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I'm not sure I follow the arguments against name claiming.. surely the roles would be random, and the characters simply providing some flavour as opposed to full briefs?~ David Xanatos ~
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I'm not entirely sure why it would be anti-town to claim, given that the roles are apparently randomly assigned to the names, or so it seems, so while there may not be an obvious pro-town motivation, I don't see any anti-town motivations either. It seems a moot point, flavour at best.~ David Xanatos ~
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Pity, my sarcasm tags appear to have imploded..~ David Xanatos ~
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Unvote: Chevre
Vote: ThreeIsFrench
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I'm not sure where the [REDACTED] came from.. was that a prior game title or was that a smarmy way of saying "I've read his previous games"?~ David Xanatos ~
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I'm curious, why Zinger? Is this Karma coming back to him?~ David Xanatos ~
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I'm not skimming. I'll clarify this with a question.
How long have you been a French sympathiser?~ David Xanatos ~
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Magna > What question? I don't see a question I didn't respond to.. but if you repeat it, I'll address it.~ David Xanatos ~
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MoI > Generally a question has a question mark.
I didn't see the need to put pressure on him. I didn't, and still don't, think Vezok's done anything warranting that pressure, and frankly I saw the French and my mind clouded.~ David Xanatos ~
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My vote was quite obviously a joke. The seemingly random pressure wagon on Vezok had potential to snowball, and frankly I'd rather not contribute to a lynch without information.
And on that note.
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Vifam is dodgy is all hell in my book, but I'm waiting on her mounting even a vague defense before I drop a vote on her. Jily.. I honestly don't know. My gut says confused town, but my head says suspicious. My main thought is Vifam though..~ David Xanatos ~
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Why, when those questions which needed to be asked are being asked anyway? I have limited time at the computer at times, so I'd be unable to ask followup questions or respond to points without a moderate to significant delay. (In Mafia terms of course. 1-2 days real time at the longest, but given the pace of the thread is subject to fluctuation, it could be long forgotten by the time I respond.)~ David Xanatos ~
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I'm not sure how Hydras work on this site.. isn't it required for them to disclose who they are? :S~ David Xanatos ~
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See post #136.
I did respond to it, I clarified it with a question.
Mod: Is there a replacement in the wings for Jilynne?
Still don't know what to make of Jily.. direct contradictions within her posts, ends up coming off as either Town relying a little too much on meta, or slightly overconfident scum.. the replacing isn't really helping either, especially without any mention of a defense.. :/
Reading Vifam's ISO, I really don't like that the entire defense s/he's trying to field is "I agreed with the reads, but don't pay attention to that, pay attention to the other guy who agreed with people's reads, he must be scum for that!". Coupled with the silence since then, I find it a little more than suspicious.
Vote: Vifam
Please, explain why your "agreeing with reads" is a more valid defense than any of those you accuse of bandwagoning "agreeing with reads".~ David Xanatos ~
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And Chkballin, I'm curious. It must be a multiple thousand word post if it's taken you over three hours to write it...~ David Xanatos ~
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Admiral, I have voted for Vifam. I wanted to give her time to mount a more substantial and logical defense, but enough time has passed that it's even more suspicious.~ David Xanatos ~
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Who are the "heads" of each Hydra?~ David Xanatos ~
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But.. surely a game based on identifying tells and using them to determine who is "Scum" is undermined by a "person" who has the posting habits of multiple people, especially if those people are completely anonymous? :/~ David Xanatos ~
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Just a heads up, as of a couple hours from now, until Monday, I'll be V/LA.
Mod note:confirmed.~ David Xanatos ~
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Minor note before I actually go V/LA, was nothing to do with "town approval". As I stated, wanted to give her time to respond, she didn't, she still hasn't, ergo, vote.~ David Xanatos ~
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unvote Junpei
Just got back, it's nearly 1am, I shall catch up properly in the morning, but I just saw the Tracker claim.
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I think he means #289.. he called it A, B, C etc though..~ David Xanatos ~
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Uuh, I just got back from a holiday, and I'm unpacking. Excuse me for not having dropped everything to read over the game in minute detail as soon as I arrived back home, and instead prioritising real life issues. I made one comment gleaned from quickly glancing at his ISO, so sue me. I still need to go back and read everything I missed.~ David Xanatos ~
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I'll actually respond to this point by point. Please note that at this time, this is the main part I've caught up to, yes, I am lagging behind, but I felt this should be addressed as soon as possible.
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- He jokes, jokes, jokes, jokes... and FINALLY gets his serious face on when town starts to turn their eyes in his general direction. Are jokes scummy? Not in and of themselves, no, but when you're not scum hunting? It's fluff at best. An attempt to say "Hey guys, I'm here. Like me!" without giving anything credible or worthwhile information to the game as a whole.
Frankly, at that point, there was nothing I found particularly scummy about Vifam at that point. Not everyone instantly jumps into the game, and frankly I've always been one to take a slightly laid back role until I get a feel for the other players, you can check up my last game on that if you like. (Yes, I did claim too early then, but it worked out in the end.)
chkballin wrote:- Never in my days have I seen an RVS vote hop onto ANOTHER RVS vote. Something just doesn't feel right with me here. I don't see any town motivation for it.
There was a difference ofFOURminutes. That was simply me taking an RVS prod at Chev, seeing ThreeisFrench and thinking "Aha, the French!". Hardly "RVS vote hop onto ANOTHER RVS vote" given the timescale.
chkballin wrote:- Interacts with Magna semi-defensively. We all understand that questions end in question marks; what's the point in saying that? Obviously the point Magna made was worth responding to, otherwise MoI wouldn't have wanted David to respond. All that just to say that he holds his ground with the mass name claiming debacle? It just feels like he's making an excuse for not responding to Magna by way of continuing the nonsense joking with 3isFrench.
For a moment there you had me thinking I'd made a mistake, and the posts were by two seperate people.. can you please be consistent in the way you refer to a player? When I read that the first time I honestly thought I'd addressed MoI about a point someone else had made.
Regardless, to respond, at that point I was under the impression he was joking. It seemed to me at that point like a pure RVS wagon, and I didn't feel the need to move my vote to a wagon that I had no true basis in joining. ThreeisFrench had only me on him at that point, with what I felt was an obvious joke vote, whereas the Vezok wagon could catch wind without any real response from Vezok, and I'd rather not lynch without at least a cursory defense.
chkballin wrote:- this post has already been addressed for how scummy it is. "I mean, I want to give my scum partner some time to post an accurate defense. Y'know, so it's notcompletely obviousthat I'm bussing you." That's exactly how that posts reads to me. Scum not wanting to look like obvscum, afraid his vote on Vifam won't be taken as genuine. "Waiting for a defense" is his exact wording... then why does he contradict himself here by saying that Vifam's defense is shotty? He tries to justify himself and I find it to be completely full of garbage. Tries it again before going V/LA. Why is he so concerned with this? Why not just say "I've answered this" and be done with it? Doesn't read as town motivated to me.
I've answered this. Happy? Because I have actually.
Vifam refused to give any defense beyond "I agreed with the reads", while accusing others of sheeping, and trying everything to make people "look over there", so to speak. Frankly, I didn't believe that he was using that as a defense, so I opted to give him/her time to post an actual defense. I believe 15 hours is more than sufficient time for someone who isn't V/LA or under an RL pressure to respond, so by that point I decided to put my vote down and assess the situation based on any defense forthcoming, as the current one just didn't hold water.
The third link you claim I'm trying to "justify" myself is after Admiral said essentially that I should have voted for Vifam. That was my simply pointing out I already had done. He then pointed out he follows a particular philosophy of always having your vote on somebody, which is where he and I apparently differ. I prefer being more conservative with my vote when I can be, due to having mostly played smaller games where a single vote can be the "foot in the door" for Scum to bandwagon someone.
And the fourth link you provided there, what's more town friendly? Three words, or giving the explanation in a nutshell before I went out the door?
If I'd simply said "I've answered this", I rather suspect you'd have used that as an excuse to claim I'm "lurking Scum" or similar.
You know, I can show you the photos from my weekend break if you like, before you claim the V/LA was a "Scum Gambit" or something. :3
chkballin wrote:- WAY TOO DEFENSIVE about a single vote. What's he worried about?
That was me being sarcastic about the fact you claimed to be "working on a wall" to "expect soon". You'll note I didn't mention your vote at all, not quite sure how that qualifies as "defensive".
chkballin wrote:- asks for something that's basically already been given. This tells me that he's not paying attention to the thread as much as he should. He CERTAINLY watches out for his own name, but head-claiming? That seems less important until he feels the need to fluff his ISO with something he may think is pro-town.
There's a Hydra that's completely unclaimed. I'm new to the "Hydra" concept, but as I stated to the mod, it seems to go against some of the game theory of "tells" et cetera. It also suggests to me that at least one of the two has something rather negative to hide, which arouses my interest to a degree.
Now.. with that post addressed, I plod onwards. I apologise that I am a little behind, but as I said, working onwards as I can.~ David Xanatos ~
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Vaguely caught up now.. and how exactly is that a null role? You're roleblocking random people, that will include Town, and the person you Roleblock for good might be Town too.. that's not neutral, that's bad for everyone.. :/~ David Xanatos ~
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Guys, maybe it's not a mod-killable offense?
We've had one claimed third party.. maybe there's more than one? I know it's not Jester, but perhaps some form of Bomb? A game I played a while back off-site had a guy acting like this.. he turned out to be a Random Bomb.. :/~ David Xanatos ~
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I'm not completely familiar with what happens if a Vig shoots a random bomb.. all I know is that it got lucky last time and hit a Scum Roleblocker. I don't think Jason would be that level of bastard-mod though..
It's a tough choice though.. I mean, if we have a Vig, especially a multi-shot Vig, is it worth the chance of it being a Bomb variety to take him out?~ David Xanatos ~
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I should clarify, I'm not completely familiar with what happens if a Bomb is shot in general..~ David Xanatos ~
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What happens on a Lynch though?
Our version (Board 8 on Gamefaqs, aka Contest board) detonated on a Lynch too.. but the MS wiki specifically says "night".. is that the standard version?
If it is, wouldn't a lynch be wiser, to prevent us losing a Vig?~ David Xanatos ~
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Have him self hammer?
There's a large hole in that thought process.. namely that a Bomb would never self hammer, would they?
Neither would any role I can think of.. but I suppose that's something for later consideration, if at all.
Not a fan of the Zinger lynch either, after thinking about it more..
Why would someone openly claim to be an anti-town, anti-mafia roleblocker, and expect not to get lynched/NKed? :/~ David Xanatos ~
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Point. It's 3am, I'm gonna grab some sleep, and come at it all with a fresh look in the morning.
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Admiral > Personally, I consider neutral as meaning "not a threat to any party".. a party hostile to all groups is simply an enemy to all.~ David Xanatos ~
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Was that meant to be an unvote on me? Just noticed the double-vote and thought I'd point it out.~ David Xanatos ~
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Not just that element, in fact I've been trying to figure out exactly what a "Zang-Tell" is before I made myself look stupid..
So.. what is it?~ David Xanatos ~
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In addition, I'm inclined to disagree slightly with your opinion that a Hydra posting conflicting scum-reads is inherently a scummy thing. As you say, disagreements could happen behind the scenes, but though they are one slot, they're surely better posting their own opinions too?~ David Xanatos ~
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Junpei, why would a third party claim keep potential SKs off you?
I'm not quite following that logic.. :/~ David Xanatos ~
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Junpei > Granted, I see the reasoning now. Thanks for clarifying.~ David Xanatos ~
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I disagree with you Andrew. Chkballin, though a little abrasive, has been actively scumhunting and posting observations, I don't see him as fence sitting much personally, or sheeping, for that matter.
In addition, I have no idea where your opinion on Zinger is going, because he's claimed self aligned JK with a perma-roleblock element, then Doc, then back to the JK again, and now Town JK? That just screams "Dodgy as all hell" to me. He's either a third party, roleblocking random people and possibly someone for good (Do we want to take the risk that it'll be a Town Cop or Doc that's perma-blocked? The odds aren't in our favour I feel.. assuming it's a true claim.), a rather poor Town, who'll only cause confusion and strife, or a Scum trying a gambit. I personally feel that the way he's acting warrants a lynch.
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Off to bed. See you all in the morning.
Mod: Can we have a votecount please?~ David Xanatos ~
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Welcome Crappy. Strange name.. xD~ David Xanatos ~
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MoI, sorry to point it out again, but you did it again. You used the Vote tag instead of Unvote.. thought I should point it out.
And also, are you willing to tell us the names of the people who've neighbourized you? I'm inclined to agree that both aren't likely to be town, so by having the two names we can analyse who's more likely to be non-town..~ David Xanatos ~
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Can someone give me a quick overview of what a Neighbourizer is by the way? I can take a rough guess, but I don't see it on the wiki..~ David Xanatos ~
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The only thing I see is "Friendly Neighbour", and that says mod-confirmed Town, but that's obviously not what MoI means or we wouldn't be having this conversation..~ David Xanatos ~
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Ah, strike that. Found it under "Vi's Unique Roles". Interesting.. although what I find strange is that they haven't stepped forward to say who they are, confirm themselves as Town.. assuming it's single-shot that is.
Preview Edit: Aye, found it just afterwards.. does the Neighbourhood become a third faction, or is it purely like the Wiki says, a mason-group?~ David Xanatos ~
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What flavour/mechanics did they give you for it? Even if you don't name them, the differences might hint towards the non-town, assuming they aren't both Town..~ David Xanatos ~
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Might I ask how so? I believe it's already been stated that Scum neighbourisers are common (I think it was Silver who said it?) so if one of the two is already high on people's suspect lists, it may lend even more weight to a lynch.
You'll also note I asked later for simply the details he was given, to see if we can spot any inconsistencies that might imply changed/hidden details.~ David Xanatos ~
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I know this isn't addressed to me but I feel I should post this anyway.. Junpei, what do you think about the fact that Izak makes a comment about Jesters, and then proceeds to insult you for it? I know you mentioned it, but to my eyes, it seems very defensive and almost a case of.. "Oh ofcourseI was joking.. (Oh please god let people not look into this..)"
And as a suppliment, "Zinger says it all", when all Zinger really gave was a rather WIFOMy comment about you being mafia and "jumping for joy", and another minor handwave about perhaps the person he'd perma-roleblock being you.. it just doesn't sit right with me that there's such an open "ME TOO!" post there.. :/~ David Xanatos ~
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In the signup topic it was stated there would be no Jester or Governor, but as a replacement it was unlikely you would have known/remembered that.. I feel Pinky called it when he made his "Uninformed majority" snipe at Izak.. it does seem to have had a marked effect before his attack on you for the same thing..
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p3162322
But for Izak.. when I looked over his ISO myself, it just seemed rather disjointed, there're a few things he's blatantly backtracked on, such as voting Vifam for "sticking out like a sore thumb", without expanding on his thoughts/opinions.. unvoting to vote for Meram at a later date, still without expressing his thoughts on Vifam, unvoting Meram claiming there was "bigger stuff" and FoSing you in the same post, without an indication beyond, as I mentioned "Zinger says it all", which, if we take that as true, he essentially FoSed you for excessively dodgy reasons..
Oh, and as Pinky pointed out 300 posts ago, he claimed to still be "struggling to keep up", despite there being 3 days for him to catch up, re-read anything he felt needed focus, and continue as normal.. he tries to handwave it as "not put them into a list", but it's not just that, beyond his votes I see no solid opinions expressed that aren't along the lines of "YEAH! I AGREE WITH (Person)".. he goes off on a minor rant against Zinger but frankly I don't see any content there..
So, Izak, I'd rather like you to give us your view of the field right now. I won't even ask for a complete list.. how about just your opinions on the top four or five people on your radar right now, and why you're finding them suspect. It would help, and the "struggling to keep up" excuse can only fly so long before the question has to be asked, are you even trying?~ David Xanatos ~
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Might I ask for a more detailed explanation of why you are voting for Vifam then?
(Looking through your ISO, you or the other head never unvoted, so I believe that means the Marco and Pine votes are null?)~ David Xanatos ~
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I'm not going to unvote Zinger yet because as a player, he's openly lied to town, and in doing so, assuming he is telling the truth (which I still have doubts on), has revealed a Town power role with little to no reason.~ David Xanatos ~
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Hit post too early, meant to hit Preview so I could get onto the more detailed posting screen..
His play in general has been based entirely around deception until this point, no matter what his alignment turns out to be.. I'm inclined to cite "The Boy who cried Wolf" to be honest.. he claims neutral JK, then Town Doc, then Neutral JK again, and now Town JK.. at this point, frankly I don't see why we should believe the claim anymore..
In addition, even before he claimed "self" he even responded to an inquiry as to why he was holding his opinions back with "And if I'm not Town?"
I won't even touch on the "elitist" tirade, as I've not been around long enough to have any serious views on it, but it's a rather glaring red rag to a bull.. so to speak.. insulting an entire community isn't exactly going to help the game.~ David Xanatos ~
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Personally, I don't believe that this is the sort of thing Scum/third party would never do.. especially newbie Scum, thinking they can avoid a lynch for the rest of the game and simultaniously explain the lack of nightkills on them.. I don't believe that anyone would honestly miss the glaring holes in logic around the fact that a claimed jailkeeper is inherently bad for both sides (Town as it means Scum know a PR, and Scum as there's either someone running interference, or a target that's being watched all the time.. I played JK last game, and knowing that my ability blocked the NK meant I would be able to target those I was suspicious of, and if the kill went through, we had a confirmed Townie), especially a self aligned one.. (No loyalty to Town, no reason to declare confirmed Townies, for fear of angering Scum, no loyalty to Scum, and can interfere with the NK), and so if he was by some miracle 3rd party/town, Scum would gib him night one regardless. It's that thought that's making me very cautious about a potential Vig on him, as I have in the back of my mind something like bomb, or another role that'll do something negative if they're visited at night..
At the very least, he provides a major distraction for Town, and I believe we will learn more from him flipping than we'll get if he glides through.
And for the record, my top three right now are Zinger, Izak and Silver, Zinger for reasons I've outlined, Izak for reasons I've outlined, and Silver because of the apparent feud between heads, it seems a little staged, crass as that may sound. MoI put it rather squarely in a nutshell in post #687.
NB: Silver is somewhat lower than the first two though..
I was incredibly suspicious of the Vifam slot until the replacement.. Junpei seems rather Town to me, as does Magna. I'm leaning Town on Admiral too, but I'm somewhat baffled by his vote on Junpei.. I can understand residual suspicion from Vifam, but is there anything in particular from Junpei you've found scummy?
I'm still mostly null on others.. but I felt I should put down my thoughts, since I'm asking others to clarify theirs.~ David Xanatos ~
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And on that note, I'm going to grab some sleep. Have a good one everyone.~ David Xanatos ~
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It could be a cover for a standard Roleblocker, all it would require is Scum not targetting that person with any kills that night, and if the person is vigged, claiming assassin shot or similar. Otherwise it would explain why someone was Roleblocked..
That's a fairly sizable could though.. I'm basically thinking out loud here.~ David Xanatos ~
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As I said, basically thinking out loud. I've been criticised in the past for essentially holding back and keeping anything short of solid reads to myself, so I'm trying to be a little more open.. if at times that makes me sound like I'm putting out obvious/unlikely thoughts, so be it.. it's what runs through my head.~ David Xanatos ~
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MoI, I'm not sure if you're just skimming or if you're actively trying to misrepresent me, but you'll note that TWO POSTS after I posted that, I also posted, this,
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p3265912
And the first words of that post.. "Hit post too early, meant to hit Preview so I could get onto the more detailed posting screen.."
Hell, two posts after THAT I even expanded on it further.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p3266033
So please, stop trying to make out as though my sole reasoning was "lulz revealed role".~ David Xanatos ~
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This may be slightly redundant, but any chance of another vote count?~ David Xanatos ~
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Rodion > Bit of idiocy on my part there I'm afraid. I was JK in a two-scum player game in which the first died night one.. so any unblocked kill ended up confirming someone. Didn't quite think about the mechanics of it when not applied to that.. I feel a bit prattish now. >_<
And I note that MoI still hasn't responded to my reply, and now ThAdmiral is using his post to justify a vote on me.. once again, skimming or an actual attempt at misrepresentation?
Zinger 10 - Vezo,Leonshade, Junpei, 3isFrench, Izak, Pappum,Cherve, KillerJester, DavidX, Vollkan
Silverdrummer 5 - Slate, Oversoul, Nero, Meran, MoI
DavidX 4 - CHKBallin,PeregrineV, Rodion, ThAdmiral
Izak 3 - ZeL1nk, Pinky
Pine 1 - Silver
Chkballin 1 - Andrew~ David Xanatos ~
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