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So we have:
a burning death, which is presumably the fallen angels mafia (probably not including Crowley, but who can say),
a death by malnutrition, which is presumably Famine/Horseperson mafia,
a run over by a bike death, which is probably one of Them and, since I consider it unlikely that Adam is a SK, I wonder if this was a vig kill, at which point I wonder if it was IS,
and a miscellaneous death of scum by no know cause (Metatron as vig/SK?)
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The night scene specifically points out that the death of Beelzebub was a good thing (and doesn't for anyone else, leading me to believe that Them are pro-town, as was Aziraphale). Forces of Hell, then, are a highly probable scum group. The question, then, is which kill are they? Not malnutrition or a bicycle and they didn't kill one of their own. Possibly their kill was blocked, but I'm far more inclined to believe that they are the burning kill.
The witchhunters, further, aren't looking to end the world. In the book the two living in the present day are basically stumbling through the whole book just trying to get a handle on what's going on. The leader (from the fourteenth century or something) killed Agnes Nutter and was a bit of a freak. It's possible that he's an SK or a vig, but even that seems a stretch to me.
I've already said that I think it possible that Metatron is the SK. If memory serves, God was a somewhat indeterminate force in the book, so I don't really know, but if I were running this game, God might well be a red herring that I would leave out.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I didn't agree with what little reasoning there was, but no, I didn't find the way that the votes progressed to be strange. Dragon Phoenix actually presented more evidence than he often does in pursuing a bandwagon, especially on Day One. Oftentimes he'll just say "Just a hunch." And, DP is known to be a skilled player, so it doesn't shock me that people read his message and were then primed to see the post he pointed to as more scummy than, in my opinion, it actually was.Gaspode wrote:On a slightly related note, does anyone else think it somewhat strange that three people voted for me before any decent reasoning was given?
The fact is, though, I know you've seen bandwagons like this before, again especially on Day One. I didn't find the post that DP was pointing to scummy, but I did find this question to be so. You're trying to redirect suspicion on the people who placed it on you in the first place with the argument that it seems ill-argued and rushed. Ill-argued and rushed it might be, but to me, at least, it's so obvious how and why it happened that the idea of pointing to it as an anomaly seems desperate.
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I won't dispute the arguments made in the above, because they're coherent, if not damning. But, even taking the premise, doesn't Aelyn's guilt under this argument rely on Gaspode's guilt? And, since there are already several votes on Gaspode (for a variety of reasons), wouldn't your vote be better placed there?Peachy wrote:I could be misreading this, but I don't think so...
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Several people have made comments similar to this one, so I'll expound a bit. We have two sets of arguments against Aelyn, Peachy's and Coron's.olio wrote:So if Gaspode is innocent, Aelyn can't be scum either?
Peachy's arguments rely on the notion that Gaspode is scum, so if that's what you're basing a vote on, it makes better sense to vote for Gaspode than for Aelyn. If Gaspode isn't scum, then Peachy's arguments don't point to scumminess on Aelyn's part, just (arguably) poor play.
Coron, on the other hand, is voting Aelyn because his "style reeks of scum." This, of course, has nothing to do with Gaspode. As such, it's perfectly reasonable for him to prefer lynching Aelyn to Gaspode. However, if he wants anyone to follow his lead, he's probably going to have to point to specific examples, rather than simply positing the existence of scummy behavior.
I, myself, am voting Gaspode based on the content of his own posts and, if he turns out to be scum, will then reconsider the Aelyn issue. As I said before, Peachy's arguments seem to me reasonable, but hardly damning.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Gee thanks. I was figuring you did it with the help of a ouija board. It's good to know that you read their posts in order to determine whether a person is scummy.Coron wrote:My evidence is go to bottom of page, look for all posts by: Aleyn, see how scummy the way the posts are worded, size, organization etc. Then I say hey look this ranks way higher than anyone else *place vote*
My point, and I'll say it again (and not just for Coron), is that you're going to have to explain that to the rest of us if you want us to follow you. You found posts that are worded in a scummy way? Quote them and state why. That's an argument I can examine for myself and come to a conclusion regarding. Otherwise, for all I know you find posts that are worded ungrammatically to be scummy and that's what this decision is based upon. If it's just a gut feeling or a hunch, say so. Sometimes I can get behind that, but if I think there's analysis involved, I'd rather know what it is, and if you don't say otherwise, I'm going to assume there's analysis.
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I did and I don't. Give me a well-reasoned argument over a gut feeling any day. For one thing, everybody thinks their intuition is so good, when, in fact, most people's isn't. With an argument, at least I can determine what does and doesn't make sense. With gut feeling it's just a bunch of people shooting in the dark. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't tell me why you think someone's suspicious, then even if you're right it's just that you got lucky, not that you have finely honed instincts.Coron wrote:Look through the posts by aelyn like I did, look at how they sound and agree with me.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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mith: It's still just the one thing that I mentioned in the post where I voted for Gaspode. The way in which he was trying to deflect attention from himself onto the people who were, at that time, bandwagoning him seems disingenuous to me. In the context of Gaspode, who I know doesn't behave in a stupid or spiteful manner, this seems scummy.
Other than a joke at JDTAY, I don't think my subsequent posts have been urging the lynch of Gaspode especially strongly. I was commenting on the inconsistency of Peachy's logic and her actions by pointing out that, if eveything she said was true, then the logical response would be to vote Gaspode rather than Aelyn. Certainly, I think Gaspode more suspicious than Aelyn, but I'm hardly waving the IS banner and saying everyone should follow me because I'm always right.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Seriously? That's the best you can do? And I don't mean just the bit quoted, although it was clearly the stupidest of the lot, but the whole thing.Coron wrote:also an at sign, check my current newbie game to see how I feel about them.
And then the pedantic explaining to Stewie (I assume, since that was the only other post) about what your numbering means when clearly Stewie understood that and was complaining about the content of your comments on 16th, not your numbering system. Add Coron to the list of people I will never listen to under any circumstances. Unless he's scum in this game, in which case, well, let's hope I'm not scum with him subsequently.
If you're right about Aelyn (and really, learn to spell the name right; it's printed on most every page where you've gotten it wrong), I'll be chalking it up to luck rather than anything to do with your instincts, if that's the sorts of reasoning they're based on.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, Mr. "I'm in a baby-eating contest with IS"! It's one thing to want there to be logic in posts; I've come down fairly hard on Coron for that, myself. It's another thing entirely to be deliberately building a reputation for bloodthirsty behavior at the same time as insisting that others make logical posts. To me this looks like you found an argument you thought you could push through on Coron and didn't think about the fact that it's completely incompatible with the playstyle you're cultivating in other games.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Why don't you state your LOGIC in your posts, or do you and coron form the "no logic" club?
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Coron, you weretryingto delve into which elements of Aelyn's style were scummy, but you began by refusing to do so, saying that everyone should look and they'd see for themselves, and then grumbling when you finally followed through and did it. And when your detailed list looks like it does, it doesn't exactly suggest that you're any good at it. mith, on the other hand recognizes that accurately explaining your concerns is useful for everyone and does it in a cogent and thorough manner. I don't agree with everything he's said, but I can respect and understand the reasons he's making them.
False Dilemma: The main error of this sort that I see in your "argument" is the notion that a player must either be helping the town or be scum. Your suggestion that Aelyn is suspicious because he FOSed Peachy, who (in your view) was helping the town falls under this point, as does the notion that Aelyn has made a lot of useless posts and must therefore be scum. I would point you to the recently completed Long Winter game for examples of why this is a False Dilemma. Pretty much every town player, and possibly especially the two of us, was pro-town but taking actions that pretty consistently helped scum.
Also, I would note that you've made a lot of non-useful posts yourself, especially of the "C'mon, anybody who doesn't understand my argument and doesn't see what I see is scum" variety. You even admit to as much in your most recent post. If it's scummy in somebody else, why is it okay when you do it?
And yes, you have been playing very emotionally. In fact, the sentence just after you deny being emotional devolves into yelling at mith in all-caps. I'd consider that an emotional response. Also, claiming to have cracked a door while posting suggests emotionality to me. Perhaps others would disagree.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Several people bugged you to give reasons. You claimed to have them and we wanted to know what they were. No one was going to vote for you at that point without trying to get a sense of what your reasons were.Coron wrote:no one bugged me at all when I gave no reasons, when I showed you what I say everyone bugged out. He's just saying shit, I'm saying shit and backing it up with actual evidence from the thread.
Once you gave those reasons, a number of people decided that they were useless enough to merit considering you scum. I just think it merits considering you useless and so my vote is elsewhere.
As for the sarcasm, I don't think it was as sarcastic as you might have intended. You genuinely seem to believe that you come to reasoned conclusions about who's guilty and who's innocent, when the evidence suggests that you're coming to these conclusions on the basis of nothing whatsoever. If your emotional responses had been accurate or useful in other games, I might consider following them, but as it is, there's just no way.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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You're right, looking at all votes by meCoron wrote:My evidence is go to bottom of page, look for all posts by: Aleyn, see how scummy the way the posts are worded, size, organization etc. Then I say hey look this ranks way higher than anyone else *place vote*isuseful. "How scummy the way the posts are worded, size, organization, etc." suggests something more than a gut feeling, at least until we actually saw what that meant.
Secondly, I am not pushing for your lynch. I'm not voting for you and don't intend to. I haven't seen you do anything more scummy than your usual behavior. I'm trying to point out to you why this play-style is counter-productive. I think you create conflict in places it doesn't need to be and that it provides scum the opportunity to push for easy lynches on pro-town players.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Stewie, but I think Coron has more votes than Gaspode. The other part of the argument I don't have a problem with, but the first part seems factually inaccurate.Stewie wrote:unvote, vote: gaspode
I'll just vote the one that has more votes from gaspode and coron... and I don't like lynching someone while they are gone when they repeatedly said so. Gaspode, on the other hand, seems a bit quiet since we "switched" to coron.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Erm, wrong game Aelyn.Aelyn wrote:Oh, and one other thing. Coron, you say you're a Mason. As far as you're aware, could you be a part of the mason group that could recruit Homer?
With a deadline approaching, my vote on Pooky isn't going to go anywhere, and I think Coron can be caught out on a subsequent day if it turns out he isn't telling the truth, sovote: Gaspode. He hasn't done much to deflect the bandwagon on him, even though it's lasted longer than the one on Coron.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I haven't run the numbers, but I think we failed to meet these criteria, specifically the "at least half plus one of all voting players."A deadline will be set for days if we feel it is necessary, in the case of a deadline lynching will require at least one quarter plus one of all living players and at least half plus one of all voting players. Failure to lynch by deadline will result in a no lynch.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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For future reference, DarkLight, suggesting roles that might be interpreted as guilty-appearing after someone has said that they will be needing to do so but before they actually do is generally a bad idea. Unless, as was the case with mine, the role in question is dead. Now, since mith can't actually claim a role name (per the rules), it's not as serious here, but still. Typically it's a no-no.DarkLight140 wrote:Well... I guess Sister Mary Loquacious might be guilty-ish, but... she sounds more mafia-spy than anything else. What with serving the forces of Hell, and all. And that's the only maybe-guilty-maybe-not and still living role I can think of.
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But this tendency toward short posts has occurredPeaceBringer wrote:Mith, I come from an entirely different "school" of play. I do interact. I don't like long posts.whileyou've been playing here. In many of your earlier games on MS you posted long, drawn-out posts analysing voting patterns of previous days to try to pin down where the scum were likely to be hiding. They weren't always correct, but they were intelligent and well-intentioned even in those instances when they were wrong (or you were scum and they weren't well-intentioned, but they appeared so). The new PeaceBringer, who posts little of note and then comes up with a vote seemingly out of nowhere, is probably putting the same amount of thought and analysis into his votes as the old one was, but it's far less convincing to those of us who don't get to see your argument. In this particular case, the rattling on about how you'd prefer not to see careful analysis in posts seems scummy.vote: PeaceBringerIt takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I read that as his assuming that if you both live to tonight, you'll likely target him, so it's in his best interest to eliminate you. It's not an argument that you're scum, exactly, but preservation of self is usually a better plan than preservation of unknown other.mith wrote:he now votes for me again because I can kill. It's not as though anything has changed other than that you're getting a bit of heat. Getting nervous? My actual reasons for voting for you remain unaddressed, and this post just makes me more confident.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Okay, based on my (not necessarily accurate) read of their respective non-claims, I see a conflict between what Locus is saying and what mith is saying. With the threat of a deadline and each of them offering a different manner of proof, I'm going to have to side with Locus (barring posts from his named associates that express bafflement at his asking for confirmation). mith has an investigative result against him. Locus' supposed confirmation can happen today, where mith's requires waiting until tomorrow; scum with one-shot abilities (or other odd roles that are fairly common in themed games) often gain a great deal by stalling an extra day. If mith is the vig he claims, we lose less by lynching him than we lose if Locus is who I think he is.
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Not that you probably want to hear my opinion on it any more, mith, but if you survive to night, I still think PeaceBringer is a good target.
And I don't think that you and Locus are claiming the same character (and clearly not the same mafia role), but I do think that the totalities of your claims are at odds. Given that I don't believe that both of them are true, the "scum with one-shot abilities" argument gains in stature, by my view. The more likely I think it is that you're scum, the greater the cost of letting you live to night, and Locus has increased my belief that you're scum.
As for the argument that I ought to have waited to move my vote, I would point out that you're still six away from a lynch and I'd like to further point out that a close split like this with extra votes on unproductive small bandwagons is going to result in us failing to meet the deadline lynch conditions,again.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Oh, then that completely demolishes my interpretation of the situation. Damn.Locus Cosecant wrote:The message isn't for you, Genocide Heart. I'm just letting the person who can save my ass know that my ass does in fact need saving.unvote: mith
Still, we need to make sure that if we're given a deadline that we don't screw it up, and while PeaceBringer is back to being my first choice, I don't think there's any hope of pulling that off with the levels of participation we're seeing.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Well, Locus, you're not confirmed yet. All you've done is say that there's someone whocanconfirm you. If it turns out to be Electra (who has been off-site for three weeks, I believe), that's going to suck for you, but it's not going to mean that town was wrong to lynch you (in the event that we do). I could say that there's someone out there who can confirm me as pro-town, but that wouldn't make it true. And if no one came through to verify that (which, of course, no one would) I'd hardly expect the fact that I had said it to protect me.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I wasn't telling olio not to waste a vote on Doomcow, I was telling him that if he's going to be away, it's better not to place a vote at all than to place one that then can't be moved. As for my singleton vote, I was hoping (and still hope) that it would blossom into a bandwagon, but if it doesn't, I'm going to be here to move it to wherever it will need to be in order to secure a lynch.
Mr. Flay, I think you missed Genocide Heart's unvote, but assuming it's right other than that, we'll presently need 12 votes on anyone other than LC or mith in order to lynch them. Dragon Phoenix is unlikely to vote, JDTAY is unlikely to vote, and Doomcow's not going to vote for himself. That leaves only 12 people not already on the LC or mith bandwagons. We need to have players on the LC and mith bandwagons removing their votes if we want to have any hope of lynchinganybody. More generally, any votes that can't be unvoted count against us far more strongly than non-votes, because not only are they not contributing to the lynch, but they're also increasing the level we need to reach to attain lynch.
Right now I see Electra, olio, and PeaceBringer as the players most unlikely to change their votes. If everyone else unvoted, that wouldn't be so bad. The 8 votes that are necessary to reach quarter-lynch far outweigh that. But I highly doubt that everyone else is going to unvote. Several of the voting players have posted without doing so (The Machine and Aelyn, just on this last page; if we're looking for scum in those two bandwagons, those two are at the top of my list). The more players we have who don't/can't unvote, the more likely we are to wind up not lynching today. That's what I was taking olio to task for.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I don't think there's any reason that either of us has to be suspicious. I was calling olio out for poor play (note that with DarkLight's support of DoomCow, olio's vote is now precisely the sort of obstacle to lynch that I was describing), not for scummy behavior.mith wrote:I'm going back and forth on whether Fuldu or olio is suspicious. I also remain unconvinced of Gaspode being scum.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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This was roughly the same interpretation that led me to assume Locus and the two names he gave (lazarusmoth and Genocide Heart, I believe) were the Them. However, given Locus' reliance on waiting for someone to come out to clear him instead of naming one of his partners has made me rethink possible game mechanics and I have another belief about the way this might work. As such, I think it's wrongheaded and even a little scummy that you're trying to get Them to come out to dispute a claim that no one has made, especially since it would be quite difficult for Them to do so in a way that wouldn't get them mod-killed.Genocide Heart wrote:There is only one possible mason group that can still support three members, The Them, and that would require Dog being a character and a masonry of five people. Both of those requirements would be a bit weird, although not totally improbable.
However Locus, Darklight, and DoomCow have claimedallthe remaining spots in the Them Masonry, so if anyone else is a member of Them and can reveal that without getting modkilled it would be quite compelling proof that those three are lying. I really feel like something fishy is going on with them...
However, I'll stillUnvote. I'm not to keen on voting for Gaspode, though. Aren't we in the process of replacing him or something?It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Given that you were able to come back and remove it, olio, yes. But based on what you had said, I hadn't expected that to happen.
And Genocide Heart, what I'm saying is that I don't think that Locus, DarkLight, and DoomCow are masons, I think it's a completely different game mechanic. If they were masons, Locus wouldn't have had to beg for his counterpart to come to his defense, he could have simply said who it was and they would have confirmed. The way Locus approached it suggests that he didn't know that DarkLight was the individual who was going to come to his defense.
If they aren't masons, then there are lots of roles that could work for the mechanic that I have in mind. I'm not going to say what it is, because whether I'm right or wrong, it's almost certainly better for the idea not to be common knowledge.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I believe, although the number of vote count errors that might have crept in is sizeable, we now have enough to deadline lynch Gaspode. If you aren't willing to vote for his lynch, you might consider an act of good faith and remove any votes on other players. We definitely have more than a quarter, it's just a matter of making sure we have more than half of voting players.
My initial argument against Gaspode occurred in the middle of February. There were a few votes for him before that, largely reasonless bandwagon, and discussion of him progressed from there. I hope that helps anyone who is looking to find the relevant information.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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First, it wasn't just my argument, but the arguments of several players, including Dragon Phoenix and Stewie. Second, the logic was disputed, but hardly refuted. The bandwagon fell apart when Coron translated his "gut feeling" into some truly appalling arguments against Aelyn and a large portion of the population turned against him.Gaspode wrote:If everyone's blindly following Fuldu on logic that was seemingly refuted months agoIt takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Well that wasn't what I had expected, but unless the roles are distributed in an unexpected fashion, I'll happily grant mith confirmed innocent status. I'd hope that in return my repeated efforts to lynch Gaspode will bring everyone else to grant me non-Horseman status (I recognize it says nothing about me vis a vis the demons).It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Pooky should feel free to clarify, but I believe he's said that he got a non-bad vibes result on a dead innocent as his third result back when he was railing against mith.Aelyn wrote:Pooky: Do you ever get anything more specific than "bad vibes"? It's been three nights, so I'd imagine you got a third result of some nature. Don't say who you investigated unless you think it's a good idea, but if you always get "bad vibes", I have a pretty good idea who you might be... and if you are, don't trust your results.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I'm here and I'm catching up, but I wanted to do something I would have done this morning if I were still alive. Below is the Dramatis Personae from the front page, edited based on the information we have, as well as with my best guesses as to alignment. Obviously, not all of these need necessarily be in the game, and the alignments aren't necessarily right, but we're far enough in that I think it's informative. Note also that there are only 15 named roles remaining, despite the 19 living players, so we probably have a decent supply of Atlantans and what-not still out there. I think I have some of the fifteen identified by action and word, as I'm sure many of you do, as well. Of the nineteen, we have four almost-certain scum left, as well as Metatron (a possible SK), TSNCA Pulsifer (the fuzziest of my yellows, possibly misguided scum, possibly a mediocre cop (getting scum results on witches)), and Sister Mary Loquacious (mafia cop, in my book, and the one of the yellows I think is most likely to be scum). Those aren't bad odds, although it still relies on them doing some more going after one another.
Also, 19 to lynch, DS? I hope not.
DRAMATIS PERSONAE
SUPERNATURAL BEINGS
God(God)
Metatron(The Voice of God)
Mole (Aziraphale, An angel, and part-time rare book dealer) was run over, and has presumably discorporated, Night 1
Aelyn,Satan(A Fallen Angel; the Adversary), died night 4
Mastermind of Sin (Beelzebub, A Likewise Fallen Angel and Prince of Hell) died, and has presumably discorporated, Night 1
Hastur(A Fallen Angel and Duke of Hell)
Ligur(Likewise a Fallen Angel and Duke of Hell)
Stewie (Crowley, An Angel who did not so much Fall as Saunter Vaguely Downwards) died, and has presumably discorporated, Night 2
APOCALYPTIC HORSEPERSONS
Gaspode (DEATH) was lynched, and discorporated, Day 2
War(War)
Famine(Famine)
Peachy,Pollution(Pollution), was lynched day 3
HUMANS
Thou-Shalt-Not-Commit-Adultery Pulsifer(A Witchfinder)
Anges Nutter(A Prophetess)
mepmuff (Newton Pulsifer, Wages Clerk and Witchfinder Private) was run over, Night 2
PeaceBringer (Anathema Device, Practical Occultist and Professional Descendent) was crushed by fish, Night 3
Coron (Shadwell, Witchfinder Sergeant) was burned, Night 3
Madame Tracy(Painted Jezebel [mornings only, Thursdays by arrangement] and medium)
Sister Mary Loquacious(A Satanic Nun of the Chattering Order of St. Beryl)
Mr. Young(A Father)
Fuldu,Mr. Tyler(A Chairman of a Residents' Association), was enveloped by fire, and died, night 4
A Delivery Man
THEM
ADAM(An Antichrist)
Porro (Pepper, A Girl, and member of Them) died of malnutrition, Night 1
Wensleydale(A Boy)
Internet Stranger (Brian, A Boy, and member of Them) was burned, Night 1
Dragon Phoenix (Atlantisan, Townie) was mod killed, Night 3.
Dog(Satanical hellhound and cat-worrier)It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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roland, I absolutely think the argument that you are participating poorly because you should have bought the book is total crap, but it does surprise me a lot that you can't find it in bookstores. They are (have?) reprinting a new edition this year, so I've been seeing a lot more copies at the bookstores that I go to as companies try to empty out their warehouses of old editions. It's usually shelved with Gaiman rather than Pratchett, and not always in sci-fi/fantasy. Gaiman is apparantly considered actual literature by some bookstore owners.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Now that I've reread today, I see that several of the things I thought I knew were mistaken, which gives me an excellent idea of which two named characters aren't present in the game. It's so obvious now that I think of it, I'm actually angry I didn't think of it sooner. Hint: There's a very specific reason they aren't in the game.
I also see that Genocide Heart is pushing pretty hard for the lynch of someone who has apparently been tied to me. I can't really allow that to stand, can I?vote: Genocide Heart.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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It may, perhaps, provide new and wonderful information invalidating my point, but as it happens, it doesn't. If we were not who everyone thinks we are, then there would presumably be a decent sized set of other players, i.e. those with the roles we are believed to have, who would know that to be the case. Unless they were exhibiting grossly poor play, they then would also have voted for one of the three of us. None of this happened. That you continued to push for this lynch even when no support materialized for it suggests that you want to get rid of the characters you think we represent, and therefore are scum.Genocide Heart wrote:Have you read my previous post? The one where I unvote you and claim I am far less suspicious? It may, perhaps, provide new and wonderful information invalidating your point. Also, why do you have God in green instead of yellow?
I have God in green because he was not working for the Apocalypse in the book. His ways were ineffable, but on my interpretation, his support was solidly behind Adam in whatever choices he decided to make. The same cannot be said about Metatron, hence the yellow.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Blackberry claimed mason and that AnnoyingPest could verify the claim. It isn't quite the same as claiming that AnnoyingPest is the co-mason, though that's reasonably likely. I don't see any mason roles that I consider likely under the circumstances, sovote: Blackberry.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I don't know who mith is; he's pseudo-claimed a believable, but totally unmemorable, minor character. I don't have my book handy to check. I do believe him, though, at least for the time-being. As for the burning death, we still have a demon left, as well, Hastur. I would presume the burning death was his.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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No, I'm saying I don't have any idea which minor character mith's claimed. Just that from the context of what he's said, he's saying that he's not on the list and that it's a very particular character from the book. If I had it handy, I'd go look, but it's in storage and I don't feel like digging around. But the fact is that, barring endgame concerns, I believe him for the time-being. Itcouldturn out that he's Metatron, an SK who has chosen not to kill until endgame, but I don't yet think that's the case.
On the other, I don't believe that Blackberry is necessarily outing his partner by mentioning Pitbull. If I were scum trying to buy time with a fake mason claim, I'd definitely say that I'm partnered with someone who isn't around to dispute it. If Blackberry turns out to be scum, we should take a look at Pitbull, but it's by no means a good argument against his being anti-town. I'd also point out that Thoth doesn't seem to have appreciated what Locus Cosecant's death tells us, in the way that Mr. Flay has. It's certainly possible that Blackberry thought the same thing.
The short version is that I don't believe there are any unidentified mason groups left, so my vote is on someone who says that there are.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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We've had nine replacements so far and there are three or four current players who could stand to be replaced. The very fact that the mods let me replace back in suggests that they're having a difficult time finding replacements. I don't think trying to claim mason with an inactive player is so unreasonable at that point. And we're talking about a claim that requires that there be three mason groups in this game. Since at least one member is dead in each of the other two groups subsequent to their having 'claimed' mason, this seems the least likely of the three (especially, obviously) to me.
Blackberry hasn't been in the game long, was away for part of the month he has been in the game, and has expressed confusion about what's going on at least twice. While basing my argument that Blackberry may simply have thought that he was claiming the obvious masons on Thoth's having missed the alternative counterclaim isn't necessarily a great argument in general, I think it works just fine in this particular case. Without a Pooky investigation, I don't have much else to go on today, and this seems to me like more than a strong enough argument to push for a lynch.
It surprises me that there's as little support for this bandwagon as there is. If I were scum and Blackberry weren't on my team, I'd be quite happy to jump on a bandwagon being pushed by a relatively undisputed pro-town. If I'm wrong about Blackberry (and I'll grant the possibility that I am), I'll want to look at esme and olio a bit harder.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Night One there were four deaths. It's Day Five and we still haven't identified where two of them came from. This leads me to believe that the Metatron, at least, is likely to be scum who has either decided not to kill, has been totally absent from the game since Night One, or has had his kills ascribed to somebody else.
If you look at the text of the summary of deaths in the second post, you'll see some inconsistencies. These may be due to mod inconsistency, but they can also be explained by more killers. For example, we had two deaths last night, but no one was burned. They just died. Also, Internet Stranger and Coron are listed as having been burned. I don't distinguish that from the way in which FulduI was enveloped in flames, but I do distinguish it from the fact that he is also listed as having died. I think he was targeted by two killers.
My main problem with this line of reasoning is that, except for Night One, the horsemen are either getting the same tag as what I presume to be Metatron, "died," when Night One their (Famine's) tag was "died of malnutrition," or they haven't killed since Night One (really unlikely). This tends to move things more in the direction of mod inconsistency.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Oh, this will help. I was going through an Amazon text search, line by line, over the weekend trying to find the character. Took forever and while I could find the things I thought he was doing, I couldn't find the character. The PDF wil make it much easier. It is, however, almost certainly totally illegal.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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That was the only thing I saw, as well, but Charles Fort isn't even a character in the book, he's just a guy who was mentioned. And mith said that this was one of his favorite characters in the book.esme wrote:Page 85, I think.
I had remembered there being a brief section in the bits that start on page 126 that had a guy actually doing things, but I don't see it. It may just be that I'm remembering something that isn't there because I want to. I don't know why Mr. Flay is being coy about who he thinks it is. He's not going to be modkilled or get mith modkilled by telling us what he thinks.
Does anyone who has reread this now want to comment on the ongoing suggestion that Metatron is part of a good guy masonic group? It just reaffirmed my belief that Metatron is undeniably a villain in the piece, meaning I really ought to go back to voting Blackberry.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I keep going back to four kills Night One, with the bicycle being the only one I'm comfortable considering ascribing to a vig. I can't explain it and it's really bothering me. With my decreased confidence in mith and increased discomfort with Metatron, I'm not taking anything for granted any more.
See, I don't like Charles Fort as the mith role at all. When he brought up unlisted characters that were a lot of fun, I thought of the Other Four Horsemen. But there's no reasonable explanation of a death by fish kill for them.
mith wrote:I'll get this cleared up somehow... it's so obvious to *me*, but it happens to be one of my favorite characters anyway.
Neither of these quotes makes any sense in the context of Charles Fort.mith wrote:My role is not based on what the character does in the book, but on the name of the character.
The only thing that sort of makes any sense is that he's Scuzz, aka (among other things) People Covered In Fish. But if that's the case, I'd have pegged him for the bicycle kill Night One, which he's denied having done. And I'd be inclined to think him scum.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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Yes, Mr. Flay, that's what I was saying here. But the more I think about it, the more comfortable that I am with the notion that if the Metatron is pro-town (still not convinced, sorry, but not going to push it), then the Other Horsemen could be, too. They weren't interested in ending the world; they just thought it was cool to ride with badasses.Fuldu wrote:The only thing that sort of makes any sense is that he's Scuzz, aka (among other things) People Covered In Fish. But if that's the case, I'd have pegged him for the bicycle kill Night One, which he's denied having done. And I'd be inclined to think him scum.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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I get the impression esme is counting one each of "Tibetans, Aliens, Americans, Atlantisans, and other rare and strange Creatures of the Last Days," which would make 32. I agree with olio that it's really only 27 (minus 2) roles, which would leave seven slots to fill. DP is one of them, and presumably so is mith.It takes a village to raise a lynch mob.-
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