ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[SpyreX]

Lynches everywhere!

From here! To There!

Why? Unaware!

With glee! Now share!

Unvote, Vote: Lynchmepls

Really tired and couldn't think of more sing song.

[SpyreX]

Psh Andy/Plum is too adorable to los ropos.

Hobbit murderer.

(ps wagons go choo choo)

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh hoss yes.

Unvote, Vote: MoI

Hmmm … the first two posts of the game were votes for LMP and Vezok. One of these players absolutely deserves an RVS wagon to oblivion. But it isn’t LMP.

If Vezok flips scum those that actively chose to not vote uber-VI Vezok and instead went with LMP have juicy, juicy scum waiting to be picked hiding in that list.

SK and AGM put the SERIOUS BUSINESS BATTLE up with the first two posts. But, its the next two: has and DGB that vote for LMP and "start the wagon".

Again. Has and

DGB

.

Here’s the clincher … how was voting you taking your obv-fake claim seriously? I know you very well fake-claim pointlessly out the wazoo.

But you took my joke counter-claim of your vig claim DEADLY seriously. And it clearly was a joke. I’m not a moron who out himself as Vig Page 1 to a joke claim. I would have just shot you if that was the case.

My vote is good where it is. Outsized reaction to a single vote recorded for posterity.

DGB is scum of some sort. Lynch away!

The kicker here? If he actually believed his first post then you'd damn well expect a DGB is scum with vezok there since in moonbeam land she fits that POWERFUL SCUM PROFILE.

And the flipside is:

Again you keep dodging the issue about the LMP wagon – I only think there is juicy, juicy scum there IF Vezok is scum.

A wagon gets that large even if HOPEFULLY most people were on it for giggles? You bet your ass there's scum on that wagon. This is pretty much independent of vezoks alignment what with the risk/reward there being soo delicious.

Yea, book it.

I'm V/LA (but I'll still do my best to get on some) Friday - Friday.

Preview:

MoI is not a good day 1 lynch, even if you think he's scum.
He'll be a good Day 2 lynch though.

You done best be explainin yo

[SpyreX]

Elaborate more because just all-capsing letters that I didn’t say doesn’t make your point more valid.

Yea it does.

If Vezok flips scum those that actively chose to not vote uber-VI Vezok and instead went with LMP have juicy, juicy scum waiting to be picked hiding in that list.

Who, really was the first that performed this most heinous of acts?

Why, the person you're voting for. Which, if you believed that line for a second would sure as hell strengthened this point and make DGB AND Vezok likely scum together.

But you dont because its junk and just fists out swinging.

1. Vezok as scum means there is going to be a higher concentration on that wagon than Vezok as Town. Book that.
2. What do you make of DGB’s “All us Townies gonna be mislynched” statement when attacking me in light of the above. Because she’s arguing directly against what you just said.

1.) Amount can be quibbled. You've said not once but twice now "I only think there is juicy, juicy scum there IF Vezok is scum." that is not a statement of proportions. That is an IFF.
2.) Go ahead and show that key word "all" in what DGB said. Then, when you cant, go ahead and get back to me.

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Guys stop slappin around you're all pretty come over here.

[SpyreX]

Whaa?

No. That wagon has scum on it. Tis the nature of the beast.

Its the weird that wagon has scum on if IF vezok is scum business that I'm saying is shenanigans.

[SpyreX]

No. Just no.

I’m voting DGB (in serious mode) for her scumtastic reaction. You are jumping to crazy conclusions that “YOU DON’T BELIEVE YOUR THEORY BECAUSE DGB MUST BE SCUM WITH VEZOK”.

I'm not saying lol, reactions has anything to do with this.

I'm saying if you believed what you said as an additive part you would have clearly stated the connection you yourself were drawing through:

1.) If vezok is scum, the LMP wagon is filled with scum protecting vezok.
2.) DGB is scum because of lol, reactions.
3.) DGB was one that made the LMP wagon.
4.) Therefore, 1 & 2 support each other.

There's no 4. Not even a pretend 4.

1. No fucking didn't. I pointed out that my being attacked for calling a large amount of scum (aka juicy juicy scum) on that wagon was dependant on VEZOK BEING SCUM, That doesn’t mean that if Vezok is Town there isn't scum there. Just that it's not ripe for the picking. You’re drawing incorrect conclusions.

Again you keep dodging the issue about the LMP wagon – I only think there is juicy, juicy scum there IF Vezok is scum.

So yes fucking did.

If what you were

implying

is that there's obvious and multiple scum IF Vezok is scum then who? Because that sure as hell would be back to the above.

Which leads pretty well into:

2. I’ll quote for you –

I asked for the word all. ALL.

So again how many scum are there? Its a cult game afterall.

So pretty sure there is a whole lineup of townies there. Unless we're arguing the word whole means all but only means butterflies when you say it.

If Vezok is scum there is undoubtedly more scum on that wagon than if he is Town. Guarenteed. You can’t argue that with a straight face we go

Vote LMP
Vote Vezok
Vote LMP time 7 or 8

And not have that pattern support more scum if Vezok is scum.

Well, you can’t if you don’t live in Fantasyland.

Considering I'm a POWERFUL WIZARD well I'll get on my broom and fly there.

LynchMePls (8) - SaintKerrigan, hasdgfas, DrippingGoofball, Thor665, Nexus, SpyreX, Hinduragi, Lost Butterfly

How many of those votes were for pure giggles? How many of those thought that ANY of this was anything more then beautiful chicanery?

Now, is there scum there? Yea. Is the scum there a function of protecting vezok (and again, PROTECTING VEZOK) versus jumping on the funwagon to awesome town in case it actually went through?

The kicker?

If you actually wanted to make a case on DGB being scum it would have made a whole lot more sense tying it together with vezok being scum. DGB shifted that wagon, AGM said he'd prefer vezok on page 2 and that spawned the whole "ohh, I'll take care of it." DGB was cheering for the lynch like it'd actually happen.

You know, like if you believed it yourself.

None of that. No actually looking at whats going on aside from DGB is scum for her reaction.

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Preview edit:

Now LMP is scum? Ohhhh man

[SpyreX]

Okay, well at least you went into my answer a bit later, so I won't mock you totally on this one. But, seriously, there are a handful of players I just really don't consider solid Day 1 lynch options. If he's scum, look for a buddy and let's lynch the buddy. If he's alive Day 2 I'll be willing to start considering him. At the moment he is doing...well, his usual hyper logic with a few leaps I think are silly, but which overall looks like scumhunting, and I'd rather donk him around and make him explain some of the odd logic than run a serious wagon on him in any way, shape, or form. If you want to run a "lol, bad logic" wagon let's at least run up vezo or DGB or something because at least i could probably accept that as a good idea. This isn't.

This is so cart before the horse I dont even.

And really if you're adamant for JUST RUN UP A BUDDY you offerin the rope? Because lol, bad logic sure as hell looks like it if you think THAT is the gist of whats going on.

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Hey now apparently I dont even have half a brain I need all the capital letters to play because I can't read little ones. Its a condition.

Or, if you will:

If your gonna play makeout fight on someone because they're sooo town they absolutely shouldn't be lynched D1 one would think you would be

the most critical

of bad logic. Because that SHOULD ring as a klaxon.

Of course, that isn't even the case. Bad logic is bad logic isn't always a scum. Its about belief.

Not connecting the dots between his first THAR BE

DRAGONS

SCUM and DGB is scum isn't a product of bad logic. Its because he doesn't believe what he's saying. That is the important part.

actually i'm relatively sure thor hasn't read the game by this point, so nvr mind. #135 kinda gives that away.

He's skimmed enough he knows whats going on. Lol, bad logic is testament to that.

But while I have your ear why you gotta hate up ins.

[SpyreX]

I'll be clear because I'm getting tunneled:

I dig your song and dance on SK and could subscribe to your newsletter. I just feel it in the bellymeat there's absolute tomfoolery and I've got a live one here.

Every once of the demeanor oozes with that one eyebrow raised monocle in hand scum just looking down on the plebs.

So, lets rap. SK is a nice easy read filled with waffling and the stuff that bullets are made for. MoI has a much harder shell but is filled with creamy, creamy nugat. Thor's bizarre defense just makes this even worse

[SpyreX]

Cult.

That changes the dynamics a lot.

I'll admit I'm groping some in the dark because FFFFF cults but I'd be salivating all over a recruiter in general. They need to live to have a shot.

[SpyreX]

Point blank lets get this on the table:

IN THIS GAME, not in games past or through the multiverse where all games are scene, is MoI playing a "super town game".

[SpyreX]

@Spyrex - IN THIS GAME how is he being scummy at all? I disagree with some of his apparent stated logic, but I don't see him as an optimal lynch.

Go check OHH MOST OF THE WORDS I HAVE SAID GOD.

I'm not the one holding up Mjölnir in one hand and the Impenetrable Shield of Meta (TM) in the other. Tootown4lynch is not a default state - especially with the conditional "ohh TOMORROW would be fine".

So, I'm saying take that meta and throw it into the sun and if you're gonna tsk tsk it better be for better than what I'm getting.

[SpyreX]

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What in the hell is this?

[SpyreX]

It's a bad baby then.

I dont understand the obstinate nature of it. Its not like SK is espoused as this magnificent town read. Its spit in the eye for.... not voting him?

[SpyreX]

Tsk Tsk.

All I'm saying is he's a good enough player that he's not worth lynching on this weak as sin wagon you guys are cobbling together. It's silly. Stop acting like you've caught obv. scum - the case isn't there, it's a collection of reads all agreeing someone is scummy for different things and is, in fact, multiple RVS quality votes that have conglomerated into a big wagon off of nothing. I doubt any of the current voters could explain a reason for the wagon that the others would concur with - that's why it's terrible.

And Day 2 is a better day to discuss MoI lynchings, straight up.

I didn't realize being good meant you couldn't get a scum PM. Silly me.

It is true this wagon is much weaker than the opus of "LB is a little sheepy".

And... if this wagon is weak as sin and made from nothing why in the name of everything holy would it be open to debate tomorrow? Better be careful up there humpty dumpty that fence is awful high.

[SpyreX]

And I'll enter into V/LA with this little humdinger:

Check MoI's activity onsite. Its pretty awesome.

[SpyreX]

Man the vibes in here are going to make for one of those games. Lets hang each other civilly, k?

As per sig I'm on a garbage laptop and thus hampered some but the following I can do off the cuff?

MOI's activity yesterday: Chunks. Around 3 pm is the end of the first wave (ending on this one). MoI is then a talking point for the rest of the day. Hops on, checks the other games and nay a word here. Couple that with indignant rage for an awesome sandwich.

And as for "why am I not a good vig shot?" Ohh, you're a good vig shot. You're a much better lynch. Because Sk doesn't have ardent meta defenders and teeth pulling every step of the way to get it done. That wagon, especially in a cult game, if it turns up scum on you (it will) turns into liquid gold.

[SpyreX]

I'm gettin a little paranoid about something:

Is this just a general assumption about non-cult scum being in this game or am I bad at reading OP again?

And I'll guarantee from what I remember reading (cult no recruit until N2, pre-knowledge of a cult in this game) that this isn't a simple "cult leader" dancing party. Its probably more zombie-esque with multiple leaders at the beginning or some method to make sure D1-awesome lynch != GG.

[SpyreX]

AHHHH yes. Flavor kills my great nemesis.

Nevermind then.

[SpyreX]

Good lord.

Nexus is town.
MoI is stalling.
Of that myriad of hopping votes SK's needs a bullet.

[SpyreX]

Look at MoI's last post (which happened on VLA).

That many words could have been a claim and life could have went on.

No, instead its "I'm not going to tell you all to Fuck Off (I just did) P.S. lurker is scum"

And what in the hell is this about ridicule?

SK could eat bullets. Magua's teaparty was so bizarre I can't even begin. Nexus is town and there's a scum (probably SK) on that little teehee wagon jump. There is definitively more than that if MoI is scum and quadruply more if he's cult.

There's a fat stack of lurkers and a few bastions of pure awesome light.

This is the state of affairs.

[SpyreX]

Cult at this point is recruiter(s) more likely than not.

Those absolutely need to live for winning at this juncture.

Scum could balance risk/reward against losing a member - a PR there would be pretty damning but.

Quadruply is not a literal, but an exaggeration saying if he flips cult I could pretty much kill all you and it'd be a net positive.

You being the one to ask this is not a surprise since you've had the biggest Team-MoI shirt on ever and if I'm right about MoI will have the hellfire summoned post haste.

[SpyreX]

Yes 2 cult that can only recruit starting N2. So they can lose entirely before then.

Ohh snap is the scum pool warm? I dont like cold water much.

[SpyreX]

What in the hell are you on about?

THESE WORDS ARE IN REGARDS TO THAT LITTLE WAGON ON NEXUS:
SK in all scenarios looks sketchy.
IF MoI is scum (especially a PR) then that little grouping has more in it.
IF MoI is cult (assumation of recruiter) then I'd kill the whole lot of you - and it'd be a net gain.

There no hyperbole or words you can latch on to for drunken chicanery or tomfoolery.

[SpyreX]

Annnddd there's the Kastinator lighting up the thread.

I concur with most of what you said except for two things:

1.) Nexus is a town-patsy. Every bit of that on his side reads genuine but that special breed of genuine that wolves salivate over.

2.) Re: Thor. If MoI = scum maybe we talk. Maybe. If MoI = cult then its a different song and dance and hopefully we can hold hands and bask in the glory of nailing Thor to Yggdrasil together.

[SpyreX]

Whaaaa?

I'm "plotting" your lynch based on -whatever- he flips?

For seriously mad reals?

[SpyreX]

Those words I dont even know.

If he's cult you're dead.
If he's a A tier scum PR you're dead.
If he's a goon well then we'll have to see.
If he's town (something I've never brought up? because I dont think its done happenin') well then we'll have to see.

I haven't said a PEEP about split scum factions because, frankly, that's only happening if he's cult and you're scum. Him scum and you cult makes absolutely no sense to me barring super secret mechanics.

So, yea, exaggerating just a pinch from the moment of KiseX HYRDA HERE (when its not even a bit true) is pretty much the song and dance you be singin'

[SpyreX]

Thats the thing.

He's not.

He's saying "WOAH JUST NOT TODAY TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY"

Adamantly defending him would be a different discussion all together.

[SpyreX]

Between that AND that little teaparty wagon AND MoI being scum with his I'm not telling you right now to F off promise and all I want this to happen.

I salivate for this.

This Kast is a good Kast thus far. He's definitely on the right side of the eyeglaze diagonal. Although I do HATE his method of quoting but he's still cool for now.

[SpyreX]

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Kast and I were talking about situations where YOU WOULD BE TOWN MY GOD.

And what the hell kind of game of wack a mole is this? "Its too early D1" "Ohh he's on vacation" "Ohh he's posting but he's at l-2"

What in the hell kind of multi planet alignment do we need?

[SpyreX]

Benmage is town AT THIS JUNCTURE trust me on this.

Lynching MoI so early was craptastic. If you were genuinely that ready to lynch MoI at that point of the game, shame on you.

Hahaha

Unvote, Vote: SK

Dont lose sight of the goal AGM. Magua I go back and forth on BUT this, my god.

[SpyreX]

Absolute junk.

However, with a cult about to become active as much as I love dead lurkers I have a hard time swinging it that way.

Which is doubly concerning with the disparity in activity this game.

How can you be not insane when talking to me but go into crazy mode otherwise/

[SpyreX]

Lets try it this way:

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you think AGM is town?

[SpyreX]

Ok, so if you think AGM is a 7 (i.e. more likely than town than not) then why so much slapfighting?

Lets hold hands and move ahead to an awesomer world.

[SpyreX]

After MoI flipping town I'm entertaining it but GOD losing because of the great lurker hunt will piss me off more than other games that just ended.

[SpyreX]

maemuki just strikes me as actively bad as opposed to scummy, not sure how to read her, hascow voting empking (aka number 1 townie) is terrible too.

3 posts is actively bad and when I'm back we'll play a riveting game of "is this just here?"

Empking #1 town??

[SpyreX]

Espeonage is mae?

GOD there's some players I just keep forgetting even exist and thats not a good thing.

Speaking of forgetting:

There are several players that look scummy, but it may just be due to their playstyle (Empking and Spyrex, to name a couple).

Have you mentioned me... ever?

Even a pretend ever?

[SpyreX]

@ Spyrex: Did you actually read the quote? I think your playstyle is making you look scummy. Which is not a valid reason to think you're scum. I haven't found anything else that's voteworthy or directly suspicious. Ergo, I have not mentioned you (at least to my recollection). Capisce?

Ohhh hoss.

So, instead of me being scum for reasons I'm scummy for my

playstyle

?

I'll give you this. I'm pretty sure thats the first time I've ever, ever heard that in the history of my playing this game.

So kudos for that welcome to ropeville.

[SpyreX]

@ cow: Because the reason for a lot of my behavior in this game is due to the aforementioned external factors. Which, of course, I doubt anyone is going to believe. So it's really bloody hard to defend myself in that position. Which sucks. (AoE that all you want.)

And no, I didn't specifically say that during the wagon. I did protest the crap out of people forcing Magna to claim, and I had assumed people would come to their senses before pushing that wagon over the edge. I was clearly wrong.

I'm asking why town can't do that because I know I'm town, so therefore town can do everything people are claiming is scummy about me. It definitely seems like people haven't learned much from the Magna lynch, though, so whatever.

@ Bilbo: I'm voting the cow because he had a scummylicious reasoning for voting Empking, and I think he knows better than that to be playing stupid. Also, your ridiculous "smiley tell" earns you a
Unvote: hasdgfas
Vote: Bilbo Baggins, because I really cannot excuse that bull.

Sorry I didn't even respond to this before I was so flabbergasted by the other piece but I wanted to.

MoI-repeat fear mongering? Check.
Worlds best OMGUS (leaping from a quasi real reason to a total fabrication land one)? Check.
Ropes? NOT CHECK RED ALERT RED ALERT

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Benmage is town today. For reals. Mad reals. Readjust. This tree is not for barking.

[SpyreX]

So I had you right and its I'm scummy for my playstyle.

Well played.

And that disclaimer SURE needed to be there because its obvious I have word reading issues orrr wait:

I think your playstyle is making you look scummy
I think your playstyle is making you look scummy

Boombing doom doom.

[SpyreX]

Are you serious?

[SpyreX]

FFtth that'd be a waste of a cop you

[SpyreX]

Truer story:

If you dont know my stance on Benmage ESPECIALLY when I directly made reference before about it to you by name then I'm not going to pat you on the head and spell it out.

[SpyreX]

Of slashing

prices

throats on lurkers LL would be WAY up on the death list for sho'

[SpyreX]

Annnd we stall. Fancy that.

MoI's janitor business was some bizarre combination of ego and butterflies.

[SpyreX]

I'm seeing your dance moves and hearin your song yo.

I mean I dont think it is THAT easy that it'd be all of them but 1? Sure (see big wagon). 2? Damn well could be.

[SpyreX]

Anddd now I'm only thinking scumside not cultside.

Yea, 2 makes sense.

Although how in the hell do you balance cult / scum / town assuming no other shenanigans well? Less scum?

[SpyreX]

God I just confused myself.

[SpyreX]

Less pissy: If you think that scum were crowding off the MoI and SK wagons, and MoI flipped town, and now you think scum are crowding off the SK wagon, then why are you not considering SK-non-scum?

After all, if it was SK scum vs MoI town, you'd imagine that some of the scum would be pushing MoI.

How many scum do you think are in this game? Scum-scum not cult-scum or the sum of scums

[SpyreX]

Yes please because while I don't want to go into SUPREME DETAIL at this moment that claim makes absolutely no sense unless I'm missing something huge.

Super huge.

[SpyreX]

No fishy, fishy just lynchy-lynchy.

Again, if I have to delve into detail WHY this doesn't make any sense I will but unless someone wants to chime up with that making sense its pretty well done and rope'd.

[SpyreX]

DGB I don't want to go into detail NOW but I'm PRETTY SURE that that was a screwed up fakeclaim.

Which would push Espeonage up the charts some in OMG PANICK if I'm right.

I'll go into detail if I have to but

[SpyreX]

No no nothing that pendantic. Something MUCH deeper.

[SpyreX]

Lets just leave it at if someone doesn't come in and give some kind of confirmation of that that I can buy I'm calling BUSTED and a decent shot at a twoforone from Esp.

Mmmmm

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh man its a thing of beauty.

If I am dead and I know you all LOVE to do this and forget what I say tomorrow but LISTEN PLEASE LISTEN:

If SK flips scum of any fashion power bomb Espeonage. For me

[SpyreX]

Sigh lets be a bit more obvious:

I am NOT just using Page 1.

While not IRON CLAD I have more reasons than that to believe this is a teaparty.

[SpyreX]

God in heaven I call it out and then WHOOPS and then this.

I SWEAR YOU GUYS

I dont want to get into extreeemeee detail because it would be hilarious to catch more this way but if I have to push this giant fakeclaim to the death I will.

Smith =/= vig.

Souls is a key word for something else that ISNT ONE OF THE SEVEN.

[SpyreX]

I'm not going on a huge omg flavor tangent but the seven are prayed to for help in specific endeavors and, really, the only one that has any real reference to souls at all is the Father.

On the other hand, the grandiose battle between the R'hllor and The Other is a battle of souls. Of your standard fantasy good and evil.

I NAME THEE A RED PRIEST

TO THE GALLOWS

[SpyreX]

Actually, there are two that I could see as vigs flavor wise.

SHHHH dont spill any beans.

Hammer this

[SpyreX]

Fffffaaaa what do you want from me?

[SpyreX]

So the obvious fake claim is that she picked some sort of priest thing that doesn't make sense as a Vig fluffwise? My issue with her change partway through feels more meaty.

No, she screwed up her fakeclaim by claiming souls (which is not one of the seven and, in fact, would have a lot more to do with the cult but I GUESS could be scum depending) and then after getting called out went .

Additionally espeonage is faaairly likely to be related to this mess directly with his 180 wham bam.

[SpyreX]

Hahaha what?

"If SK is scum then the people trying to get scum lynched are under scrutiny?"

Yea scrutiny away woooo

[SpyreX]

Ffffffthhhh DGB WHY DO YOU ALWAYS BREAK MY HEART

[SpyreX]

Let's make a deal then. I will surrender SaintKerrigan's pulsating townie entrails today, and you mercilessly gut hascow scum tomorrow should I be eating dandelions from the roots. If I'm alive, we'll eat his liver together, dipped in light breading and fried in fresh creamery butter.

With the caveat that if I'm right and this is cult Espeonage becomes a delicious tart first dead or alive.

I could be down fo sho

[SpyreX]

@Spyrex

Clarify something for me - as far as I can tell your timeline goes something like this;

SpySpy: SK suxx0rs donkey reproductive organs, lynch it with fire!
Espeo: Naaaaah, is town.
SK: Pants on head claim of a thing that fluffwise doesn't exist!
SpySpy: SUper obvious slip of fail is super obvious...and fail!
Espeo: Yar, so fail and super obvious, lynch it with fire!
SpySpy: LOL u r scumm0rz 2!!!

I mean, if the SK slip is so crazy bad obvious...why is Espeo crazy bad obvious scum for spotting it too - thoughts?

Lets try this again without the snarf snarf:

Espeonage: SK's wagon stalled, thus town.
SK: Everyone says I'm scum /emo claim Townsperson (Embodiment of the Souls) N3-forward vig.
Me: Hahaha, barring hijinks (which no one up to this point has said anything about) this is absolutely bunk.
Espeonage:

Ohh now you're scum because you claimed with no point.

(No vote here)
SpyreX: Again, this is a botched fakeclaim.
SK: Throwaway vote
Espeonage: AtE! Vote!
DGB: AtE from town!
Espeonage: I checked my PM and it has a

word wrong.

(this, technically is true but missing the point)
Various People: Ohh I see it or I dont.
Espeonage: STOP discussing the fakeclaim! (note, he voted for AtE)
SpyreX: Welp, there we go.
*madness ensues until I have to very clearly explain more than I wanted to for SECRET REASONS*

So, what I think happened is after the claim was botched (and, regardless of whatever teaparty you want to call it WAS botched as per SK's ) Esp knew he had to go into distance mode BUT didn't know exactly what/how he was distancing from. Hence the "AtE" vote and the "omg don't discuss the fakeclaim"

[SpyreX]

Hey all those words you asked for. Opinions yes/no?

I've given up on a hammer happening any time soon god forbid

[SpyreX]

THAT is what the holdup was for?

Good gravy.

[SpyreX]

Sighhhhh that makes me twitchy.

Watching this wagon prep for dissolution makes me both sad and angry at the same time. Sangry, if you will.

[SpyreX]

You see that SK leap and you call out Benmage?

You guys are makin me real, real sad inside.

[SpyreX]

I will harness the power of the internet to cover you with tuna and throw you into a room full of kittens.

No. Again and for always today Benmage is town.

The person who was at L-1, botched their fakeclaim of "ohh, I'm a N3 vig I live today you wont lynch me tomorrow teehee" and AKSED TO BE HAMMERED slides that vote up there like it aint no thing.

Give me this you guys. If I'm wrong I'll sheep like a good sheep BUT NO I AM NOT RWROWRONGN

Agreed. But why are you all over this cult paranoia business? >_> First, it was the thing where Cult D1 lynch != GG. Now, I'm seeing your townreads go "they're town FOR TODAY".

Dude if I was cult Benmage would be well up there on that list to cult. Thats the for today there.

If MoI was cult it would have been GG is my guess.

If you are right about this, I love you, Spyrex.

Then love me the right way.

With a vote. Don't abandon this for cowlands now

[SpyreX]

Ohhh you said it was self preservation my bad

[SpyreX]

We just went over this.

In isolation sure they're the same thing.

In context good lord man.

[SpyreX]

Sorrry hindu I was tired.

"Souls", my guess, is part of the REAL claim, not the fake claim sheeseh.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex: You think SK is cult?

Based on what I know, faar more likely.

Assuming Test of Faith isn't a misnomer AND knowing the cult is R'hllor the scum is one of the other religious faction(s): the Great Other (others), the old gods (children of the forest), the drowned god (greyjoys) or He of Many Faces (faceless men) with an outside chance for some of the sillier sects (dothraki, Qohor, Lamb Men, Braavos).

It'll be easy enough to parse flavor side with a flip for scum (and wont matter).

The important bit is of ALL of them R'hllor is the most focused directly with souls (followed by the others).

[SpyreX]

Of my knowledge, no.

Mind you there's a tenuous connection there in general BUT, again, without going into obvious areas that need not be gone into right now I very, very firmly believe this to be a botched claim.

[SpyreX]

...

THAT made you turn around?

That's what I've been saying the WHOLE TIME godddddddd

[SpyreX]

Because like some (DGB) I assumed you GOT it and just thought I was full of madness.

[SpyreX]

I don't know. This game. It's running out of steam.

Yes it is.

Here's an amazing ONE TIME OFFER:

Tell me how I'm wrong about SK's slip. Give me a plausible scenario for the events laid out and we'll swing it this way.

Otherwise, jump on the wagon. IF I am wrong (I'm not) the other can happen.

Dealio?

[SpyreX]

Heeey funny thing how about ye of no vote today commit one way or the other.

[SpyreX]

It does seem to be higher than average.

Do I have to sing a song or write a poem or what to make this happen.

[SpyreX]

Siiighhh

How in the hell do you make that mistake?

[SpyreX]

Are you REALLY trying to paint SK as a paragon of town that just got ran up all willy nilly and THEN fed themselves the rope and asked to be lynched?

I will never get how souls=smith in bad word mixup land and I have an estate there.

[SpyreX]

I've had my share of mixups.

However, shifting a word to a different non-related word that really shouldn't exist in context there BUT makes sense contextually with the game? Hot damn. I will never get that.

I'm not trying to justify it its pretty clear that I both spearheaded and was damn sure about that lynch. It's a special game that gets me to say anything outloud and have my wife look at me like a madman.

However:

SK asked to be lynched after she messed up her claim.

This is patently false.

[SpyreX]

Pssst that's not what he's trying to say.

She also did it BEFORE the claim.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh man ohh man

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3125786 <-- 630

That stupid business started before the claim.

[SpyreX]

Considering you just took the stance and the time to go back and look and not actually look before the claim to see you were shootin moonbeams yea it got my ire up.

Calling that wagon bad and ignoring some of those key bits along the way is really some grandstanding that I'm not cool with.

But, its bedtime.

[SpyreX]

Choke on it.

[SpyreX]

Setael, seriously. When you going to start reading the game and commenting on what is important instead of pointing fingers ignoring most of the game and omgusing? You are still my top pick for CR. However you are scummy independently of that.

Vote: Setael

Explain both parts of this that need explaining.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX my fine fellow why are you not voting for someone to swing in the wind?

Because I'm regrouping after yesterdays fffff and, busyness aside, I'm trying to poke and see if anything shakes out.

I'm apparently waaay offbase thus far so perhaps a little more caution isn't a bad thing.

And, of course, I'm trying to get clouded by sheer Magua irritation and swing that way when I'm still on the fence.

If I was voting RIGHT NOW it'd probably be for Esp

[SpyreX]

Best missing not ever.

Yesss

[SpyreX]

@Spy - you still lol, obv. town on Benmage?

Well given the magnitude of posts today OF COURSE.

I want to see real content before I'd consider him actually being culted (because, lol all you want he was obvtown).

[SpyreX]

Time for a totally different direction:

Unvote, Vote: Locke

Just doing some light rereading of this game trying to recalibrate AND then checking against activity - this isn't an accident. Volume of posts aside the absence of anything going on here makes a lot more sense contextually with SK and MoI being town: some of us (me wooo) have been vocal enough that there's enough dust kicked up to hide in.

No more. Back to basics.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad town

Hey I'm trying here!

Actually your VCA really surprised me with what it shook out (minus me because it ALWAYS says me) sooo:

Is has gut that much stronger and more braver than what you came up with?

[SpyreX]

LL's got me more paranoid than a null is the thing - especially as a function of site activity.

[SpyreX]

WHY IN THE EVERLOVING BLEEP FOR BLEEP ARE DGB AND BENMAGE AND HINDURAGI SAYING I'M SCUM AND THEN VOTING FOR COW?

I mean, seriously. Reading this chorus of "lolMaguascumvote:hasdgfas" has got the hairs on the back of my neck up fierce.

DGB at least thinks hasdgfas is scum too, but Benmage's post is literally "I think Magua is more likely to be scum, vote: hasdgfas"

To be a parrot, what do you think this means.

[SpyreX]

Benmage, still town. Sky, still blue.

[SpyreX]

Do you think they're BOTH scum?

Am I crazy tres for really not liking LL?

[SpyreX]

Dont give me those dots young lady.

If I lose on LL and its one of those two Magua makes more sense (I admit again I'm lost on cow some).

[SpyreX]

Hold up.

Are you still holding onto DGB is scum because she makes sense?

Or was there some kind of SECRET REVELATION on DGB I missed?

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay new good blood.

Esp is bad. LL is bad.

This tight race of wagons is REALLY juicy though.

[SpyreX]

DGB with result? Hell yes

I'd recruit: Benmage, DGB, AGM

[SpyreX]

I didn't want to hammer if its that point while you're up to cheeky shenanigans.

MY three picks?

Magua, LL, Esp. Cow is mostly association of who's pushing him.

Unvote, Vote: Magua

[SpyreX]

What's to troll - you don't act that confident for lulz when you've been Daycopped. Magua is totally about to be called inno. unless...what, you think he's scum trying to trick Benmage into calling him scum before mod declares him scum? Yar, Magua votes can go somewhere more useful now, yes?

Deadline isn't exploding why move until the MYSTERIOUS RESULTS happen?

[SpyreX]

Hrmmm. Cult cop I could get but I've been wrong before yeeehaw.

More importantly:

Why wouldn't we?

99.9% certain that the "Embodiment of the X" roles are non-convertible, so there's diddly/squat cult can do to him.

Are scum going to NK a cult-cop? Not bloody likely.

Where in the hell are you getting this from?

[SpyreX]

Why would a cult cop be not NK'able?

Flavor.

Cult is R'hllor worshippers. Cult recruits by convincing someone who worships the Seven to worship R'hllor instead. Those who are strong in their faith in the Seven are not convertible. All of this is fact.

The assumption is that the Embodiments would be strong in their faith in the Seven.

With one dead and that not being mentioned this is a stretch.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhhhh

Well if the cult cop in fact turns up some actual cults then the scums would have to make them dead or give a killer backrub.

That first part was at DGB. The second was at you because that business strikes me as super odd.

[SpyreX]

It isn't BUT Father represents judgement so if anyone would be a cop, it would be him. And scum nk'ing the cult cop is laughable at best. They want to kill the cult too. Hell, cult cop could even be a mafia fakeclaim or actual role.

If cow is a cult cop this is the slimy words of a cult

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Cow

Looking at iso no way would a cult cop be tepid about SK getting run up as cult. Either after the vig claim you turn it around or you show some bite.

[SpyreX]

Hell, cult cop could even be a mafia fakeclaim or actual role.

The setup for him not being NK'd (which if we hit cult you know will happen) and, more importantly - why only mafia? Cult cop as cult going down makes a lot more sense.

[SpyreX]

I don't buy the claim.

Look at the numbers. We have four mafia if we think DGB's theory is correct. They are probably unrecruitable because it would be incredibly stupid to have a culted scum.
7 spirits if I understand correctly. They should be unrecruitable too. Imagine having the cult with a vig. Or a culted cult cop. Then we have the CR.

That just leaves 8 people that can be culted.

I think I'm flavorgaming a bit too much here, but does 11 unrecruitables sound reasonable?

Scum being unrecruitable makes sense balance wise (or wacky hijinks).

You hit the nail on the head about the other part. Can't recruit until N2 AND 11 unrecruitables?

Unless it was a cult group at the beginning, no way.

[SpyreX]

With this recent aggression and her earlier attacks on us for daring to discuss possible cult recruits (notice also how quickly she backed off) DGB is looking more and more like the recruit last night tbh. It would make sense for the cult to push a cult cop's mislynch, no?

I want this explained how you see this going down considering the events of the last two days.

I want delicious hammer death

[SpyreX]

I thought it was a hammer.

Then I was sad.

[SpyreX]

.... :O

Today is the best day.

[SpyreX]

Why Cyberset?

Unvote, vote: Hindubaadoo

[SpyreX]

DGB have more faith than that.

SHeesh

[SpyreX]

I didn't remember Bilbo being Mother so I thought it was legit

[SpyreX]

Not just cult but a recruiter?

Hot damn movin up in the world.

[SpyreX]

Woo a few minutes:

Vote: Spyrex

Scum must be borderline fucking retarded. How many of us said Spyrex might be the CR? 3? 4? Same cult-paranoia throughout the game and he's pushing a predetermined cult case on me. False as hell. I'd been pushing Cow long before he claimed. This looks bad considering he DID flip Cult Cop but to hell with that. If I get lynched, I get lynched. At least Spyrex will be NK'd from it.

Yes, how many. Cause I remember Magua saying it clearly and you tiptoeing up to the waters of it and not getting wet.

Expect real stuff but between you coming out guns blazing in techdefense (tm) mode and this NEW SHENANIGANS going on there's blood to be spilled.

Speaking of shenanigans I dont even know what to make of this mess. I had LB and Benmage town but this exchange feels waaay forced out of the gates.

Further in what would be the most hilarious of slips Ben's Faraday instead of LB vote bespeaks something truly tinfoil.

[SpyreX]

All the crumbs. All the flavor.

You came out crazy like a recruit and LO AND BEHOLD there's more shenanigans.

@Hindu:

Who is this mysterious "them". Is it you and Magua? Is that the them.

This will also be dealt with before there is a rope.

[SpyreX]

All the crumbs and all the flavor wasn't a hard request.

P-Editorama:

Really, thats your "I have a guilty on LB"?

[SpyreX]

All your results. Crumbs. Give them.

Because if you're going to go "I did this awesome role crumb" and then didn't crumb the useful part, well.

All your flavor. Give it.

Its not a hammer if I vote right? As AWESOME as it would be to end this day in nanoseconds and all.

[SpyreX]

I dont even want to try to explain how I got my wires that crossed.

Unvote, Vote: Ben

[SpyreX]

I've got a question after I ask a question and get the responses.

@Hindu:

You're dead set on me being CR, right?

[SpyreX]

So, here's the deal:

Assuming worst case probable scenario its 4:4:6 right now. I don't buy a single cult leader unable to recruit for a night. The other end is 4 mafia instead of 3 (I'm still not sure what the right balance is mafia against a cult with the early-game/late-game strength bits).

If cheesehead is town (or scumbots) AND the scum DONT NK a cult AND the recruit is successful tomorrow is looking at 5:4:5 or 5:3:6. These are not good positions especially with any players fleeing like rats from a sinking ship.

DGB for all the calls of being a bad kill was pretty obviously a cult-hunt kill. Scum see the writing on the wall: they, and our, best chance of winning is a dead cult.

Which is why I'm doing this now so nothing STUPID happens tonight and there should be gasps everywhere:

I'm the Embodiment of the Maiden.

My ONLY ability is being unrecruitable.

If I've got to parse out my super secret breadcrumb in post 1 I will.
My PM only mentions faith, nothing about souls, which is why I thought SK was full of it.
My flavor, while not detailed (and I'll paraphrase if I have to) is pretty clear unlike chuckles today. Which is why I wanted the flavor so much but ALAS NO.

Which is why I think ben is throwing the long ball.

So, my final question (OMG ROLEFISH):

LB, are you unrecruitable?

[SpyreX]

Wooooosh.

If thats the song and dance you're singing you're making this easy.

[SpyreX]

Dude too much, faaar faaaar too much.

I'll give a full recap with quotes and all when its later but:

Regarding Hindu:

Go ahead and ISO me for real day 1. You've chosen the best "bit" to grasp onto for dear life because going "LOOK THIS IS OPPOSITE" when a.) its not and my stance on the cult in this game has been absolutely clear and b.) when you asked D2 I answered it right then.

Regarding flavor:

Without going into paraphrasing madness my top flavor is almost a regurgitation of the unrecruitable flavor in the OP: my strong faith means I wont be swayed. Nothing about souls or that chicanery.

Benmage is scum. Which type I don't know and LB saw what I was asking about because it made the most sense. Honestly, however, if this was cult-on-cult love action I fully expected you to bite the worm I was dangling soooo.

[SpyreX]

The answer I gave then still holds true now. If I was right about MoI he would have been a CR which made Ben really appear CR - which meant GG because Cult + Mafia + Town = Town juiced OR weak Mafia.

Not ever, EVER, was it one cult CR and that was it.

If Ben is cult he's probably not the CR because I still hold until today ben was town.

[SpyreX]

I just really went back and looked deeper at the last few pages.

Have you all gone insane?

LB even if you're entertaining the idea of him being insane cop HE STILL IS THE LYNCH. You getting lynched and flipping town doesn't fix that. Him getting lynched and flipping insane cop hands two scum (which narrows the cult pool which is the important part) him getting lynched and flipping cult recruit hurts cult and while it doesn't give anything definitive about you HELPS a bit. Him flipping cult recruiter would be a sign of the apocalypse but would work.

And lets say he's a flat cop and LB is scum. LB needs to be lynched BUT NOT RIGHT NOW GOD IN HEAVEN. Growing threat > static threat.

[SpyreX]

Hindu and LB are super obvcult. Espeon is still stupidly scum but the cult's what's on everyone's mind right now so there's not much else to be said there. Still going to mention him wherever possible though, he must not be allowed to slip under the radar.

Vote: Lost Butterfly

Need to read Benmage's play today again but we're both really confident about those other two right now.

This is something truly awesome right here.

[SpyreX]

Interesting. I wasn't paying attention to who said I was cult except for Magua and Spyrex.

Buhh??

LB I'm looking and absolutely missing your list HELP ME

[SpyreX]

Keep in mind mechanically I'm expecting not a simple "cult leader" because of the delay and what have you. Maybe 2-CL's or an even/odd CL or something along those lines.

But, your list.

You're not CL. At MOST this would be a Ben / LB CR dance.
Ben -probably- isn't. There could be hijinks but yea wayy more likely a recruit than not.
Thor isn't. CR'd maybe. Scum maybe. Not CL.
Locke maybe? Seriously he needed to be dead like 3 days ago.
I'm not.

Cyberset has hoisted the scum flag for sure with that last post. Ben-cult Cyber-CR could make sense.
AGM read town. He's kinda lost his marbles today some which makes me worry about Cult.
Empking reads town?
Magua... god, I dont even know.

LMP started strong and then I dont remember much of. N2 recruit maybe?
Hindu, ohh hindu. That start of today smelled of sweating bullets about my post AND then getting to flounder when the song he was singing got busted. The issue I have is the only way that makes sense if he's scum is if he's scum-scum and not cult-scum. So there's some damage there.

Vezok's fullclaiming makes sense.
Espenoage, at this point, is scum one way or the other.

Is that everyone? It seems like there's not enough people.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh yea.

Nexus if more active I'd bet was town. As it is iffy. He's almost in the Esp/LL needs to be eliminated pool.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh yea.

Then Locke is scum. Either way before the end times he has to go.

[SpyreX]

Poor Borge

You'll get your party hat soon enough.

[SpyreX]

I'll have more in a bit but:

Really?

I could see fakecrumbing cop to draw an NK or what have you.
I could EVEN see faking a guilty to see what happens.

What I can't see is 4 days in a cult game faking a guilty on scum after the cult cop is lynched and pointing to the fake claim you made at game start.

NO.

This goes.

[SpyreX]

And good lord almighty asking for the other cop to claim now?

LB you know better than this. I could be down in a town-scum game that wasn't quickly becoming a landslide but here and now hell no.

[SpyreX]

@Benmage wagon - how many of you, yesterday (Day 3), had a town read on Benmage?

I sure did.

That doesn't change one whit about benmage, EVEN if this is a town move (its not) being a better decision.

[SpyreX]

Anyways, I

had

a town read on Benmage too. I think I said that already, though.

Had?

The unvote and ohhh benmage gambits gorsh sure sounds like a have.

[SpyreX]

...and that changes what I'm saying about that how?

[SpyreX]

Yes, I do.

Pretty clear about that.

[SpyreX]

Really?

I could see fakecrumbing cop to draw an NK or what have you.
I could EVEN see faking a guilty to see what happens.

What I can't see is 4 days in a cult game faking a guilty on scum after the cult cop is lynched and pointing to the fake claim you made at game start.

NO.

This goes.

[SpyreX]

This game is giving me a migraine.

Esp needs to die so that isn't bad.

That doesn't change one whit that Benmage is with almost pure raw gold certainty, scum - and this move makes more sense from cult-scum than scum-scum (the ONLY thing pointing to scum-scum would be trying to out the scum-cop).

So, dearest scum:

If Esp is NOT cult I absolutely implore you to shoot benmage in the face.

[SpyreX]

Orrr HAYYY you could shoot benmage if your business doesn't end the day and we can get to real party time.

Fancy that.

If not him after the Magua "SpyreX's been wrong about everryyything" when the only one I really would blame myself for being wrong about is cow but seriously.

[SpyreX]

Lets put a bullet through benmages head and see.

But it takes stones to jump out with this.

Because I'll admit I've been wrong but if you're going to hold SK as the waving flag showing your shining game welp.

And with no scum AND no cult dead jesus going "He's been wrong about everything" applies to every lynch this game.

[SpyreX]

...

Now I'm officially paranoid.

Why in the hell would you jump the gun THERE?

[SpyreX]

Would being a recruiter make you feel better?

OHH SNAP

Yea, you're up there on the cult list.

However, with THE VIG SHOT benmage is 103% the right call.

As much as I'd love to turn Magua into a fine powdery dust right now its still him.

[SpyreX]

Scum maaybe. CR more likely. Town? No. Hells to the no.

A CR there would make a lot of things make sense.

But I'm going to be outruled and I know it.

I mean jesus in what other worlds do you see "Ohh hay I fakeclaimed cop and breadcrumbed it JUST KIDDING" and watch that wagon dissolve like it was made from the tears of angels themselves?

Bah.

----

LB is right. At this point Vezok is waay more likely to be scum then cult.

You need to meat firey death though thanks for askin'

[SpyreX]

That version of gambit is not something you do at this point in the game. You don't prep for a gambit like that in a cult game. It just doesn't add up.

The only tinfoil part of it is that cult targeted LB and failed. We haven't seen anything aside from LB being scum which would make that happen makes the most -logical- sense to me but LB doesn't feel like scum.

So it could have simply been to take out a solid player and trade recruits. Something that works because Ben as a recruit means that we've still got to get to the head of the snake.

Which this shot helps with.

----

No, thats the weirdest part about this whole thing. Unless there was HUGE paranoia I wasn't even thinking of Ben going up the rope today.

[SpyreX]

Ok Esp.

I'll sing you a song or write you a love story or pretty much whatever you want if you take your shot RIGHT NOW on Benmage.

You'll be a hero. Your name will go down in the ages as the slayer of Tiamat.

You know you want this.

[SpyreX]

(And yes I'm joking about songs and stories)

You will get all the high fives though.

[SpyreX]

He had some heat yesterday BUT not enough for that.

I know its a stretch.

I also feel it to my core I'm right. Every bit.

----

I think everything is true about this claim except alignment. I think he's mafia with a daykill and if he hits cult with it, he gets another kill. Makes perfect sense for mafia to be incentivized to take out cult.

Also, I don't see town in his position offering to give away the kill like this. If he were town, he should have SOME scum read strong enough to take them out and take responsibility. There are surely so many cult and mafia alive to influence it that it's just ridiculous for a townie to give it away to the mob.

This could also be for killing, fyi.

----

If he's a recruit, why would he breadcrumb that so early?

Shits and giggles and a backup plan if he's culted? Or he's a CR and I was waay off on him to begin with.

Like I said I know in my bones I'm going to be outvoted on this.

----

Right. So, if Cyber or Esp flips mafia, I'm pretty sure this is a bus.

Yea but the chances of Esp being mafia with a daykill are slim. If anything *gasp* scum are unrecruitable (or WACKY HIJINKS). Unrecruitable AND dayvig? No way.

AND QUIT PEDITING ME

[SpyreX]

All I'm saying is that I want a brother killed.

If he flips scum I'd be surprised but thats something.
If he flips cult we're going to have a party today that will rock the core of the universe.
If he flips town I'm pretty sure Magua's smarm will strike me dead IRL but its a chance I'll take since I'm not seeing that at all.

[SpyreX]

AAANNDDD with that bedtime.

Just believe in the force. Look into the eyes of the Ur-Quan and let them guide you to truth.

FOR THIS IS THE PATH OF NOW AND FOREVER

[SpyreX]

Look at all the shock and awe at Ben wanting Vezok shot and even saying flat out its because he's mafia (which is probably the case).

Look at it and FEEL it all over.

[SpyreX]

I seriously don't care at this point you guys have sucked it out of me.

Thor isn't a terrible shot for recruit. No way is he recruiter.

Magua is a better shot.

Esp claiming unrecruitable actually bothers me but whatevs that shot if it happens is town.

[SpyreX]

Actually, I'll almost certainly guarantee ooba has given the scum some sort of access to an embodiment safeclaim, just because I think it'd be ridiculous not to as a mod.

When did Empking claim?

I want to see the Esp shot because unless I lost the embodiment lottery something is fishy.

And yes lethargic scum wooooooosh. Not ready for something to happen, no sir.

[SpyreX]

I just want a shot.

Cyber flipping cult would turn that dial way hot on Hindu. Recruiter after last page I'd hammer without second thought.
Magua flipping cult... AGM maybe?
AGM flipping recruiter would shock and awe me. Recruit maybe.

[SpyreX]

Actually yea shoot Cyber since I'm giving up on the crusade for now:

Hindu and LB are super obvcult. Espeon is still stupidly scum but the cult's what's on everyone's mind right now so there's not much else to be said there. Still going to mention him wherever possible though, he must not be allowed to slip under the radar.

Vote: Lost Butterfly

Need to read Benmage's play today again but we're both really confident about those other two right now.

Pretty sure I never called you anything more specific than cult if we're gonna quibble about types.

[SpyreX]

Again, I doubt all the Embodiments are unrec. Or else I'm vanilla, the power role.

[SpyreX]

While you drive me nuts with your holier than thou attitude this game I agree with a lot about that post, Magua.

The only paranoia is with 13 now and theoretically 4:4:5 and this could be the long ball for the win or at minimum my all but guaranteed loss (5:4:3).

Hindu's out of gate post though. Hmm.

---

God in heaven YES you out them. Although this should be good.

[SpyreX]

Was that actual WIFOM from thor? Not the abridged or stupid one but the actual princess bride style?

I cant think of the last time I've seen that in the wild.

As for the Ben's claim itself:

It'd take passing flavor knowledge or 3 seconds on google if it was a fakeclaim to know what's probably in the game with the flips we've had. Vanilla, Cult, Scum whatever that's not a hard deduction.

I want you Hindu to explain that first post you made today. In detail.

[SpyreX]

No, first post game today not today today

[SpyreX]

Smurf yea.

Unvote, Vote: Hindu

Answer my questions or die or both sall good

[SpyreX]

Because vezo is going to be scum and hindu is going to be cult and killing cult RIGHT NOW is far more important.

This is what you wouldn't let me shoot, fyi. THIS.

[SpyreX]

You think for a SECOND if I thought I could convince the scum any more than I've been able to convince anyone today of a shot I would have them shoot hindu?

Tomorrow is going to be telling. Realistically we need TWO cult dead so we can lynch vezo the absent and have a scum flip there.

[SpyreX]

Go go activity spurt.

I don't think Hinduragi is scum or cult. This whole notion that "AGM is CR because he's not hunting cult" is stupid. I have been looking for scum in general (mafia and cult) because they are BOTH threats to the town. It doesn't matter if we lynch the CR if 4 mafia are running around with a nightkill, and it doesn't matter if we kill all 4 mafia if we never lynch a single cult. Thus far, we have NEVER FUCKING LYNCHED A SINGLE CULT OR MAFIA. It doesn't matter which one we lynch at this point, we just need to lynch the person who is NOT TOWN.

vezok is the place where you are going to find that 100%. That is where the rope needs to go. Risking a town lynch to try and nail the CR is a waste of time. Let the mafia hunt cult -

the cult is a bigger threat to them than town right now anyway.

We can focus on generally just being right and not wrong.

This is bad. Real, real bad.

As CeS says: if the CR doesn't die this cycle, chances are the cult win. Period.

Further, considering chances are REAL HIGH that scum are unrecruitable cult is only a bigger threat to town once they've won: in a theoretical world where its just cult and scum left if cult don't have a majority scum win.

The only scenario where lynching "doesn't matter" at all is if its 3:3:7 (cult/scum/town) right now. With vezok pretty much claiming scum if its 4:4:5 or 4:3:6 we NEED to hit cult today. If its 3:4:6 (I'd be surprised) we need to hit scum.

And, again because this is important: in a large game when we are TOLD cult can't recruit until N2 AND we know there are multiple unrecruitables the chances of it being a 'standard' CR are minimal. Even/odd CR's or CR+recruit at start or other wacky shenanigans I'm missing. The only way this isn't 4 cult at this point is if cult got unlucky.

Watching AGM and benmage share this mantra now is a duh. ESPECIALLY the "omg don't want to lynch vezok" business. I'm not sure what I have to do to beat this benmage business through your heads but its officially driving me nuts:

EMPKING NICE TWIST.

OF COURSE SCUM EMBODIMENTS ARE EITHER SAFECLAIMS OR SCUM PRS.. DURRRR

FACT: THE EMBODIMENTS CANT BOTH ALL BE UNRECRUITABLE AND ALL TOWN.

FACT FACT FACT.

You NEVER got CC'd. There's two scenarios where that's not happening at this point: Crone is a safeclaim for cult (since I'd still be shocked and awed if you're scum) OR... Crone isn't in the game. If Crone was town OR a scum safeclaim you bet your ass it would have been CC'd there.

So, all of the embodiments isn't necessarily a truth. Yes, if all the embodiments are here they're not all town, duh.

(On that note unless I'm missing something key I don't get the Empking is Crone business).

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And, lets make this clear:

If its 4:4:5 today and scum AND cult don't want to bus.... its literally going to take at MINIMUM 2 of the other anti-town faction to get a lynch through. And thats if all 5 of the town are on the same page.

Otherwise, you're going to see a lot of lynches sputter out and die.

Kind of like what we've seen.

Which makes for some interesting business (assuming I'm right about nobus AND vezok being scum):

Esp, Benmage, Hindu & AGM are very, very likely to not be scum.

Add in the fact LB still is probably town that right there means if I'm right about the bussing there's absolutely a cult in there.

Add in the chances of CULT having a daykill being absolutely minimal and you're looking at: Ben, Hindu, AGM.

Now, *gasp* you damn well know who I think it should be but nooo.

Unvote, Vote: AGM

[SpyreX]

You know what?

If I'm wrong about this lynch and scum doesn't shoot cult go ahead and lynch me tomorrow because at that point I'm pretty sure I mathematically can't win.

That doesn't chance the fact that my ONLY shot realistically is lynching cult right now.

[SpyreX]

What logic am I dodging?

And this isn't apathy. I'm not about to see vezok, who is WAAAAAY more likely to be scum than cult, get lynched because at that point if scum misfire I lose, period. Even if they fire right I still probably lose.

However, doing this RIGHT and hitting a cult and then maybe having scum do the right thing (killing Benmage) we can get on track.

[SpyreX]

And when cult has a majority and I'm in that lovely list of can't be recruited and rats start abandoning the sinking ship?

Yea, I'm losing. Be it scum or cult I'm losing.

[SpyreX]

HRUF HURF

Assuming cult tonight being successful and assuming 4:4:5:

Scum lynch, town shot: 5:3:3
Scum lynch, cult shot: 4:3:4
Town lynch, town shot: 5:4:2
Town lynch, cult shot: 4:4:3
Cult lynch, cult shot: 3:4:4
Cult lynch, town shot: 4:4:3

5:4:2 is suuuch a loss I can't even begin.
5:3:3 is a loss.

So, that moves us into a cult absolutely having to go in this cycle.

Of the remainders 3:4:4 with a CR down is the best shot. Vezok lynch tomorrow puts it at 2:3:4 or 3:3:3. Those are not awesome but doable.

[SpyreX]

FUCK EMPKING.... you wanna talk worse case scenario.

Whhat happens when u lynch TOWN today????

That depends on what scum does.

Durrrrrrr

ill

kill nontown and point town to most likely cult leader.

But I aint chancing the lynch.

Ill chance the nk, but not the lynch.

What in the hell is this right here?

[SpyreX]

Wooo.

I'm hammering tomorrow.

If Vezok is scum, scum HAVE to shoot cult or cult win.
If Vezok is cult and scum shoot cult, we have to lynch scum tomorrow.
Vezok pretty much confirmed he's not town like we needed more help.

[SpyreX]

I was asking about that in long before times. A stronger scum makes town winning even worse.

[SpyreX]

God, let today end.

*gasp* Wait for ittt

Unvote, Vote: Vezokeisian

[SpyreX]

Magua's question makes me feel warmer and fuzzier about magua some.

Sure we can do this:

Lynches everywhere!

From here! To There!

Why?

U

naware!

With glee!

N

ow share!

Unvote, Vote: Lynchmepls

R

eally tired and couldn't think of more sing song.

The other part is sneeeakier.

"A bear there was,"
"A bear, A BEAR!
"All black and brown,"
"And covered with hair!

"Oh come they said,"
"Oh come to the fair!"
"The fair? said he,
"But I'm a bear!"
"All black and brown,"
"And covered in hair!"

I'm not a poet but I tried to rhyme like the SoIAF classic ditty: "The Bear and the Maiden Fair"

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Massclaim or not doesn't bug me much. My only paranoia lies in 'All PRs = unrecruitable'. Which doesn't make sense to me.

I also want benmage lynched TODAY god in heaven.

[SpyreX]

Make all the squiggly faces you want.

The goal was something to support what I was saying without a.) getting me killed AND b.) hopefully getting 'recruited' once.

[SpyreX]

So we need a CR today and not a cr or this is going to be borked:

2. Bogre - Not CR
3. Thor665 - Not CR
7. Lost Butterfly - If cult, probably culted last night.
9. Empking - If cult, CR.
10. Magua - Giant twirling butterflies.
11. Nexus - If cult, CR.
12. Cogito Ergo Sum - If cult, culted last night. Not CR.
15. SpyreX - Hero
16. Hinduragi - -probably- not CR. Definitely not culted last night which makes me think not cult (I'll explain).
17. Benmage - Cult. Probably not CR.
19. Espeonage - Not Cult.

Here's my guess for recruits in no way set in stone:
Benmage N2, AGM N3, (LB/CES/Dark Horse Canidate) N4.

[SpyreX]

I'm going to do a full VCA later but:

Benmage (5) - Empking, SpyreX, vezokpiraka, Lost Butterfly, Hinduragi
Lost Butterfly (5) - Benmage, Thor665, Nexus, AlmasterGM, CyberSet

Not Voting (4) - Locke Lamora, Magua, LynchMePls, Espeonage

This one holds the keys to the universe. I smell it.

[SpyreX]

NO lets not misconstrue here.

I want the head dead. If I don't feel comfortable on the head I want benmage dead and let god sort out the other side.

[SpyreX]

I.E. remember the garbage yesterday? Vezok was pretty much guaranteed mafia and got lynched.

Benmage is pretty much guaranteed cult. However, I want to hunt for bigger cult game first.

[SpyreX]

Are you unrecruitable? That'll shed light on more than a few things.

Watcher if real is up for grabs but I'd lean town.
Watcher if a fakeclaim makes far more sense for scum than cult.

[SpyreX]

Tell me what I'm missing here:

If Emp is cult AND faked those watches town OR a scum should sacrifice to out it - Emp, if cult, is a CR.
If Emp is scum I don't get why you wouldn't throw SOMEONE to the wolves. Why shoot 4 useless results?
If Emp is town then everything is as it sits and means LB wasn't converted which is good.

[SpyreX]

It might be ego BUT I still dont think I had the wool thrown over my eyes that hard on Ben. However, I also suck at finding cult.

There's no world where ben doesn't flip cult one way or another though.

[SpyreX]

I keep entirely forgetting Nexus is in the game and no one bringing him up COULD be something but its a reach.

[SpyreX]

Magua I swear I want to have a sit down with you over some nice tea and figure out how you can ping pong so much.

Because that post I like a lot a lot.

[SpyreX]

I'm spinning my wheels though because this is a game of tug of war and I dont like it.

We hit cult today AND cult tonight and its not the PR we're still playing in screwedville some because that means tomorrow HAS to be scum.

Unvote, Vote: Ben

I can't pick out someone that screams slam dunk CR.
However, Ben is cult every which way. Maybe I'm wrong about the CR part but I'm not wrong about that.

[SpyreX]

... Even in benmage logic, how did he become "mod confirmed"?

Because he voted for himself?

That FARADAY said was OMG AWESOME META YOU GUSYZ?

[SpyreX]

2613 is either beautifully crafted or about the most awesome not-culttell ever.

I'm actually leaning the latter which is pretty cool.

[SpyreX]

Dude I've always been one of your biggest supporters and at this point I seriously hope this is posturing.

Because if you flip town after this debacle I don't even know.

[SpyreX]

Supporters of the stupid stunts you pull. Being able to call them TOWN stunts when they are town stunts.

But, VT-fakecop-crumbcop-doublepluscc-self voting = town.

No.

Lets put it this way. This is OMG SPYREX META POST because I'm angry:

Every game you vote yourself from this point on I'm in you will be lynched that day. Period. It could be in lylo and it doesn't matter.

When someone asks to be lynched, you lynch them.

[SpyreX]

Fine.

Because if you're OMG TOWN with this junk I'm pretty much the only one that's guaranteed to lose. Thanks for that.

[SpyreX]

I guess chuckeface the nonentity jr has also claimed slam bam loss but we'll see.

[SpyreX]

I'd love stuff to happen like Empking answering that question and massclaim never even started.

Not surprised you missed that though.

[SpyreX]

Wait it was THAT game?

So on top of meta being stupid and even if this IS true it being stupid you used a game where I came out defending you D2 as a game proving these are the same?

Of course you couldn't have said it better:

Scummy play = lynched.. Role wont save you. Period.

[SpyreX]

I'm off the radar this game?

[SpyreX]

That unvote may have made me lose faith in all of humanity.

[SpyreX]

@SpyreX, @Empking: Do you think scum/cult have Embodiment safeclaims?

I'm bouncing this around still and a lot of it has to do with none of the others (sans Esp) claiming unrecruitable. If Esp didn't have a dayvig I'd be sold but giving that to scum is hard to bite and giving to cult is a welp might as well just kill myself.

Has Empking even answered this question yet though?

[SpyreX]

I do sometimes. Usually when its a role that I think is going to NEED some pre-reference.

Like unrecruitable in a cult game.

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As for the whole deal:

If a Stranger claims AND is unrecrutable I believe that part of it. However, that guarantees scum/cult Embodiment fakeclaims.

If there is no Stranger one of the two is a fakeclaim (Emp way more likely). Making 5 town PR's which makes sense I think. 6 doesn't have the right fluidity.

If there is a Stranger AND he's not unrecruitable it depends on Emp. I want Emp to claim his BEFORE that happens.

Personal bet: One of Esp/Emp is scum and the Stranger is the cult given one. This is more because Esp/Emp if cult are CR versus a much more spread on scum.

[SpyreX]

My dealio with hind is he DID put in a lot of effort when he was up on the stakes.

However, it was Benmage who started flailing about instantly about how town town mctown that is.

[SpyreX]

That's very true. Hind CR - Benmage recruit COULD make sense. It would explain the start of day quickfire at me too some.

However, why the hell would he be tooth and nail about me being cult like that? Cult fakehunting cult instead of realhunting scum?