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Oh.
I am pro-info, pro-explanations, and pro-establishment of opinions when it comes to protown play.
No reasons yeilds little of these.
I also don't BELIEVE in random votes. As in I don't believe they exist. There is always a reason, even if it is a whimsical one.
What was yours?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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UNVOTE:
re-VOTE:KATSUKI
this game has miraculously stalled inthe RVS.
As much as I enjoy seeing my team get their asses kicked by Seattle, it is no excuse for the posting level in this 15 person game!
Clearly we need a bandwagon. And Katsuki can provide.
My initial reasoning still stands."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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@budja.. because I didnt have suspects. They were all equally crappy cases.
but I do now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: vezokpiraka
Dont be evasive, veso.
DId you see how I just answered Budja's question.. even though it was utterly meaningless and worthless?
But I answer anyway.
Because thats what townies do.
We answer questions.
Or we hang from the neck until dead.
Your choice."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Oh, and @ jenni.. imy japanese... i was being slightly ironical. I asked if Katsu actually spoke japanese.. and why he was named after food?
I didn't actually have any good reason.. except for the initial interplay in confirmations gave me a tingle.
A little scum-tingle that I may revisit at a later time."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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What is wrong with this game???
EVERYONE: TOP THREE SCUMLIST NOW.
This lurking must stop. THis is a 12 player game for christ's sake.
Mine?
Domino
jenniwren
vezokpiraka
NOt for any real reasons. Just a slight inclination.
This game is so slow I hardly have a read on anyone.
Elli could be buddying me... but I dont have a scumread on him.
Tantslas is prob-town for supporting a BW... but I notice he is not on the Veso wagon yet.... HMMMMMM.
@ Budja... If Veso is a VI, he needs to die.
@ Tanslas. Her.
Lets quicklynch. I want to taste blood. And get to the bottom of these night mechanics.
PS. I already support a results-claim gambit. I dont know which one yet.. I gotta think about it!"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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FINALLY someone knows how to follow directions!
To answer your question.. who? any of the three I noted. (including yourself). Or Katsu.
As to Why? I defer answering that until a later time."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Katsu.. are you seriously saying that I am too town to be town? That my scumtell is appearing towny?
You really aren't even trying yet this game, are you?
There is a wonderful, well-accepted scum playbook for camn-hate.
You should look it up. It is easy to follow. Scum use it almost every game. It never works, but it looks good to the untrained eye. It generally starts off with vote-hopping. Why don't you accuse me of THAT instead of 'even though she LOOKS town, I think she secretly ISNT! hahahaha!'?
Also, your 'obvious reasons' are not obvious re: Tans. Please state them for me... cuz I am slow.
MOre Katsu votes, pls"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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That is because it doesn't work.jenniwren wrote:I'm still here; there just hasn't been much to add lately. Though I will say that I've never heard of lurking being used as a scumhuntingtool.
Stop doing it. Start posting more.
ButtonMan is scum."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Elli.. lets put mongoose at L-1 and see what falls out, k?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MONGOOSE
For ignoring me and disappearing as soon as things started warming up on him. totally scumerrific."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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@ Pom, I meant that yes.. but not in re: to you.....
@ Mongoose.. we don't want you to claim.. we want you to PLAY, and since you are scum, we want you to DIE. It is easy.
But before you die, we want you to tell us who your partners are.
If you want to defend yourself.. lets try answering THIS post. Humor me, mmkay?
@ Katsu.. maybe you could find something to add. That would be nice."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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TBM's is not an actual accusation, though, if you lookclosely.
He is describing my behavior as 'obvscum', which is simply a descriptive meme on this site.
'obvtown' or 'town' or 'scummy' or 'obvscum' is something anyone can do regardless of alignment.Being
He knows I am actually town, and that knowledge leaks out in his verbage.
I, on the other hand, am actually accusing him of being scum. As in, a member of the anti-town mafia faction."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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tanstalas wrote:Well - interesting. Vezok confirmed town AMIRITE?
WRONG!
If I were scum I would totally blow up a scum room, knowing full well that my scumbuddy was hiding somewhere else.
ps. Im lucky.. I considered hiding in Vezo's room."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I understand that Pom.
But clearing him is definitely a no-no, no?
However, Veso is on my hitlist for his hammer alone. I was hoping putting someone at L-1 would shake something out.... Maybe it did?
VOTE : vesokpiraka
For the obv reason- WTF on the quickhammer?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Unless it is ongoing... spill it.Far_Cry wrote:I've read through the thread, but don't have time to do in-depth analysis. I'll get to it tomorrow, hopefully.
And SHIT!!. Why do you hav to play with Mike again? Out last experience together was not really a great one.....
What is your impression of burnfire?
Relevant history? context?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I think Katsu is a filthy lurker, but town..
He has been skating by, posting absolutely nothing. I would normally think he was scum just for that. in fact, I did... but then, somehow, he has time to correct DGB's votecount. This is lurkeriffic.. but totally a townslip. If he was scum, it would totally be in the scum's best interest to keep that confusion alive.. hoping for a mis-hammer at 6 votes, no?
I guess I could WIFOM my way around that.. but given he has NOTHING ELSE OF SUBSTANCE... that is the only thing I can read on.
PS: Far_Cry (whose room I hid in last night, incidentally)
I will confess. I don't, and never did, think Button was obvscum. He COULD be scum, but his only scumminess is not seeing how obvtown I am. (which is actually a pretty big scumtell, btw) But I am undecided on him.
I wrote that with no justification whatsoever to try and get some mudslinging going.
And for general OMGUS-iness.
This game is mega-lethargic for some reason. . . and I will do whatever it takes to spur discussion.. because that is what we need to win."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I think I had been pretty clear that ANY wagon was profitable, due to the redic slow pace of the game.TheButtonmen wrote:@Camn:Why the pivot onto the mongoose wagon? What posting of his made you think he was probable scum and / or a profitable wagon?
Go back and see what I wrote when I voted.. it explains my vote.
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@ Far_Cry.... I don't know what exactly makes me so obvtown.... it is just my gift
Re: my hide choice.. I actually was going to choose Vezo, thinking that if he was scum he wouldnt get blown up (which I later realized was illogical).. and if hewastown, he was scummy, thus wouldn't get blown up.. then I WIFOM'ed it into thinking that, if town, he WOULD get blown up, because that is the one place the scum knows he WONT be.. thus making sure he lived..... THEN I Wifomed like crazy.. and eventually picked you because your name was in the last post, and I had been staring at it for 5 minutes. And I figured, if you were town, you were a replacement, and the scum would want you alive. But you might not have got your night choice in, so they would bomb somewhere else.
God how exhausting.
PS.. I have racked my brain trying to figure out how we can use our night choices strategically... but I can't think of anything.
Anyone have any ideas that they feel like they could share without wrecking them?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I am glad my harsh words regarding your activity level spurred you to try and contribute to this game.Katsuki wrote:...Furthermore, camn is definately not obvtown......TBH, as townie as camn may seem, she is quite high up on my scumdar.....
I will look over your points when I am more sober.
I also like that you are continuing down the path of 'too townie to be town'. I enjoy that.
You should really decide though, which it is. DO I seem town? Or not? You keep trying to have it both ways.... which is weak play. Either accept the fact that I am the most obv to ever be obv... or actually point out what is so scummy about me. Quit with this "camn sure LOOKS like town.. but I know better har har!""if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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But stifling any discussion of it? This is your idea of good strategy?Katsuki wrote:Asking about how to coordinate hiding definately does not fall into the "too townie to be town" department.
I couldn't disagree more.
An informed, organized town is a huge threat to scum.. so I dont understand why you would want to shut down discussion on any front. I get why you might keep your personal thoughts hidden, but saying that you "do not like any discussion pertaining to "night choices"" is simply anti-town. The night choices are the only thing than makes this anything other than a mountainous. and if there IS 4 scum like you suggest (which I doubt).... well.. nobody has ever won a 4 vs. 8 mountainous. Ever. So we should just give up now if we can't figure out how to make the night time work for us."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Ok.
1) yes. You DO need to comment on that statement.
2) mountainous games are games with no power roles or special mechanics. They are notoriously difficult for the town. This would be a mountainous if it were not for the night mechanic. Your suggestion that we AVOID talking about the night mechanic would essentially nullify any advantage the mechanic gives us.... Making this game equivalent to a mountainous game.
I hope those answers were clear."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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What questions? Did I miss some? Or are you shamelessly buddying?
How about this instead, hotshot: give YOUR opinion on us discussing night choices. Put yourself out there. Take a stand... Don't just try and egg on a town vs. town disagreement.... Because that is totally what scum do.
And ftr, I dont explain townreads, generally. So I will disregard your request."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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a) quickhammer = dumb
b) @ katsu...just keep rereading post 237 until you can understand it.
Then you will start to realize how to be a better townie.
I don't know why I would bother explaining again, since it seems clear you don't read my posts very carefully to begin with.
And stop with the caps, pls.. both of you."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Is English your first language?
I ask this honestly... Because it will affect my word choice. Plus you seem to have trouble understanding things, and I don't want to make assumptions."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Katsu- Although I did think you were town, I now have two very pressing lines of inquiry to take up with you. I expect your attention on both, until I am satisfied. If you deflect or ignore, I will see you lynched. Believe it. Here goes:
a)Katsuki wrote:Erm, I may post later to clarify as to what I mean, but yeah. I do not like any discussion pertaining to "night choices" and increasing scum chances of hitting.Katsuki wrote:how talking about night actions would be in any way helpful in "organizing" the town.
What happened to move you from NOT DISCUSSING NIGHT CHOICES to blatantly claiming your night choices. It is ok to answer 'you convinced my with your incredible logic, camn!!'Katsuki wrote:For more WIFOM, I too hid in camn's room last night :*
b)Katsuki in his last post yesterday wrote: If MPR did in fact hammer, he'll be facing the same questions vezo was.
What happened to MPR needing to face questions? Please answer and await my followup questions.Katsukiin his forst post today wrote:Oh hey, vezok was scum
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Vote: Tans
preview edit: stop with the caps. for real. Explain your MPR reasoning in full. now."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I think Katsu is combative, inconsistent, and unable to play a pro-town game.
Best case: a townie who will never be nightkilled, and will lose the game for us if given the chance.
More likely? Scum."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Good point tans.
Wecouldpray for a hypo-town Katsu to be randomly killed.
Of course, that won't happen given Katsu-scum.
And regardless... I would rather punish scumminess with a lynch.
Elli- i think Katsu has plenty of scum motivation to play this way. But let's assume town for a sec- do you want her in endgame with you?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I agree with THAT.. but what about the evasiveness? What about the unexplained changes in position when they become unpopular? And what about disregarding straight questions?Ellibereth wrote:
Wouldn't mind that much, have had worse...camn wrote: Elli- i think Katsu has plenty of scum motivation to play this way. But let's assume town for a sec- do you want her in endgame with you?
But really, I see no scum motivation to go for the easily checkable lie.
Scum totally go with the flow in re: their suspicions and opinions.. .. and it is a scum COUP when you can ignore questions and call it playstyle.
And imagine if it came down to one scum in [Katsu and . . someone else]. Kats is setting things up so he can just write off all his previous suspicions and accusations as gambits and WIFOM. That will be a fun choice in lylo.
Now, the fact that he was all over me about discussing nightchoices, and then started off the day discussing nightchoices.. I can let that slide. Most people see the wisdom in my plans eventually...
But unless he can answer my questions about MBR and the veso wagon, he is either scum or a liability. And I play games to win. That means eliminating liabilities."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Note how Katsu throws thisKatsuki wrote:I love the camn flipflopping. First me obvtown, now me scum, to somewhere in between.politicalslander out, despite the fact that Elli is openly changing his mind.
It is only useful to the SCUM for him to use sarcastic non-logical arguments against me, and ignore the same actions taken by his supporters. It muddies the arguments, and leaves a trail of nonsense to pick up later in the game.
If is is bad for me to change positions, then it is equally bad for Elli, no?
Yet another inconsistency. Katsuki cannot be relied on for logical thinking when it comes to pro-town goals.
Why?
Him being scum is certainly one explanation.
And NO explanation makes him an asset to this town."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Then get some answers out of him! If he is such a townie, he should be able to field easy questions re: reasoning.Ellibereth wrote:Camn...I'm not a big fan of the liability chop usually, but ESPECIALLY here, where the town can potentially LOSE with one unlucky night I'm even more against it..."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Good, jenni. Good.
Also, tans.. I see no reason why scum would all go into the same room. Or lie about where they went. So I am unsure if we can catch anyone that way.
More Katsu votes?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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OK.. lets get down to biz, while Katsu decides if she wants to start playing right, or die.
Day 1, partial final vc:camn wrote:Elli.. lets put mongoose at L-1 and see what falls out, k?
Katsuki (1): ,mongoose
mongoose(7): jenniwren, Budja(Far_Cry), tanstalas, Katsuki,camn, Ellibereth,vezokpiraka
vezokpiraka(1): MehPlusRawr
Hmm. Not much there. shook vezo out, though. Odds of Elli being scum? VERY SMALL based on this votecount alone.
MPRs vote is interesting. Bussing or instinct? Need to check:
Wow. MPR's iso is pretty thin. He should start posting more, too
Partial day 2 vc:
vezokpiraka (6):camn, The Buttonmen, Pomegranate, Katsuki, Far_Cry, MehPlusRawr
Katsuki (1): tanstalas
Even less there. Katsu was willing to punish Vezo for quickhammering, but didn't even bother to question MPR. On the bus early? Not willing to ride it twice? Maybe. I have some thoughts here.
Could the Veso wagon be totally towndriven? Maybe. Just maybe.
more later.."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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^^townslipTheButtonmen wrote:Also making this game mountainous is starting to seem ilke an idea worth discussing, in particular I feel like after the next scum lynch people should stop hiding and prevent any multikills from happening."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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