Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Maxous

Let's see. TwistedSpoon, Me=Wierd and Javert. Played with you folks before so I'm glad to be playing with you again.

To the rest of you. Hi, nice to meet you.

hey oso

great to see you again =D

and glad too meet the rest of you guys (even klazam )

isn't this the time we start voting the mod?

vote: neil

I thought RVS votes were meant for pressure. Pressuring the mod does no favours for us imo :/

[Twistedspoon]

anyone care to explain how we'll get out of the RVS phase if we keep voting the mod?

[Twistedspoon]

actually, nvm
day 1 hasn't officially started yet

[Twistedspoon]

/\Omgus?

amyways

VOTE: Maxous

oh, and happy birthday Rhinox

[Twistedspoon]

Fair enough explanation, oso. But EGMEOU still.

EGMEOU?

[Twistedspoon]

I think it was IGMEOU = I got my eye on u. Having trouble entering the conversation twisted? How do you feel about the interactions between ender/erathos? me/farside? rhinox/oso?

yeah, thought it was IGMEOU
just seemed strange since I read EGMEOU twice
nevermind though

as for oso I see nothing particularly odd as of yet. I thought that He justified his reason and gave a counter-argument to support it. However I do realise that it isn't the strongest of finds from Oso, especially since it's so early in the game. It's a null tell for Oso, ender and erathos in my opinion

it's nice to see players like Rhinox and yourself are alert and reading carefully though. That's always a good sign. Like I say, the sooner RVS end the better

[Twistedspoon]

@Mod: I never voted Rhinox

YES YOU DID!!! I KNOW IT....

Okay fixed.

[Twistedspoon]

Newish, unsure, a bit directionless. Pretty much what I saw from him before. Your vote on him should wake him up though. Last game, votes and suspicions had a tendency to do that to him.

Newish? fair enough. I'm nearly 3 months though and I'm an SE too

woken up?
I've been awake from the start when I tried to get us scumhunting as soon as possible by taking the fast track out of RVS (by not voting the mod :s)

Don't find it scummy. BTW, what's IGMEOU? Can't find it on the wiki.

I've got my eye on you

It's on the list of abbreviations as IGMEOY

I'm not calling out lurkers. I'm talking about someone who is posting in thread and reading the game, but saying very little.

opinion question: which is worse, an active lurker or a lurker?

but srsly I can lurk if you want me to
/jk

Saurus - no post. How is he on the list?

Why not ask about Prosaurus?

I think he meant prosaus by saurus
but yeah, I'll ask on behalf of me=weird

Farside: Why single out TS? Javert, Klazam, Saurus and to a lesser extent Juls haven't really said much either.

why Juls?

and that's all I have to ask for now
more posting from Necessary evil and others please

[Twistedspoon]

TwistedSpoon - Have you played scum on this site yet (obviously excluding any current games you may be in)? If so, could you provide a link?

good question. Sadly I have not played as scum before in mafia.
My wiki page shows you my finished games if you want to read it

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TS: What is your view of Oso compared to the other game you two were in?

in our last game Oso was town. He seemed town from day 1 and considered all eventualities and possibilities with many of his speculative posts and only when our town read on him began to falter, or when we ran out of viable players for the lynch did we end up lynching oso (we had a claimed watcher and a confirmed townie in myself, so oso became the lynch)

this is why it didn't surprise me that he included a counter-argument in his reasoning. Oso is just the player to counter the arguments of his critics before they state them I would guess. Of course it could be seen as scummy by some players, as Rhinox interpreted it as. But to me it's just reminiscent of town oso from our last game. As such, i have a town read on oso. But bear in mind it is a volatile read and is subject to change as we're only 4 pages in. The more pages we go through the more accurate our reads should get.

I hope that answers your question.

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Javert

not answering the town's questions is inherently anti-town. You look like you need some motivation to answer

[Twistedspoon]

@Jav: so why did you claim if you are a day-vig? why not keep it a secret so you could use it a later day when you have more information to make more accurate reads from?

[Twistedspoon]

I don't mind being Day Killed,

why might this be?

[Twistedspoon]

it was a reasonable enough question

[Twistedspoon]

nooo
that's rolefishing
what answer are you expecting? "I'm the cop"?

[Twistedspoon]

personally, no

however it may already be too late since you've already hinted that you're a PR :/

[Twistedspoon]

so you have one investigation eh? do you use it at night or day?

i can see a theme in this game, that everything is one-shot :/

[Twistedspoon]

I just looked at Klazam and he is posting elsewhere around MS for the past few days. He also said he was bad with day 1. I don't know if there is any truth to this and is worth looking into.

why not? Or would you rather I did it?

unless I missed something Javert specifically declined to say if his role was normal or one shot.

really? I'm sure he said it was one shot
or maybe I just thought that since a claimed vig will probably only get 1 shot :s

question: in theory might it be possible to have a daykill scum?

[Twistedspoon]

indeed, NE has gone under the radar for too long

I'm fine with this wagon. My vote on Javert is utterly redundant anyways now that his wagon is gone and he's claimed :/

VOTE: NE

[Twistedspoon]

Oh yeah, Twistedspoon is totally scum. Look at his posts between his Javert vote and his unvote. He doesn't attack Javert, he doesn't question Javert, he doesn't push the Javert wagon, he's doesn't do a single damn thing to Javert.

now that's just false

@Jav: so why did you claim if you are a day-vig? why not keep it a secret so you could use it a later day when you have more information to make more accurate reads from?

anyways, big post tonight (hopefully)

[Twistedspoon]

@TS: Again..why did you vote Neccessary Evil? Why is he mafia?

well it was mostly a pressure vote. Saying so would kinda defeat the purpose of it though. That and I haven't seen to much towness from him

town until proven scum or scum until proven town? Tough choice, but my vote vote before NE wasn't doing anything anyways (I think it was on Javert)

[Twistedspoon]

well I can't be 100% certain can I? I'm only being honest about what I think
anyways, It was on javert, so there's no issue

I want to make a bigger post. Will try to do so later

[Twistedspoon]

Right my thoughts from page 6 onwards; took me long enough :3

Javert's claim is easily provable. He already stated he would use this today.
Any doubts about this should be brought up if he "changes his mind".

When Javert first claimed I had assumed he would have used it by now. By the way he was swinging his claim around like a club I thought that he was going to use it soon. I guess it might just have been a ruse to stop lurkers lurking. Anyways, Javert, will you be vig'ing today still? If so, who are your scumreads?

Wow. I couldn't get on the site at all yesterday and now I'm greeted with a ton of new content. I'm getting caught up now.

then

UNVOTE: you're on now. As soon as your finished reading up, top scum please.

o rly? unvoting so soon? The slightest trace of NE and you unvoted, before any content of his too. Ah well, you've claimed cop, so i guess it doesn't matter too much.

ender241 voted Javert for not answering questions and Oso makes a compelling case for ender, but I don't think Oso is town and I'm not going to sheep his read whithout a strong town read on him.

What makes you think oso is not town (and therefore scum). You didn't really explain this and why you didn't include him in your contenders for your vote or top scum as Ender asked you to.

Oso, what i dislike is the fact that he says he is going to kill today. If you want to DayVig you should wait until we have pretty much confirmed scum.

I'll find out what he is tonight.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Necessary Evil stop lurking, start posting.

So are you a cop or scum?

And is there a reason why I should care about being Day Killed? I don't see one.

This post hit a bad note with me. If ender had accidently revealed his role prematurely, don't point it out for scum to find

claiming

now

means I get to actively enforce posting content.

Seems like a weak reason to claim vig so early; to stop a lurker lurking. :/
It's usually only millers that i see claiming as early as you did

Dayvig me then.

I don't understand why you posted this. to annoy javert, or do you not believe his claim?

4 strong reasons there why his claim is not false:

• No reason, that I can think of, for scum to claim just out of the blue like that, especially not a day role where we can see the result in-thread.
  
• He has committed himself in such a way that he can't really back out of it. So he's not bluffing about being able to kill. He can day kill.
  
• He has shut off his options. Rarely (I mean as in never) have I personally seen scum shut off their options as completely as that this early in the game.
• He never does mention vigging anyone who votes him.

From where I stand right now, Javert is exactly what he claims to be.

:goodposting:
It doesn't matter though really if his claim is false at this moment in time though, since he'll be making his kill before the end of the day

Hey Javert, you said you'd vig someone for 4 days without content?

Well Klazam has gone the entire game without content

, so you know what to do.

you want to vig klazam?
Wasn't he v/la

anyways, I don't like directing the vig. I can see scum doing that easily and with good reason to do so.

question: in theory might it be possible to have a daykill scum?

I've seen it in a theme game before.

so might it be possible to appear in a mini game? If so Javert might not be confirmed town even if he does vig kill today; especially if he doesn't get NK'd

Good game so far. Keep it up!

what the-
what is this supposed to mean?
We've had 2 PRs outed and no scum dead yet. We have no indication of how close we are to catching scum

Oh yeah, Twistedspoon is totally scum. Look at his posts between his Javert vote and his unvote. He doesn't attack Javert, he doesn't question Javert, he doesn't push the Javert wagon, he's doesn't do a single damn thing to Javert. He accomplished three things with his Javert vote, and those things were VOTE PARK, VOTE PARK, AND VOTE PARK. He was vote parking on Maxous earlier too, and he's already looking like he's vote parking on NE. I suggest we park a noose around Twistedscum's neck.

Why would I want to attack javert? Maxous was an RVs vote; better than voting for the mod like some of you guys thought it'd be clever to do
vote parking on NE? Sure, as long as someone doesn't outshine his scuminess in my eyes.

@ EA and ender are both town btw.

you know this how? Or does the unity my wagon provides confirm this for you?

anyways, I've run out of time for today :/
G'Night

[Twistedspoon]

@TA. You can consider yourself at L-1 if you wish. I'd vote if we didn't have the question of Javert right now.

Right then. Fair enough

I'll claim if you guys want me to

[Twistedspoon]

I'm just slightly reluctant though. We've already outed 2 PRs today. I don't want a 3rd claim unless you guys think It's absolutely necessary that I do

Then I shall willingly do so

[Twistedspoon]

why? What's wrong with not wanting all our PRs outed?

anyways, I'm a one-shot cop

explains why I questioned Ender about his role I guess. I wanted to check it was the same as mine. I was quite surprised when he claimed one-shot cop

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@TS: I still don't get why you said NE was scummy when you said it was only a pressure vote though.

well at first it truly was. Then reading back I begin to find reasons and evidence why I thought him scummy and that added an extra meaning behind my vote.

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Also, TS - do you beleive Ender's cop claim?

at first I was considering counter-claiming him, but then I realised the role was a rather obscure one for scum to claim, and I realised that there could be 2 of my role.

I mean, We're 1-shot. 2 cops is rather unlikely, but I can see 2-one shot ones.

So yeah, I believe Ender's claim

[Twistedspoon]

2.)

My vote on Javert is utterly redundant anyways now that his wagon is gone and he's claimed :/

This post suggests that when Twistedspoon votes, it is ultimately to get people to claim, and not – say – because he believes that player is scum. Strike.

you misunderstand

I took my vote off of you because you had claimed vig. No town in their right mind would lynch a claimed dayvig, especially when it can be proven, as in your case

that's why my vote was worthless on you

[Twistedspoon]

if Javert does kill soon then should Ender and I say who we're going to investigate before the day ends?

I'm partial to investigating Klazam or EA tonight

[Twistedspoon]

eh, that's why i was asking

[Twistedspoon]

cool

[Twistedspoon]

Also, I was thinking we give Javert a town-imposed deadline of midnight Wednesday (tomorrow) April 13 to give town 1 week to decide a lynch. If he hasn't decided by Wednesday, then he is probably fake-claiming and he can be our lynch. Does that sound good?

I'm cool with the deadline

although i still can't see him fakeclaiming this early. i thought it'd be too soon for scum to draw attention to themselves like this.

However it's still possible he could be a mafioso with a day kill

[Twistedspoon]

If you all would prefer it, i can replace out.

nooo

<3 Klazam

[Twistedspoon]

sure thing

[Twistedspoon]

(1) he suggests I could be scum with a daykill; (2) he unvotes me because I have already claimed; and (3) he attacks ender241 for unvoting Necessary Evil, but then retracts his attack because ender241 claimed Cop.

1) it's possible. You'd even have to admit it's possible. I'm not saying you are tho'
2) so? Why would i want to kill a dayvig?
3)I attacked ender? When?

Oh, and you're in luck, Javert

today my first ever game as scum just finished.

'tis 71 pages long though
no need to thank me

[Twistedspoon]

It appears I am in luck.

Twistedspoon, please explain to me what your felt your "strategy" was in that game. How did you try to get Townspeople mislynched? Did you try to buddy up? Did you defend your scumpartners?

Why don't you feel your play in this game is not similar to that game?

well remember it was a theme game

you can't get a mislynch really. One player is the executioner and he just kills whoever he jolly well wants to

No I didn't defend my scumpartners. One of them I advocated their execution after they made a mistake, and the other wasn't active enough to bus. He was rather pro-town too though when he was around.

Buddying? I think 2 players tried to buddy up to me. I was cool with that since I was scum in that game. I didn't do any buddying myself though. It was only my 2nd ever game playing mafia and my 1st as scum. The other players would have probably recognised inexperienced buddying.

Does this answer your questions regarding that game?

[Twistedspoon]

I think I'll just say this now though to get it off of my chest

from thursday afternoon I'll be V/LA just to let you know

[Twistedspoon]

You claimed Deputy in that game with a single investigation result. Do you think that influenced your claim in this game?

I claimed deputy about 1 page before the endgame. The claim was unimportant since another player was going to be executed anyways and after that the game ended
I claimed deputy as scum in that game because I knew there was a nurse and a cop, so a deputy would make sense. I don't think it would have made much difference if I didn't claim or claimed VT though

[Twistedspoon]

what do you mean influenced in this game?
How does a fakeclaim in a game where I'm scum change my role PM in this one
I am a little confused by the question, sorry

[Twistedspoon]

well I'd taken the time to have breakfast ¬_¬
I have a life outside mini 1147

any more questions on the game that I so kindly revealed to you?

[Twistedspoon]

After skimming your QuickTopic from your other game, two things stand out to me. You are overly concerned with what others think about your play.

that's kinda important though when you're playing as mafia (or even town for that matter)

you don't want to be seen as scummy by townies when playing as mafioso

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When you were scum in that game, do you think you tried to use the "I'm confused" tactic as scum to make yourself look like befuddled Town?

well that game lasted 3 months and 70 pages

I can't remember every post and tactic now can I?

but no, I don't remember feigning confusion in that game.

btw, are you checking my town games too? What's to say my play in scum and town games isn't almost the same?
and are you meta'ing your other vig candidates too, or would you rather I did that (not that i know how to)

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I'm not shifting it; It's a side question

carry on your questions, I have no problem

[Twistedspoon]

@Jav:
sure

I slipped up in my first post with role speculation. Not a good move. From that point the town vig played a gambit to see if i was scum

post 228

then in post 231 the town vig does a U-turn and says I'm town after many pages of the converse

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I slipped early because I speculated on roles in that game. Even as mafia I didn't know what they were. I only knew there were 3 scum. That was all

Now in this game, you said you saw a "theme" of 1-Shots early after a single player (ender241) claimed 1-Shot Cop. Not only does that pretty much suggest you immediately believed ender241's claim (which is a bit far-fetched since you are claiming the exact same role as him), but it also suggests you might have too much though possibly imperfect -- I am not going to say how many shots

my

role gets) information.

I believed Enders claim because I thought that a one-shot cop seemed rather weak when i got it, and thought that there must be something to balance this out. e.g. another one-shot cop

[Twistedspoon]

._.

[Twistedspoon]

do we get the flip then?

anyways, I'm away for the rest of the day now, so I'll only have tommorow until the afternoon to post before i go V/LA
ciao

[Twistedspoon]

speak now ender of forever hold your tongue

I guess that makes my investigation all the more important :/

[Twistedspoon]

Before anyone had a chance to respond, the man who claimed he had one bullet, proved himself

Javert never claimed one-shot did he?
odd

anyways, there goes one one-shot cop. I wasn't for an ender lynch in case this happened
all the more pressure for me i guess
I will say that it's silly that ender didn't post his thoughts before he dies though. It'd have been nice to see the final reads of a confirmed townie

[Twistedspoon]

do you therefore think Prosaurus is scum, or the case on him being so is strengthened, as ender flipped town?

[Twistedspoon]

good answer

but what is your read on saurus, btw

[Twistedspoon]

well I appreciate the case on oso, but i think his play in this game matches up with his town play in our last mini normal.

We'll see though. He's probably clever enough to appear the same despite alignment.

@Suarus: You don't actually need to unvote, btw :/

Preveiw Edit: 3 claimed, 1 Confirmed.

What do you mean by this?
1 confirmed?
do you mean dead ender or Javert? I wouldn't say javert was a confirmed townie. That would be a very dangerous position for d1. Although it's much more likely that he's a town vig, he could always be a one shot scum daykill or summthin.

also 3 claimed? Enders dead, so it's as good as 2 with me and Jav

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In what way?
Was he wihy-washy with his position on who he beleives and who he does'nt?

kinda, but it was that sort of game i guess. No definite town reads. My strongest town read flipped traitor etc.

also

V/LA until Saturday/sunday

Noted...

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I am convinced by the breadcrumb
Oso is still a null read to me though

NE is already my vote, so I'm cool with keeping it on him (for now at least)

I was slightly surprised when you claimed masons though. I had (wrongly)assumed all PRs were 1-shot by now :/

[Twistedspoon]

true

but I'll give klazam a pass for today

If one of them eventually flips scum then the other should be lynched too

but that doesn't matter if they truly are confirmed townies to each other :p

[Twistedspoon]

actually, I think it would be rather risky for scum to out themselves like this and double up

Klazam wasn't in a huge amount of danger of the lynch, so I'm unsure if Mafia would take this gambit so soon.

I don't know. I'll buy it until i see more evidence otherwise. Most of the reasoning behind a false gambit is wifom and relies on scum taking a huge risk

[Twistedspoon]

because if one flipped scum the other is confirmed scum

[Twistedspoon]

1. We are confirmed to each other as town

[Twistedspoon]

indeed, with my theory of the one-shot theme, it would be rather risky for scum to claim masons in a game which we don't know masons exist

In fact, I've never had masons in any other mini normal game that I've been

I believe the claim; like Juls says, It's provavble

[Twistedspoon]

prosaurus and Oso are wildcards for me today. I'll give them a pass
The masons are forever unlynchable until proven otherwise
Javert gets a pass for the unlikelihood of a scum day vig in a mini normal. However I want to see him post again
NE and MW are the only remainders that i don't have town reads on. I'll live with one of their lynches today. I might later switch to him if his lynch becomes more feasible, but I'll stick with NE for the timebeing

[Twistedspoon]

welcome quiford

take you time catching up

[Twistedspoon]

Um...Welcome quiford, but please hurry and catch up. We have 3 days to deadline.

lol, sorry about that

didn't notice the deadline. I like the whooshing sound

anyways

Vigilante (Javert), 1-Shot according to the vig scene and also what I would also consider confirmed as well.

explain the last part please

but yeah, oso seems correct with his claiming recap

[Twistedspoon]

fair enough. I have no problems with that.
I didn't know about the assasin thing, so i guess my case is gone and Javert is confirmed town :p

but it would have been a giveaway, had the mod posted that ender had been 'assasinated' maybe?

[Twistedspoon]

@Prosaurus: Still happy with your klazam/quilford vote?

[Twistedspoon]

Take this up again tomorrow Javert, after a night to at least give TS a chance to prove his claim.

what do you mean prove? say, what if i was roleblocked etc.

and Twistedspoon has spent his last several posts (as well as posts before I used my shot) to try to undermine me as opposed to hunting scum.

how?
when have i tried to undermine you? I asked where you'd gone etc.

[Twistedspoon]

I'm getting the feeling that EA doesn't have Oso as a town read =|

[Twistedspoon]

the speed of the M=W wagon is slightly disturbing,but understandable considering the deadline being so close

anyways, M=W had better claim before the deadline

should it look like he isn't going to do we think a M=W lynch is better than no, lynch?

[Twistedspoon]

You didn't let him claim >_>
he could have been an important PR

[Twistedspoon]

I still think you should have let him claim =|

[Twistedspoon]

Also, I'm clear.

quick to point that out aren't you?

anyways, good news

used my one-shot last night and got a guilty on NE

let's get this wagon rolling, you can thank me later

VOTE: NE

[Twistedspoon]

if Twisted's bussing we still get scum.

VOTE: Necessary Evil

I'd think you be more graetful after my investigation. after much deliberation i decided upon NE

but anyways, I don't care, I just want to lynch scum and I think we have one here

[Twistedspoon]

and I think we have one here

by think I mean know of course (unless there's a framer or sumthin. But I'm confident in this

[Twistedspoon]

looks like you scared Oso off, EA =|

[Twistedspoon]

And, yeah, I agree with Maxous that the speed of my wagon is highly suspect.

how is it suspect when I have a guilty result

we've already lost one one-shot cop and we can't afford to lose another

I investigated you and got guilty. That's all I know, but the conclusions are pretty clear

so unless you can prove that the mafioso have a framer or I am an insane cop without knowing so then you're mafioso

imo, I think all cops are sane unless the mechanics usually have a theme of such, like dethy

[Twistedspoon]

Also I don't care that he posted after with a possible framer crap.

well you should care

my point was that i got guilty thus NE is scum

as you put it i am ready to go 'guns out', hence my vote

[Twistedspoon]

well I posted straight after so it doesn't really matter does it :/

I think might have been the wrong choice of words, but the way it is with me is that I have very precise boundaries for something that is definite. I try to consider everything, and the possibility of a framer was in the back of my mind

Still, I think he's scum, thought so yesterday too, and the investigation result almost makes it definate to me

[Twistedspoon]

ability used or not, we're still townies and it is bad to lose them obviously

[Twistedspoon]

what on earth-

I got a guilty, so why aren't we lynching?

@TwistedSpoon: What is your general read on Farside and Rhinox in this game?

general read? Farside and rhinox both seem town to me

[Twistedspoon]

so you guys think it's more likely that I'm insane or there's a framer than myself actually just getting a guilty on NE?

Occham's razor. By following this I'm correct and we should lynch NE

[Twistedspoon]

To those who are unaware of Twisteds meta I would suggest reading this game: Donner Mafia where Twisted was a PR and played completly differently, he constantly stated his opinions and thoughts on the lynches when they were bad; Something he did not do here when he claims that he thought Ender was town.

you're citing that game?

In that game i was a vig and shot an SK, a mafioso and almost a second mafioso had i not changed my target at the last second.
I was quite a good vig if i do say so myself

anyways, that's past the point

I wouldn't say I played completely differently

read day 1l. I hardly do anything as I'm doing here

In fact I'd say my play was almost identical until the final days of MyLo

[Twistedspoon]

Bleh. The meta's convinced me.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

did you even read it?

what part?

The argument doesn't even make sense since my play was the same in that game

[Twistedspoon]

The only scenario I see TS being mafia is if NE is mafia as well. They decided to bus in an attempt to clear TS. Seems a bit risky but plausible.

how about the most obvious, simple and true reason in which investigated NE because I suspected him and got guilty?

but no, that's way to simple to be true

you left me alive so i could use my one-shot and now you're just going to lynch me?
NE is scum i tell ye

[Twistedspoon]

since the other 2 concern me and I can't answer them I'll go for the other

2. What's your current read on Rhinox?

townishy

[Twistedspoon]

sorry to see you go EA

but I'm glad you guys have actually seen sense and that I actually did get a guilty on NE

took you a while

doesn't matter now I guess

let's lynch this scum

[Twistedspoon]

I can agree with all of the above post except for maybe prosaurus point no.1. It looked like a gambit that I've seen scum do many a time in the past

but I agree with the rest and think Prosaurus is leaning town

so any reason you're not voting the scallywag, NE?

[Twistedspoon]

TWISTED HAS NO REASON TO FAKE A GUILTY AS SCUM IN THIS SITUATION. HE WOULD FAKE AN INNO OR BE ROLEBLOCKED. TWISTED IS TOWN, NE IS SCUM. LYNCH NE!!!

Thankyou very much Rhinox

Rhinox has got it right, so let's lynch NE

[Twistedspoon]

Did you read the link that Jav posted from TS's game and compare the fake claim from that game and this? Same question to Maxous?

the link I provided myself?

That game was completely different. Firstly, I was playing as scum in that game

secondly the fakeclaim from that game was pretty much a page before the endgame. I could've done anything I wanted to then and it wouldn't have mattered. The lynch for that they had already been decided.
I just claimed deputy then for funzies :3

I'm a one-shot cop and NE is 99% scum

lynch away please

[Twistedspoon]

The reason Twistedspoon was kept alive, to the best of my knowledge, is so that he would have a result today.

that makes no sense

the same could have applied to ender, who you shot :/

[Twistedspoon]

well you say you kept me alive so I could investigate but so could ender

whatever, this is getting nowhere. Javert is a confirmed town and NE is scum

the direction is obvious

[Twistedspoon]

fine

well I did my investigation and I got Guilty on NE

That's all I know

[Twistedspoon]

Cop sanity is guaranteed in normals.

*bangs head against desk*

but you were the one arguing I could be insane only a few pages ago

[Twistedspoon]

I investigated NE because through all of D1 i suspected him. My vote was on him for most of the day

indeed, I was dissapointed we didn't lynch him and wanted to make sure we'd lynch him today if he truly was scum

I find it rather interesting that farside is coming under more fire than (almost) confirmed scum, NE.

TS: I asked you a question.

TS: Have you ever seen a day vig in a game before?

In a mini-normal, no

In a mini theme (execution mafia) I encountered a similar role that went by the name of town executioner who had a similar ability

does this answer your question?

[Twistedspoon]

The thought process of "Someone has claimed my role, I should post saying I believe there's a one-shot theme in this game" rather than thinking over the claim or the likelyhood of two exact roles co-existing in the setup seems heavily flawed.

why does it?

Day vig's rarely have more than one shot (see my last post regarding day-vigs. He had one-shot too)

ender had claimed one-shot

I was one-shot

Therefore I saw a one-shot theme

problem?

[Twistedspoon]

Therefore seeing a double-role-claim occur natural instinct would be to doubt it, this you didn't do at all.

I didn't doubt his claim

i thought it unlikely that he would be able to fake-claim the exact same role as me

I asked him questions about his role to check if it was the same as mine

so you have one investigation eh? do you use it at night or day?

i can see a theme in this game, that everything is one-shot :/

so yeah, I didn't doubt his claim and didn't see why not too

problem?

I for one have never seen a setup that involved two cops, or two one shot cops,

I agree that 2 cops seems odd

however I don't see why 2 one-shot cops would be so unreasonable, so I didn't doubt ender's claim for that too

[Twistedspoon]

The only way to explore the possibiltiy is seeing if there is enough reasonable doubt about yourself being mafia

no reasonable doubt here

[Twistedspoon]

Although this suggestion may sound insane because it would be horrible scum play but do you believe this could potentially be a buss?

What do you make out of TwistedSpoon claiming he believed Ender due to it being a "One-shot" themed game when Ender was the only person who had claimed a One Shot role?

No offence to Twistedspoon but it would be serious quick thinking to do this in the next post

2 minutes

after Ender's claim.

what's so hard to believe about a cop getting a guilty?
That's exactly what I did and all I've done

NE is scum. fin

[Twistedspoon]

what's so hard to believe about a cop getting a guilty?
That's exactly what I did and all I've done

1. The fact that you instantly believed Enders claim rather than taking time to think it over.
2. The fact that when even when you believed his claim you did nothing to prevent him from getting voted, lynched or vig shot.
3. The fact you showed close to no care over what lynch was going to go through yesterday.
4. The fact that you state you had a strong scum read on NE and then checked him, if your read on him was strong you have no need to reaffirm your suspicions, you would check someone you're unsure about.
5. The fact you're attempting to use the why isn't he lynched yet card when you can see how very clearly this isn't an easy choice given both of your play throughout the game.
6. The fact you haven't once attempting to state alternate reads or judge peoples opinions on believeing you or not. If you are indeed a one-shot cop likelyhood is that you die tonight, you seem to have no care in the world that your death is impending whereas a townie would be doing everything they can while still alive.

1) I've explained that in my last post addressed to you
2) I claimed and from that point it was obvious to the whole town that we had the same roles. What more could I do?
3) I did care. I stated the whole time I wanted an NE lynch and still do
4) I investigated hi so we could get this scum lynched today. If i didn't investigate him he might never have died
5) ?
6) this is true, but what's to say scum will kill me over other confirmed townies such as Javert or Quilford? Any of us 3 could die

[Twistedspoon]

Also TS: I'm assuming the vig in the game you were in was a 1 shot day vig???

sorta

he had restrictions on when he could shoot, but that's what his role would classify as

[Twistedspoon]

Oh right I forgot to mention this..

NE is on

L-1

now

Just in case..

any takers?

No one can deny that even without my investigation, NE merited a lynch

my one-shot was just the icing on the cake

[Twistedspoon]

Nothing to say, but I'm here~

you should have something to say :/

[Twistedspoon]

Prosaurus, you should hammer

It should have happened long ago
I agree completely with EA

NE is scum hammer plz

[Twistedspoon]

Not sure how I feel about being definitely lynched tommorow if NE flips town

I'm 99% sure he'll flip scum, but scum must be having a jolly good laugh if they do have a framer

either way, I'm prepared to accept the responsibility of NE's flip. I got a guilty on him and I want him hammered

Prosaurus, you have my permission to hammer

same for Javert or Farside if they're around

[Twistedspoon]

Hiya Locke

[Twistedspoon]

why on earth would scum have daytalk, prosaurus?

Do you know something we don't?

[Twistedspoon]

Hey Locke, any thoughts from so far?

[Twistedspoon]

I want to hear from Locke :3

but yeah, the prosaurus daytalk thing could very well be a scumslip. No reason to assume daytalk at all

[Twistedspoon]

let's clear things up

@mod: Do scum have daytalk in this game?

There are 3 possible answers we could get

1) mod says scum have daytalk (unlikely)
2) mod refuses to confirm or deny daytalk
3) mod says scum do not have daytalk

If answer number 3 is given, then Prosaurus is almost certainly town. However the other 2 answers could cause us to question why Prosaurus thought scum had daytalk were it not a slip

[Twistedspoon]

if another power-role were to claim during the mass-claim it would shed some light onto the likelyhood of TS's legitimacy.

small question, but how does another power role claiming mean that you'll finally believe me?

However, I do agree that both scum must have been on the NE wagon for NE to self hammer, otherwise NE would have let his partner hammer to gain townie cred

Vote: Maxous

so why maxous?

as for massclaim, I'm fine with it, but I don't think It's really my choice since I've already claimed :/

Massclaim seems a good idea since if we lynch town today, we're in MyLo tommorow. Remember that

[Twistedspoon]

Ugh, nyan cat :/

:3

yeah, Farside would be a fair lynch but massclaim would be nice too

[Twistedspoon]

just a small question to you, Rhinox, but why wasn't Jav confirmed town to you?

ender241

,

One-Shot Cop

was

Vigged

Day 1.

The vigged part kinda made him confirmed town to me :/

[Twistedspoon]

I can agree with your conclusion there comradé

[Twistedspoon]

I don't think they'd have expected people would discuss or believe the likelyhood of a buss, thus them doing it is optimal.

but you're doing it now, no :/

[Twistedspoon]

I know that I'm not bussing so I'm not going to bark up that tree myself. Discuss it between you if you must

@Quilly and Locke: why the maxous suspicions?

[Twistedspoon]

Err... Why am I so scummy for think scum have daytalk?

cause it could have been a slip since scum don't usually have dayttalk and there was no reason to think they did :/

eh, or maybe you're just misinformed.

[Twistedspoon]

whilst you're at it, it still says N2 :/

Ahem.. not anymore.

[Twistedspoon]

I was a bit surprised he was'nt roleblocked though.

so was I tbh
maybe they puposely ddn't roleblock me for this exact reason; so that you'd think this way

other than that I have no idea unless mafia don't have a roleblocker or the mafia roleblocker was roleblocked by a town roleblocker or something...

@Twistedspoon and Prosaurus: Number one suspect for mafia please. ^_^

tbh, I really don't know :/
I spent much of my time tunneling on NE that i'm outdated slightly with the rest.
Farside would be a reasonable lynch I guess. It looked as she was trying to protect NE in D2. :/

[Twistedspoon]

His play is lackluster to say the least.

How can you say my play is bad after I investigated one of the mafioso?

Clearly that's bad for you.

Gentlemen, methinks we have our second scum

VOTE: Farside

[Twistedspoon]

Maxous is prob-town to myself

course at times like this I wish I had another investigation

@Quilly: any news from yourself? I want to hear from our confirmed townie

[Twistedspoon]

@TS: Why do you think Farside is mafia?

Primarily because of NE's flip

Farside kept saying NE was scummy but never voted him. Even tried to protect him D2.
Mafia insurance that reads to myself

[Twistedspoon]

explain your PoE

[Twistedspoon]

@Farside: originally it was just a pressure vote on NE, but his reaction to it confirmed my suspicions more to myself. Then I let my investigation do the talking

[Twistedspoon]

case on or not, i suspected NE

was it justified. That's debatable to you guys, but I suspected him, hence my vote, and I investigated him

NE was sccum

those are the facts, now it's up to us to piece together the puzzle

[Twistedspoon]

so you think all of the scum will be off the NE wagon?

@farside: give me a sec

[Twistedspoon]

I can't believe I have to make a case on a player who's already been lynched ¬_¬

can't we just say I suspected him on gut, lurking or PoE?

It didn't matter to me ehy I suspected him when I submitted my investigation, but the fact that I did suspect him

[Twistedspoon]

Twisted, if you think Farside is scum, who do you think her partner is?

I'm not sure

I was hoping the NE iso would help, but he seems rather distant from everyone

we can cross the partner bridge when we get to it

also, do you want my thoughts on maxous too?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm pretty certain TS is scum. He's gone too and posting elsewhere.

that's because I'm in other games, obv

if the only thing you have is that you don't like my vote on you and that I'm posting elsewhere then I'm still very much liking your lynch
also, I'm dead in my other mini normal so should have more time for this one. Quilly knows that already though.

Still liking my farside vote. Other players might be easier to lynch, but I don't think they're the scum. Farside lynch>lynch>no lynch

[Twistedspoon]

I'm going to step in here. I'm starting to get town-farside vibes. Rhinox is town. Pros is town. Quildford is town. Locke is likely town. We're lynching Twisted or Maxous today. End of, so I suggest someone moves their vote.

This is very interesting from you duplicity

the last time you mentioned farside you said

My base reads on these players are as follows:
5.

Locke - Slight Town.

6.

Farside - Slight Scum

7.

Maxous - Slight Town

8.

TwistedSpoon - Slight Scum

what has caused to to change you mind so late?

Also, can I ask you how would scumflips from Maxous or Farside change your reads.
Thanks

[Twistedspoon]

actually, you've changed you maxous read too it seems from my quotes above

what has caused this?

[Twistedspoon]

in case I get the NK tonight, I'll try and get some reads up

[Twistedspoon]

hmm your farside town tells do seem somewhat genuine...

I'm having difficult imaginging Rhinox scum
and Unless prosaurus pulled of a very clever newb-town bluff with the daytalk thing, i don't see him flipping scu
Quilly is confirmed town
Locke is behaving townie enough, I have a better town read on him that I did EA. The slot is probably town. scum wouldn't tunnel as blantantly as EA did anyways I don't think
Which leaves me with Duplicity, Farside and Maxous. i remember Juls suspected maxous D1. without going into too much wifom, this could affect my read.

does anyone object if I try some VCA?

[Twistedspoon]

imo we have Prosaurus/farside scum

what has changed you mind here?

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, That's why you got your Locke thing from, but why change on Pro/farside?

[Twistedspoon]

so...

why aren't you voting one of them? We're not far from the deadline

[Twistedspoon]

I prefer a farside lynch, but I guess I'll have to compromise. She'll have a buddy, so I can't assume she's the only good lynch

[Twistedspoon]

right...

If we mislynch wrong today we're in Mylo tommorow...
what is the opinion on massclaim D4? (I think we can assume Quilly or myself will be Nk'd tonight. Probably Quilly)

[Twistedspoon]

hmmm

It would make sense for Maxous scum to kill Juls first since Juls had a strong suspicion of Maxous...
idk I want a farside lynch but....

fine, I'll hammer if there are no objections

[Twistedspoon]

Rhinox dying over Quilford increases my FoS towards Twistedspoon for the sole purpose of Quilfords strong defence of Twistedspoon, given how yesterday played out I see Rhinox reconisdering his reads entirely because they all were based around Maxous-scum whereas Quilford seemed to believe that Twisted was town regardless of anyone elses allignment or flip.

but why Rhinox? Surely this could apply to anyone but Quilford? I don't really see what you're saying here. anyone but a quilford kill made me scummy? Surely even If I were scum I'd have still killed quilly as he is unlynchable. Please explain

anyways, the last point I would like to raise is my suspicion of prosaurus. I entirely expected quilly to die tonight, however I think Prosaurus is the player who, due to the least experience, would most likely leave a confirmed townie alive. I don't know, but I'll tell you I'll never forgive you all if prosaurus turns out to be scum after all this time, especially after his daytalk slip which could either be a genuine slip or a scum newb-town gambit

@mod

: was Locke still V/LA during the night phase?

[Twistedspoon]

I thought this post was included in my last, but obviously not

I predicted being alive.

More likely than not it's mylo.

why did you think you'd stay alive?
It's odd that you are since you're a confirmed townie, no?

anyways, massclaim is fine by me...

I think we should all have an idea what we imagine scum would claim in this position, but don't reveal it until post-massclaim when conclusions can be reached

[Twistedspoon]

LL
Prosaurus
farside
Duplicity

we already know ts' claim and mine

am I to assume this is in order of most suspicious to suspicious, because that is how massclaim should be

[Twistedspoon]

What do people actually think the benefits are to mass-claiming here? As far as I can tell, it's very unlikely that we're going to have any verifiable night actions and so all it would do is help scum.

well we'll see

I think there's a potential for scum to be caught depending on claims, but I can't say anymore on that until we've all claimed

[Twistedspoon]

Unless you think the scumteam are both inexperienced, in which case you're pointing the finger at yourself.

I'm an IC

srsly though, I can't explain why quilly wasn't killed. However I'm still suspicious of prosaurus for that day-talk thing. You've sorta proved my point in a way that everyone but prosaurus is experienced, and so I wouldn't be surprised if they instructed prosaurus to do that daytalk slip thing to look more like newb town who don't understand how scum play and cannot possibly be scum

[Twistedspoon]

okay...
maybe I hadn't thought of the doctor-Quilford thing

anyways, I'd still like to bring up the Prosaurus-daytalk evidence again. I'm not willing to give him a free pass today and I'm hoping you're not going to too

also, Locke, are you claiming or not then? The majority of us seem to be in favour

[Twistedspoon]

i didn't change my argument

I was re-reading the thread through the nightphase and it struck me as out of place
anyways, It's a better argument and would make sense, so why not use it

so do you have a town read on prosaurus?

[Twistedspoon]

1) Assuming Quilford's list is from scummiest to least scummiest, do you agree with those rankings?
2) why do you think massclaim might catch scum?

1) no. I don't think you're these scummiest here. Farside and prosaurus should be above you in scumminess imo
2) I can't explain without ruining the purpose of the massclaim. scum would know what i'm expecting them to do

[Twistedspoon]

Anyway. G seems to completly disagree with my read on you, he's confident in LL being scum and has promised me a discussion about it sometime in the next day or two.

I assume you both talk in a QT about this game together?
Has G said who he suspects LL's partner is?

As for who I believe TS"s buddy is, to be honest I'm quite clueless and need to do a lot of re-reading.

before you scamper off and do that, explain why so far you don't think any of the players would be suitable buddies for me, were I scum.

At the start of the day I was hoping to catch scum by the old 'scum always vote at the start of Mylo' tell but it seems like they're clever than that. hmm

[Twistedspoon]

Would be more than willing to.

Farside/Twistedspoon - Doubt it because Farside would have known that NE was likely going to get lynched and wouldn't have had a problem with it, therefore would have kept her vote on NE rather than jumping of and casting suspicion on herself.

Locke/Twistedspoon - EA suggested that Twisted get vigged, unsure if he would ask for his partner to be vigged. His reaction to NE's defence and Twisteds posts throught D2 seem very natural and not scum vs scum.

Proasarus/Twistedspoon - Haven't even thought about this, but I still have a town-read on Pros thus I doubt this is the case, on top of that Twisteds push on Pros would be suicidal if it went through as scum.

so surely, since none of these pairings make much sense as you've just shown us, then surely the obvious conclusion is that the remaining 2 scum is a pairing that does not involve me.

[Twistedspoon]

also, do you mind If I explain why your rhinox NK theory isn't working for me?

[Twistedspoon]

So yes, although Quilford is "Unlynchable" you shooting Rhinox prevented someone who wasn't going to get lynched and had the possibilty of pushing on you alive.

no, this part

you were saying I killed Rhinox because of what you say here. However you're saying I had a (and the strongest in your opinion) motive to kill Rhinox, but Rhinox seemed far more suspicious of yourself (and other players) than he did of me. If anything, a Rhinox death is more likely to have come from you. Let's look at his ISO if you're cool with that

I'm fairly happy with the hammer, if Maxous flips scum

TS

Duplicity needs to be looked into deeply.

FTFY

suspicion of yourself (albeit strengthened by a maxous scum flip)

I'm mostly considering maxous, duplicity, and farside.

so both you and farside would have also had a motive then? More than me it looks like from this post

Anybody who thinks TS is scum better have a damn good reason other than a baseless accusation that they were bussing.

isn't this your argument on me mate?

I believe NE/TS IS a buss.

is all you really have seem to have said

anyways, back to the ISO

Why are we even talking about TS today? We shouldm't even be considering lynching him today. If he's still alive in LyLo, then we can argue whether or not he's scum.

okay, I shall admit that some points like this one do seem to be in your favour slightly, since I don't want to appear to be cherry-picking his ISO
I think this quote basically sums up your reason for why I would want to kill, Rhinox correct? (As well as the fact that you seem to think I've hypnotised Quilford to have a permanent town read on me or something like that)

Conclusion: Duplicty may be correct in that I may have had some motive for wanting to be rid of Rhinox since he said that he would consider my alignment again in lylo. However, Rhinox was just as suspicious, if not more so, of Duplicity & others and therefore this logic points to the conclusion that I am scum just as much as the rest of Rhinox's suspects

therefore the Rhinox death is pretty much a null tell all around

anyawys, I want to hear from Prosaurus

[Twistedspoon]

The one person I find the most town in this game is the dup/oso, with obv town Quilly.

talk about duplicity/oso then

[Twistedspoon]

F
Bonus points for anyone who can tell me what's wrong with Quilford's claim list.

ooh, pick me =D

LL
Prosaurus
farside
Duplicity

we already know ts' claim and mine

farside already claimed VT d3 didn't she?

I vaguely remember something like that

[Twistedspoon]

@FS You and Locke. You mainly from PoE, and I didn't like EA's play and I feel that LL is scum.

can you explain why you didn't like EA's play or why you feel LL is scum?

[Twistedspoon]

Just a townie here. I'm sure the claim will have me lynched.

there you are

Farside already claimed

I assume that's what you thought was wrong with Quilly's claim list

originally I wasn't going to point out that farside had already claimed in case she was scum, had forgotten and wanted to try and fakeclaim a PR role.
Had she done so we would have found scum definitely

however this is moot since we're not massclaiming now

[Twistedspoon]

well what's wrong with me wanting to catch scum through hat proccess?
if farside has claimed a PR just now, I'd have gone back to check how explicit her VT softclaim was

I'm not sure what you're saying here compadré, but if you're not scum, the implications of your vote could be dire. I'm guessing scum would have planned out a way to get a quickhammer in from L-2 if they both vote in rapid succession. Not good.

[Twistedspoon]

also, If I have to defend myself like this, then I'd like to point how the timing between Ender's one-shot cop claim and my immediate reaction being 'I'm seeing a one-shot theme' here

tell me, If I were not a one-shot cop, how could I have reacted so fast and randomly like that? I have never seen a scum tactic before where CCing a role just claimed was a viable move

[Twistedspoon]

oh yeah, L-3

This is only my second time in a Mylo/Lylo situation, the first being in my first ever mafia game where I claimed doc from post 1 because I was that inexperienced :p#

anyways, carry on then.

If you want something to discuss whilst we're on the topic of myself, you can talk about why I'd choose to bus NE instead of say, getting an innocent result on him or my other scumbuddy were I scum

[Twistedspoon]

1) I'm not sure that everyone thought that. For example in the rhinox ISO

I have a question that i would like Rhinox to answer only.

Rhinox: At the end of the day who would you think TS would investigated?

Looking back at TS's iso, I would have assumed it would be one of prosaurus or oso

2) true, but I actually am a one shot cop and got a guilty on NE. Is that harder to believe? Occam's razor; Now would be a good time to use it comradé
3) well not really, for example you're suspecting me of it now. I mean there will always be the possibility that a cop has bussed every time he gets a guilty investigation result. why more so now than at any other time? It's sorta wifom. by getting a guilty people will think I didn't buss which makes it more likely that i could have been scum bussing which makes it less likely that I would have been scum using this tactic etc. into ad infinitum
4) okay, sure getting an innocent on a buddy would have been very risky had i flipped scum from a lynch were I scum. However if that directly incriminates the investiagtee as scum, then why wouldn't I get an innocent on a townie as a sort of insurance to bring them down with me should I get lynched. This tactic would also not involve me losing a buddy in NE were I scum

srsly though, If this wagon grows any farther It has to be scum driven. Quilford, what do you think of this Locke Lamora fellow as the only player we can trust?

[Twistedspoon]

sorry 'bout that
you might not believe me but i thought i had actually answered it
anyways

Plus you still haven't explained your contradictory attitude towards Farside's claim. When I asked the question about Quilford's list, did you already know that Farside had claimed or not?

quilford's list seemed fine to me at first. 'course It didn't match the order of most likely to be scum in my opinionat the time, but I didn't see anything wrong with it at first except for the fact that I thought it slightly odd that Farside had already softclaimed d3. I didn't remember where it was in the ISO nor did I remember anyone making a big fuss or discussion about the softclaim so I decided to ignore it for now and bring it up should farside claim a PR
however when it became apparent we weren't massclaiming i forgot about it for a bit until you aid that something was wrong with the quilly list. That made me remember and I decided to point out that I seemed to remember farside having already sotclaimed. Although I wasn't sure when, but I had a vague Idea it was in d3. I also didn't remember the details of the claim. In other words she might just have claimed townie, so IF i said farside had claimed VT d3 when it turns out she hadn't done that explicity I would be wrong :/
anyways, what was it you found problematic with Quilford's list?

[Twistedspoon]

I sadly agree with this completely. I feel like I haven't done... well, anything in this game.

nah, you've been awesome

and you're learning anyways so no worries


anyways, I might take a look at the NE ISO myself if I have time

[Twistedspoon]

All those things go in his favour. My problem is he just does not seem genuine.

fine, I'm a bad one-shot cop if that's what you mean. I'm still one though

right now I'd much rather have investigated farside or another suspect of mine over NE since I doubt NE would have made it to this stage investigation or not.

if i don't seem 'genuine' or not you have to accept that your perception of 'genuine' will cost us the game.

[Twistedspoon]

And hey, if you are both town and being honest that you thought Farside had claimed but you didn't bother to go back and check despite wanting to catch her in a lie then yeah, that's bad, anti-town play.

what do you mean both?

and i said i'd have checked had she claimed a PR. before then there was no need to

[Twistedspoon]

?

so I cross out myself and Quilly and have 4 others left, 2 of which are scum. doesn't help me much

anyways, talk about your duplicity town read. I'm interested. we have yet to discuss duplicity today and I want everyone to be discussed since we're in MyLo and a mislynch costs us the game

[Twistedspoon]

This is a complete contradiction to the opinion you had of Prosaurus at day-start....

?

I never said i didn't think he was scum. I just appreciate playing with him alignment-regardless.
on the topic of him being scum I was hoping for a massclaim so we could see how balanced the town are for PRs
then, if we seem to have too many it could be possible that mafia had daytalk to balance this out and so prosaurus' daytalk slip becomes a viable scumtell
so I'd like to propose massclaim again.

[Twistedspoon]

The only real issues is I don't believe that TS would come up with the buss proposal himself

oh

So I've gone from scum to unintelligent scum
this only gets better

srsly, a lynch on me loses us the game

anyways
VOTE: Locke
I have no choice do I? Know I'll be lynched and we lose the game or lynch someone who could be scum, especially since i didn't like EA's play. Everyone else is a stronger town read (although I'd be happy with a farside lynch and maybe prosaurus too. I'd have to think about it should the interest arise.)
I reccomend that you take this wagon too. There's nothing worse than being a confirmed town and being lynched in MyLo. I've been lynched in Lylo before and lost the game for town. I'm not prepared to let it happen again.

I'd like Prosaurus to claim next, but I'm going to put this up because I can't wait much longer

Roles

2 one-shot cops
1 one-shot dayvig
2 masons
5 VT (assumning prosaurus claims VT. I'm in a rush so I'mdoing this now)

3(?) scum

I'm assuming scum have no roleblocker since I wan't RB'd N1. They might have a rolecop though. They're not uncommon in mini normals

I'll make conclusions from this after prosaurus' claim

Heh. I reckon what's happening with the night kill is LL/FS (or maybe only one of them) has done this NK so they can say scum are trying to frame them. If it's only one of them it's good for scum because then a townie will be lynched if they're caught.

if you're saying scum are trying to make me seem scum myself by the fact that they've left me alive and made odd NK choices, then you're spot on. Join the LL wagon. Any argument about prosaurus making the NK is void since scum should still have a partner left

kudos to you scum. You've played this well setting me up

[Twistedspoon]

I wanted to think prosaurus was but I can't get the evidence. No matter how hard I look my best case on him is the daytalk and that's unproven. However I'll try to prove scum have daytalk though after massclaim. If town look too heavily powered then scum may have been given daytalk and the slip becomes a true scumslip

and farside? Probably your buddy. I have no reason to suspect duplicity

[Twistedspoon]

by the elimination I've just shown

It's not partciularly hard when you know you're town, there's a confirmed townie, a strong town read and a player who lacks 'an evident scum agenda' to use your words

that leaves you and farside. gg

[Twistedspoon]

So why all of a sudden have you:

A) Attained a town-read on me
B) Dropped all suspicion on Pros
C) Ignored responding to the incident I brought up which reduces the odds of Farside/EA being scum together.

a) the conflict between the opinions of your 2 heads seems very townie to me. Scum know who's who so no conflict there
b) I haven't. I'm waiting on his claim atm and if it seems daytalk is likely I'll suspect him again strongly. atm, daytalk doesn't seem too likely
c) well it has to be. I know I'm not scum. You do not know this for certain

It's either LL/Dup, Dup/farside, TS/farside IMO

why not farside/LL?

[Twistedspoon]

I want to see how many PRs town got

if they seem to have too many then scum could have been given daytalk to balance this out. Then a slip would become viable
that's why I was interested in massclaim

[Twistedspoon]

the screenshot incident?

maybe. however I guess EA might have done it for exactly this reason. A new dimension to distancing? I'm unsure. I trust my gut over my assumptions of EA's character. But hey, If I'm ever in a scumteam with farside I'll get her to edit her posts, I'll take a screenshot and coast to the endgame on a wave of screenshot distancing. Not a bad tactic.

[Twistedspoon]

really? Isn't it more believable if it isn't them who brings it up?

In one of my previous open games I bussed my scumpartner right to his lynch from virtually post 1. For subsequent days I didn't mention the fact that I had bussed and I was believed to be town due to the fact I hadn't brought it up myself to claim townie points for the scum lynch as scum would. (I got lynched anyways but that's beside the point. It's more believable if you don't bring it up yourself)

If TS is town please kill me now.

[Twistedspoon]

no, I just don't think we can rule out the possiblity of LL/Farside scumteam based on that interaction.
but meh. I'm just one vote

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not certain it was a planned move. It might not have been. I'm unsure. I just don't see how it makes sense to rule out the possibility of a Farside/LL connection even if it wasn't distancing

[Twistedspoon]

it might not be planned but it still could have been done if they were both scum

why not?

[Twistedspoon]

If scum had a investigation-immune godfather and a rolecop, for example, I could see that being balanced.

Or daytalk perhaps?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm attemping to read through his past scum games to draw comparisons, should have information up within 24 hours.

have you read neruzian mafia? Just ended and i was scum
also I was rather poor scum in double day mafia

[Twistedspoon]

tbh, I just wanted to let my investigation do the talking on NE. I'm awful at scumhunting too. I can't remember the last time I did so :/

I think Quilford familiar with my scum meta now that our other mini normal has just ended, for what it's worth

[Twistedspoon]

anyone want to do some VCA for the maxous lynch?

[Twistedspoon]

I'll admit I'm no good at it :/

[Twistedspoon]

so you're sticking with the theory that I'm some sort of mafia one-shot rolecop or mafia one-shot roleblocker and that's how I noticed a one shot theme after ender's claim?

[Twistedspoon]

It's possible that you just genuinely thought Javert claimed 1-shot vig, as you said, in which case it's pretty much null anyway.

my excuse was that I thought javert had calimed one-shot

I didn't want to reveal my role at that point so i used that as an excuse :/

[Twistedspoon]

hey prosaurus, Vote LL with us

in other news my mini normal should be in signups soon. I'm looking forwards to it

[Twistedspoon]

so vote LL then :/

[Twistedspoon]

have you spoken with G then?

also, I could actually see LL NK'ing rhinox. Makes some sense

[Twistedspoon]

i didn't know who was scum D1. I didn't do much D1 admittedly

but If I had investigated anyone we'd still have had this conversation because It didn't look like I was particularly suspicious of anyone.
I mean I thought you said NE was who you expected I would investiagte (or am i getting confused here)

either way
@farside: So do you think I'm bussing too.

To top that of TS has been posting constantly in other games while posting minimal content in this one. He has yet to state who he believes the second scum is now that FS/LL have been explained as an unlikely pair and is currently fencesitting on his thoughts of Pros.

?

so you're saying I'm town in all of those games then? Great, tell that to the critics I have in those games

anyways...
FS/LL

is that still unlikely because of the screenshot thing?

meh

then it could be anyone as the scum pairing. I have no clue

[Twistedspoon]

hey farside, vote LL with me :p

[Twistedspoon]

Yeah, enoughs enough. Twisted just logged in, posted in all of his games and /inn'ed for new games without even a slight bit of effort shown in this one even though it's lylo and deadline is near.

assumptions

but whatever, I've said i don't know who the scum are and I'm tired of saying that this lynch will cost the game for us
You've already made up your mind so I see no reason to delay my lynch. This wagon is scum driven. That is all

gg scum

[Twistedspoon]

1) It's not an assumption, it's a fact you've shown no care for this care at all.

2) If it's scum-driven who's the scum driving it other than Locke?

3) My mind isn't completly made up, especially with G disagreeing with me therefore saying 'gg' is seriously pointless. If you're town you need to show it, you need to show effort to scumhunt you need to stay why you're not a good lynch apart from saying 'i'm town'

1) I have shown care. Well I tried. I'm just no good. You know this isn't my scum play. [redacted]
2) I don't even know. LL, Prosaurs, Farside. I have no clue

VOTE: No lynch

3) But how do i scumhunt? D:

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Farside
roll on

[Twistedspoon]

is that my win now?

[Twistedspoon]

ah it's 4 to lynch

cripes

[Twistedspoon]

bah

[Twistedspoon]

This is the part where Twistedspoon comes in and gloats >_>

this would've been so much easier had we killed LL over rhinox, Farside

[Twistedspoon]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/49dCBxEr4bwG

[Twistedspoon]

I can agree that it is possible that it was an attempted gambit however I do believe he is

an awful scum player

and therefore find the likelyhood of him pulling that gambit very low.

Duplicity underestimates me too much

[Twistedspoon]

Twistedspoon's gambit was awesome too.

ty

I've learned a lot

[Twistedspoon]

oh, and one last thing

i can see a theme in this game, that everything is one-shot :/

was complete chance

I had honestly seemed to recall Javert saying he was one-shot at this point. Turns out I was wrong but justified a fakeclaim nicely later...


oh, and I thought it quite interesting when LL created the theory that I was a one-shot mafia rolecop or something

but the truth was it was chance

[Twistedspoon]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3183046

awww thanks Juls

and I can't wait for our next scumteam game Farside. We were awesome

Regfan, I'd love to be in a scumteam or Hydra with you again sometime. I'd be honoured

I've improved a since the start of this game, and this will always be one of my favourites :3

had I not relied solely on my claim, then who knows how much better I'd have done

LL was incredible at getting me lynched. Thanks to his and duplicity's scumhunting I felt my lynch was inevitable for a lot of the day and realised I had relied too much on my claim. Credit to you both

Prosaurus I look forwards to playing with again too, and maxous was good fun.

Until next time eh?

~TS

P.S. Thanks again for the Nom Juls + All. I was so happy when I read the link

P.P.S. Quilford, what drug were you on in the mason QT and where can I get some?

[Twistedspoon]

I have my doubts that faking a guilty on NE was the best move in that situation but it all worked out I guess =D

what would you have done?