall we~ Two people voted for no reason what so ever. Bandwaggoning. You know? Like what I was accused of *cough* TIMEATER *cough* So why are they not getting heat as well? You aware that most of the people arn't even here yet, and have yet to post.

Don't know why you assume so much, Leaf, especially on as little as you have.~ In what instance is it cute nor funny for a townie role to say things like "Your scum! DIE!" with such clarity and vigor Usually the people that scream those those things are scum and/or VI's. Are you a VI Leaf? I hope not

Sarcastic or not, that way one big Appeal To Emotion. I'm LOLing that you're failing so hard.

Interpretation =/= Actuality.

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Jimbob...wrong game -.- AGAIN!

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*raises eyebrow*

How exactly was that skimming...


....You people confuse and confound me like nobody's business~

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He cross gamed with the same game already in this thread...thats why i said again...

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So basically when you say "Your scum, die!" your degrading yourself to a low level of standard? Scum must be lynched surely, as that is how Town wins But do you have to be as...well...Pre-school enabled as you do so? I don;t think you do. And I find people who state those things, if not scummy, VIs.

And I do in fact now what I am accusing you of But the question is. Do you?? Can you see the silver lining anywhere?

And you and me Leaf could go on and on and on about each others reasoning are fail-tasitic, but it won't get us anywhere. In fact it distracts from the actual scum hunting in general

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Good ^^

I was starting to get bored of you tbqh~

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@lynch: Please pray tell what was so scummy about me if those two were not the reasons for you voting me then.

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And its equally bad logic to not think Vi NK=/=Sevis scum. And no; I did not

immediately

leap on Sevis. I read the thread again, taking what was brought to us in the phases that happened, and made my own assumption that that was maybe why Vi was taken out. That is not immediate. By any means.~

And of course you don't vote me for reasons of wagoning and active lurking. I think

that

should be a given as to why.~

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Vezopiraka is still showing no sign of logic.

For one, while I certainly am in the camp of those who criticize Vezo's logic, he has actually made a couple of good posts since the big "my mason/monk buddies must be scum" snafu. I'm not sure what you mean by "still" showing no sign of logic. Care to explain better Sevis? Even a quote of what you perceive as bad logic would be useful.

I'm half-way done with ISOs, and so far, Midnight stood out when I was reading, but I can't figure out why.

What the hell does this mean?

Dr. Robotnik's hopping has been noted before. He seems to be mostly targeting VIs. His list of suspects, other than SSBF and daniel, includes LMP -- who, although he certainly isn't a VI, is new. Doesn't look all too good.

Vote: Dr. Robotnik

, at least until I can finish re-reading.

So you think Dr. Robotnik is scummy because he is only targeting VI-ish players? What about a player who only votes easy targets and makes strange posts that look like they are saying something without actually saying anything? I think those are more worthy of votes.

Unvote
Vote: Sevis

Pretty sure the nhammen wagon is going nowhere, although I'm still not convinced he isn't scum. I like this vote better for now.

I think this conversation has been enlightening.

Unvote: Leafsnail
Vote: Timeater (L-12)

Because SSBF won't do it do it do it, and this wagon really needs to happen, and nobody wants to vote Sevis for some reason.

LOL! See my latest post. Then come join the wagon. We have cake.

Its not that you target someone less scummy, its that you pick an easy target, a lurker who won't defend himself and has about 0 chance of getting a serious wagon on him. You get to look tough without being tough.

Keep posting Sevis. I'm feeling better about this vote with each sentence.

This is likely my last post before V/LA. I still like my post. Sevis' most recent post makes it even better. Why is it so important for Sevis to impress Vi? Is Sevis doing that because he thinks it'll get him unlynched? How about countering the arguments against you instead?

Sevis is likely scum. Askbob probably is too. Nhammen is still on my radar.

I hope when I get back that the scum hunting has been very productive.

Alright, this is for realz my final post before V/LA.

I still think Sevis is scum, but I agree with Faraday, this day is lasting WAY to long. I think CP is scum. He has a big wagon, and I support his lynch. Therefore

Unvote
Vote: Chronopie
FOS: Sevis

Good luck guys, I'll check in when I can.

Any reason why you don't find Sevis scummy now?

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Im still liking how your calling about an hour or mores re-read through immediate LMP...

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SSBF



You of all people should not be calling someone else hypocritical.

If the shoe fits yo~

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So again we have someone saying they think someone is scum...and yet they don't vote them?

Put your votes where your mouths is people....this is starting to get ridiculous >.>

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Wrong SSBF

You practically said you found evidence that SGR is scummy, but say keep him alive for now?

Not only that, but he seems to have failed to hit your scummy list...right after you siad he was scummy?

How does that happen SSBF? Is he scummy or not? That is the question~

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Clearly WIFOM is enough to make LMP do a complete 180 on his scum read on Sevis from before.

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LynchmePlease:

Stop accusing people of misinterpreting when you yourself are doing the same.

The main reason you voted me in the first place. YOU, not anyone else. Was because you thought my vote was made on pure WIFOM of Vi dying.

I wasn't misrepresenting anything when I said that obviously WIFOM was enough to make you not vote Sevis.

Why now? When the night phase has come and gone, that you now get cold feet on Sevis.

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SSBF:

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But are you actually (In context) saying that the only way you can scum hunt is by targeting the 'lurkers'? That is pretty much 90% of your list...

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Deflection =/= Scummy

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If we're gonna discuss the Night phase...

Would there even be a possibility of a Third party Killer(SK) in a game like this??

I don't think there would be...I mean there's already two scum teams...meaning two kills, which didn't happen on the Mafia side of things last night...

It could be as nhammen says. He RBed SGR and he was the one who sent the mafia kill therefore it never happened. Because he was roleblocked.

There's also every possibility that the Mafia kill was protected by a doctor or jailkeeper like someone else has said.

But I wonder...would there be Vig in this? If so...there might have been a third kill that was thwarted...

Maybe there were three kills last night, only one pulling through. One could have been protected by a doc/jailkeeper, the other rbed by nhammen?

You say your a RB right nhammen? Is that all you can do? Like, do you protect as well as rb. If that's the case, maybe SGR was the one that was targeted and you saved him?

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What are you trying to say ves?

That there could very well be a double sided scum just like your a double sided townie?

Part of me doubts that very much. If only because they have the ability to take a player out, where as you monks and masons only have the ability of knowing a few peoples roles and able to night talk.

But a part of me wonders if theres a mason/monk, why not a mafia/werewolf?

ehh? ...Double points for Town ftfw?! ~

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Trying to speculate missing kills, when that is the very fact that is SGR's wagon, is not irrelevant by any means LMP; If that is what your trying to get at. It's pretty relevant.

I don't see why you seem so against NP analysis...

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Several people have stated that they find Sevis scummy, why are they not voting him, ect ect ect...

Sevis has yet to refute the case against him, and likely wont. So what are people waiting for ect ect ect...

Why has Sevis not had more votes ect ect ect

I could go on and on, but I really don't want to yadda yadda yadda..

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Okay nhammen.

Honestly though, a simple yes or no would have sufficed with me yo xD So he was definitely not protected because of you. Thats all I wanted to know.

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There is nothing wrong with attacking the masons or monks, they simply have a lower probability of being scum than everyone else. Only vezopiraka is confirmed townie.

Oh good God! Yes! Please, let's!

Let not their claims of Holy Mary-hood keep them from being exempt from the watchful eye of suspicion! T'would be most unwise!

If nary a soul hasn't the fortitude to do so, I shall! Just give me the word and I'll be on it like speeding bullet.~

Several people have stated that they find Sevis scummy, why are they not voting him, ect ect ect...

Sevis has yet to refute the case against him, and likely wont. So what are people waiting for ect ect ect...

Why has Sevis not had more votes ect ect ect

I could go on and on, but I really don't want to yadda yadda yadda..

Why is Sevis being passed by again, ect ect ect...

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LMP. I think he's talking about you and your other monk buddy. Who arnt Monk/Mason like Veso, and therefore have every possibility of being the Psycho amongst the Sane~

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*** Can we play the list your top three suspects game? ***

Code: Select all

1. Sevis
2. Leafsnail
3. Pomegranate

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Okay...just noticed that the words are green....ewww

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@midnight, you have been trashing other players' cases. Can you provide a game in which you have been doing this as Town?

You'll always see me attack peoples cases. For that is what gets people lynched at the end of the day. But that game and the one I finished when I first came here are the only games I have completed.

I personally hate meta, but if that is what you need then here ya go:

Newbie 936

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I would say be amused Parma xD Cause that was pretty f-ing hilarious xDDDD


Also Sevis is scum, after whats happened so far, and the fact that despite so many people having thought him scummy, yet not voting him, there seems to be some resistance for lynching him. My question is. Why?

All you would have to do is ISO Sevis, and your set. So whats the hold up people?

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@MS Sevis is likely scum. You are also likely scum on the other team, killing Vi and then leaping at the opportunity to blame it on Sevis. I'm guessing this is the logic you and your scum buddies came up with when selecting Vi, only they were clever enough not to bring it up.

You speak to me as if I'm scum. Stop assuming, and get over yourself sir~

What you basically said is that you think him likely scum, so, why are you not voting him?? Do you want to keep him alive? If so,for what reason?

You need to stop hiding behind your monk status dude(You don't really bring it up, but come on...its practically seeping out of everyone of your posts >.>) and start putting your vote where your mouth was and still seems to be.

I can't for one second think that a Night
phase was enough to make you drop your previous case on Sevis because of fear of WIFOM. Give me a fucking break.

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Okay LMP

STOP SAYING I JUMPED ON IT!!!

Good God!!

I do believe I've said before that I saw that Vi died and therefore read over what he said. He was revealed townie, therefore what he has said holds more weight.

-gasp- OMG!! WHAT A REVELATION!!!~

I only said that maybe he was killed because of his attacks on Sevis, as a MAYBE. Not an absolute. The fact that he may have been killed because he's a pretty good player has crossed my mind as well. But the fact remains that he was town and therefore his words should be looked at more closely. I'm sure he wasn't wrong on ever regard, though there certainly is that possibility. But geez. It's like you think what the dead have said hold no weight anymore once their gone..>.>;; Sorry to tell you thats a big fat NO!

God good. And you keep saying people misrep you with nearly every post you make. >.> Kettle>Pot sir. Kettle>Pot~

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You know...I lol when people say things are distracting in this game xDD

Idk why...but just do LMAO!!

And I too am starting to think I'm taking crazy pills as well

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Because NK WIFOM is enough to make anyone cower with their tails between their legs~

Unvote
Vote:shrinehime

Don't know if Sevis votes still count so..yeah xD

Also why are we voting Nhammen? It makes as much sense as it did last day phase.

We are not voting Nhammen Roleblockers are

not

always Scum.

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Vote:Sevis

Because Vi had strong scum vibes from him. And after ISOing Sevis. I agree.

Also GL SGR ^^

How much more immediate can it get than his first post of that day? It was even the 5th overall post of the day. Why not ask some probing questions of Sevis? Why not discuss the case from the day before? Once it's clear we're getting a Sevis replacement, why not wait to hear from Sevis replacement? If all he is going off is the case from D1, then why wasn't he with us on D1? Why wait for the NK and the WIFOM to be convinced? Both MS' play and his WORDS say that he is basing his case on the Vi NK.

If you even bother to look at the time stamps you'd know it wasn't immediate >.< I can read pretty fast, but hell to the freaking no can I read that many pages in a *Snap* like that... It was a hour or two.

Stop saying I immediately jumped on it because of my first post being my vote on him.

THAT

is stupid. Sorry~

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If you even bother to look at the time stamps you'd know it wasn't immediate >.< I can read pretty fast, but hell to the freaking no can I read that many pages in a *Snap* like that... It was a hour or two.

Stop saying I immediately jumped on it because of my first post being my vote on him.

THAT

is stupid. Sorry~

So you couldn't do the reread during the night like I did? You had to wait for day 2 to start to do a reread? Why is that, where you busy in the night time? If so, with what?

Listen dude. I reread after every night phase is over, especially over those who've died be they town or scum, to see what I can see with out the ambiguity of their role floating around like a f-ing cloud of doom .-. I usually don't pay much attention when the thread is locked anyways, especially if I have other active games going on, so your attempt to pin something outrageous on me is dully noted . ktksbai~

@SSBF:

It should be obvious that nacho was only mock anwsering to a question that held the same lingo. There's nothing scummy about how he phrased his answer. get out of Town~

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Coward.

You and leaf both.

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I'm as calm as bee buzzing in the wind on a Spring/Summer's day dude.

You just need to stop putting the Hardball into play and not finishing up with it.

Coward.~

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That Townie list is terribad :/

You usually keep quite about those until later...much later o.oa

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We are not voting Nhammen Roleblockers are

not

always Scum.

Where would you put the odds of a town roleblocker in this game?

With two scum teams?? Pretty high sir.

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We are not voting Nhammen Roleblockers are

not

always Scum.

Where would you put the odds of a town roleblocker in this game?

With two scum teams?? Pretty high sir.

Isn't that what, like doctors are for? Roleblockers are usually SCUMZ.

If there's a town role-blocker, then this means there are Scum PRs???

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We are not voting Nhammen Roleblockers are

not

always Scum.

Where would you put the odds of a town roleblocker in this game?

With two scum teams?? Pretty high sir.

Isn't that what, like doctors are for? Roleblockers are usually SCUMZ.

If there's a town role-blocker, then this means there are Scum PRs???

Huh? (That's not what I said, if you were asking. But I'm not the one who thinks that there's a town RB.)

I know that's not what you said. I just don't understand why you don't think there could be a Town RB...

And HI Unsight! ^^/

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Foilist's posts continue to make me wonder why there is even still a vote on him...

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I still think Sevis/shrinehime is one of the Psychos amongst the Sane, but it look like it won't be getting larger then 4 peeps. >.>

Unvote
Vote:Dr.Robotnik

The case on him was the uber, and something needs to happen.

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Oh wow you too! That really tells me how I'm scummy!~ Good Job sons!!

^(^O^)^

/dripping sarcasm

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Ovbious scum??

I honestly can't tell what I've done that's scummy. Maybe if annoying some of you that are on my wagon could be considered scummy, then

maybe

. But beyond that, I'm confundeled.

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That still doesn't dis-spell the fact that that could be thrown down several other people throats in this game. Especially a few of the people that have or had a bandwagon(IE: Robo, Sevis/shrine, Askbob, ect ect)

I think what I'm trying to understand is why you

think

you have scum here. You just say "Oh he's obvious scum! Die now pls! Kthxsbai~" lolwut?

I'm starting to not care that your slot has been confirmed Mason, or other people have been confirmed Mason or Monk. The only one I can see as pure Town based on claim is Veso, in which she has been claimed Monk/Mason. The rest of you, not so much sirs and misses.

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Out of all the people this could apply to...you choose me?? Why?

Interestingly enough this is a question that never really got properly answered.

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Hmmm. I think I see something here...

...no wait.....Nope. Still seeing

BS

.

I haven't "avoided" any points made against me Pom. Nice try there

I've attacked them straight on, and gave them no room to breathe.

I'm still getting this "He's scum! Let's just lynch him already God dammit!!" mentality when people vote me.

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Well Pom, when you say what you said about deflection and vote me all on the same post, it kinda seems that way now doesn't it?

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The reason most people voting me want me gone, isn't because I'm scum, but because Ive ruffled their feathers in some way

Spyrx, Your just as hypocritical as Leaf was, when asked why he chose one out of all the ones that the very same accusations could apply to, only to ignore the question, and stick with that one to the exclusion of all else.

Your gut is also wrong~

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You know what?

Screw it!!

I'm so absolutely f-ing confident that Sevis/Shrine is scum, that I'll willingly go to f-ing noose myself the next day phase if he flips otherwise!

Robonik can wait!! I sees me some Sevis/Shrine scum~

Unvote
Vote:Shrine

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Nikanor I think.

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You know what?

Screw it!!

I'm so absolutely f-ing confident that Sevis/Shrine is scum, that I'll willingly go to f-ing noose myself the next day phase if he flips otherwise!

Robonik can wait!! I sees me some Sevis/Shrine scum~

Unvote
Vote:Shrine

Hilariously sudden change of heart is hilarious sudden.

It's not a change of heart...I've said time and time again that Sevis/Shrine is scum. I've just decided to fuck it and stick it there anyways. I don't care if no one else sees that he is scum. Nothing has told me he isn't otherwise. So what the diddy is your problem???

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It's not a change of heart...I've said time and time again that Sevis/Shrine is scum. I've just decided to fuck it and stick it there anyways. I don't care if no one else sees that he is scum. Nothing has told me he isn't otherwise. So what the diddy is your problem???

The way you said it built it up to be an unbelievably awesome and massive suggestion. In any case, it seems like an odd time to change.

Welp, my ass is firmly planted in the ground with this. I won't be changing my vote anytime soon.

More Sevis/Shrine votes please.

Thanks~

Midnight

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Nope...

must.....resist...I MUST!

Oh yeah! Sevis/Shrine vote is strong in the force with me.

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Sevis/Shrine is scum.

This slot has done far more genuine scum tells then most of the people being voted for today. He posts have been nothing

but

Anti-Town, almost always contradicting of themselves. Several people have been down his back last D-1, and now, now that a NP has gone by, these very same people(Sanzing Vi of course ) are suddenly having cold feet on this slot. A slot that they were so sure was scum last DP. Add to the fact that YET again this slot is going to get away, this slot is seeing so much resistance for being lynched, it isn't even funny. Especially when all anyone has to do is ISO the slot to figure out that he is the answer to this DP's question.

If we're to go with the WIFOM that MAYBE the werewolves killed Vi to frame Sevis/Shrine, there's only two options. This slot is either Town, or its Mafia. Based on his posts, Town is out of the question, so that leaves only being Mafia. So I ask the rest of the Town, whats the difference between Mafia and Werewolves to us???

Let me answer for you, there isn't one. Either one is scum, both of which is our solemn duty to our Wincon to expunge.

So ask you all now. Whats the bloody hold up?? It sure as hell aint me, thats for sure.

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Add to the fact that YET again this slot is going to get away, this slot is seeing so much resistance for being lynched, it isn't even funny.

Actually I'm pretty much on everyone's list except SSBF's. No one is explicitly resisting. Dr. Robotnik & others are just higher up.

There are several signs of resistance, one being people finding the slot scummy, but going for the easy lynch instead. Resistance. It is not black and white.

If we're to go with the WIFOM that MAYBE the werewolves killed Vi to frame Sevis/Shrine, there's only two options. This slot is either Town, or its Mafia. Based on his posts, Town is out of the question, so that leaves only being Mafia.

I don't see why Vi has to have been killed to frame anyone. A power player is a threat to anyone if he's not on their side.

Town is in the question. Sevis was newb/VI/whatever.[/quote]

No. Sevis was not newb/VI/whatever. Vi himself even said his play this game was unlike him.

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There are several signs of resistance, one being people finding the slot scummy, but going for the easy lynch instead..

Let's be serious here.

Sevis lynch is easier than the Robotnik one. Latter can defend his actions.

But I was being serious. Are you trying to use the Replacement Halo card here?

Heres where he said so about Sevis:

I don't disagree with Lowell accusing Sevis tbh. I keep getting the impression of an experienced player holding way way way back.

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MS is making awesome arguments against Shrine, and is definately not relying on the words of a dead townie to make his case. And he's definately not creating a strawman by talking about NK WIFOM repeatedly.

... and yet you don't vote him?? Your sudden change in view point is kinda disconcerting...

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@MS: It's hard to tell with leafsnail, but I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

I think I'll agree with you on that one

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umm....your not in danger of being hammered anymore I don't think dude I think a few of your voters moved towards Sevis/Shrine

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@MS: It's hard to tell with leafsnail, but I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

If you found that hard to decipher... Jesus.

Then, by no words or actions but your own, you have done a complete 180 on your stance on Sevis/Srhine player slot, from yesterday.

This begs the ultimate question.

Why??

Please provide a fully detailed, and in-depth, answer to the question.

Little answers that doge the question, answers that dwell in the realm of pure WIFOM, and a question for a question will not suffice for an answer.

You have been warned~

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It's pretty simple Leaf.

I asked you a question.

It demands an answer.

I don't see any protown reason

not

to answer.

-shrug-

Stop stalling please~

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-shrug-

If you can't even manage to answer a simple question Leafsnail, then you are, by every stretch of the imagination, Anti-Town by every aspect of the word.

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@SSBF:

It''s not a cat fight. He's been saying he thinks Sevis/Shrine is scum. Therefore he shouldn't be having any trouble joining it's wagon. He is seemingly adamant now about not lynching Sevis/Shrine anymore, and I just wondered why.

-shrug-

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WELL

I'm

sorry SSBF!! Just let me sit my ass down and let the grown-ups do the talking~ Right? Is that what you want??

-shrug-

I'm not really all that concerned on whether your sick and tired of hearing it.

I asked him a question. HELL! I

have

asked him a question before, and I STILL have yet to get an answer for it. And now he dodges this one. It certainly can't be because he hasn't seen it. It was right there in black as he quoted it. Simple dodging of the question asked is simple~

He did not answer either question directed at him. 1. Why me over the other people his reasons could be applied to? <Has yet to be answered.
and

2. Why the complete 180 on his stance on Sevis/Shrine?<Is getting dodged point blank.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that is not how this game works. You do not get a question with out first having answered the one already directed at you. One of which he has yet to answer this far into the day phase. And I am

still

waiting on it. Patiently

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EBWOP(in bold):

You do not get

to ask a

question with out first having answered the one already directed at you

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And we already did push Midnight's Sorrow. The result was

practically zero scum hunting

and lots of "lol wut" type posts. That's not the "oh let's go look elsewhere" signal, that's the "DIE SCUM DIE" signal.

Basically sums up what I think we got from Midnight's Sorrow. It also created a

huge mess

for town to clean up (As if finding scum wasn't challenging enough).

The bolded is somewhat laughable to me. I

have

been scumhunting sir and miss. It's what you can equate to this.."huge mess" you speak of. I am just 100% more sure about Sevis/Shrine then I am about the others. His flip will definitely confirm some if not all of the rest.

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I never said I was attacking Sevis/Shrine because

You

picked him out. I was quite clear that I got this course of action by Vi's posts. So I don't get where your getting this 'Vi and I' from.

-shrug-

And the Sevis/Shrine slot has become more scummy to me

without

Vi's input from D1 thanks you very much.

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Oh. I have gone beyond observing Sevis/Shrine as scum LMP. There is no doubt in my mind anymore. Sevis/Shrine will flip scum.

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Oh. I have gone beyond observing Sevis/Shrine as scum LMP. There is no doubt in my mind anymore. Sevis/Shrine will flip scum.

There's something called over-confidence.

-shrug-

I'm not over confident. I'm just put two and two together, thus the answer becoming as clear as day to me. I'm sticking my vote where my mouth is, and where the evidence is pointing me to.

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I don't know where you get the idea that I'm wrong or randomly accusing, leaf. I never said you said those things directly. I said your actions today stated thus. Last DP you where gun-ho about Sevis being scum, and now your on quite the opposite train of thought this phase.


-shrug-

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Here I is, posting in the shiny new thread



Anyways.

Sevis/Shrine is scum.

This slot has done far more genuine scum tells then most of the people being voted for today. He posts have been nothing but Anti-Town, almost always contradicting of themselves. Several people have been down his back last D-1, and now, now that a NP has gone by, these very same people(Sanzing Vi of course ) are suddenly having cold feet on this slot. A slot that they were so sure was scum last DP. Add to the fact that YET again this slot is going to get away, this slot is seeing so much resistance for being lynched, it isn't even funny. Especially when all anyone has to do is ISO the slot to figure out that he is the answer to this DP's question.

If we're to go with the WIFOM that MAYBE the werewolves killed Vi to frame Sevis/Shrine, there's only two options. This slot is either Town, or its Mafia. Based on his posts, Town is out of the question, so that leaves only being Mafia. So I ask the rest of the Town, whats the difference between Mafia and Werewolves to us???

Let me answer for you, there isn't one. Either one is scum, both of which is our solemn duty to our Wincon to expunge.

So ask you all now. Whats the bloody hold up?? It sure as hell aint me, thats for sure.

Abridged for those on the go go~ More Sevis/Shrine slot votes please and thank yous~

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Sevis/Shrine wagon is where the actions at~

A vote for this solt is a vote for scum~

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I've always been told that Vi's death had no bearing on anything related to Sevis/Shrines alignment, and that I was looking too much into everything.

Well sirs and misses. There is

only

three distinct possibilities there.

Part one:

Werewolves kill Vi to frame Sevis

(More Probable)

I have already touched base on this possibility, but I have said if this is the case, then only two options remain on who he(Sevis/Shrine) will flip as. Mafia or Town. I have also already said that the possibility of him being Town is dismal when put up against his posts, that say nothing, if not more so, Anti-Town then they do Pro-Town. This leaves only the option of turning up Mafia. Again, what does it matter if we lynch Mafia or Werewolf this phase?? None if you have your thinking caps on straight~

Part two:

Werewolves kill Vi to WIFOM people off their scumbuddy

(Less likely)

As you can see, if this was the case Werewolves, sorry~ I live and thrive on that junk~ If the Werewolves killed Vi for making a huge deal out of Sevis, its possible that they did that to lay some steam off him, cause you know people here They see WIFOM, and they run away with their tails between their legs. This still does not detract from the fact that if this were the case, he will still flip scum to Town, and needs to be gonzer. Like. Right now please~

Part three:

The Finale~ Vi was just killed because he was a power player

(*Gasp* OMG!! Why didn't I think of this /sarcasm :Most likely)

Welp. It certainly is the most possible. But why should that matter? He's a good player, and flipped Town, therefore his words should be looked at more closely then they (seemingly) have been. Do the dead have no voice on MafiaScum. net??? Hardly should this be the case. If he's a good player, then he probably saw something we didn't ^^ Plus he's on our team, so he will get FULL SUPPORT FROM ME~~ This still does not ditract from the fact that if this is the case, Sevis/Shrine still has a high possibility of being scum. I personally don't care Whether or not he flips Mafia or Werewolf, but I am confident enough to know that he most certainly will not flip Town. I bet my neck on it

Its a Win/Win/Win no matter how you look at it. SO WHATS THERE TO LOSE!!~~

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Get out of town Leaf. You don't vote him because you don't to vote your scumbuddy. It has nothing to do with 'good faith'

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Ooooh, sign me up!

You're willing to bet your life and reputation on Shrine being scum? Haha. Sold!

BM

sorry Parma!! I Already ninjaed that honor if that happens

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Has everyone seemingly forgotten that there are two scum groups, Mafia and Werewolves?? Cause I swear to God, every time I see some of your posts I feel that you have...>.>;;

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Has everyone seemingly forgotten that there are two scum groups, Mafia and Werewolves?? Cause I swear to God, every time I see some of your posts I feel that you have...>.>;;

Weren't you the one to say it didn't make a difference, regardless of scum alignment? I think this is some serious flip-flopping here.

*Epic facepalm*

No Sir I haven't flip flopped anything. Good God >.>...can you people...you know...PRETEND to understand teh context of whats being written for a second here?? Please?? Its a simple request?

I did say it doesn't matter whether someone flips Mafia or Werewolf, but that is not what that post meant by any means. I will let you...you know...TRY to discern the actual meaning of it, for yourself. Im not here to hold your hand you know

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WE'ER SCREAMING AGAIN!!! WHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYY!?!?!?! ;O

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@LMP

If thats what you want to think

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Is it me? Or do I already smell the fine hint of a jest in the evening winds?

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Wheres that hammer of impunity that is the Spyrex???

Come hither please......please??

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He came D: !

And he smashed!

I'd cross me fingers....buuuuuuuuutttttttttt.

I'll most certainly be pleasantly surprised if he flips town.

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hmmm....*taps finger on chin*

I can't quite put my finger on it.....but I'm certain I sensing something afoot here! D:

I shall find this out with out fail!! *shakes fists in the air* D:<

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<Insert pleasant surprise at Sevis/Shrine flip

Oh well. I was serious when I said his flip, no matter what it was, would say LOADS about other people~

Vote:Unsight

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Unsight is scum for KNOWING it would be a mislynch,and therefore not have any part of it.

Nice try leaf~

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Oh. Stop being such a downer Leaf. Your in the same boat as well~
Plus add the fact that you were asked questions, and you dodged them. Which by the way, is Anti-Town~

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Now now Leaf. You can't decide whether or not a question is 'valid', and not answer them because of that. A question is a question, and if your town, it shouldn't matter how 'valid' it is, you just anwser it and move on. Yet you didn't even have the common decency to do even that. So yeah, you

have

avoided questions.

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So you don't think there's scm in those who blatantly refused to join either wagon of Sevis/Shrine, Dr.Robo; Parma??

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Then why do you assume that Unsight is...how did you put it...'dumbtown" then?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

The most numbers of scum in this could be is 8...four to each mafia. At the most. -shrugs-

So who do you think is scum on the list of those who didn't join them then?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Being frank is always a good thing most of the time.

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ITT: Midnight's Sorrow claims people are scum for not mislynching a townie. Also, you promised you'd take a lynch if he flipped town. I suppose you forgot about that one, huh?

I haven't forgotten it Leaf. If the

Town

as a whole feels this is necessary, I will gladly do it. But two does not a whole town make, and I don't even consider you and SSBF town anyways so call me ballzy.~

Which valid questions do you think I've dodged?

First, I've already answered that "question"(Lulz, if your gonna ask a question use this baby '?' It works wonders~).

And let's see....hmmm....there was the one where you practically gave a repetition on why you were voting me, when the question wasn't "Why are you voting MS" but "Why him, when others could apply to your reasoning's" You didn't even mention the other people, and just said what you said in your vote post. That wasn't an answer. Then there was the one where you were asked "Why are you not voting Sevis/Shrine when you think him scummy?" You pretty much dodged that one. I just wonder why...-shrugs-

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I haven't forgotten it Leaf. If the Town as a whole feels this is necessary, I will gladly do it. But two does not a whole town make, and I don't even consider you and SSBF town anyways so call me ballzy.~

This does not require a response. You said you were so sure he was scum you'd die if he wasn't.

Now you've amended that to "If the town lynches me, I'll be lynched".

I just wonder why a Townie role would jump on it as quick as you have....

Also: ANSWER. THE. FUCKING. QUESTION. NOW.

Explain, firstly, how Unsight could "know" it was gonna be a mislynch. I suppose you're accusing him (and me) of being Mafia Werewolves?

LMFAO!!!

Shouldn't it be obvious that I am??? Must I hold your hand, as we cross the busy street??

I found Sevis scummy on day one. By day two he was blatantly being bandwagonned by scum. Also, you're calling me scum for not MISLYNCHING a damn TOWNIE again.

And what pray tell does Sevis/Shrine eventually flipping Town have anything to do with D2???

And I've said why I'm voting you again. And again. And again. AND FUCKING AGAIN. Noone else is deflecting like you are. If someone is randomly deflecting instead of defending/ explaining their actions when pushed (fairly randomly, at first) they are scum.

And again, the question wasn't even really about me, but the others that your beginning reasons could apply to. You seem to think that the things AFTER the fact are important. Yet they aren't. Not even close.

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@

MOD: Could you fix those quote tags for me.
Please?? With a cherry on top?

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I just wonder why a Townie role would jump on it as quick as you have....

Blatant lying scum is blatant.

ORly!? And how does that statement even come close to a lie?? Why would a Townie jump on someone saying they would die if a wrong flip happened?

At the very least there would be some form of hesitancy, cause I can't see any Pro-Town reason for wanting an easy lynch~

Shouldn't it be obvious that I am??? Must I hold your hand, as we cross the busy street??

Ok. So you're accusing him of being a role that doesn't exist.

Awesome.

MAfi.Werewolf. Doesn't really matter to me which one she flips. Both roles are scum, and there fore exist in this game, which might I add, is a

Mafia vs. Werewolf

game~

And what pray tell does Sevis/Shrine eventually flipping Town have anything to do with D2???

And what pray tell is

that

look for? His flip has absolutely nothing with why you decided point blank to not join his wagon, or that of Dr. Robo. Both of which were good ones, DEPSITE the eventual flip.

And again, the question wasn't even really about me, but the others that your beginning reasons could apply to. You seem to think that the things AFTER the fact are important. Yet they aren't. Not even close.

Noone else has been acting in even remotely the same way. Please name someone who's had the same reaction when pushed, for instance.

LOL. You seem to be missing the point. You keep bring up shit that happened AFTER the fact to give an 'adequate' answer. The first time the question was asked of you was BEFORE that stuff happened. Please do try and get with the program here.

kthkxbai~

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@MS - Nice misrep.

Kindly point me to where exactly, instead of just saying so and that be it~

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@Unsight:

And yet...I love how you said all that...and STILL not say exactly what you found scummy in those people. How exceptional!

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@Nacho:

Any reason why you used your one shot kill on nhammen??

Curious George is curious

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I see then.

Unvote
Vote:Socrates

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Unvote
Vote: Unsight

This wagon needs to happen please and thank you.

Anybody have a good case of silver bullets laying around?

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I am sure one of either the monk or the masons are mafia seeing how the kill goes.

SO...Are you thinking what I'm thinking? And that your remaining Mason and Monk buddy might be the Psycho amongst the Sane or the Wolf amongst the Sheep??

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<Insert pleasant surprise at Sevis/Shrine flip

Pleasant?

He came D: !

And he smashed!

I'd cross me fingers....buuuuuuuuutttttttttt.

I'll most certainly be

pleasantly surprised

if he flips town.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

So vezo. What do you think about your remaining monk and mason buddy? Think they could be the 'ones'??

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Vezo...any reason why you don't comment on your remaining monk and mason buddy possibly being the mafia or werewolf?

I'm not asking for names...I'm asking if you think it possible that they may be the ones we're looking for D:

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LMFAO!!

It was neither redundant nor stupid in any way shape or form to ask vezo whether or not he thought his remaining mason and monk buddy could be the the mafia or werewolf. If the possibility of a mason or monk are them, it would be the remaining one left who wasn't vezo . I wasn't rolefishing, nor was I deflecting. I was asking the Monk/Mason if he thought it possible. I got my answer, and that is all.

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ITT Parma speaks sense...

If no one is going to ride the Unsight wagon, then I guess it wouldn't hurt to join the next best one~

Unvote
Vote: Socrates

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lol. I'm not 'copping' out of anything. The Unsight wagon doesn't look like its going to get any fuller(Because some people...>.>...stubborn..), and I already said I think Socrates scum. And look! His wagon is in better shape then Unsight's is.

Whatever gets scum off the playing field. It doesn't matte to me which one gets off first. -shrugs-

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@Leaf:

What promise has been broken??

If you think 'willing' equates to self voting and/or self hammering, you have the wrong guy. I rarely, if any, self vote, and I sure as hell do not self hammer. It's stupid.

I still don't know why your trying to push that though

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Hmm....>_0

Unvote

I think this thread needs a little Midnight magic D:

Will have a post with my scum list and why I think them scummy hopefully by the end of the day

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Ah, but you know your my scumbuddy Leafsnail

To the edge and beyond~

Scumlist a WiP

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Vote:Pomegrante