Supernatural mafia - Mafia team wins!!!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: ReaperCharlie

Because Reapers are scum in the Supernatural Universe

And not only just there.
Actually, everywhere.

Vote: KageLord

(your username was randomly stuck in my head yesterday, and I didn't know where I'd heard it from, and when I just looked at the player list for a random vote, there you were and I was like 'ahhh, that's it... it is a mafiascum player.' ...and I cursed your existence.)

[ReaperCharlie]

Hunt: Starbuck

for starting this bad habit which is clearly scum-motivated to stop us from ever lynching someone.

I concur. She gets

Worst

Place!

Hunt: Starbuck

[ReaperCharlie]

GUYS! GUYS!

We have our first lie~

Its Nox, not Konata~

Bandwagon is a go~

Nonononono, "Nox" is a Harry Potter spell, to turn off "Lumos".

YOU

are the liar!

Hunt: Midnight Sorrow

[ReaperCharlie]

Hunt: Robocopter

his avatar told me to.

What a blatant lie. His avatar told you to VOTE robocopter, not HUNT him.

Unvote; Vote: animorpherv1

[ReaperCharlie]

LOL @ my fail.

[ReaperCharlie]

Now that I read the player list again, I would be completely fine with policy lynching BlazezRb, Chronopie, or Midnight's Sorrow. Seriously.

[ReaperCharlie]

@RC

Chrono is a viable policy. No to sorrow, don't know about Blaze.

If you did... you'd want to policy lynch him even harder than chrono

[ReaperCharlie]

- Significantly more often than not, I'm town (like 85:15)

WIFOM

- I'm usually vanilla

WIFOM

- I have a clear history of being

mislynch

bait.

this is your own fault.

I mean, I know I'm not the best

Scum

Demon

-hunter

and you provide yet

another

great reason to lynch you early and ask questions later

[ReaperCharlie]

@RC:

0.o Wth did I ever do you to incite that reaction?

you serious?

[ReaperCharlie]

As town we generally don't have a lot at our disposal. Information is our greatest tool and we'll need as much as possible. Resistance in this arena is scummy.

This is actually a really great point. This information could be useful to the town, so they should provide it.

You say "the town" like you aren't part of us.

igmeoy

Can we stop with the RC thing for being ReaperCharlie. I know thats his acronym originally but its kinda confusing for me. Can't we call him Reaper for one game?

Hi robo, I added you so you wouldn't feel left out. There's a club, see?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=RC

[ReaperCharlie]

hmmmm... i must have forgotten to use [sarcasm] tags...

i guess they didn't make the port over from phpbb2, sry

[ReaperCharlie]

Wellllll hello there beetle juice

[ReaperCharlie]

What a blatant lie. His avatar told you to VOTE robocopter, not HUNT him.

Unvote; Vote: animorpherv1

So you got to the trouble of attacking Ani for incorrectly parsing Robo’s avatar when Hunting is this game’s mechanic and then immediately make a fail Hunt on Ani? Interesting.

Yeah... pretty much

[ReaperCharlie]

You policy lynch, if at all, early because there is a general lack of information. Once the game is several Days deep you should be lynching on gameplay and gameplay alone.

Damn did I like post 125, especially this snip. I do agree that policing early is the way to go. It often just spurs into discussion. Policing mid-game more or less occurs when the acts of the initial desired policy unfold. So if we were going to policy lynch someone like chrono for poor play and lurking habits, but choose not to, and his gameplay turns out to be exactly that: poor play/lurking then we are lynching based on gameplay but it could for some be construed as a mid-game policy lynch.

Bam. This.

Which is why I want to lynch Chronopie, BlazezRb, or whoever the third person was I mentioned.


@ Starbuck + LMP: I've already stated that it was posted in sarcasm.

[ReaperCharlie]

Obstinant players are anti-town and more often than not, scum.

IMO this part of your post is WIFOM. I've seen many players (namely, Jack) play suuuuper-obstinate before, while simultaneously being the towniest townie that ever towned.

Also, Starbuck is particularly obstinate, like she was in Left 4 Dead Mafia, and she ended up being quite, quite town in that game as well. As did the person she was arguing with, DizzyIzzy13.

Not to mention, if I were in a hydra (which I have been), I would be doing it for anonymity reasons, and I wouldn't want to reveal who I was (which I didn't), even if asked. I find nothing strange or suspicious in that.

I also find nothing strange or suspicious in Benmage and Starbuck wanting to know who the hydra's are. It's part of situational awareness. Not knowing who someone is and having exactly no meta on them is a complete wildcard, and there's no way you can prepare for how experienced or skilled they are or aren't.

Personally, I'd like to know who all players are, but also personally, if I was half of a hydra, I would want to remain anonymous too. I have no opinion on the matter other than that. Drop it.

Wow, my shotgun and trying to understand this conversation is giving me a headache.

Is hydrak and Genarichhydra both hydras?

Looks like we have a VI here. Which is one of the reasons I wanted a policy lynch. Omfg, if you saw how BlazezRb played in [ongoing game reference redacted], you'd totally know what I was talking about. Seriously. Go look at BlazezRb's past games. W. T. F.

If your talking about Obvscurm. obviously I acted that way so I could get votes so I could use my ability ....

You acted like that long after you were dead too

HAHAHAHA I was about ready to pile-drive you. Bust a Zangief and sh*t. OMFG that was annoying.

This is actually a really great point. This information could be useful to the town, so they should provide it.

You say "the town" like you aren't part of us.

igmeoy

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

hmmmm... i must have forgotten to use [sarcasm] tags...

i guess they didn't make the port over from phpbb2, sry

Oh, well, you know sarcasam and the interwebz... they are mortal enemies.

Ok, so you are ready to drop it then, but when Starbuck comes up and says:

This is actually a really great point. This information could be useful to the town, so they should provide it.

You say "the town" like you aren't part of us.

I didn't get that feeling. This feels to be like you are trying to put suspicion where there really is none.

Then all of a sudden you think its oooOOOoooo! suspicious! once again.

Seems like you just made a halfway joking case about a joking comment I made, knowing it'd fall through, but then when someone else picked up the scent, you pretended you were serious the first time. Hmmmmm....

Hunt: ReaperCharlie

for having the best avatar in the thread... and for knowing the counterspell for Lumos. Burn the witch!

Hunt: KageLord

There's insufficient evidence to burn him. Does he weigh the same as a duck?

LOL!

[ReaperCharlie]

- Significantly more often than not, I'm town (like 85:15)
- I'm usually vanilla
- I have a clear history of being mislynch bait.

NONE of which affect your randomly assigned role choice in this game. That's saying "don't lynch me because there's more town than there are scum so you're probably going to hit town".

That said, I'm generally against policy lynches - could someone please explain why a policy lynch on Chronopie would happen?

Because generally even as town he ends up being more of a hindrance to the town than a help, either for some bad reasoning on his part, or by picking the wrong (subjective) person to perform night actions on, and then coming to the wrong (objective) conclusions about what results his night actions yielded, etc. For a shining example, check out Mini 979: Square Enix II: Siege of Obscurum. He came to a terrible conclusion that cleared the godfather for the entire remainder of the game, and the scum coasted on to a perfect victory, riding mostly on Chronopie's mistake in a crucial circumstance.

Ironically, I (one of the scum) was playing the (fake) devil's advocate, and kept shouting at the town "NO! CHRONO AND HIS TARGET ARE

NOT

CONFIRMED TOWN! IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT ONE OR BOTH ARE SCUM!" ... but everyone, thinking Chrono knew what he was talking about (because after all, it was HIS ability that the decision was being made off of, not mine), and they followed him off the cliff like a bunch of good little sheep. It was f*cking awesome, yes, I admit. But as

town

, I hate playing beside Chronopie because I know he's probably gonna f*ck something else up too. More examples can be found in ongoing games if that's not enough for you to believe me.

And then again, if by chance he does end up flipping scum then.. whoopee we've just hit scum Day 1.

I've never been a part of a policy lynch (or even seen one happen in a game I'm in, actually), but it seems like a good idea for some reason. I get the willies about Chronopie. Maybe it's his Appeal to Probability here... actually, I think I'm certain that's why. Quoted again for reference:

I don't understand why I'd make a good policy lynch.

- Significantly more often than not, I'm town (like 85:15)
- I'm usually vanilla

- I have a clear history of being mislynch bait.

So yeah... two reasons why he's an awesome lynch.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hunt:KageLord

This is the second time you've voted him, and in another post you specifically call him scum. He only has two posts. Are you still in RVS? If not, what exactly do you find scummy?

This never got answered... Midnight's Sorrow just went and voted for someone else instead of answering the question.

I personally don't really care if GH says who he/she/they is/are. I'm more interested in how much Benmage is pushing it. He does have a point about obstinate players, but I'm not sure there is enough evidence to say that GH is that much of a problem yet. If they are really set on not revealing that information, they must have some reason for it. I'm not sure if there would be more of a scum motive behind it than a town motive. This just seems like useless arguing to me.

Yeah, it does seem like a useless argument, but you do bring up a good point. The amount Benmage pushed it began to catch my attention more and more as I read on.

Wow... I thought people had more common sense than this. By "I'm more interested", I meant that I am more interested in that than in finding out who GH is. Thanks for the misrep though.

That's exactly my point, it isn't a misrep at all. Which accounts make up the two heads of the hydra is more important to the game than which characters got which powers. Dismissing that the identities of the two heads could be useful information while saying you are more interested in the fluff seems scummy to me.

I disagree. Entirely.

And I don't even know anything about the show, and therefore have no interest or presuppositions in the possible assignments of roles and abilities. Setup speculation is a great tool, if you ask me. I use it freely and openly, all the time. So many people think it's scummy, and I don't know why. It helps get the job done, and helps us to WIN; therefore, it is pro-town. And either way, it's a heck of a lot more useful than hounding two unwilling players playing under the same name for information that they've already stated that they're not going to provide. That is what is called a "fruitless endeavour", which may also be classified as anti-town, if we're counting.

It is often the case that scum are given safeclaims. And farside is an experienced girl. Name claiming is a bad idea.

Agreed.

Wow, I like post 140 for the most part. I'm actually impressed by the amount of effort jmj put into it, given his severe lack of effort in a similar situation in an ongoing game. I might have to use ongoing-game-meta here... quick, somebody crucify me for being scummy enough to suggest ongoing-game-meta!!!

Ok, so my thoughts so far: most of this game has been focused on finding out who the two heads of GH are. Treat the account as what it is named after: a creature with two heads that have separate minds sharing one body. All finding out the heads of the hydra are will accomplish is helping establish two metas that are more than likely being played against. They aren't going to reveal themselves, they have stated their reasons why, let it go. For continuing to ask for their identities, both Benmage and Starbuck have earned my wary eyes on them and their posts.

Yes. I agree.

Now, about what KageLord said: why be so interested in the characters put into the game? I can think of at least 10 different characters off the top of my head, but due to events in the show, not a single one of them can be confirmed town or scum just by us knowing their name. Let us find out what characters were included through lynches and deaths, not speculation.

I wouldn't know, but you sound like you know what you're talking about. I'd sheep ya.

After looking at you in ISO, I see at least 2 things I really don't like about your posts: 1) the amount of WIFOM in your posts (noticeably the whole first paragraph of post 138) and 2) you saying we should hold off on the policy lynching until later.

I don't quite agree with you here. Both are indicative of newbie play as well as scum play, and looking at his join date, I don't get the vibe that he's a grizzled veteran of forum mafia. But... indirect semi-defense of KageLord's newbiness aside, yes, these are valid scumtells when applied to more seasoned players. I just think he's too new to understand what he did wrong in suggesting holding off policy lynching. It doesn't exactly say much on the wiki page and there's not really any other way he could have learned about that in the 3 games he said he's played. Like I said earlier, I've still never seen a PL that's gone through.

You sound like someone who got affronted when they didn't acquiesce to your request, so rather then try to persuade them, you attack them and try to build a case off of a simple no.

There's a lot of long words in that sentence, I'm naught but a humble pirate!

I'd be inclined to guess that Farside would've either a) provided safe/fakeclaims and/or b) switched around roles (HP mafia anyone?) and/or c) inserted unusual roles to throw us off.

For those who are wondering what he means by this, there was a 2004 Harry Potter game where Harry, Ron, and Hermione were the Mafia. It was pretty epic, I assume. Way before I got here, but I went back and read it because it's a popular example of people doing just that: switching around roles to confuse the f*ck out of people.

The argument about our identities is ridiculous/a total waste of time. The Day only lasts 2 weeks (I'm accustomed to 3 week deadlines). I'm slightly dissapointed at Benmage for continuing to pursue the matter; I'd thought that it would end with jmj3000's #144. If you

really

have issues with an anonymous hydra, send a PM to the mod.

Yeap. This about sums it up. If anyone has anything further to say about this, speak now or forever hold your peace.

[ReaperCharlie]

2. This is based on meta, which is

NULL

.

Rule #6 of 'Applying Meta for Geeks': When applied to VIs, metagaming is never null, and should not be considered as such.

I'm guessing we are out of RVS

Guess all you want, but someone will always prove you wrong. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[ReaperCharlie]

1. Who the heck is Mistu?
2. W.T.F. was

what

for?

[ReaperCharlie]

I must have missed it in my readthrough. Care to link to where he answers it? Thx

[ReaperCharlie]

@MS: Quoting it is fine.


@Kage: Why are you trying to answer questions for him? Let him answer them himself.
In case you are not aware, which you obviously aren't, that's generally considered pretty scummy behavior.

[ReaperCharlie]

1. Who the heck is Mistu?
2. W.T.F. was

what

for?

WOW!!

Wrong game. lol. ignore 1.

Um, case in point about the VI...
Not quite sure if he set me up for that on purpose, or what...

2. what was with the

Guess all you want, but someone will always prove you wrong. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

about.

It is what it is.
Read and absorb.

Real 1. Who do you think is town and scum?

Loaded question?

Real answer: Too early to tell ATP. Nobody's made any slips yet that I can see.

[ReaperCharlie]

Read your signature and realize that you have much to learn, Padawan.

[/pompous jerk]

[ReaperCharlie]

To me, if we don't have meta for a certian player its no big deal.

For me it is a big deal. I like to know who I'm dealing with, their experience level, if I've personally played with them before. Something to refer to is nice. However we are going no where in this discussion, so whatever...and your vote rocked *sarcasm*.

Why is it such a big deal to you? Isn't that the whole point of a hydra?

[ReaperCharlie]

Seems like you just made a halfway joking case about a joking comment I made, knowing it'd fall through, but then when someone else picked up the scent, you pretended you were serious the first time. Hmmmmm....

You went to all the quoting trouble multiple posts and come to no conclusion? This looks like an subtle attempt to paint LynchMe and Starbuck as scummy without outright supporting it.

Not really. I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

Loaded question?

Real answer: Too early to tell ATP. Nobody's made any slips yet that I can see.

You had no problems identifying Town reads early on in Stardust Mafia. Why the reluctance here?

That was a Smalltown, so... yea that made it a bit easier...

Also, *whispering*

Hint: I was scum in that game.

Also what do you think of Kagelord's fence-sitting regarding a Chrono policy lynch that I previously highlighted?

I'll have to read again. I didn't notice that... and I didn't notice you calling him out on it. Where?

If history is any less easjo is just going to show up, say nothing in her posts, and lurk further. Hopefully she will not respond and can be replaced.

This.

Hey, a man can hope.

----

You seem pretty pro-town so far with your walls of text. What do you think of Starbuck and Benmage so far?

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, this one's not. Drop it and continue with the game, foo! Or do you really have no place better to look?!*

* Cue someone saying: "ooh look! reaper's chainsaw defending GH! they are scum together! lynchlynchlynch!"

[ReaperCharlie]

Ahem.

Seems like you (LMP) just made a halfway joking case about a joking comment I made, knowing it'd fall through, but then when someone else picked up the scent, you pretended you were serious the first time.

You went to all the quoting trouble multiple posts and come to no conclusion? This looks like an subtle attempt to paint LynchMe

and Starbuck

as scummy without outright supporting it.

I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but

I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck

. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

Your attempt to paint

SB and me

as scum for pointing it out even doubly so.

First of all, I said nothing about

SB

being scummy for pointing it out. You (and Magna) seem to be latching onto that I said you

and SB

were scummy together, which I didn't. In fact, I never even mentioned her by name.


Secondly, your latching onto Magna's questioning and bringing it to the point of hunting me is very interesting. You even parroted almost word-for-word the exact same phrase as him.

This looks like an subtle attempt to paint LynchMe and Starbuck as scummy

Your attempt to paint SB and me as scum

Noted.

Not really. I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

Then why didn’t you outright call LMP scummy? Using “Hmmmm” as a proxy gives you an out to say you didn’t think he was should you need to at a later day (or it did until this conversation, anyway). Leaving yourself ‘breathing room’is not Pro-Town.

Ok, I can see that. Not really on purpose, and you're reading too much into it, but if you think non-committal things like that are of importance, let me ask you this:

What do you think of LMP leaving

himself

'breathing room' by not following up his suspicion of my joke (because, after all, sarcasm and the internet aren't friends, or something), and then once Starbuck thought the same thing about my comment, LMP pretended that it's valid again all of a sudden? Is that not the very definition of what you just described?

You had no problems identifying Town reads early on in Stardust Mafia. Why the reluctance here?

Speaking of which, you seem pretty confident... who are YOUR town reads?

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll have to read again. I didn't notice that... and I didn't notice you calling him out on it. Where?

You will find it here.

Oh yeah now that you show me, I remember seeing it.

To answer you: Yeah, I think it's interesting, but not necessarily a huge tell.

[ReaperCharlie]

I’ve gone back to read the exchange to get a full feeling of whether the situation is analogous, as you suggest. The sequence of events as I see it.

[quotes snipped]

You comment that LMP appears to be separating himself from Town (an accusation, however small, that he is scummy). He says it’s ridiculous. You back-track and say you were being sarcastic. He says sarcasm and the web ‘don’t mix’. I think he was pretty clear when he called your initial statement ridiculous, but he didn’t come out and directly say it was scummy. So in context it does warrant attention.

On the other hand your immediate back-track in saying you were being sarcastic when it doesn’t appear you were also appears scummy.

It's not a backtrack to say you're being sarcastic.

Speaking of which, you seem pretty confident... who are YOUR town reads?

I think we had this discussion in Stardust … I don’t give explicit Town reads Day 1. I don’t believe in them. Now I have to decide if you truly forgot that or you are attempting to use that knowledge in a back-handed attack on me.

Uhhh... I forgot, duh. Why would I remember that? It wasn't important to my wincon then, and it isn't now. You were just some punk that got killed off early on in that game.

And why would I be trying to attack you? Is it now considered 'attacking someone' to ask them questions about who they think is town or scum?

You seem pretty defensive overall... without any good reason. Something to hide, perhaps?

And for the record – why I asked you in the first place is because your play here is suddenly very similar to your Day 1 Stardust play. Thus my interest has been piqued and I was curious how you would react to the question.

So what's the verdict? Is it scummy that I don't think things you think are scummy, are scummy?

To answer you: Yeah, I think it's interesting, but not necessarily a huge tell.

More weasel-wording from you. It’s interesting (which is again code for scummy) but not a huge tell. So you can go either way on it. And I’m curious how large a scum-tell you are expecting to see this early Day 1?

Those aren't weasel words, that's called an honest answer to what appears to be an honest question. I call them as I see them. Do you think I'm deliberately trying to pick and choose what things I think are scummy or not, so as to please others, like yourself? Please. Give me a break and get over yourself.

And anyway, you just answered your own question. If something's not blatantly scummy, what do you expect me to call it?

How big of a scum-tell are YOU expecting to see on Day 1?

[ReaperCharlie]

anyone with knowledge of the show knows that most of the characters have equal amounts of good and evil in them, and thus can be swayed at any time, not to mention possession.

Seriously? ...crap.

I mean... awesome. I must say, I am pretty interested to find out what kind of roles and mechanics are in this game as well. I am pretty glad I joined this game after all, even though it took forever and a day to fill.

I think his fence-sitting is blatantly scummy. Thus I called it that.

But less scummy than KageLord being interested in the setup, I presume. At least, that's what I gather from looking at who you are Hunting.

I expect the scum-tells on Day 1 to be much smaller than any other Day. Day 1 scum-hunting is by nature going to be the hardest. The potential scum-tells will be the smallest as we have the least information to work from. I liken it to working on the small bit of puffy drywall you find. As you dig into it sometimes it is just puffy due to condensation. Sometimes there’s dry-rot and other damage beneath. But you aren’t going to find out if you don’t go digging.

Well put.

[ReaperCharlie]

Just checking in, have had a busy couple of days and should be caught up between tonight and Saturday morning.

*predicts in advance that Starbuck will inter-game OMGUS-tunnel on him just like Magna*

[ReaperCharlie]

My my my! How nice of all these people to drop by, check in, and/or otherwise announce their here-ness.

Please do us all a favor and read the thread (in its entirety, not skimming), and provide us with your top three suspects and/or points of interest in this format:
1. Apparently Nero Cain has a very suspicious mustache.
2. MagnaofIllusion is a large monster from Japan. Obvscum.
3. ReaperCharlie's avatar has kamina glasses. Lynch on sight.

And then preferably, a vote would be awesome too. It is also preferably that your vote be on one of your above suspects.

Love,
ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

*ebwop:

Insert 'preferable' vice 'preferably', where applicable. And as per MoI, 'hunt' vice 'vote', where applicable.

@ani:

it's still a random vote, don't get your panties in a twist. But I am glad to know that you feel pressure.

animorhev, it would help if you said Reaper or Robo instead of RC.

No. I am RC; you is Robo. Get it right before I come and gank your soul, sir.

[ReaperCharlie]

animorhev, it would help if you said Reaper or Robo instead of RC.

RC = Reaper, Robo = Robo.

shut your frickin face.

I am RC.

This is final.

My my my! How nice of all these people to drop by, check in, and/or otherwise announce their here-ness.

Please do us all a favor and read the thread (in its entirety, not skimming), and provide us with your top three suspects and/or points of interest in this format:

1. Apparently Nero Cain has a very suspicious mustache.

2. MagnaofIllusion is a large monster from Japan. Obvscum.
3. ReaperCharlie's avatar has kamina glasses. Lynch on sight.

And then preferably, a vote would be awesome too. It is also preferably that your vote be on one of your above suspects.

Love,
ReaperCharlie

The 'stache ALWAYS gives me away.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok before this Kagelord sh*tstorm decides to mushroom cloud, lets look at the facts. Here is his infamous post #120.

I personally don't really care if GH says who he/she/they is/are. I'm more interested in how much Benmage is pushing it. He does have a point about obstinate players, but I'm not sure there is enough evidence to say that GH is that much of a problem yet. If they are really set on not revealing that information, they must have some reason for it. I'm not sure if there would be more of a scum motive behind it than a town motive. This just seems like useless arguing to me.

You know, I'm more interested to find out which characters are here and what their role powers are. The quotes from the show so far have piqued my interest.

I will go on record as saying that I totally agree with the first paragraph, as I think most players (besides Benmage and Starbuck) do. Pressing GH to reveal their heads is a worthless exercise.

I will also go on record as saying that I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to the second paragraph. Why is it a big deal that he's more interested in setup and role powers than some idiotic push on GH to reveal their heads, that many people have already admitted to be both fruitless and counterproductive?

What I am suspicious of at this point is why anyone is more interested in going for a lynch on kagelord than anything else, because interest in the setup is definitely to be expected from newbies in large games. it's not meta, it's common sense. pull your collective head out of your collective arse and you'll see it too.

*cue someone saying 'oooh look!!! reaper is mass-chainsaw-defending kagelord! they are scum together! lynchwagon gogogogo!' (and to whoever says that, be sure to note that kagelord's vote is on me at the moment and I have no reason to defend him at this point other than trying to kick some sense into you fools. so take note of these matters and STFU before you start mouthing off)

[ReaperCharlie]

animorhev, it would help if you said Reaper or Robo instead of RC.

RC = Reaper, Robo = Robo.

shut your frickin face.

I am RC.

This is final.

I know that. I didn't see your post ahead of mine.

Apologies then.

And, of course, I meant "shut your frickin face" with all possible kindness and love.

[ReaperCharlie]

I can drop some further content too.

Please do. Calling anything town-v-town this early in the day in a large game definitely warrants some attention, and possibly some stiff suspicion.

[ReaperCharlie]

Fake humor is fake.

Unhunt; Hunt: Robocopter87

And that's what I have to say about that.

[ReaperCharlie]

*backhands willows_weep and Chronopie for thinking me and Robo are scumbuddies*
*second backhand to Chrono for not reading the topic before making that comment*

BlazezRb isn't really that active, I can't get a read on him now. I'm thinking that he's acting like a VI so far (like what ReaperCharlie said) and would like to see more from him before making solid conclusions.

Oh, trust me. He's not acting.


*hopes everyone sees why policy lynching Chrono or BlazezRb is so tempting to him*

[ReaperCharlie]

The whole Magna/Reaper clash just gave off scummy vibes, mostly in his direction.

Mostly in

whose

direction?

I don't really like assuming someone Pro-Town this early on D1, just because they post posts that scream it.

How about later in the day? And whose posts are you saying scream pro-town?

Aye. As I admitted in my last post, I did have a lack of scum-hunting (I didn't say it so blatantly, but that was the gist). And as I said, I plan to remedy that.

Instead of apologizing again for NOT scumhunting, why not just START, instead?
It's not like having a few votes on you is a hindrance to scumhunting. Just do it.

Not sure that this is the best "tell" to use on me though. I'm not the only player that has shown a lack of scum-hunting...

Are you seriously trying to tell us what we should and shouldn't use against you? And I really don't dig the "but wait! so-and-so isn't scumhunting either! so-and-so is scummy too!!! " argument. Especially because it doesn't name names.

JUST SO YOU KNOW: This reads as not only NOT scumhunting, but it reads as DEFLECTING. [/pro-tip]

In short, I'm starting to regret having defended you.

The second quote is just taken a bit out of context (and the wink smiley is removed).

If I recall correctly, that was in response to RC (Reaper) pointing out that since my signature indicates my record is 0-2, perhaps I might not be the best judge of what's a good tell and what's not (at least, that's what I thought he was implying). Previously, I had said that the "tells" used against me so far had just been paranoia over minor things. This part was just a direct response to RC (Reaper) that I might at least be right in this case about the "paranoia tells".

It was said somewhat seriously and somewhat jokingly, as indicated by the removed smiley.

Hmmm... hey Magna, care to explain why you felt it was prudent to misrepresent him just to further your own case?

... As said in that post, I intend to scum-hunt after rereading the thread. Scum-hunting with no leads wouldn't be very responsible of me, would it? That post was also to give the reason why I might not be posting much except to respond to direct attacks against me or to respond to major happenings, as I'm rereading the thread.

Hi. We await your Wall-o-Text® with much anticipation. More outside of quotes than inside, preferably.

Also, pro-tip: IIoA is definitely not your friend at this point.

1. I haven't read the thread yet.
2. I wouldn't discount that our scum is lurking.
3. I'd prefer to lynch one of our lurkers.

1. Why the h311 not?
2. That's a distinct possibility. I've seen scum let town rip themselves to shreds before even beginning to post that day.
3. I only like lurker lynches when there's not a better possibility from among the leading 'participating' candidates.

I don't think it's important who GenericHydra really is; that's the point of having a hydra, to bypass the irritation of "meta".

I mean, I'm one of three heads myself.

I only use one at a time, though.

0_o ...For some reason I never got that from Stardust, though you'd think I'd pick up on that from the name. You serious?

Later you say this, which makes me think you may have been joking, but my curiosity has been piqued...

I can honestly see why they would refuse. I also don't get why you would say you're a hydra in the first place. I did it to prove a point but there's really no reason to just say "I'm a hydra." Unless I'm missing something, which I commonly do.

Just dropping by to say im here will read a post in a while

Skeith'll read a post in a while. He didn't say he'd post anything, but he'll read somethin. In a while that is.

lol... I think it's safe to say he meant 'read and post'.
But... it's been a while. Where are you skeith?

I mean, I know I'm not the best

Scum

Demon-hunter, but I'm still willing to take A Shot at it.

You know you just softclaimed 1-Shot Vig, right? Yeah, you pretty much fucked up now.

Dam# it. I didn't even see that... >.<
I feel impotent now.

1. Okay, I

have

read the thread.
2. I still think that our scum could be amongst the lurkers.
3. I'd still prefer it if we lynched one of the lurkers.

Dam# you, Jack Sparrow.

I still think that's a terrible idea unless we can't find anyone better.

Wagoning, yes. Lynching, no. I'm sure you understand.

Defending his lack of scum-hunting (which, BTW, has persisted for his entire ISO) by saying he is active lurking is a pretty bad argument to make.

Whether he's scum hunted is neither here nor there in this argument. It's none of my concern in this argument, because I'm not defending him. I'm saying half of your scumhunting in your first real post, was about what Kage said. The rest was hardly anything. And that brings me back to how you used "not pro-town" to make him look worse, but like I said, that's in the past since you admitted that you think it's actually scummy.

Yeah. That's the way Magna scumhunts. He twists things to make people look worse than they are, and then sees who will defend them, and/or if they will defend themselves; and then he looks for whether they're defending themselves on the right points and whether they're doing it from a pro-town standpoint or not. It's unorthodox, but it works like a daisy.

For the record notice that since he’s come under fire by myself and others Kage hasn’t bothered to begin scum-hunting but just faded into the background. He’s certainly been active in other threads.

He wasn't scumhunting before his attacks either and he's posting a fair amount so it seems.

Posting a fair amount != scumhunting. Your point?

@GHroupThink:

I can't make any solid reads.

So start discussing things instead of waiting for everyone else to do your work for you. For pete's sake.

I mean, I know I'm not the best

Scum

Demon

-hunter, but I'm still willing to take A Shot at it.

You know you just softclaimed 1-Shot Vig, right? Yeah, you pretty much fucked up now.

Why make it worse by pointing it out for any scum that may have missed the bread crumb?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa stop pretending like you saw it first. lmao

Though you're right it probably wasn't that smart to point it out like that. Though, if GT is scum he would probably have just shut up about it and killed him at night.

Anyway now that it's out in the open, at least he should claim for real and ask for doc protection.

Lol, Benmage, asking what the initials would be. It would be BS. Lolz.

Also, Reaper that was the stupidest reason ever to vote me.

He's voting you because of the similarities of your names, right?

Well, I still believe we'd be better off lynching a lurker.

Uhh no shit sherlock. Reapers vote looked like a rvs.

Dude, I swear. People are so dense.

(explanation for those who STILL don't get it: BeeperSarlie == BS == Robo called me a BSer == I omgus him for that and for trying to steal my name. What's to be confused about? Ugh)

I can honestly see why they would refuse.

Honestly, do tell.

Honestly, F%$^ING DROP IT. HYDRAS ARE MADE FOR ANONYMITY. THEY WANT TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS. WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT?

I mean, I know I'm not the best

Scum

Demon

-hunter, but I'm still willing to take A Shot at it.

You know you just softclaimed 1-Shot Vig, right? Yeah, you pretty much fucked up now.

Why would you ever bring this to attention..??

Maybe for the pure WIFOM of it. Idk. It probably wasn't a good idea either way...

I'm assuming in a game this big there will be some kind of protective role though so if Chrono wants to confirm it and ask for protection, that'd be the best thing to do if he really is a vig.


Anyways, I would like to see more people posting.

[ReaperCharlie]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa stop pretending like you saw it first. lmao

I'm not saying I saw it first, I'm saying why point it out? If he is bread crumbing his role, what pro-town reason is there to yell it out to everyone? Is it normal for townies to see bread crumbs and then just point them out? If I saw a bread crumb I'd keep my mouth shut, and only point it out later if the player contradicts it.

Did you read the end of my post? Or did you just Ctrl+F it for your name?

[ReaperCharlie]

Well seeing as you quoted MY post, and that you spoke of him and asked questions as if you were speaking ABOUT him and not TO him, how then was I supposed to deduce that you were asking the questions to him?

Also, you pretending to have asked him instead of me, just to make it look like I'm answering questions for him, is really frustrating.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah but, there were almost 3 votes on him.

Like, he was at

L-11

, you gotta understand.

Nervous Chronopie was nervous.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oops, dam# I keep forgetting phpbb3 has no [/sarcasm] tags...

>.<

/facepalm

[ReaperCharlie]

Ahem.

Unhunt; Hunt: Starbuck

Sheep votes/hunts are appreciated.

[ReaperCharlie]

I know she's your anti-hydra buddy and all... but... c'mon.

[ReaperCharlie]

It's not deflection. It's me hunting for a person who's contributed little if nothing to the topic, because I don't particularly like any of the hunting parties currently active.

P.S. Learn what a facepalm is and stop being useless.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. How come you insist on persisting in your idiotic vote on Generic Hydra? because they won't tell you who they are? Doubly useless.

Now shut the f*ck up and vote Starbuck.

[ReaperCharlie]

Midnight's Sorrow, you seem pretty eager to lynch The Longing. Why go for a lurker lynch over anything else?

It's my experience that The Longing will act pretty scummy regardless of alignment and is easy mislynch bait, therefore I'm leery of lynching him/her in case she actually turns out to be just a stupid townie AGAIN.

I'd like to get Starbuck talking though. She said she'd be back by this morning, and ... lo and behold, she's not back!

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh noes.

But guess what.

Lurker hunting is a scumtell.

So... what do you think of who's already posted?

[ReaperCharlie]

Nice dodge.

So... what do you think of who's already posted?

[ReaperCharlie]

rather go with a Kage wagon. If we take into account his request for replacement, which is

usually a scum reaction when overwhelmed with pressure

, we will have a nice scum lynch on D1.

Wellllll. I have to say 4 votes is hardly "overwhelming pressure" when there's 13 to lynch.

But yeah it seems odd that he'd replace out of this one when he just joined a mish-mash game today or yesterday that I am in...

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh sh*t I didn't realize you and Fate were tight

CAPS LAWK ALLIANCE FTL

[ReaperCharlie]

Well that takes care of the RC problem.

*flexes*

[ReaperCharlie]

The magna v sawyer thing reads town v town to me...I'd like to hear some of the deserters comment on it. I can drop some further content too.

Please do. Calling anything town-v-town this early in the day in a large game definitely warrants some attention, and possibly some stiff suspicion.

I don't know if you ever caught this. This was indirectly a question. Please provide 'further content'.

[ReaperCharlie]

Uh, Kagelord just replaced INTO another game I'm in.

WTF

[ReaperCharlie]

yeah i agree. that takes the cake. wtf is up with that sh*t. now i can lay a vote on that without feeling guilty if he flips town.

unvote vote kagelord

but still though. if KL flips scum i'm putting MoI up for a medal for scumhunting practically nothing and being dead right. lolol

[ReaperCharlie]

i'm just gonna say what i'm thinking, and hope others are thinking the same thing.

w_w, you sound like you're trying to take advantage of this situation to line up lynches, and that doesn't feel good at all in my tum tum.

[ReaperCharlie]

hmmmm. ok, now you're at least backing up what you say with your vote, after someone called you out on it.
so... what do you think of my luke-warm, pussyfooting-around, weasel-worded accusation against you, w_w?

[ReaperCharlie]

Is somebody on my wagon a doublevoter or is that a typo? Oh wait, you probably didn't take the 4 down to 3 to count for LMP leaving my wagon. Ah.

Speaking of which...

Wow, that's easy.

Unvote
Vote: KageLord

wtf?

[ReaperCharlie]

Unannounced L-1 Alert! WOOP! WOOP!

Unvote

in case anyone has anything else to say before this goes through.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh, wait I got this game mixed up with another game, mb.

Vote: KageLord

[ReaperCharlie]

ROFL *headdesk*... well in that case I never unhunted then. lmao

[ReaperCharlie]

I swear after Magna stopped talking I became a train of fail. mb

[ReaperCharlie]

Sweet. Mother. of. Pearl.

It's another one of them RL crazy trigger-pullin' lunatics, eh? what branch you in?

[ReaperCharlie]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

[ReaperCharlie]

STFU! IT IS NO BUSINESS OF YOURS WHEN I RIDE THE FAIL TRAIN TO WORK

[ReaperCharlie]

rofl

:sadface:

[ReaperCharlie]

what the f*ck the site wont let me post

[ReaperCharlie]

i have this long @$$ post im trying to post and the comp wont let me

[ReaperCharlie]

i am emailing it to myself at another and i will post it there in about an hour when i get there

[ReaperCharlie]

Preview is not working on my computer atm so this might have some broken bbcode.

----

I like some of Nero Cain's #361 and agree with #362. I have never played with tubby before but it seems like he's just trying to be obstinate to prove how pro-town-but-doesn't-care-look-at-me-I'm-a-rebel he is.

I

do not like

Benmage's obvious double standard about being totally fine with tubby's beefheadedness but giving Generic Hydra such a hard time.

I was voting Robocopter earlier in the game. I decided to switch it to Animorpher because I felt more of a scummy vibe.

what scummy vibe could you get from animorpher? he's only posted like 3 times.
he feels a lot more like a useless townie to me (which, sadly, is about usual).

Meh, just stating a fact. Those are the 3 people that have been noted by other people.

Ok, your following of the crowd is noted.

hmmmm. ok, now you're at least backing up what you say with your vote, after someone called you out on it.

I do not know what you are referring to: Who called me out on what?

I only really remember Groupthink "calling me out" on anything and that was ridiculous in my opinion. That person voted me, and "called me out" for not immediately dropping my own concerns and consolidating the bandwagon for lurkers. I even just re-read the past 4 pages. I don't see anyone else chatting to me. If I've overlooked it please direct me.

I was talking about me. But it seems like simul-posting was the culprit, neither of us were getting preview edits in before posting, apparently.


I hate, hate, hate LynchMePls' post #388. Just look at it.

Reaper what is this unvote you speak of in post 399?

*looks at #419.. begins to shake head sadly*
*notes the attempt to pad out bandwagon vote with non-game-content*
*gives the Overall Stamp of Disapproval to one Useless Mr. Baaaaa (tubby)*


#424 is gooooooood.

Please stop being an ass

I like the mutual chainsaw defense against 361 goin on... *REV REV*
i.e. benmage and starbuck wanting to know GH's heads so much, people calling them out and saying 'this is useless, just stop' and then them attacking other people for calling them out on it, or at least trying to throw suspicion on their direct 'attackers' for no other reason than that they questioned SB and BM's motives.

other than that though, i like #426 for the most part. especially the last two words. HOORAY!

:looks up one shot day vig:

Even before reading up on that...is it a good idea to role claim that kind of thing D1 when there is no need?
Let me check what this is.

uh. if you want to use it, you use it, and then it doesn't matter if you've claimed it, because you've already used it.

....

what's not to get?

KageLord is now waiting in the wings. His identity is unknown at this time and the day continues.

F&&&&&&CK. THIS.
I am very disappointed by the lack of flip.

benmage 436: more chainsaw defense on starbuck noted.

and just because she's proved she has daykill powers does not make her town.

lynchmepls 446: oh NOW its all cleared up. not.

@ nero cain 450: kage is 'waiting in the wings' i don't know if that's dead or not, but either way it looks like he's removed from play for the moment at least. maybe it's just a similar way of saying he died, i.e. like hunting instead of voting... idk.

also: do you think that the entire mafia faction would have day kill instead of night kill? this seems a bit absurd. if they all claimed one shot like starbuck did, then they'd only get 3 kills total before they were caught lying. also, if somebody claimed a multi-shot but didn't also use it on day 1, they'd be caught there too. i don't really think this line of thinking is productive.

it's much more likely that if starbuck is not town, she's a member of a scum faction who also has a one-shot day kill ability (seen this before), a JOAT with daykill as one of his powers (seen this too), or even maybe some SK or 3rd party role with a day kill.

@ nerocain 451. no idea, never seen the show

@ chronopie's 454: so you're saying you get powers later? or what? you're being pretty confusing and nebulous. if there was a chance for you to get a power later, why would you want to draw a nightkill now? and if there's no chance of you getting any powers later, then why would you put "(atm)" in your post? just for the WIFOM of it? and another thing. why would any scum kill you? you're an excellent mislynch target. AND FOR PETE'S SAKE. way to completely ruin ANY chance you had of being NK'd (i had my fingers crossed) by saying that you're vanilla. so what the h311 are you. you might as well un-bungle your breadcrumb + claim so we can stop worrying about how much of an idiot you are.

chrono #457. no sh1t sherlock.

w_w #461: seriously? you've been here since 2003? /facepalm.
there is no way starbuck is confirmed town. proven ability != proven alignment.

#463 from tubby. so basically you're waiting to sheep again. nice.

#466 is worth its weight in gold. I get such gooood vibes from MoI.

In my first game when I did a similar wall of text quotes I got the same response. They later flipped scum. Jus' sayin'.

I’ll be the first to defend

Walls

myself but the big issue I see is the construction. Condense your quotes as much as possible.

WOOSH!!! That was the sound of the point going over your head. To me a sarcastic responce to musings is NOT a pro-town responce. Who the hell is Walls?

WOOSH!!! That was the sound of what he meant by "Walls" going over your head. Maybe if you read your own post that he responded to, you might have a clue.

#474. he's seen the light. rofl

groupthink #475. i dont really like the disclaimer at the beginning ("i'm not trying to paint you as scum or anything"). why are you worried about what people think about your thoughts about another players' motivations?

Here is Jo's page on the Supernatural Wiki for those who are curious.

She's pretty hot, if I do say so myself.

Y HELO THAR

groupthink's #478 against w_w is actually interesting, a re-read may prove enlightening as to the details. unfortunately i dont have the time for that now.

#479: lurker hunting is often an exercise scum resort to when they don't want to vote their buddies or scumhunt for real. I reallllly dont like how it's become a pattern in this game.

@ mod: i know you're already working on this. but... replacements!! AHHHHHH

...<3

And while I definitely agree with 480 (starbuck), post 482 has some pretty good points about why lynching animorpher could be a very good thing. I am also very keen on lynching animorpher though i'm not sure where i'm gonna vote yet.

#483 (w_w) ... how many games have you played? and you didn't already know that? seriously.

Hunt: Starbuck

For being an idiot. This is obviously her grasping at an opportunity to kill a

town member

with little to no reasoning.

Nice slip.

Hunt: hydrak

However, if this is true, then Sawyer's coaching to Kage seems less scummy.

Can someone explain the case of Ani for me? Just lack of activity? (That's the same case on Tripod, isn't it? Slipped scum > lurker)

bam. Like this post a lot. yeah this tips the tables a little bit, because i agree so much..

Hunt: hydrak

#493. Well, animorpher, that's certainly convenient. half reading, lurking, and then hopping on the biggest wagon shamelessly. you're next in my book.

well i think thats about it for now.

[ReaperCharlie]

Seeing now that benmage put him at L-2, mine's L-1 and I hate L-1 without a chance to claim.

Unhunt

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm going to offer my voice to say the following -

Hydrak you need to claim. I'm more than willing to hammer you so a claim to prevent a bad lynch would be appreciated.

Also - let it be known that I'm not a huge fan of GenericHydra's "Vote forthcoming" - long delay while others pile on - "Vote: Hydrak"

It screams of fence-sitting while waiting to see how others would react to Hydrak's wagon.

+100

[ReaperCharlie]

I have no idea about any of the flavor and frankly, I am kind of far behind in some of my other games so I'm not going to be able to make the effort to go read the wiki or watch the movie (show?) or anything. Honestly, when this game started, I thought it was just a generic themed mafia game about supernatural things/beings/events. It sounded interesting enough, and after all, I am farside's own son, so why not join?

[ReaperCharlie]

The hammer has dropped, btw. Unless there are some shenanigans going on that screw with vote-counts.

[ReaperCharlie]

The hammer has dropped, btw. Unless there are some shenanigans going on that screw with vote-counts.

[ReaperCharlie]

So there is a cult in this game then.

[ReaperCharlie]

well we could always not hunt today and see if that forces the flips from yesterday. cause otherwise we are hunting blind and who knows what we will end up killing.

And just wait for another three of us to die tonight? rofl
You sir, make no sense and my eyes are beginning to bleed at the folly.

Hunt: tubby

[ReaperCharlie]

You missed that you could have just said "I'm sheeping Reaper" and everyone would have been ok with it, without you even making that gigantic post.

[ReaperCharlie]

Right now, unless anyone else wants to offer up opinions on other lynch candidates, this is the way to go.

Uhhh Tripod, Ani sounded better to me.

But I'm not liking this post:

seriously you are trying far to hard here. so go ahead run me up just holla when its time for me to claim ok

I wasn't all about the tubby hate. I don't see the scum can crossfire as a huge slip. But maybe it is. Anyways now I'm intrigued. Plus I thought we already talked about scum having safeclaims, but we'll see what you can offer.

Hunt Tubby

*sneeeeeeaaaaakkkks vote into the wagon without actually making a case*

[ReaperCharlie]

About Chrono: Anyone know what a Crossroads Demon is?

Once again, I have no knowledge about anything related to the show. I DO know, however, that there's a movie called Crossroads (not the Britney Spears one) where a guy sells his soul to the devil, and then the Karate Kid has a guitar battle with Steve Vai to get it back. The devil is there and I assume Steve Vai is also a demon, or else some other guitarist who sold his soul to the devil... anyways, I haven't seen the rest of the movie, but the scene is pretty good: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0210704919#

[ReaperCharlie]

Thank you, Sawyer!

And LMP, the feeling I get from your counter-vote (i.e. not a Tubby vote) is that of a scum member trying to establish a viable counter-wagon... i.e. NOT constructive.

Read: This is your second strike.

[ReaperCharlie]

I am currently in one (a game with a claimed miller). As far as I am aware, site-wide consensus is that millers are supposed to claim day 1, right?

What's your point?

[ReaperCharlie]

Read: It sounds like you are trying to play the IC here; what in heaven's name makes you think I need that? 0_o

[ReaperCharlie]

So any votes but Tubby votes are scummy RC? That is laughable.

Nope, but the way you said it slapped me in the face and I couldn't just ignore it, now, could I?

And don't twist my words. What I said was: YOUR vote was scummy. Nothing about 'any votes except tubby votes are scummy'.

But while we're still on this subject, do you not think tubby is a good wagon? Why or why not? What in the H377 is wrong with TL's post? What's wrong with mine? What's wrong with ANY of them?

You sound like you're dissenting for the sake of dissenting, throwing a mass-FOS at a block of us like that.

Consider this your two-and-a-half^th strike.

[ReaperCharlie]

first of all this wagon smells of fear and cluelessness. so yah i think i will sit back have my PBR and work on my awesome mullet.

Instead of concentrating solely on the wagon, yet ignoring all pressure to contribute, how about you actually help us win the game instead of being a useless moron?

What a novel idea.

[ReaperCharlie]

What makes them my mindless minions? Just because you're being a doof and not providing any content and I was the first to call you out on it and others quickly followed? Hahahahahahahaha

[ReaperCharlie]

No I'm not, and I never said I was, but you're a better lynch than anyone else at this time for a number of reasons.

[ReaperCharlie]

No I'm not, and I never said I was, but you're a better lynch than anyone else at this time for a number of reasons.

List said reasons.

1. Not providing content.

2. Being obstinate about not providing content.

3. OMGUS voting those who call him out on not providing content.

And:

I

do not like

Benmage's obvious double standard about being totally fine with tubby's beefheadedness (read: obstinacy) but giving Generic Hydra such a hard time.

This post ^^^ still stands tall and true, in case you weren't paying attention the first time. Or did you ignore it purposely, hoping it'd slip back into the void and nobody would notice your hypocrisy?

Here is a link

, maybe read my whole

post

again. That might help you out, Mr. I'mma-chainsaw-defend-the-guy-who-buttered-me-up-on-day-1-with-a-comment-so-good-I-had-to-stick-it-in-my-sig.

[ReaperCharlie]

No I'm not, and I never said I was, but you're a better lynch than anyone else at this time for a number of reasons.

List said reasons.

1. Not providing content.

2. Being obstinate about not providing content.

3. OMGUS voting those who call him out on not providing content.

This is all under one, not convincing point. So your "number of reasons"...not so much. Trying to make your bad vote sound like it had cause.

And:

I

do not like

Benmage's obvious double standard about being totally fine with tubby's beefheadedness (read: obstinacy) but giving Generic Hydra such a hard time.

This post ^^^ still stands tall and true, in case you weren't paying attention the first time. Or did you ignore it purposely, hoping it'd slip back into the void and nobody would notice your hypocrisy?

Here is a link

, maybe read my whole

post

again. That might help you out, Mr. I'mma-chainsaw-defend-the-guy-who-buttered-me-up-on-day-1-with-a-comment-so-good-I-had-to-stick-it-in-my-sig.

What would you like out of this?

Do you want a cookie for me being down with tubby and not GH. Anything else?

You have yet to address your double standard. You completely skimmed over it the first time, and just did it again.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok people fun's over.

Tubby may be a fine lynch down the line but Reaper is the call for today.

Seriously there is a

VERY

good reason why he's scum.

More Reaper vote please.

I would like to know what (if anything) points to me being scum.

And am I right in assuming you were joking about what you said about tubby earlier with his alleged 'scum slip'? You don't think that's a scum slip any more?

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok... since I can see that this will get way out of hand way fast, I am going to pre-emptively claim. Yes, I targeted molestargazer last night. I am a hunter of supernatural things named Bobby Singer and I use my power to track supernatural things. My wife was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her, and from then on I dedicated my life to hunting demons down.

I am also a tracker, Magna. I tracked molestargazer because it looked like he was trying to lay low and stay off the radar yesterday. He went nowhere.

Additionally, I have a one-shot vig, but I can't use my Track ability if I use that, and vigging on night 1 (especially with no flip) would have been retarded. Not to mention I have some flavor about 'saving my vig shot for a certain person' (which I don't know who that is). From what I can tell, it is supposed to be saved for the demon who killed my wife, but I have no way of knowing cause I never saw the show.

Anyways, there it is. I always play aggressively in daytime no matter what my role.

[ReaperCharlie]

And don't twist my words. What I said was: YOUR vote was scummy. Nothing about 'any votes except tubby votes are scummy'.

Twist your words? Are you kidding??? Here are you words, bolded for emphasis:

And LMP, the feeling I get from your counter-vote

(i.e. not a Tubby vote)

is that of a scum member trying

to establish a viable counter-wagon

... i.e. NOT constructive.

How exactly did I twist your words? You yourself said that you had a problem with it because it was "not a Tubby vote" and that I was "trying to establish a viable counter-wagon". How does that mean anything other than you have a problem with non-Tubby votes? Why are non-Tubby votes "NOT constructive"?

But while we're still on this subject, do you not think tubby is a good wagon? Why or why not? What in the H377 is wrong with TL's post? What's wrong with mine? What's wrong with ANY of them?

You sound like you're dissenting for the sake of dissenting, throwing a mass-FOS at a block of us like that.

What are you talking about? I even called out TL by name, I wasn't "throwing a mass-FOS".

Well... you said teh tubby wagon was scummy, which was a mass fos of us all, basically.

I have nothing to say to the beginning though. you were right about that and I was remembering incorrectly when I replied. thus, I dropped it. what motivation would i have to continue to nitpick that?

[ReaperCharlie]

The tracking is icing on the cake, it isn't even required for a Reaper case. Look at his play. When I totally busted his ass in 593, he completely disengaged from our back and forth and went after Tubby some more. Then he has the gaul to say other people are disregarding things.

Reaper has been playing like scum since D1 with his weak ass "sarcasm" on me. Read him in ISO please. This isn't rocket science.

You say I have been playing like scum, yet you have been waffling back and forth on whether or not you think I am scum, depending on whether or not you have popular support for your idea. when starbuck reinforces your opinion, you start up with it again. when magna says 'rc looks more town now or w/e, you follow him as well. you're just riding the waves and trying to get a mislynch on me.

I dont know if you caught a PR tell or what, but it seems like you've been trying to push a lynch on me since day 1 and are looking for the smallest possible reasons and riding other peoples thunder to accomplish your own ends.

[ReaperCharlie]

i don't know who killed mole but i sure as h311 didnt.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. I have seen scum trackers in games before, it's possible Magna is trying to just set me up because he knew there'd be nothing I could claim to get out of it.

[ReaperCharlie]

No, I did not see him go anywhere. I got a 'no result' or something.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh my god!


YESSSSS

THIS!!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

instead of ignoring when I caught you in a complete distortion, you could have owned up to it.

i did. but that wasn't my focus at the time. call that scummy if you want, i call it not wasting time on stuff that really doesn't matter (read: your ego about being right all the time). i still thought tubby was scum and wanted him lynched so i stayed on his wagon and followed the conversation in the way that it went. i didn't ignore you like you are saying.

The fact that you were unwilling to [own up] is even FURTHER proof of your consciousness of guilt. When you have nothing to hide and someone points out you're incorrect, you own up to it. Ignoring it shows you have something to hide.

how can you say this when i DID own up to it? when you pointed out that you wanted me to own up to it, i did. please remind me again how that's bad.

He accuses people of scum for terribad reasons, and then immediately backtracks (claiming sarcasm)

who have I accused of scum for terribad reasons? YOU? I said "you say 'the town' like you are not part of us", sarcastically, and then because you have all the intelligence of a tree stump and didn't catch the sarcasm, you think it's backtracking later for me to say it was sarcasm. who else have i accused for terribad reasons? name one. please.

he was tracked to a NK. Talk about a smoking gun!

you know i can't defend against this. and you're right it does look like a smoking gun. but i didnt kill him. there's no way i can convince you or anyone else, and i'm not gonna make any deals and be like 'look if you dont lynch me i'll track really good, i swear!!!', but hey i am giving all i can give, which is basically nothing but it's what i've got.

I dont know if you caught a PR tell or what, but it seems like you've been trying to push a lynch on me since day 1 and are looking for the smallest possible reasons and riding other peoples thunder to accomplish your own ends.

This is called flailing for a defense. And failing.

no this is called bringing to light a guy who's been pushing for my lynch for any reason possible since day 1, and who didn't believe in any of his own cases on day 1 so he backed off and went with an easier wagon.

then day 2 when somebody else says something about me, you pretend that you knew it all along.

What do you expect him to do, throw his hands up and say "You caught me"?

uh, that's exactly what i DID do, what else is there to do? lie, and say that I didn't track him??

if i WAS scum and i HAD killed mole, dont you think it's PRETTY FREAKIN CONVENIENT that i have a tracker role fake claim? seriously get real. yeah yeah insert wifom here, but whatever the point stands.

[ReaperCharlie]

Lets move forward and lynch the fakeclaim

what is wrong with my claim. dont you believe me? would my claim not

perfectly

explain what magna saw? i dont know if it fits flavor or not but nobody seems to be saying anything about that so i'll take it that it does fit.

[ReaperCharlie]

Take the sum of all your play, add it up and then put a nice big "you visited a player that ends up NK'd" cherry on top, and it equals a Reaper-Scum Sundae. Magna's play on the other hand has been anything but scummy.

In order for your suggestion to be true, Magna would not only have to target you with his track, his scum team would also have to HAPPEN to submit an NK on the person you happen to target. Presumably they wouldn't have the track results until after, so you are asking us to suppose that not only did they pick you for a track, they also happen to pick for an NK the same person you targeted that night.

I'm gonna have to go with my ol' buddy Occam on this one. The simplest explanation is that you are lying and you NK'ed Mole.

yeah, that makes sense. but it also makes sense that if i thought mole was scum, that a vig might have thought he was scum too.

so go throw that in your pipe and smoke it, occam.

[ReaperCharlie]

hooray for sheep votes. i give up.

ok, good night.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok... since I can see that this will get way out of hand way fast, I am going to pre-emptively claim. Yes, I targeted molestargazer last night. I am a hunter of supernatural things named Bobby Singer and I use my power to track supernatural things. My wife was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her, and from then on I dedicated my life to hunting demons down.

I am also a tracker, Magna. I tracked molestargazer because it looked like he was trying to lay low and stay off the radar yesterday. He went nowhere.

Interesting claim Reaper. I’ll have to consider what I think of it since Bobby is a prominent character. My question regarding your target is this – why didn’t you track players like LMP or Benmage who you specifically made accusations of Day 1?

cause they were actively participating in discussion and i wanted to get some info on somebody who not much info could be gleaned about otherwise. i still dont see what gain there would be to kill him, i thought he was scum.

P.S. I have seen scum trackers in games before, it's possible Magna is trying to just set me up because he knew there'd be nothing I could claim to get out of it.

By extension it is possible your claim to being a Tracker is true you just happen to be a scum tracker. See how that speculation thing works?

so basically... you're just saying "NO U"?

when

magna says 'rc looks more town now or w/e

, you follow him as well. you're just riding the waves and trying to get a mislynch on me.

Support for the bolded portion, please.

oops i was unconsciously linking LMP's 507 with something you said earlier about 231.

have you, or have you not, noticed LMP accusing me of something, backing off, and then accusing me again once starbuck agreed, then backing off again later (507), and then attacking me again with a vengeance as soon as you report your results? yes or no?

and do you or do you not think it's scummy of benmage to have a double standard regarding tubby's and GH's obstinacy?

and do you or do you not think its scummy as all h311 of benmage to contribute next-to-nothing?

and do you honestly think after coming under suspicion day 1, that AS SCUM, i would a) perform a night kill for whatever faction i was in, b) lead a lynch on tubby d2, putting myself right out in the open?

this is mostly at magna, but everyone else is free to answer as well.

[ReaperCharlie]

and do you or do you not think it's scummy of benmage to have a double standard regarding tubby's and GH's obstinacy?

and do you or do you not think its scummy as all h311 of benmage to contribute next-to-nothing?

Do you even think about what you post? I've answered the first...and how can you say i've done nothing this game...

ebwop: do you or to you not think its scummy as all h311 of TUBBY to contribute next-to-nothing? (not benmage)

[ReaperCharlie]

Why are you so against tubby's "obstinacy" and lack of contribution when there are so many other guilty parties? Trying to flail at anything to keep people looking not at you methinks.

i am against tubby's obstinacy because it's anti-town. for the EXACT SAME REASON you were against GH's obstinacy on day 1. lmao. your hypocrisy is showing.

and magna, in case you still didn't see it, which i find miraculous given your high intelligence level, benmage's double standard consisted of 1. attacking GH for withholding information from the town, but 2. not attacking tubby for refusing to scumhunt. the only reason i can see is that tubby said he'd sheep benmage off a cliff, benmage put it in his sig, and after that they were fast friends. but he kept on GH even after 3/4 of the thread had told him to drop it, and that is a double standard. and that is scummy.

also: while you telling me i did a bad job at tracker is ultimately helpful and all in the long run for my career, it obv won't help in this game if you lynch me. and i have never played tracker before and yes i WAS approaching it as if playing a cop. so there. lol

anyways, i see no point to posting any further. if you're gonna lynch me you're gonna lynch me. if you guys decide to lynch somebody else, have the mod throw me a pm to check back in and begin scum hunting again, because i have said about all there is to say, and i can't defend myself any more than i have already.

oh and if people can be revived once they're 'waiting in the wings'... then somebody please revive me. haha

[ReaperCharlie]

chainsaw defending tubby to the end, i see. he sucks your dick, you suck his.

ok. that's valid.

[ReaperCharlie]

Throwing in the towel? I expected better of you, regardless of your alignment.

Sorry. too many games going on, and my wife is about to go into labor so I guess it is for the best actually, lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Thanks

[ReaperCharlie]

Why is a tracker with a one shot night vig ability, when his flavor text admits to wanting to kill a certain demon, not make any sense?

It makes sense to me, and I only have Wiki knowledge to go by.

How sad is that?

because its too strong of a role, i have no issue with him wanting to kill a certian demon, for season one and 2 thats all the did was hunt the yellow eyed demon, so yah i get it. i have no issue with flavour.

its having a tracker with one shot vig makes me throw the bs flag

So you're hung up on me being a tracker with a one shot vig, which apparently makes sense with the flavor.
EVEN after somebody claimed CULT UN-RECRUITER on day 1?

LOL

[ReaperCharlie]

V/LA my wife is going into labor. It might be a few days.

[ReaperCharlie]

I think everyone forgets that RC claimed that his one shot vig ability,

if used, makes its so he can't track anymore.

How did I miss this....where he say it?

Not exactly. I did say before that I can't use both on the same night, maybe I worded it confusingly. I cannot use the track power the same night as I use the vig, but I assume that I don't

lose

the track power once I use the vig. So, I guess accurately, my claim would be Bobby Singer, permanent(?) tracker, 1-shot vig who can only use 1 ability per night. Anyways, there. Watch me get NK'd now, thanks a lot Magna. lol





Anyway...

it's a girl!!! yaaaaayyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

I want to make sweet love to 887.

[ReaperCharlie]

Why would I waste my vig shot on someone who it appears might be lynched?

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll ask the mod if that means I can't track any more (so it's not an assumption).

Otherwise, then yeah sure, but I'd rather make an educated guess.

LynchMePls looks tempting except his name isn't VigMePls. Dam#

[ReaperCharlie]

So spy, your down with accepting RC's claim to visit someone who wound up dead today? Check 1.

And you see that he will likely kill LMP(or going on a limb here from exchanges, me)...and your also down for this? Check 2.

This aint sitting well with me boss.

Why do you care if I kill LMP? Afraid to lose one of your only sheep?

He's been worthless the whole game and has done nothing but sheep and/or tunnel on me.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok Magna, so you know flavor and MS doesn't. Yippee. I don't know any either. This proves nothing.

And there's no use trying to push my wagon there's obviously no steam because I'm obviously not scum.

If my play/claim didn't have SOME merit, I have no doubt I'd have been lynched by now. Right?

P.S. What case is there on me besides your mason buddy's tracker result?

And how are people saying that tracker + 1-shot vig is too powerful, but MASON plus tracker is not? GET REAL lmao

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, it'd be a big help if I knew how to Watch Topics like we used to on the old forum.

To subscribe to a topic, look at the very bottom below "Who's Online". Beside "Board Index" is "Subscribe Topic". It's similar to the Watch Topics forum.

Going into game-related stuffs, I replaced Untrod Triplod and I express heavy suspicion on you on my first content-filled post of the Day.

Subscribe sends you an email every time. For the same feature as Watched Topics, try Bookmarks. Subscriptions and Bookmarks are identical except you don't get emails for bookmarks.

[ReaperCharlie]

Haha. You just don't want me to kill you in OMGUS-rage. Don't worry, I'm not an idiot.

But now there's a high chance I might be blocked or redirected tonight if not killed outright.

[ReaperCharlie]

*mentally resigns himself to his fate*

*makes a mental note to take down farside with him, like in Star Wars Mafia*

[ReaperCharlie]

Benmage for some reason my browser is not letting me reply by PM. Not sure what's wrong but it's been happening for a few weeks on this comp.

We named her Ariel Genevieve. My wife picked out Ariel (it means 'lioness of God' in Hebrew) and I picked out Genevieve (it sounds very pretty and sophisticated).

And thanks TL

[ReaperCharlie]

Fine.

unvote, vote tubby

yooooo! common sense rocks.

but I still have yet to see you add much to the topic.

[ReaperCharlie]

I just ISO'd farside (page 2 only), and my initial reaction was "huh?"... here's why.

Tubbyscum wagon grows (led by me, a shining bastion of pro-town awesomeness).

Suspicion (track results) get thrown on me by possible-tubby-co-conspirator Magna.

SIX VOTES get thrown on me magically (begun by Tubbyscum).

Tubby unvotes as soon as it seems the pressure is off him...



Yeah, that seems pretty biased, but that's the way I am seeing it.

And that is why my vote is still on Tubby and will likely not leave.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sawyer, I saw two interesting points in your post that I want to elaborate on.

Benmage's reaction to RC is the bulk of my reasons for thinking he may be scum

Exactly! This feels exactly like how I acted on Day 2 of Star Wars Mafia (my first game here). Now that the game is over (it just ended a day or two ago) I can finally say what happened and how. My scumbuddy (a tracker, which is why I believe there are probably scum trackers in this game, especially with all of the 'hunt' flavor going around, hunting has to go both ways with bad guys hunting good guys as well, right?) was outed on Day 2 somehow, but on Night 1 we'd redirected who we thought was scum to a confirmed mason, and tracked him too. The next morning, bam, the guy we'd redirected him to died, and we got a track result that led directly to the dead guy.

Now here's where I made the newb mistake of trying my darnedest to nail that guy to the wall, because I knew he was scum (the other scum group). But what I failed to realize was that nobody else but me and my scumbuddies could have possibly known with any certainty that he was scum, so this eventually tripped me up and I was NK'd by the other scum group because they figured that part out.

Anyways, the POINT is, I learned that game how scum in multiple scum games will latch on like a bulldog to anything that they think might lead to a rival scum flip. Both because I did it, and because I saw my teammates do it. And once I knew who the other scum were for sure after flips/game end, I could TOTALLY see us ALL doing it. We were busting our balls trying to get the rival scum lynched and it showed.

But, the reason this reminds me of what Benmage is doing is because of one thing: I was dead wrong about a few of the guys I was trying to bulldog and get lynched; in fact, two of the people I was 99% sure were the enemy godfather were as innocent as could be. Incidentally, the first was farside (lol!), and the other was Scott Brosius. I was SO sure with Scott Brosius that I would have bet the ENTIRE GAME on it. And of course, I would have lost.

Which I did anyways, in fact, due to a fantastic scum game played by LynchMePls. Which brings me to your second point.

Like I've also said many times as well, LMP may be scum, but my scumread on him isn't nearly as strong as it is on Benmage, since LMP's made it clear time and time again that his suspicion of RC is based on more than just his claim. So basically, I think LMP is either town that really believes what he's saying (though a bit blinded) or he's scum that's trying to put as much as he can against RC.

I will never again be fooled by LynchMePls. For the last week or two, it was evident that he was the Empire Godfather in Star Wars Mafia, because somebody let it slip in the dead QT. But before that, I had a sparkling, shining uber-townie image in my mind. He was very, very good in that game. So good that he made it from a 7-1 town vs scum scenario ALL THE WAY to endgame, and WON. So good, in fact, that he decided to save his hidden voting power until the VERY LAST DAY, when it was MyLo 2v1 and he used his secret vote for the first time on DAY TEN, and hammered one of the final two townies.

Ok, glad that's off my chest. This is the reason I think LMP should be immediately policy lynched, and why I think Benmage is scum tunneling on who he thinks is rival scum. i.e. In what was each our first game, I made a newbie scum mistake like Benmage is making, and LMP masterfully played over 10 guys like his puppets and narrowed down the voting pool strategically until he could win definitively and decisively.

For more meta: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13889

Love,
ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

Do you understand what a policy lynch is? This is my understanding:

1. That player sucks at logic and is so ridiculously bad that he's gonna get me killed. I'm making a policy in my head to lynch him on sight.
2. That player is so good as scum that it's mind-boggling, I never suspect him, and even defend him. Lynch-on-sight as well, just in case.
3. Somebody else thinks this player is worth lynching and has provided reasons. I can dig that, 'cause I've read the aforementioned games.

Let me know if yours differs, and why.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well SSBF we will have to agree to disagree, because I totally think you're missing the point of a policy lynch.

I'm still for a RC lynch his reads are dreadful, I don't even trust him vigging if he's town, which I don't think he is. Him vigging a powerful(Not necessarily PR, but me or LMP are simply better players than several in here) townie, and then getting lynched(mislynched if town) Is worse than him getting lynched(or simply mislynched). Yes the upside is him hitting scum. But he wants me or LMP. I couldn't be more town, and I've got a good town read on LMP.

This throws me for a loop. Yes, it's WIFOM. But look how townie it looks.

Anyways, my points from earlier still stand.

[ReaperCharlie]

I've already stated that I want RC lynched about a million times.

ok. well that's pretty obvious. but no matter how badly you want it to happen, stamping your feet isn't gonna help because the fact is, i'm no more scum than [insert any supertownie here]. so quit flappin your gills, take the hit to your self-esteem, and begin to scumhunt in a wider focus instead of just tunneling on me. sheesh. you're being as stubborn as benmage and tubby. seriously.

Tubby may have a few scummy things, but nothing in comparison to RC.

[tunnel]

Tubby's

[1]

suggestion of no-lynching when we had 5 unflipped dead players was[/b]

a bad idea, but that doesn't make it

scummy

. His

suggestion that there are two scum groups

could be

sure as heck looks like

a scum-slip.

But none of that compares to the mountain of

evidence

tunneling

that RC is scum. Tubby's play is a null tell, as far as I can see this is how Tubby always plays.

mountain of evidence == magna tracked me to a dead guy? i have a perfectly good explanation for that, which is: yes. i admit it.

i was tracked to a dead guy!

...what the heck do you expect me to say? i was tracking him myself, cause he looked like scum trying to fly under the radar. if the truth is not a good enough explanation... what is? you expect me to come up with some awesome story including robots and aliens?

And AGAIN let me reiterate that these wagons will be ripped apart come tomorrow IF slappy was actually a cult unrecruiter because my lord.

on that note: my suggestion (and what I'm going to do later today) is to look whose opinions changed (even if only ever so slightly) from Day 1 to Day 2, to see if anybody got recruited into a cult because they were one of the adamant ones about someone's lynch. i have never really played with a cult before except in werewolf wisborg asylum and i don't even know if that really counts, cause they were both pretty nerfed and town blew them out of the water (sorry spyrex, it had to be done).

anyways, those are the people to check up on. also, look for people who begin to chainsaw defend others where they never did before.

i guarantee a mountain of gold is waiting to be found, if there ARE cults in this game. curse the delayed flips.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sorry, the other case being that I was sarcastic during the RVS? oh, okay.

[ReaperCharlie]

A bandwagon of 3 that was 6 only a few days ago has lost its momentum and is getting smaller, ergo my assertion that it has 'lost its steam'.

Preview edit: Happy birthday, Chronopie!

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm seriously at a loss for words. In the end game, when RC is known scum, I'm going to feel really vindicated. (Granted I'll feel like a fool if he's town, but w/e). Any way you look at it, RC is clearly not getting lynched today.

No worries ... as I said earlier I've asked Sam to take care of Reaper tonight.

X_X

[ReaperCharlie]

More sense? No. I always post like this and I don't really care at all when people don't like it because it's not anti-town at all and anyone who ever complains is just whining.

*remembers why he loves Ythan*

[ReaperCharlie]

*skims over last few pages, notices ani has already been hammered, also notices GT's convenient 'hunt reaper... oooh wait look ani's getting wagoned bigger! hunt ani!'*

also, I'm getting good vibes from Ythan, Sawyer, and SSBF.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also yeah I ask that if there's a doc, please protect me tonight.

Or Magna, please call off your bro so we don't waste his vig shot AND a doc protect.

[ReaperCharlie]

...Rufus the lovabale zombie??!

lmao, SpyrEX!!

[ReaperCharlie]

You remember it.

Yes. You do.

DON'T YOU?? LOLOL

[ReaperCharlie]

You didn't hear it from me, but it might have something to do with hot sexy chicks after they've been brutally murdered by other hot sexy chicks...

/duck and cover

[ReaperCharlie]

btw, seriously Magna and/or Magna's buddy:

don't kill me tonight. mmkay? mmk.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah. Me too.

[ReaperCharlie]

If Magna comes in and says he won't kill me tonight then I will hammer right now. Otherwise, a week longer can't hurt, can it? It just gives us more info and more wagon analysis time.

[ReaperCharlie]

Dang I really don't wanna wait around all day for Magna. I hope he reads the thread before ordering his partner to kill me though. This is retarded. Somebody please protect me. FFS

Unhunt: tubby216
Hunt: animorpherv1

Preview edit: Yes, I am pretty sure scum are provided fake claims. That seems like a given, especially in large games. Anyways.

[ReaperCharlie]

Agh. Double ninja'd.

[ReaperCharlie]

DONT KILL ME, MAGNA'S MASON BROTHER/BUDDY!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

*if you do, I will come back from the grave and strangle magna

[ReaperCharlie]

I shot Midnight's Sorrow last night, rofl.

[ReaperCharlie]

I am betting 100% that scum killed off Magna and Benmage just to make me look bad. Those are the last people I would kill. Magna was pretty pro-town and 77% awesome except for thinking I was scum, but I admit I didn't like Benmage. And I wouldn't have shed many tears if LMP or tubby died either. I didn't want to kill tubby though because obv that'd put me in Magna/Benm's sights even more firmly. Anyways. Midnight's Sorrow was a good choice for my one shot if I do say so myself. In other games I've seen him in, he's really anti-town even as town, and he certainly wasn't acting pro-town in this game either. Hopefully he flips something red, or at least not-green.

And I also must say I am surprised that I didn't die last night. But since I killed MS, and I know for sure Magna's mason buddy didn't kill Magna, then I assume that Magna's buddy killed Benmage, which is also unexpected to me.

And I must admit that before posting my first post, I didn't pay much attention to the timing of the flips. I am perplexed that our Day 2 lynch flipped before our Day 1 lynch. WTF?

KMD, your reads would be better if you'd posted them on Day 1. lol. I mean, I realize it's part of the process, but maybe just save it all for one chunk instead of peppering us with multiple spurts of content which may in fact be obsolete... That post seems realllllly out of place. Night time is probably the worst time to write posts, cause you never know who'll get killed at night and ruin most of your post.

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: tubby

Am fine with a Chrono lynch too, but let's work our way up mmk?

No offense, but as said by me and others, tubby216 sounds more of an easy lynch then a best lynch.

Your defense of tubby is noted.

If he's town, this is exactly what scum wants us to do.

puuuuure WIFOM. and boy, is it tasty.

ReaperCharlie and Chronopie have a lot more backing them up as scums then tubby216. What makes you think that Chronopie/ReaperCharlie aren't the best lynches for today?

You mean, we've both been forced to claim? In your own words, why do you think either of us are scummy?

[ReaperCharlie]

But aren't we forgetting about Group Think and Lowel?

What about them?

[ReaperCharlie]

I dont even know. I was banking HARD on getting that D1 flip in regards to the cult and clearing some people. Further, MoI AND Benmage dying doesn't give me those fuzzy RC feelings.

Yeah I know right? especially when my only chance to look town was to NOT kill both of them the same night. lololol dam# what a fail on my part! but at least we know that if anyone ever claims mason with Magna and they aren't counter-claimed, that we can almost 100% believe them.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN CLAIM.

DO NOT.

but yeah. if.

[ReaperCharlie]

oooh, and more importantly, was there a Waiting in the Wings quicktopic and did anyone admit to anything juicy?

[ReaperCharlie]

Drat.

[ReaperCharlie]

oooOOOoooo, I didn't see your giganta-post. Very nice. I'll read it tomorrow when my brain starts working again. Sleep is good.

Good night

[ReaperCharlie]

ReaperCharlie, your #1111 is also a bunch of WIFOM. After reading that I find myself with a headache.

Ok. Cause I obviously killed BOTH MAGNA AND BENMAGE, even though I am claiming to have killed MS. And oh yeah, nobody counter-claimed that one, so I obv must have killed all three. Yes. You caught me.

Seriously, do you have anything of worth to add, besides just trying to throw dirt on the guy that the dead guys wanted to lynch?


Being two people, you'd expect that you'd be TWICE as useful, not HALF as useful. Guess not.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't know what happened. Maybe I got redirected to someone else, or maybe he actually

did

go nowhere.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&auth ... 5&start=25

This link shows that he wasn't around and posting on the site during Night 1 (Jul 15-18th), so I really couldn't say.

But that is what I saw.

[ReaperCharlie]

-_-

Please tell me how I am scum.

Cause mole was a doc, and I tracked him nowhere, but got tracked to him when he died?

This is BULLSH@#.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, this sucks but. Whatever.

%_%

My last wish is that you don't quicklynch and get no info today. Use the allotted three weeks to scum hunt, first.

That is all. ReaperCharlie out.

[ReaperCharlie]

Can I do my bandwagon analysis first before we lynch ReaperCharlie (And maybe get a few people here (Not including Starbuck)?)? We may gain some valueable information looking at it further. Still, we should lynch ReaperCharlie, regardless of circumstances.

That's what I'm sayin' yo. I don't know why anyone wants the day ended so fast, are y'all scared of discussion?

I realize you gotta lynch me. I'd do the same. but sheesh

If you listen to him and this takes three weeks I'll kill a kitten.

If you're actually town RC I pre-apologize but the cards done be stacked against yo.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

Now, let us discuss and scumhunt for the rest of the day instead of trying to end it this fast. FFS

If I'm gonna die I at least want to be able to contribute

something

.

[ReaperCharlie]

fwiw, if I thought my hunt was worth anything, I would be hunting tubby216.

[ReaperCharlie]

And here are my opinions of everyone in the thread still.

GroupThink - scummy
Nero Cain - ?
Snow_Bunny - scummy
Chronopie - town. but dumb
GenericHydra - very scummy
TheLonging - tunneling
Kmd4390 - town
Lowell - ?
Ythan - town
Super Smash Bros. Fan - very town
LynchMePls - scummy but town
tubby216 - scum
Sawyer - ?
Spyrex - town
Starbuck - probtown


And in case I can swing this, which I highly doubt:

Hunt: tubby216

for continuing to make any cases, scumhunt at all, or anything useful, and for continuing to sheep votes on townies.

[ReaperCharlie]

animorpherv1

(10)

Spreyx

,

tubby216

, GenericHydra, Nero Cain,

LynchMePls

, TheLonging,

Lowell

,

GroupThink

,

Midnight's Sorrow

,

ReaperCharlie

Confirmed Townie

Likely Townies

Null

Possible Scums

Probable Scums

Obvious Scums

I'm gonna laugh pretty hard when looking at how

fail

this colored alignment-legend is, later.

SpyreX

: He made a decent case against animorpherv1. animorpherv1 was already scummy, so this only solidfy my scum read on animorpherv1. Sure he was wrong, but at least he gave us something to work on.

Sure, he was wrong... lol FAIL

You don't think he could be wrong now too, especially when seeing him apologize in advance to me?

ergo, he is even less sure about my lynch than he was about animorpher's yesterday...

tubby216

: Really disliked his hunt on animopherv1. He did not give any solid reasons for them, even when mentioning animorpherv1 in his scum list.

Midnight's Sorrow

: Pretty sure that he put no effort toward explaining why he found animorpherv1 scummy. Also feels like obvious bandwagoning, as bad if not worse then GroupThink's bandwagoning.

Have you honestly never heard of the "second one on a wagon" and "second-to-last on a wagon" scum tells?

I killed one of these mofos last night, and the other is scum too. lynch tubby. please. thanks.

ReaperCharlie

: After spending all of his efforts defending his ass to death or attacking LynchMePls/tubby216, without any warning or explanation, he votes for animorpherv1. He doesn't mention animorpherv1 as a lynch candidate, but immediately hammers without giving reasons why he thought animorpherv1 was scummy. Obvious scum just got more obvious.

What would you have done in my situation? Say 'lynch me please! hurry!'? ani was acting scummy, there was quite a wagon on him, and he was definitely not helping us out much. ergo I hammered. I am not one to mince words or pussy foot around.

you should know this.

[ReaperCharlie]

SSBF: If MS + RC are obvious scum, why did RC claim to shoot MS? Scumtactic?

I believe that it is a scum tactic ReaperCharlie made up so he can cover his track by claiming to kill Midnight's Sorrow. He was also tracked to molestargazer, a townie, so as far as I'm concerned, he is scum. He also said that he killed Midnight's Sorrow for being anti-townie, not scummy. Midnight's Sorrow would be a safe kill for him to hide under if he is scum.

So... when I am about to be lynched, a good scum tactic would be to kill off a scumbuddy?

LOL

[ReaperCharlie]

Also: is anyone gonna counter-claim me shooting MS?

and does anyone wanna claim shooting Magna or Benmage?

I thought not.

[ReaperCharlie]

If RC flips town I'm going to have a field day with you all.

When I flip town it's not gonna change anything. There's a mountain of evidence against me and therefore I am a good lynch.

All I'm asking for is a little more faith. Lynch tubby instead of me, and watch what happens.


SpyreX, I'm looking at you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes...

AND... ?

(I'm waiting for something rather more specific from you, Spyre)

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, honestly, I'm looking for something like this, if you're not too proud to say it.

Yes Reaper, I know you well enough to trust that you are not just stabbing me in the back.

I will trust you despite the evidence against you, because you are more valuable alive than dead.

And maybe, just maybe, you might actually be as town as you claim to be.

Proven ability != proven alignment, but I will give you one more day to convince me.

And here is my token of good faith.

Unhunt; Hunt: tubby216

No, this is not a joke, a farce, a gambit, or anything else devious, in any way shape or form.

I'm actually being serious.

[ReaperCharlie]

I need an eye raising emote.

I trusted you yesterday despite the evidence and there wasn't a fourth shot AND that flip incriminates you - the flip is the thing that makes it go kaboom more than anything else.

Neither of your abilities are proven and MoI is dead after the business yesterday.

I'll give you IF you are town I'll harness the powers of the dead and look at mr tubbs real, real lynch like.

Deal.

[ReaperCharlie]

Of course, I would prefer to live, but. You know.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'd rather go after better targets then easier targets.

Really now. So I am not an easy target? Right.

Based off the kills, there are probably a multi-scum faction group. If this is the case, you killing Midnight's Sorrow regardless of alignment would be a great way to deceive the town into thinking your fake claim is true.

You are smoking the grass, son. It wouldn't prove anything.

But I digress.



Notice how

townies

who jumped onto my wagon are actually still talking?

Notice how the shiftier,

scummier

ones just hopped onto it and then shut up?

You're fooling yourself if you think lynching me is good. Look at my wagon.



If you lynch tubby, that'd actually be a GOOD lynch, as opposed to lynching me, an EASY lynch.

I mean, since you're supposedly interested in GOOD targets instead of EASY targets, and all.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Nero:

On my claim: Does it not fit flavor? I don't know. I assume farside knows her stuff, if she's running the game and all. What's the problem

On my 'two' roles: Did you not see where Magna claimed that his mason buddy had the exact same powers as me? Tracker and one-shot vig? Does that make my role more or less believable?

On mole not sending a night action: Did you see the link I posted earlier? That shows that he was inactive site-wide during Night 1, and for over a week at a time sometimes.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't know what happened. Maybe I got redirected to someone else, or maybe he actually

did

go nowhere.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&auth ... 5&start=25

This link shows that he wasn't around and posting on the site during Night 1 (Jul 15-18th), so I really couldn't say.

But that is what I saw.

Here is where I showed that.


And read

mole's #487

and please tell me what motivation I would have to kill him, if I was scum. None whatsoever.

Seriously, use your freaking brains.

[ReaperCharlie]

I guess. It's directed at anybody who didn't read it already.

[ReaperCharlie]

If you don’t end up swinging today I’m going to ask Sam to just vig you tonight. Your play is not Town in my eyes. Yes, Sam can also Track and Vig. Wonder why I find your claim to be crappy?

Magna ISO #38

[ReaperCharlie]

And read

mole's #487

and please tell me what motivation I would have to kill him, if I was scum. None whatsoever.

Would you like some chesse with that

WIFOM

?

+ I can't find where Magna said that Sam had the same role as you. What is the ISO #.

Sure, write it off as WIFOM, but I would have had absolutely no reason to kill him.

If anything I would have gone for LMP or Magna, and hoped like any good scum would, that town would call WIFOM about it.

Which you are doing right now.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, it would have still gone through.

[ReaperCharlie]

He accuss me of one moment of WIFOM, yet he's a lot worse with them.

Back off!!!

I am the king of WIFOM! Why do you think I sell a whole line of WIFOMproducts®?

[ReaperCharlie]

aka ... the WIFOMaster®! hahahahaha

But seriously though. Serious mafia topic is serious.

[ReaperCharlie]

Bah. Go town.