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Real reads will come once AGM and I have time to sit down and co-ordinate.
Believe it or not, this is not Edge 2.0. We've agreed we're actually going to come to consensus on posts and reads before we post them in the thread.
So don't be expecting quadruple posts and ISO that goes on for miles.
As for our vote, we're debating between the hydra that won't reveal itself and the six-lolly-head hydra.
Given AGM's absence and Reck's offer of fellatio (italian pasta right?), I'm going with:
VOTE: Unicorn RainbowTeam-
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I do approve of the Dana wagon, and was not aware we were getting into serious mode. FES makes the strongest case for Dana, IMO ("^scum")
Last post AGM made in the hydra QT was asking me if I cared about the hydra that didn't reveal itself, so we still haven't had a chance to discuss reads or place a real vote down.-
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Discuss? I've got a better idea: GTFO. Your whole rant in #131 is all about how you are SOOoOooo certain of our metas. First, you have played in a grand total of ZERO games where I was scum and I have only been mafia 2-3 times on this site ever, so you don't know anything about my meta. Moreover, if you actually DID know it, you would know that your analysis is ENTIRELY WRONG, since there was a game where I did nothing but bus even though I didn't need to.Greymarble wrote:Great, we've got 26 or more players and there's turbolurking.
Vote:Final Destination
They're scum.
Discuss.
And I'm just going to go ahead and say on Fate's behalf that you probably don't know anything about his meta EITHER.
So to answer your GRAND QUESTION of why we haven't posted much, it's because we wanted to take a break from just RAGING RANDOMLY and actually think things over logically in our QT before posting. And I happened to be busy this week, which meant less QTing and thus less posting. And given that the mod was like, "hey guys, this is going to be a nice, leisurely game," we thought that would be just swell.
BUT NOOOOOOoooooo, nobody wants that. You just want the AGM+FATE SHOW, WITH HEAD DISSONANCE, DEBATING, YELLING, AND LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS EVERYYYWHEHEEEER. AND THE DEBATE CIRCUIT SEASON IS IN FULL SWING, SO BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY: IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE, I CAN FUCKING DELIVER .
The UNICORN BRETHREN vote is especially AWFUL because it references a post that is completely false, something UB should know given that some of their 103950239021 heads have more experience with us.
Unvote. Vote: Unicorn Brethren
Oh yeah, and you also have way too many heads. Die.
MAYBE FATE WILL COME BACK LATER AND REVERSE THIS VOTE. I WOULDN'T kNOW BECAUSE APPARENTLY PEOPLE LIKE IT WHEN WE JUST POOOSOSSOSOPOSOSOSPOST.-
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I am in agreement with AGM's mocking of GreyICE's "meta tells" because its a very weak meta to go off of, and two, the game just started and AGM has been pretty busy.
AGM has said "looks like they want a show, lets give it to them and play like normal RAGERAGE" but I disagree. I, as GummyBear has pointed out, am interested in playing this game as a TEAM, not just two players for the price of one-double posting.
I figure AGM's last line is permission to change our vote, and I will do so. Yes UB is referencing a false meta, but I got town vibes off his earlier ability to read us (aka realizing we hadn't read the thread yet and were just laying out good RVS-worthy votes.)
I think Ether is particularly suspicious the way she got on our wagon, citing "thinking 6 heads is a good fallback lynch" as her reason. When did we say that? I think it is pretty clear that the 6-headed PL was just that, a PL to gain information during the RVS stage. I never said "if all else fails...just lynch UB."
That and with us leaning town on GummyBear out of the Ether/Gummy spat, and:
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We'll be vindicated post-flips.
AGM and I are on AIM right now, and we are really disgusted by the level of play on our wagon right now. Activity tells+Bullshit meta from a new player, and now apparently finding Ether suspicious for her cool vote hop from Gummy onto us with a "they can both be scum!" caveat thrown in there has activated the "scumchatposse defense"
We've decided its hard to use all caps with a hydra-joint post, but we've agreed on this line:
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This is the reason you were citing, as far as I could tell.Pathetric wrote:In answer to that last question: I am keeping an eye on Fate. As I've said, I'm weary of anyone who thinks a six-headed hydra is a good fallback lynch.
But there's a very, very obvious difference between their play and yours.
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[AGM]Post 159 by Fate using the wrong account wrote:Fate tag. I'm at work ill be reading along. AGM can elaborate on our Gummytown read, but as I said we found Gummy more town out of that excjange and your vote on her (for not wanting to pst without agreement) particularly weak.
Two weak back to back votes earned you ours.
What do you want us to elaborate on exactly? GummyBear has a perfect grasp on what is most likely to be happening (we are conferencing) and, indeed, what is actually happening (we are conferencing). You proceeding to call us both scum for complete bullshit reasons make us think you are scum and she is town.Pathetric wrote:Temporaryunvote, then.
So I'm assuming from your whining about the votes on you and then disappearing that you aren't going to talk about GummyBear.
-Ether
The fact that you want us to elaborate on this very basic read while your vote on us is based on even simpler and less justified magnifies how precarious your vote on us was.Last edited by TheButtonmen on Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:21 pm, edited 2 times in total.-
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I PM'd AGM to get back on, but we'll probably get on this Dana wagon soon. Popping up in the midst of the Fate wagon, not commenting on it, and having nothing to say but "omg look at how UB voted us! How is that not scummier than what WE'VE done?" that's such a scum-mindset I just can't even.. of course he doesnt VOTE UB BACK, because he doesn't want to be seen as OMGUS. Huge scum mindset here and I'm just waiting on AGM to agree so we can move to that wagon.
YosFlavouredCayke wrote:1. Final Destination's vauge support for the Dana wagon, which they were unwilling to back up with a vote, seemed scummy. Their "I didn't know the game was serious yet" defense was also somewhat scummy.
2. The OMGUS "WELL FINE WE'LL POST IN ALL CAPS VOTE UNICORN" response by Almaster was worse. The meta argument may or may not be strong, but it was certanly a good enough reason for a early day 1 vote.
3. The OMGUS vote by Fate on Ether/Patrick here is even worse then that. Ether is clearly obvtown here, that should be obvious to anyone reading the thread.
1. We hadn't read the game yet, we weren't active. This falls under the "lol activity" tells I mentioned before.
2. Yeah, like I said I disagree with AGM trying to appease there. He was very likely frustrated that such a quick and bullshit wagon formed on us with such weak reasons, that he wasn't able to see clearly that it was a valid wagon for information for early D1.
3. Obvtown? How? You'll need to elaborate on that. It was OMGUS, and the I knew I'd be placing a counter-vote after being PLACED AT L-1 so early. I'll eat my hat if there isn't scum on my wagon, and from where I stand Ether's hop is clearly the worse, since I don't see town making a hop off their scumread Gummy so early, with a "sure they're both scum" justification. WHy was she so eager to get this wagon building on us? It didn't look to be for information, the way it was justified, it looked to be a "ok I'll mislynch Fate but tomorrow I want my gummy mislynch too" sort of vote. I'd say we should be obvtown and it should be clear to anyone reading the thread, but things are never that simple are they?-
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Anyway, my stance on Ether/Gummy:
Ether is misrepresenting Gummy's play as scummy. She's saying that "ohh SINGER DOESNT WANT TO GIVE SCUMREADS SHE SCUM"
Couple problems:
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I basically said the same thing here, but she didn't call me out on it with a "WHY CANT YOU SAY UR READS WITHOUT CONFERRING" I think this is because she knows Singer woudl be much easier to push a mislynch on.Final Destination wrote:I do approve of the Dana wagon, and was not aware we were getting into serious mode. FES makes the strongest case for Dana, IMO ("^scum")
Last post AGM made in the hydra QT was asking me if I cared about the hydra that didn't reveal itself, so we still haven't had a chance to discuss reads or place a real vote down.
2. She's attacking singer for hydra playstyle difference. Singer not wanting to post content without first agreeing with quadz is NOT SCUMMY, but Ether is trying to paint it as much as you can see here:
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-EtherGummy wrote:I'm afraid you'll catch me if I don't rehearse all of my stances first.
here:Pathetric wrote:Post 113, GummyBear wrote:If I think one half of the player list is scum and my other half thinks the other half of the player list is scum, then we don't really get anywhere. If we have a chance to discuss what we think about the players, we can form more accurate opinions collectively from there.Post 118, GummyBear wrote:Fyi, discussion is almost never stupid as long as it's game/mafia related. If we hadn't had that discussion, I never would have known why it mattered to you that I was concerned with conferring before we posted specific thoughts on specific players. It's pro-town to talk. To think otherwise is batting for the other team.vote: GummyBear
-EtherPathetric wrote:
-EtherGummy wrote:I'm afraid you'll catch me if I don't rehearse all of my stances first.
She's trying to make it out as if Gummy was contradicting herself by saying she wanted more discussion, but didn't want to state reads until quadz had agreed. Its not a contradiction. Singer wants more discussion,but she's not willing to break her hydra playstyle to achieve that.Not scummy at all.
That's how my Ether/Gummy reads developed, that coupled with this hop:
Oh this isn't the hop, but I missed it on a re-read. If she realizes she voted them over only a theory disagreement...why does she keep the read in her pocket here?:Pathetric wrote:For what it's worth, it's not like I just voted them over a theory disagreement.
Fate could be scum. (shrug)
-Ether
Pathetric wrote:Yeah, okay.unvote; vote: Final Destination
If it makes you feel better, Unicorns is probably town anyway.
I'm still reserving the right to flip back to GummyBear. They can both be scum.
-Ether
Either way, I don't like this hop for reasons I mentioned before, but the fact that Ether called herself out on voting Gummy for only theory reasons weakens our Ether-read.
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Seriously though, this post is just dripping scum. For reasons I mentioned two posts ago, but to elaborate more its just calling Reaper scummy without voting him.DaSpotthatkillsu wrote: Look at this. Without any more post from us, without any discussion by others on our actions, without any real explanation, they suddenly jump off their big wagon and start voting for us again. It's almost like they think it's funny. And then they tell us to make the day short, when some people have barely posted. How is this not scummier than anything this account has done?
"Its almost like they think its funny" implies knowledge that UNICORN is TOWN, why would scum do that switch? IF she thought UB was scum, what does that make his switch mean? What does say about our, Final's, alignment and his derailing of our wagon?
Yet dana provides none of that content. She says UB is doing it "for teh lulz" as in, Dana is FRUSTRATED by UB no longer pushing our mislynch and again hops onto our lynch.
This line as well:
"Without any more post from us..." so because dana didn't post that means UB's scum read should've been weakened? Altered?
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Yes it is townish to hope back onto someone that has been scummier, and they suspected earlier.DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:That's stupid, FD. There's nothing scummy about asking why something isn't scummier than what we've done. Your case on us always seems to come down to something ridiculous like "poor reasoning", which isn't a scumtell. Now they votehop like mad with no further info, and you say it's actually townish.
Ok, who's the scummiest? Full case whenever, reads now. Way too much lee-way in this post.Yes, I called the UB scummier than us without voting them. That's because I don't find them to be the scummiEST. More on that another day, when I can give you a full case.
Both AGM and I O_O'd at this post. If you assume UB is scum, which is what your reads supposedly ARE, then why don't you STILL have no read on us? Or any comment on our wagon? Or anything at all? You even go onto say:Don't understand why saying that UB almost thinks it's funny implies they're town. Assuming UB is scum, their derailment of your wagon would make you scummier, imo, but what's your point?
Well do you want us lynched or not? I can't tell from your posts where you stand on anything, other than calling people suspecting you "dumb" and being in complete defensive mode. Hell, you don't even have a VOTE DOWN.It's dumb to say that I must have been frustrated with UB for unvoting you. I wasn't voting you in the first place, nor did I even call you scummy, so why would I want you lynched?
...? This makes no sense. His vote on you before WAS merited, so why are you trying to imply that it has LESS merit when he re-voted you? He didn't give a reason why he thought we were more townish, but at least he took that stance and SAID we were, aka "Final is more townish, back to Dana." His train of thought is very clear and very townie.The fact that we didn't post any more should mean the UB's read on us DIDN'T change, and therefore should not merit a vote any more than before. And they gave no reason why you merited a vote any LESS than before. You see how that works?
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, where everything I say is somehow scummy or invalid, and everyone agrees on that but doesn't know why.
Yours is very vague and very scummy.
I know exactly why everything you say is scummy and invalid, its because YOU'RE SCUM. We've shown as much from your posts.
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And just going by the tone of dana's posts, her mindset is pretty clear.
"UB does XXX and you call it town. WTF WHY?" Anger seeps through that he's being lynched, and UB is being found as town.
"Me having poor reasoning is NOT a scumtell" Thinks he's being caught on invalid tells... Tell me how its a fucking towntell? Tell me what you've done at all this game for town?
"If UB was scum, then you look scummy by association" Scumhunting by false links, a classic for scum. Add the caveat that he makes no clear STANCE on our wagon or alignment still, and you got a SCUMcake here. Not a Yoscayke.
AGM and I have summed up your play thusly: You are scum whining about being caught, there's no smugness in your posts, and the closest you come to scumhunting is a "once I can make a case on someone I'll get back to you and have found DEM SCUMZ!!", you're nervous as hell this game.
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Wait, what? This implies you think they are not scum. But then you just said this:DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:The main reason why we haven't voted UB yet is that I keep telling my other head that UB have six heads DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE THEM SCUM.
Which implies that you find them scummy (if not the scummIEST).DaSpotthatkillsu wrote: Yes, I called the UB scummier than us without voting them. That's because I don't find them to be the scummiEST.
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Unvote:
Vote: FES
We've come to the agreement that Dana's STILL lack of reads is pretty scummy, but when all is said and done it might just be a lack of co-ordination in their QT. Which is almost exactly parallel to the situation AGM and I had the first few days. We'll be awaiting this promised reads and content finally, and have a keen eye still on Dana, but the FES wagon is where its at.
He, on the other hand, has no excuse for his minimal contribution to this game. He seems quite content to sit on our burned out wagon, citing the worst of worst reasons:
Things wrong with this are as follows:We are in favour of edited VCs.
@Greymarble, easy. Fate is very aggressive and active as town. Final Destination has not been aggressive or especially active. There's ample scum motive since his town style is hard to emulate and furthermore, we've seen him try to clean up his act in Wait your turn, Tex and the difference wasn't nearly as big there. So yep, that's a good meta-based argument.
1. Besides using meta as the entirety of his case being extremely weak,
2. FES uses SOLELY FATE'S meta in his post. What kind of logical fallacy is this? That since Fate is part of the hydra, if it is not posting like Fate's "town style" it is scum. Seriously, AGM's name isn't even MENTIONED in this post.
3. Using other game examples of me "trying something new" to imply that unless I fail miserably at cleaning up my act I'm scum... as if it were impossible for me to improve. I'll admit I didn't give Tex's game HALF as much effort at this one D1, since I basically treated it like a marathon/mechanic based game and didn't take it seriously at all. This game isn't an attempt to "clean up my act" btw, as I said earlier its an attempt to apply my hydra philosophy (that both heads shoul dagree on everything before posting) to a HYDRA BASED game. This results in more thought out posts, less caps (hard to CAPS when co-writing something), and... yeah.
4. AGM wants to list a fuckton of my games where I emulate my town style, which is apparently "difficult," as scum. If you're going to use meta to sit on a wagon, at leastget it fucking right.
We didn't like FES' position on our wagon, which scum definitely got a taste of. With Yosarian swearing on his life and FES encouraging his reads that Ether is town, we're forced to narrow it down to it being FES. This is the wagon today.
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1) The "silent" argument is completely false - we have produced more content than more than half the playerlist combined. Untrod Stranger, Reckamonic, Balam, BeaverWesel, and Mrs. Flay … go read those people and get back to us on the "silent" issue.gummy wrote:Quick note about FES's meta on Fate: I've seen Fate very aggressive as scum, too. Though I agree with it being odd that he and AGM are so silent this game. AGM tends to sheep Fate, so I don't see why he would feel the need to pull back (unless he's learned from his mistakes with his Edge hydra
2) Your reference for AGM sheeping Fate is like what, one game? Terrible meta tell.
3) We have already stated that we are taking a unilateral approach to this game. We discuss and agree on all posts before we make them. This necessarily leads to less posting because we have to both be on at the same time to talk before we can make a post.
4) You are refuting yourself. Obviously Edge was completely out of control, so it would logically make sense that Fate would try something different this time.
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1) The "silent" argument is completely false - we have produced more content than more than half the playerlist combined. Untrod Stranger, Reckamonic, Balam, BeaverWesel, and Mrs. Flay … go read those people and get back to us on the "silent" issue.gummy wrote:Quick note about FES's meta on Fate: I've seen Fate very aggressive as scum, too. Though I agree with it being odd that he and AGM are so silent this game. AGM tends to sheep Fate, so I don't see why he would feel the need to pull back (unless he's learned from his mistakes with his Edge hydra
2) Your reference for AGM sheeping Fate is like what, one game? Terrible meta tell.
3) We have already stated that we are taking a unilateral approach to this game. We discuss and agree on all posts before we make them. This necessarily leads to less posting because we have to both be on at the same time to talk before we can make a post.
4) You are refuting yourself. Obviously Edge was completely out of control, so it would logically make sense that Fate would try something different this time.
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I've been WAITING eagerly for what Yos would say after AGM finally got together and produced content:
Nothing. Not a single comment on our views of the game, our elaboration of our reads (and if Ether is that easily read as town, well I'll be having fun at Goofbash for one), and basically the extreme info dump on this thread we produced.
My read? YosCayke can't attack it. He finds no flaws that he can elaborate on and push anymore, since his latest reasoning "lolufind etherscum? u are soooo scum" has grown outdated and irrelevant. That hydras newest focus, first Cayke on FES: saying his jump was lazy but not scummy, offering NO INSIGHT why her vote was still on me, and then Yos-who I was in particularly waiting for since he posted extensively elsewhere before coming here, all of which give us really bad vibes.
Then when he does post, what is it? Him not "seeing" UStranger's case on FES? For all his "not seeing" he sure does a lot of "not showing" where is own reads stand. As far as I can tell, he he has Ether as obvtown and us as obvscum, but has dodges responding to any of our posts, which would further the case on us which has become so unpopular.
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Also, I find his lack of "Why is FD town?" remark in response to Ether's latest reads (one would think if they were BOTH town they'd be more willing to form a bloc. Speaking of said reads, even Ether is hesitant to give a Yos a town slot, his play is just that off) particularly scummy.
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Let's start with this post and how horrible the reads are.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:Ok. I realized I didn't actually have a read on half the people in the game, so I went through and ISO's everyone I didn't have a solid read on (which was like 6 people, mostly because there are so many damn lurkers in this game). So, here's my analysis of everyone in the game at the moment. (Standard disclaimer, this is based on just the first 10 pages of day 1, expect reads and opinions to change wildly in the future based on new information, hunches, wild mood swings, and whatever I eat for breakfast, ect ect.)
Frogito Ergo Sum-Leaning town. Bandwagony tendencies are what I’d expect from CES. Most of the posts so far feel more like CES then like Shanba, based on my rough meta of the two of them; if I’m right about that, I’d like to hear some more from Shanba.
Pathetric-100% superdupertriplelooper obvtown
Gummybear-Eh. Less scummy when read in ISO then I was thinking off the top of my head. Thing with Ether is probably just a theory disagreement, and is consistant with earlier comments about UB and such. Null. I really do want to hear a read from them, though; they’ve said nothing about who they find suspicious or who the find town-ish at all. They promised they’d do so soon, and I hope to hear from them about it.
Final Destination-scummy.
Balam-Don’t really have a problem with the vote on DaSpotthatkillsu, although I am wondering why, exactally; only thing he said was that thing about sigs, and that’s not exacatlly a scumtell. He hasn’t done anything since. Borderline lurker; just responded to a prod; expect to hear from them soon.
Mrs. Flay-Severe lurker. Has yet to make a useful post this game. Needs to post or die. Guys, I know there’s 4 of you, and odds are Flameaxe has probably already flaked, so I’m not surprised you’re having trouble coming to a consensus, but that’s ok; if any of you has any opinion on anything, just post it and we’ll move on from there, or just post both sides of a disagreement you have, or something. You guys need to get some thoughts down into the thread.
Reckamonic-I don’t really get the attack on Unicorn. I guess it was a joke vote, ish, but he’s kept it on all game, possibly because they've been lurking since rvs. Needs to get in here and post.
Greymarble- Leaning town. I like the reasoning on Final Destination, and his reluctant conclusion that UB is probably town in his ISO post 10 and 12 feels really town to me.
Untrod Stranger- Could be tunneling town at this point. I don’t get why he’s so uber-committed to getting frog lynched that he’s willing to overcommit so heavily to the wagon and willing to mow down everyone who’s even remotely in his way, pretty much without any regard to facts or reason, and it’s especially odd considering that his case on frog really isn’t strong. Still, town tunnel like that so often I can’t really call it a scumtell.
BeaverWeasel-Has been mostly useless. Has been voting Pathetic all game and I have no idea why. Has also been lurking. If there’s one lurkerscum in this game, it might be this guy.
Unicorn Brethren- I think they’re probably town. A bunch of different people posting from this account, but they all give good vibes, they all make sense to me, in different ways.
DaSpotthatkillsu- Borderline scummy.
Summery:
Town: Ether.
Leaning town: Greymarble, frog, unicorn.
Null-ish: Gummybear, US.
Lurking: Mrs Flay, Balam, Reck.
Lurkerscum: Balam.
Borderline Scummy: DaSpot
Scummy: Final Destiation.
-Yos
First of all, is this REALLY what you say about your TOP scumread (where vote is at)?:
"Scummy." But never a WHY, or never an EXPLANATION. Basically, Yos has been unable to find anything scum-motivated about our posts after AGM's rage post, and his lil chain-saw defense of ether, and has just blanket-all called them "scummy" and "nothing in there to make me think you're town." Really? HE EVEN GOES SO FAR TO SAY:Final Destination-scummy.
Is he scumhunting here, (town-motivated) or DEFENDING himself? (scum motivated). "Tell me what you want me to respond to and I'll post it." That's a reactionary playstyle, that's scummy as fuck. He doesn't go out and TRY to find the scum motivation in our posts, he even goes so far as to say "your suspicion of DaSpot is reasonable" instead of finding some fault with it.YosFlavouredCayke wrote: If you have anything specific you want me to respond to, I'll be glad to do so.
And if he doesn't find fault, aka maybe we're town, why doesn't he adjust his READ? This lack of read adjustment comes up later, when he confers with Ether on her read of us:
TO WHICH ETHER SAYS "AGM's reaction was townish, given Greymarble admitting the meta was false."I'm not really clear why Ether has decided FD is town now. If she wants to explain, that's cool; otherwise, like I just said to Cayke, let Ether wander off and be a loose cannon pointed in one direction, we'll wander off and be a loose cannon pointed in the other direction, and the scum's got to start falling out of the trees one way or the other.
TO WHICH YOS SAYS:
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Nothing. His next post, #260, does NOTHING to further debate our alignment with Ether. If Ether is OBVTOWN101, why is he dodging her read of us as Town? Why is he not debating her and trying to point out why he thinks we are scum to her, and why AGM's reaction was more scum than town?
He's fine to have all the BENEFITS of defending town, but none of the ACTUAL responsibilities that come with it:
Aka forming a bloc, discussing reads, etc.
BECAUSE HE HAS A FUCKING SCUMMY AGENDA TO ATTEND TO, SO HE CANT LEASH HIMSELF TO ETHER.
ALSO:
There's also this post, which is no better than FLUFFLOLTHEORY talking, convienetly a theory that DEFENDS HIS ACTIONS as town. Is having a townread or defending a town read a scumtell? No."Buddying" is a terrible scumtell. If someone is obviously town, and there's multiple people voting for them, I'm sure as hell going to say so. Giving reads on people who are town is a good idea anyway. In any case, pro-town people should work together, and when multiple pro-town people figure out each other's alignment and form a pro-town voting block, it makes it much harder for scum to win.
I don't know who ever came up with the idea "hey, whenever person A says person B is town it's scummy", but they were wrong. The whole taboo on defending someone or saying when you think they're town is just bad mafia theory.
-YosBut when it makes up literally more than half of YosCayke's ISO, the intent is more clearly buddying that defending Ether. Ether was under no pressure at the time YosCayke makes such elaborate defenses of her.Why? Because scum are starved at faking content. They have to post SOMETHING, and if its bull-shit it won't fly. So Yos posts what he CAN POST, an explanation of Ether-town's motives for her actions.
1. He's intimate with Ether, so this is easy content for him to post
2. It lures Ether into a false sense of security, having a nice white knight at her side at all times.
ALSO:
Ether asks Yos if she will vote him "when she votes real scum"
Yos doesn't respond to this. Is he unwilling to proxy his vote to town, but MORETHAN CONTENT to call her obvtown up and down the streets?
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Most of YosCayke's can be summed up thusly:
1. Defending himself and his positions rather than scumhunting
2. Defending Ether extensively when she does not need it.
3. Chainsawing Ether, but not adjusting his reads in light of new content from his "top suspect" nor elaborating on why his read remains "scum"
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Why we think FES might be town:
He's stubbornly on our wagon, plus the fact that both Yos and FES remain on our wagon leads us to believe they are not scum together. Yosarian's "defense" (a running theme in his scumagenda) of FES makes us believe he is trying to white knight more wagonned townies to have in his pocket.
Aka: We've come to the conclusion that if only one of FES/YOS is scum, its Yos, and that MAYBE just MAYBE FES is town that actually is bullheaded and stupid enough to think we're scum for shitty reasons, but at least he BELIEVES IT and is willing to ARGUE IT. Whereas Yos dodged every chance he can to elaborate on why we're scum, or to colloborate with his Ethersextownbuddy on our alignment.
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1. Ok, so we can scumhunt for the rest of the game but unless there's some magic "I AM TOWN" button, you see no reason to adapt your reads? BULLSHIT.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:Heh. You really don't like being voted, do you Fate?
The fact is, I voted you for legitimately scummy behavior on your part, and I don't intend to unvote you unless I have a better suspect, or a reason to think my earlier on you was wrong. Just because Ether looks town, doesn't mean I'm going to unvote you just because she did. I'll unvote you if and when I think it's the right thing to do; right now, the only people who I might willing to vote instead of you are some of the scummy looking lurkers, since we're probably dealing with lurkerscum here.
Honestly, your claim that I'm not scumhunting is just strange. I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game. All you've done has been a series of bad OMGUS votes on people; first on Ether, who's obviously town, then on Frog, who is also probably town, and now on me. That's not scumhunting, that's you flipping out on people because you don't like them voting for you.
-Yos
2. I didn't say you should unvote because Ether did, I said there's no EVIDENCE of you conferring with her on our read, you're avoiding debating it with her because you don't want to push her too hard, you rather just sit here and call her town.
I'm looking for scum on a wagon that was pushed to L-1, a wagon on TOWN. To say I'm flipping out on people who voted me is a wild understatement.
GEE I MUST BE BAD AT DIS HUH.
I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.
But all you had to say about ME WASI went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.
"scummy"
HOURS BULLSHIT MY ASS.
CAN WE GET A LYNCH ALL LIARS UP IN HERE? HE DIDNT SPEND HOURS MAKING THAT POST.
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So, jumping off the FES wagon, who has more support and you you think is TOWNTOWNLOL, to vote YOU doesn't change your mind? I can't see you actually reading the game and THINKING THINGS THROUGH, so yeah, your reads aren't changing as fluidly as they would be as town.Yosarian wrote: I change my reads and change my mind all the time. You haven't yet given me a good reason to change my mind about you, though. You just seem incredibly insulted that I didn't unvote you as soon as you posted content, which is odd, since my vote on you was never a lurker vote.
The fuck? When did we say that? We found it odd you weren't DEBATING your read on us with Ether, since we're apparently your top scumread who's done all sorts of "legit scummy" things... but you're not willing to contest this with Ether. You don't wanna get in a fight with a townie you have deep in your pocket.What is this? I don't even...
Do you usually "confer" with people you think are town but who disagree with you on your reads before you cast a vote?
You did not spend two hours making an ISO on that many people in a game this size, AND TO ONLY have "scummy" as your reasoning for why your vote was on this slot. You. Did. Not.Like I said, I decided to not take a narrow focus, and to go back and do an ISO on the about half of the people in the game I had no read on at all. The point of that post wasn't to repeat myself on points I'd already made or reads I already had, either about you, or about Dana, or about Ether, ect. And, yes, since you really seem so concerned about the time, for whatever reason, I'll tell you that it took about 2 hours, I was working on post from 4:30 to about 6:30 (with just a brief break to respond to a weird attack on me from US).
Yes, you defending yourself as a clear focus of your play, moreso than scumhunting, as well as your focus on budying people, is a scumtell. I'm not going to debate why scumtells are scumtells with you, because you'll obviously deny it.Are you seriously claiming that if I am *gasp* defending myself, that that's a scumtell?
For all mention of all these "Scumtells" we've been committing... you hardly GO INTO DETAIL on them. When was the last time you actually added to your case on us? Our case on you grows with every post, yet last time you said we did something scummy was:Did someone hand you a checklist of scumtells before the game started, and dare you to make all of them before the end of day 1 or something?
-Yos
A full 20 some odd ISO posts ago, and YET:YosFlavouredCayke wrote:1. Final Destination's vauge support for the Dana wagon, which they were unwilling to back up with a vote, seemed scummy. Their "I didn't know the game was serious yet" defense was also somewhat scummy.
2. The OMGUS "WELL FINE WE'LL POST IN ALL CAPS VOTE UNICORN" response by Almaster was worse. The meta argument may or may not be strong, but it was certanly a good enough reason for a early day 1 vote.
3. The OMGUS vote by Fate on Ether/Patrick here is even worse then that. Ether is clearly obvtown here, that should be obvious to anyone reading the thread.
1. I already explained how "we didn't know the game was serious yet" was due to me and AGM not yet having had time to sit down together and work on a post, you can't argue that this is scummy.
2. Almaster's response has already been viewed by multiple people (including ETHERTOWNLOLOL) as a townish reaction to claimed bullshit meta. We got put at L-1 very early for very bullshit reasons before we even had so much as enough time to post thoughts on the game. Yes, AGM was pissed, and he reacted accordingly.
3. OMGUS votes, keep using that word to try and paint looking for scum on one's own L-1 wagon as scummy... We've already shown how Ether's actions were INDEED shady at the time (her interaction with Gummy) and also how our limited meta of Ether would prevent us from making an easy off the bat "obvtown" read on her. I know its easier for you to read her as town as SCUM, since you know that ALL Her actions are town motivated and can see them more clearly... but for those of us with no buddies in our role PMs we actually DONT see everyone's motives as clear, since we know that anyone who posts could be scum.
So are those three the "list of scumtells" that we've been rushing to commit? OR are you going to try and scrap up some more bullshit ones and FINALLY out yourself with weak reasoning?
We're waiting.
We're also saddened at the lack of traction the Yoswagon is gaining, given JokeTrod's tunneling on FES, and now even Etherknight defending Yos... but we will PRESS ON.
BALAM! FROSTY! DO NOT THINK YOS IS TOWN BECAUSE YOS HAS "Logic"! ITS EASY TO HAVE LOGIC WHEN CALLING PEOPLE HE KNOWS ARE TOWN ARE TOWN, WHICH IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF HIS PLAY. LOOK AT THE LOGICAL HOLES IN THEONLY MISLYNCH HES FELT LIKE PUSHING THIS GAME-ON US! LOOK AT IT AND BEHOLD THE SCUMBAGGERY!
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This is easily the worse vote on that terri-bad UStranger lynch. I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:Lord Gurgi wrote:I think I'm just going to start posting as this not having an account thing is getting mighty long in the tooth.
Is an important thing to note RE: Vote issue. I think it should be allowed, but its TBM's game -shrug.
Vote: Untrod Stranger
I have decided this is the best place for our vote right now. Everyone needs to post a bit more imo.
-Cayke.
BUT the fact that Cayke made the vote makes me feel better, because if Yos had said "ok time to follow Ether onto a mislynch" it would've been MUCH worse than Cayke doing it. Obviously this coulda been planned in the hydra "you make the vote itll make more sense" but I'll go with Occam's Razor that Cayke's town read on me prevailed and she got Yos to agree to switch.
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323 was BW;s post:Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:#323 is bad, #328 is good. More content later.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2862107
Who pushed on YosCayke (FES' buttbuddy)
328 was GreyMarble:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2862442
Who was pushing the mislynch (retrospect) of US.
So disagreeing with stance taken against townpocketbuddy (YosCayke townflip pending)
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Agreeing with popular bandwagon,without a bandwagon voteWhen the FUCK have you ever seen a CEStown not on the main wagon d'jour? Especially one he AGREES with? For a tactical bandwagon hopper he sure has tunneled on me a fuck of a lot,
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He said 323 was bad yesterday, however he forGOES a BW wagon today (ala Balam's vote)... a wagon just RIPE for information. But he passes it up to vote park?
This ain't Town behavior, there's no scumhunting motive behind it. He is just sticking with his vote on us it because nobody is bothering to refute it or call him out for it (and in fact, YosCayke is even praising it).
AKA:
FES is making a vote he feels comfortable with carrying over from yesterday. He has no original content, which he PROMISED "later" in the post. Empty promising scumbag right here.
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Its not a lie, but you're right. We spent more time on AIM saying "holy fuck both Yos and FES are scummy, who do we vote?" than we did in thread. We figured ONE of you two was scum, and were fence-sitting on that issue, but by NO MEANS AT ALL were we going to say "well if Yos is scum->FES town->>>>US=scum" because FES was scummy enough in his own right that US was townish for attacking him.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:
Bullshit.Final Destination wrote:I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.This is a lie. You were voting YosCayke and pushing their wagon for most of Day 1 and you were still doing it at the end.
Ah AGM found it:
MAYBE FES is town, not "FES IS TOWN US IS SCUM" that was never our stance. We knew it was implausible you were BOTH scum (besides are read on both of you being scum) but at that time we wanted to go the YosCayke direction and gave you some ROPE to pull yourself/hangyourself/be useful.Final Destination wrote:Aka: We've come to the conclusion that if only one of FES/YOS is scum, its Yos, and that MAYBE just MAYBE FES is town that actually is bullheaded and stupid enough to think we're scum for shitty reasons, but at least he BELIEVES IT and is willing to ARGUE IT. Whereas Yos dodged every chance he can to elaborate on why we're scum, or to colloborate with his Ethersextownbuddy on our alignment.
P.S.:
FES, get your act together if you're town. Seriously.
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You have taken said rope and tied it around you head and said LOLHERPDERP. This has tipped our scumreadscales to you over YosCayke for the SCUMZORS on our wagon.
I have a gut town read on #23. Partly because I think I know who part of that hydra is.Question: Do you disagree that #323 and #328 are bad and good posts respectively?
yes #328 is goodposting because GreyMarble is townish from our reads.
But ok... so you're saying unless you say somethign CONTROVERSIAL that I DISAGREE with we can't find you scum? That seems to be what you're implying, that because "well what I SAID wasn't wrong, was it?" that somehow constitutes as a defense of TOWN motivation in your posts. You're wrong, and scum.
Ok, then NIGHT ended, and was THIS your good post?:We intended to get in a good post (i.e. not a one-liner like that one) later, but then the Day ended.
Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:
Isn't "Quoting your hydra qt is fine." just the naïve go-to position? We think it's a town tell because it suggests there are things in the qt that they want to quote, but not because they held the wrong position re: hydra QTs.Lord Fonzi wrote:however we (and particularly the Fonz head) think that the QT-posting thing, given that it would likely be disastrous for scum, is an enormous towntell.
Vote: Final Destination
FUCK NO.
Die scum.
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You derpa AGM.AlmasterGM wrote:[AGM]
Associative tells is the key word - you were still being a total scumbag, but we had doubts your duo would be scum together, and our read on Yos was stronger so we temporarily put you in the "not worrying about it" category. But then Yos finished the day with a strong town pull and you finished by being even more scummy. So that read flip-flopped. We just never got the chance to post it because there was a quickwagon derrrrp.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Hmm. I obviously leaped to a conclusion there, but it's ambiguous - US is tangential to that what he's talking about and the supposed relation between our alignment and YosCayke's is clearly established in FD's posting. In any case it's still a lie - at the end of the day he was advocating that YFC was scum and that by associative tells we weren't.
And then the morning hit, and we made our stance abundantly clear. So stop acting like "OMG FD is making stuff up!" Our advocacy is 100% clear ALL. THE. TIME.
Also, it's really telling how bad your vote is that it's all predicated on "yeah, but's." E.g., You say something that's wrong, somebody tells you its wrong, and then you go, "Yeah, but what about THISSS!"
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BTW I just realized something that probably is a SIGNIFICANT difference of one letter:
That was a derpa slip that lead to the confusion of where we stand.Final Destination wrote:
This is easily the worse vote on that terri-bad UStranger lynch. I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aLa our stance on FES being scum yesterday.
AKA implies that "Yeah given our stance on FES being scum yesterday"
ALA is like "to go with the FES scum read we had [in our aim chats]" its much less strong, and the implication that we were STRONG ADVOCATES OF FROG DEATH D1 isn't there.
Ala is what I meant, anyway, and I'm glad to see that my#379 also cleared things up.
Copper is :goodposting: as to be expected. Can't say I find any fault in his analysis, but I should stop talking without AGM
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NOW AGMS GONE AND I GET TO PLAY.
The case against FES is that he is either hampering town or a SCUMBAG, more likely the latter given the player's within's standing at being somewhat competent players.
I mean, have they commented SWEETFUCKALL on other people other than an occasional? "This post is bad, This post is good" with even still a later QUALIFIER that bad posts aren't even scummy!
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IM GLAD YOU LINKED THATFrogito Ergo Sum wrote: @Greymarble, easy. Fate is very aggressive and active as town. Final Destination has not been aggressive or especially active. There's ample scum motive since his town style is hard to emulate and furthermore, we've seen him try to clean up his act in Wait your turn, Tex and the difference wasn't nearly as big there. So yep, that's a good meta-based argument.
Frogito Ergo Sum wrote: The reasons we had for voting Final Destination yesterday still hold. In particular, his SHOCK and HORROR at HOW DARE PEOPLE VOTE ME is so awkward andover the top it simply doesn't look honest.
POINTS FOR WHO SPOTS THE SCUMBAG.
Seriously this is just laughable at this point. and OH GOODIE BW leaves so the game will stall a bit but hopefully we'll get some COMPETENCE in that fuckin slot.
My god the scum qt looks like this:
WALP I'm goin down today or maybe not-FES
DONT LINK YOURSELF TO ANYONE! Just keep your head down and tunnel FD
Said tunnel is going to get me run up more though...-FES
SO WHAT! We;re look sexy after you flip, and HEY maybe since we have YOS in our pocket still, he'll defend you all the way because he'll WIFOM himself into "FES wouldn't play this badly as scum..." and you'll get through with minimal damage!
*shrug* I'll do some light fake distancing on DaSpot too, I've been working on that link for awhile now, so he'll be an easy mislynch after I die. If I don't see yo utomorrow night, GL-FES
So who to kill? LEts get rid of one of these "derpamasonbuddies" they're bound to get on the right track eventualy.
Let's have Ether dead obviously, we can distract FD with Yos still, and have those two fight it out and lurk through
OH FUCK COPPER IS REPLACING IN
[Dutch Plug-in missing]...-FES
God help us all. Should we just NK him now?
Nah that'll show that scum are in a favorable position and don't want the game read with a new perspective, plus its CRUEL-You know who
K, I got my FD tunnel shirt on, let's do this-FES
DAY 2 DAWN BREAKS
"Yo, I'm scum and I'm ready to be bussed. Watch as I provide no content and respond to no cases on me except those I think I can refute, and link myself with DaSpot in subtle ways" -FES
"YOURE DAMN RIGHT YOURE GONNA BE BUSSED. I SAW THE LIGHT AND YOS IS TOWN AND YOURE THE SCUMBAG"-Fate
"Nope.jpg. Rage more though, it'll make people side with me more heheheh"
"WITH AGM GONE I THINK I WILL FUCKIN RAGE MORE.
OH BUT WAIT...I THOUGHT MY LACK OF RAGE WAS THE REASON IM SCUM?"-Fate
"Meh, I don't even remember my "case" on you anymore, its so flimsy I'm surprised I haven't been quicklynched yet and US got lynched over me yesterday. I'll just ignore it unless an Yosbuddy asks me to provide an updated case on you or something"-FESSCUM
"HEHAHEHAHAEHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOURE SO DEAD!"
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DaSpot, townhunting is legitimate. As for scumhunting he has his suspect d'jour, evenIhave mentioned only one suspect today and its for a reason.
FES on the other hand has...
has.... his out-dated vote on me, who YOU think is town.
and a secondary bullshit suspicion on YOU who you KNOW is town.
Get your ass back on the right wagon. This day is ONLY stalling because of BW replacement and Lord Gurgi/GB content.
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Fuck your CES town meta. I'm WELL AWARE of how CES plays. His town wagon hopping has a purpose.
He hasn't wagon hopped since he jumped on mine, and he hasn't left it or contributed anything useful to this thread.
And you're giving him a pass because of meta? What the HELL. "CES town jumps on wagon as towns, ergo herpderp if he does it EVER hes town" Yos is usually scum when he use shittastic reasoning. Still feel better about FES though-
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PARAMA?
calling FES TOWN?
THATS A 100% SOLID SCUMTELL RIGHT THERE. PARAMA IS ALWAYS FUCKING HORRIBLE WITH READS. HE GETS SOME SORT OF TWISTED FUCKING JOY OUT OF CALLING MY SCUMREADS 100% TOWN AND THEN BEING COMPLETELY AND HORRIBLY WRONG WHEN THEY FLIP.
OH AND LOOK NOW AT FES SCROUNGING UP SOME CONTENT BY SCUMHUNTING A RETARDED HYDRA.
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Hi, this is the AGM head checking back in. Nice to see that Fate has kept things under control while I was gone. And by under control, I mean not really. Now that we've each had our chance to rage, hopefully we can keep things equalized from now on.
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82 HOURS IS APPARENTLY LESS THAN GREATER THAN STRINGING V/LAS TOGETHER AND PROMISING EMPTY BULLSHIT.
YOU FUCKIN HAPPY TBM?
Not yet, I still need to get Unicorns posting again, why there is this level of actvity in a hydra game boggles my mind.
WHEN WE GET OUR FES LYNCH WE"LL HAVE SHIT TO SAY.
UNTIL THEN:
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OH NO INB4 FONZI PLAYS POST POLICE. WHAT A FUCKIN USELESS "ROLE" THATS NOT A THANKLESS JOB ITS A NULL JOB THAT DOESNT INVOLVE HUNTING SCUMLast edited by TheButtonmen on Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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AGM and I don't even know what to say anymore.
Unfortunately we're not like Copper, and can comment on EVERYTHING that happens and give reads out like candy.
We want FES dead. Everything other than that is a distraction. We're not interested in derailing our own wagon, nor do we feel the need to add any more fuel to it, since FES' posts don't even amount to anything that can be scumhunted anymore.
We DO see a couple of various connections between Balam, Fonzi, and Copper, but these things will be played out and discussed by us when we have proper motivation to do as such.
That motivation will NOT come while FES still breathes.
We like Balam's most recent depcition of the situation: FES tunnels us weakly, leaving room for a Daspot wagon as an escape route, then BAM look what happens? He hops on the Daspot wagon.
Daspot is just dripping of mislynch. His wagon is "hot for scum" as AGM put it.
As far as Parama goes, he's town if FES is scum. That's just how Parama's shitforreads work.
Enough rehashing of things though, even though we haven't posted content in a week or more I still feel like I'm just repeating myself at this point on several issues.
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O RLY?Final Destination wrote:Needless to say, I find it more than mildly amusing that I'm the only player who is apparently competent enough to post in his hydra at all times.
"Hi my name is Fate and every time AGM chats me on AIM I say "yo" and then evaporate for 3 hours HURR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR but maybe if I post in fancy italics people will think I'm large n' in charge."
Anyway, lets lynch FES and then we can go be one big happy again.
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Did I see you raise your hand? Just because you're obvtown doesn't mean you're allowed to talk smack.Greymarble wrote:
O RLYFinal Destination wrote:Needless to say, I find it more than mildly amusing that I'm the only player who is apparently competent enough to post in his hydra at all times.-
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IceyCupcake wrote:Unvote
Not lynching without marble input here.IceyCupcake wrote:
Copper... failure. Town in a tunnel can and will dismiss weak evidence for other wagons to push their favorite wagon. Fate does it all the time, witness his tunnel on FES.Copper wrote:
What you're saying here is that townies will lie about how townie someone else is just to get their favorite lynch through. That's a surprising claim, and one I don't believe. What makes you feel this way?Greymarble wrote:Really? That's scummy? 'Cause that reads like town in a tunnel trying to derail the wagons that aren't theirs to me.
More to the point, you are suggesting that its evidence that he's scummy because he dismissed evidence against his scumbuddy. I.E. you are presuming knowledgebased on a flip you do not have.
If you believe that SVT is independently scummy enough to lynch, and that danaspot is the likely partner, lynch SVT and if he flips town you'll know you have a null tell.
But I am not sure that's really the point at all.
I'll put my vote here for now.
Vote: CopperGreyICE wrote:
The unicorns are out of brains.11Unicorn Brethren wrote:Hi. The Unicorns are out for blood.
We will be happy with goring any of the following:
-DaSpotthatkillsu (<deadweight/scum)
-Greymarble (<scum)
-FinalDestination (<kickingscreamingweight)
-Mystery player (<obvscum)
Copper was fucking excellent posting, <3 whoever the hell makes up that hydra.
BTW, this hydra has a natural flow because all the posts stem from a single sourceGreyICE wrote:Unvote
No more fucking unicorn hammersGreyICE wrote:You're preaching to the choir on lurking being a scumtell. I've made that argument myself. And I just don't see it for Gummybear.
Doing a solid reread now.GreyICE wrote:MEH
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I HAVE QUESTION NOW. QUESTION BE ANSWERED
THEN VOTE. TOMORROWS VOTE MAY BE DECIDED BY QUESTIONGreyICE wrote:So why spot? Honestly, why flip to him? I just don't feel this spot = scum bit. Or this FD = scum, but that's less relevant.GreyICE wrote:I'll put together a case Copper, but at the moment you are scummy because you are pushing a weak case far harder than it deserves. LAL on daspot when he explained the difference between lurking and what he thought BW was doing? Weaksauce. Too hard for too little - that was an honest read, and you yell LAL?
FES town is MUCH weaker, but spotty is TOWN. And on top of that you are overplaying a weak hand for your case. I dun like it copper.
NOPE TRY AGAIN-
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NO. WE"RE NOT FUCKIN IN THE MOOD.Balam wrote:Final Destination: You disappeared for 4 days and XX pages. Got anything to add besides some shit about who's posting as what account?
THIS GAME HAS TURNED INTO A LURKINGDERPFEST. GUMMY AND SINGERBEAR SING AND DANCE IN OTHER THREADS AND SCUMCHAT ALL FUCKIN DAY LONG AND THEY CAN"T BE ARSED TO POST A SINGLE CONTENT CATCHUP POST HERE.
IF THERE IS NOT SCUM BETWEEN THEM AND FES THERE WILL BE NO END TO OUR RAGE.
YOSCAYKES LATEST HARDCORE DEFENSE OF FES GIVES US SECOND THOUGHTS AS WELL, AS IF HE KNOWS FES' TOWNFLIP WILL CONDEMN HIM VIA POE (BECAUSE YOS IS DEFSCUM IF FES IS SOMEHOW SPACETOWN)
SO YEAH, WE HAVE THE CHOICE OF STALLING THE GAME TO FUCK AND BACK AND GOING OFF ON SOME OTHER TANGENT, OR STICKIN TO OUR GUNS, OR LYNCHING LURKBAGS.
WE"RE STICKIN TO FES
AND HE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED INT A CLAIM/HAMMERED.
LIKE WEVE BEEN SAYING FOR WHAT FEELS LIKE WEEKS.
GOD
DAMN
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