The Mafia with the Hydras - Game Over!

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[AGM]

/confirmz

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[AGM]

P.S. Much sexier avatar coming shortly.

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[AGM]

9. Untrod Stranger - Untrod Tripod pretending to be two people

I lol'd.

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Real reads will come once AGM and I have time to sit down and co-ordinate.

Believe it or not, this is not Edge 2.0. We've agreed we're actually going to come to consensus on posts and reads before we post them in the thread.

So don't be expecting quadruple posts and ISO that goes on for miles.

As for our vote, we're debating between the hydra that won't reveal itself and the six-lolly-head hydra.

Given AGM's absence and Reck's offer of fellatio (italian pasta right?), I'm going with:

VOTE: Unicorn RainbowTeam

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Needs to be between 0 and 31 KiB, but we do appreciate the effort. A still frame of the final part of the .gif would suffice if you could >_>

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I do approve of the Dana wagon, and was not aware we were getting into serious mode. FES makes the strongest case for Dana, IMO ("^scum")

Last post AGM made in the hydra QT was asking me if I cared about the hydra that didn't reveal itself, so we still haven't had a chance to discuss reads or place a real vote down.

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[AGM]

Great, we've got 26 or more players and there's turbolurking.

Vote:Final Destination

They're scum.

Discuss.

Discuss? I've got a better idea: GTFO. Your whole rant in #131 is all about how you are SOOoOooo certain of our metas. First, you have played in a grand total of ZERO games where I was scum and I have only been mafia 2-3 times on this site ever, so you don't know anything about my meta. Moreover, if you actually DID know it, you would know that your analysis is ENTIRELY WRONG, since there was a game where I did nothing but bus even though I didn't need to.

And I'm just going to go ahead and say on Fate's behalf that you probably don't know anything about his meta EITHER.

So to answer your GRAND QUESTION of why we haven't posted much, it's because we wanted to take a break from just RAGING RANDOMLY and actually think things over logically in our QT before posting. And I happened to be busy this week, which meant less QTing and thus less posting. And given that the mod was like, "hey guys, this is going to be a nice, leisurely game," we thought that would be just swell.

BUT NOOOOOOoooooo, nobody wants that. You just want the AGM+FATE SHOW, WITH HEAD DISSONANCE, DEBATING, YELLING, AND LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS EVERYYYWHEHEEEER. AND THE DEBATE CIRCUIT SEASON IS IN FULL SWING, SO BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY: IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE, I CAN FUCKING DELIVER .

The UNICORN BRETHREN vote is especially AWFUL because it references a post that is completely false, something UB should know given that some of their 103950239021 heads have more experience with us.

Unvote. Vote: Unicorn Brethren

Oh yeah, and you also have way too many heads. Die.

MAYBE FATE WILL COME BACK LATER AND REVERSE THIS VOTE. I WOULDN'T kNOW BECAUSE APPARENTLY PEOPLE LIKE IT WHEN WE JUST POOOSOSSOSOPOSOSOSPOST.

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I am in agreement with AGM's mocking of GreyICE's "meta tells" because its a very weak meta to go off of, and two, the game just started and AGM has been pretty busy.

AGM has said "looks like they want a show, lets give it to them and play like normal RAGERAGE" but I disagree. I, as GummyBear has pointed out, am interested in playing this game as a TEAM, not just two players for the price of one-double posting.

I figure AGM's last line is permission to change our vote, and I will do so. Yes UB is referencing a false meta, but I got town vibes off his earlier ability to read us (aka realizing we hadn't read the thread yet and were just laying out good RVS-worthy votes.)

I think Ether is particularly suspicious the way she got on our wagon, citing "thinking 6 heads is a good fallback lynch" as her reason. When did we say that? I think it is pretty clear that the 6-headed PL was just that, a PL to gain information during the RVS stage. I never said "if all else fails...just lynch UB."

That and with us leaning town on GummyBear out of the Ether/Gummy spat, and:

Unvote:
Vote: Etherisk

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Also I see we're now using RC's avatar, thanks again its smexy.

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We'll be vindicated post-flips.

AGM and I are on AIM right now, and we are really disgusted by the level of play on our wagon right now. Activity tells+Bullshit meta from a new player, and now apparently finding Ether suspicious for her cool vote hop from Gummy onto us with a "they can both be scum!" caveat thrown in there has activated the "scumchatposse defense"

We've decided its hard to use all caps with a hydra-joint post, but we've agreed on this line:

LOL AT THIS WAGON

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In answer to that last question: I am keeping an eye on Fate. As I've said, I'm weary of anyone who thinks a six-headed hydra is a good fallback lynch.

But there's a very, very obvious difference between their play and yours.

-Ether

This is the reason you were citing, as far as I could tell.

I'm not sure how I'm "making this up"

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Fate tag. I'm at work ill be reading along. AGM can elaborate on our Gummytown read, but as I said we found Gummy more town out of that excjange and your vote on her (for not wanting to pst without agreement) particularly weak.

Two weak back to back votes earned you ours.

[AGM]

Temporary

unvote

, then.

So I'm assuming from your whining about the votes on you and then disappearing that you aren't going to talk about GummyBear.

-Ether

What do you want us to elaborate on exactly? GummyBear has a perfect grasp on what is most likely to be happening (we are conferencing) and, indeed, what is actually happening (we are conferencing). You proceeding to call us both scum for complete bullshit reasons make us think you are scum and she is town.

The fact that you want us to elaborate on this very basic read while your vote on us is based on even simpler and less justified magnifies how precarious your vote on us was.

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[AGM]

Actually, I'm done with mafia for today. The ending of another game has caused me too much grief.

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I PM'd AGM to get back on, but we'll probably get on this Dana wagon soon. Popping up in the midst of the Fate wagon, not commenting on it, and having nothing to say but "omg look at how UB voted us! How is that not scummier than what WE'VE done?" that's such a scum-mindset I just can't even.. of course he doesnt VOTE UB BACK, because he doesn't want to be seen as OMGUS. Huge scum mindset here and I'm just waiting on AGM to agree so we can move to that wagon.

1. Final Destination's vauge support for the Dana wagon, which they were unwilling to back up with a vote, seemed scummy. Their "I didn't know the game was serious yet" defense was also somewhat scummy.

2. The OMGUS "WELL FINE WE'LL POST IN ALL CAPS VOTE UNICORN" response by Almaster was worse. The meta argument may or may not be strong, but it was certanly a good enough reason for a early day 1 vote.

3. The OMGUS vote by Fate on Ether/Patrick here is even worse then that. Ether is clearly obvtown here, that should be obvious to anyone reading the thread.

1. We hadn't read the game yet, we weren't active. This falls under the "lol activity" tells I mentioned before.

2. Yeah, like I said I disagree with AGM trying to appease there. He was very likely frustrated that such a quick and bullshit wagon formed on us with such weak reasons, that he wasn't able to see clearly that it was a valid wagon for information for early D1.

3. Obvtown? How? You'll need to elaborate on that. It was OMGUS, and the I knew I'd be placing a counter-vote after being PLACED AT L-1 so early. I'll eat my hat if there isn't scum on my wagon, and from where I stand Ether's hop is clearly the worse, since I don't see town making a hop off their scumread Gummy so early, with a "sure they're both scum" justification. WHy was she so eager to get this wagon building on us? It didn't look to be for information, the way it was justified, it looked to be a "ok I'll mislynch Fate but tomorrow I want my gummy mislynch too" sort of vote. I'd say we should be obvtown and it should be clear to anyone reading the thread, but things are never that simple are they?

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Anyway, my stance on Ether/Gummy:


Ether is misrepresenting Gummy's play as scummy. She's saying that "ohh SINGER DOESNT WANT TO GIVE SCUMREADS SHE SCUM"

Couple problems:
1.

I do approve of the Dana wagon, and was not aware we were getting into serious mode. FES makes the strongest case for Dana, IMO ("^scum")

Last post AGM made in the hydra QT was asking me if I cared about the hydra that didn't reveal itself, so we still haven't had a chance to discuss reads or place a real vote down.

I basically said the same thing here, but she didn't call me out on it with a "WHY CANT YOU SAY UR READS WITHOUT CONFERRING" I think this is because she knows Singer woudl be much easier to push a mislynch on.

2. She's attacking singer for hydra playstyle difference. Singer not wanting to post content without first agreeing with quadz is NOT SCUMMY, but Ether is trying to paint it as much as you can see here:

I'm afraid you'll catch me if I don't rehearse all of my stances first.

-Ether

And

here:

If I think one half of the player list is scum and my other half thinks the other half of the player list is scum, then we don't really get anywhere. If we have a chance to discuss what we think about the players, we can form more accurate opinions collectively from there.

Fyi, discussion is almost never stupid as long as it's game/mafia related. If we hadn't had that discussion, I never would have known why it mattered to you that I was concerned with conferring before we posted specific thoughts on specific players. It's pro-town to talk. To think otherwise is batting for the other team.

vote: GummyBear

-Ether

I'm afraid you'll catch me if I don't rehearse all of my stances first.

-Ether

She's trying to make it out as if Gummy was contradicting herself by saying she wanted more discussion, but didn't want to state reads until quadz had agreed. Its not a contradiction. Singer wants more discussion,

but she's not willing to break her hydra playstyle to achieve that.

Not scummy at all.

That's how my Ether/Gummy reads developed, that coupled with this hop:

For what it's worth, it's not like I just voted them over a theory disagreement.

Fate could be scum. (shrug)

-Ether

Oh this isn't the hop, but I missed it on a re-read. If she realizes she voted them over only a theory disagreement...why does she keep the read in her pocket here?:

Yeah, okay.

unvote; vote: Final Destination

If it makes you feel better, Unicorns is probably town anyway.

I'm still reserving the right to flip back to GummyBear. They can both be scum.

-Ether

Either way, I don't like this hop for reasons I mentioned before, but the fact that Ether called herself out on voting Gummy for only theory reasons weakens our Ether-read.

Unvote:
Vote: Danaspot

AGM has read and approved this post.

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Look at this. Without any more post from us, without any discussion by others on our actions, without any real explanation, they suddenly jump off their big wagon and start voting for us again. It's almost like they think it's funny. And then they tell us to make the day short, when some people have barely posted. How is this not scummier than anything this account has done?

Seriously though, this post is just dripping scum. For reasons I mentioned two posts ago, but to elaborate more its just calling Reaper scummy without voting him.

"Its almost like they think its funny" implies knowledge that UNICORN is TOWN, why would scum do that switch? IF she thought UB was scum, what does that make his switch mean? What does say about our, Final's, alignment and his derailing of our wagon?

Yet dana provides none of that content. She says UB is doing it "for teh lulz" as in, Dana is FRUSTRATED by UB no longer pushing our mislynch and again hops onto our lynch.


This line as well:
"Without any more post from us..." so because dana didn't post that means UB's scum read should've been weakened? Altered?

What is this we don't even.

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^[AGM]

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Although that was a TERRIFIC backpedal off our wagon Grey, AGM and I agree that it is unlikely you would have pushed us so early as scum given BotW mafia and our reputations, and that it is indeed likely you were going for the reads.

We're working on Dana's post now.

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That's stupid, FD. There's nothing scummy about asking why something isn't scummier than what we've done. Your case on us always seems to come down to something ridiculous like "poor reasoning", which isn't a scumtell. Now they votehop like mad with no further info, and you say it's actually townish.

Yes it is townish to hope back onto someone that has been scummier, and they suspected earlier.

Yes, I called the UB scummier than us without voting them. That's because I don't find them to be the scummiEST. More on that another day, when I can give you a full case.

Ok, who's the scummiest? Full case whenever, reads now. Way too much lee-way in this post.

Don't understand why saying that UB almost thinks it's funny implies they're town. Assuming UB is scum, their derailment of your wagon would make you scummier, imo, but what's your point?

Both AGM and I O_O'd at this post. If you assume UB is scum, which is what your reads supposedly ARE, then why don't you STILL have no read on us? Or any comment on our wagon? Or anything at all? You even go onto say:

It's dumb to say that I must have been frustrated with UB for unvoting you. I wasn't voting you in the first place, nor did I even call you scummy, so why would I want you lynched?

Well do you want us lynched or not? I can't tell from your posts where you stand on anything, other than calling people suspecting you "dumb" and being in complete defensive mode. Hell, you don't even have a VOTE DOWN.

The fact that we didn't post any more should mean the UB's read on us DIDN'T change, and therefore should not merit a vote any more than before. And they gave no reason why you merited a vote any LESS than before. You see how that works?
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, where everything I say is somehow scummy or invalid, and everyone agrees on that but doesn't know why.

...? This makes no sense. His vote on you before WAS merited, so why are you trying to imply that it has LESS merit when he re-voted you? He didn't give a reason why he thought we were more townish, but at least he took that stance and SAID we were, aka "Final is more townish, back to Dana." His train of thought is very clear and very townie.

Yours is very vague and very scummy.
I know exactly why everything you say is scummy and invalid, its because YOU'RE SCUM. We've shown as much from your posts.

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And just going by the tone of dana's posts, her mindset is pretty clear.

"UB does XXX and you call it town. WTF WHY?" Anger seeps through that he's being lynched, and UB is being found as town.

"Me having poor reasoning is NOT a scumtell" Thinks he's being caught on invalid tells... Tell me how its a fucking towntell? Tell me what you've done at all this game for town?

"If UB was scum, then you look scummy by association" Scumhunting by false links, a classic for scum. Add the caveat that he makes no clear STANCE on our wagon or alignment still, and you got a SCUMcake here. Not a Yoscayke.

AGM and I have summed up your play thusly: You are scum whining about being caught, there's no smugness in your posts, and the closest you come to scumhunting is a "once I can make a case on someone I'll get back to you and have found DEM SCUMZ!!", you're nervous as hell this game.

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[AGM]

The main reason why we haven't voted UB yet is that I keep telling my other head that UB have six heads DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE THEM SCUM.

Wait, what? This implies you think they are not scum. But then you just said this:

Yes, I called the UB scummier than us without voting them. That's because I don't find them to be the scummiEST.

Which implies that you find them scummy (if not the scummIEST).

Which is it?

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Unvote:
Vote: FES

We've come to the agreement that Dana's STILL lack of reads is pretty scummy, but when all is said and done it might just be a lack of co-ordination in their QT. Which is almost exactly parallel to the situation AGM and I had the first few days. We'll be awaiting this promised reads and content finally, and have a keen eye still on Dana, but the FES wagon is where its at.

He, on the other hand, has no excuse for his minimal contribution to this game. He seems quite content to sit on our burned out wagon, citing the worst of worst reasons:

We are in favour of edited VCs.

@Greymarble, easy. Fate is very aggressive and active as town. Final Destination has not been aggressive or especially active. There's ample scum motive since his town style is hard to emulate and furthermore, we've seen him try to clean up his act in Wait your turn, Tex and the difference wasn't nearly as big there. So yep, that's a good meta-based argument.

Things wrong with this are as follows:

1. Besides using meta as the entirety of his case being extremely weak,
2. FES uses SOLELY FATE'S meta in his post. What kind of logical fallacy is this? That since Fate is part of the hydra, if it is not posting like Fate's "town style" it is scum. Seriously, AGM's name isn't even MENTIONED in this post.
3. Using other game examples of me "trying something new" to imply that unless I fail miserably at cleaning up my act I'm scum... as if it were impossible for me to improve. I'll admit I didn't give Tex's game HALF as much effort at this one D1, since I basically treated it like a marathon/mechanic based game and didn't take it seriously at all. This game isn't an attempt to "clean up my act" btw, as I said earlier its an attempt to apply my hydra philosophy (that both heads shoul dagree on everything before posting) to a HYDRA BASED game. This results in more thought out posts, less caps (hard to CAPS when co-writing something), and... yeah.

4. AGM wants to list a fuckton of my games where I emulate my town style, which is apparently "difficult," as scum. If you're going to use meta to sit on a wagon, at least

get it fucking right.

We didn't like FES' position on our wagon, which scum definitely got a taste of. With Yosarian swearing on his life and FES encouraging his reads that Ether is town, we're forced to narrow it down to it being FES. This is the wagon today.

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[AGM]

Quick note about FES's meta on Fate: I've seen Fate very aggressive as scum, too. Though I agree with it being odd that he and AGM are so silent this game. AGM tends to sheep Fate, so I don't see why he would feel the need to pull back (unless he's learned from his mistakes with his Edge hydra

1) The "silent" argument is completely false - we have produced more content than more than half the playerlist combined. Untrod Stranger, Reckamonic, Balam, BeaverWesel, and Mrs. Flay … go read those people and get back to us on the "silent" issue.
2) Your reference for AGM sheeping Fate is like what, one game? Terrible meta tell.
3) We have already stated that we are taking a unilateral approach to this game. We discuss and agree on all posts before we make them. This necessarily leads to less posting because we have to both be on at the same time to talk before we can make a post.
4) You are refuting yourself. Obviously Edge was completely out of control, so it would logically make sense that Fate would try something different this time.

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[AGM]

Quick note about FES's meta on Fate: I've seen Fate very aggressive as scum, too. Though I agree with it being odd that he and AGM are so silent this game. AGM tends to sheep Fate, so I don't see why he would feel the need to pull back (unless he's learned from his mistakes with his Edge hydra

1) The "silent" argument is completely false - we have produced more content than more than half the playerlist combined. Untrod Stranger, Reckamonic, Balam, BeaverWesel, and Mrs. Flay … go read those people and get back to us on the "silent" issue.
2) Your reference for AGM sheeping Fate is like what, one game? Terrible meta tell.
3) We have already stated that we are taking a unilateral approach to this game. We discuss and agree on all posts before we make them. This necessarily leads to less posting because we have to both be on at the same time to talk before we can make a post.
4) You are refuting yourself. Obviously Edge was completely out of control, so it would logically make sense that Fate would try something different this time.

[FATE APPROVED]

(re-post on proper account)

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I've been WAITING eagerly for what Yos would say after AGM finally got together and produced content:

Nothing. Not a single comment on our views of the game, our elaboration of our reads (and if Ether is that easily read as town, well I'll be having fun at Goofbash for one), and basically the extreme info dump on this thread we produced.

My read? YosCayke can't attack it. He finds no flaws that he can elaborate on and push anymore, since his latest reasoning "lolufind etherscum? u are soooo scum" has grown outdated and irrelevant. That hydras newest focus, first Cayke on FES: saying his jump was lazy but not scummy, offering NO INSIGHT why her vote was still on me, and then Yos-who I was in particularly waiting for since he posted extensively elsewhere before coming here, all of which give us really bad vibes.

Then when he does post, what is it? Him not "seeing" UStranger's case on FES? For all his "not seeing" he sure does a lot of "not showing" where is own reads stand. As far as I can tell, he he has Ether as obvtown and us as obvscum, but has dodges responding to any of our posts, which would further the case on us which has become so unpopular.

We'll see what AGM says on the matter, but as it stands I'm still content with FES wagon since I'm sure at least one of Yos/FES is scum.

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Also, I find his lack of "Why is FD town?" remark in response to Ether's latest reads (one would think if they were BOTH town they'd be more willing to form a bloc. Speaking of said reads, even Ether is hesitant to give a Yos a town slot, his play is just that off) particularly scummy.

So how about it? You're obvtownbuddybuddy target has declared this slot town Yos, why are you not willing to contest her on the issue and instead go off on side-tangents with FES v. The World?

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Cool, Balam's probably town then.

GUMMYBEAR HAS POSTED ELSEWHERE. FIGURED I"D DO MY CIVIC DUTY AND POINT OUT HOW THEY"RE AVOIDING OF THIS GAME IS SKETCHY AS FUCK AND ERODING THEIR TOWN READ.

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Just checking in after catching up in another game. This one's next.

For emphasis.

AGM was on earlier but I missed him. We'll have a real post next time we're together though.

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Unvote:
Vote: YosCayke

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Ok. I realized I didn't actually have a read on half the people in the game, so I went through and ISO's everyone I didn't have a solid read on (which was like 6 people, mostly because there are so many damn lurkers in this game). So, here's my analysis of everyone in the game at the moment. (Standard disclaimer, this is based on just the first 10 pages of day 1, expect reads and opinions to change wildly in the future based on new information, hunches, wild mood swings, and whatever I eat for breakfast, ect ect.)

Frogito Ergo Sum-Leaning town. Bandwagony tendencies are what I’d expect from CES. Most of the posts so far feel more like CES then like Shanba, based on my rough meta of the two of them; if I’m right about that, I’d like to hear some more from Shanba.

Pathetric-100% superdupertriplelooper obvtown

Gummybear-Eh. Less scummy when read in ISO then I was thinking off the top of my head. Thing with Ether is probably just a theory disagreement, and is consistant with earlier comments about UB and such. Null. I really do want to hear a read from them, though; they’ve said nothing about who they find suspicious or who the find town-ish at all. They promised they’d do so soon, and I hope to hear from them about it.

Final Destination-scummy.

Balam-Don’t really have a problem with the vote on DaSpotthatkillsu, although I am wondering why, exactally; only thing he said was that thing about sigs, and that’s not exacatlly a scumtell. He hasn’t done anything since. Borderline lurker; just responded to a prod; expect to hear from them soon.

Mrs. Flay-Severe lurker. Has yet to make a useful post this game. Needs to post or die. Guys, I know there’s 4 of you, and odds are Flameaxe has probably already flaked, so I’m not surprised you’re having trouble coming to a consensus, but that’s ok; if any of you has any opinion on anything, just post it and we’ll move on from there, or just post both sides of a disagreement you have, or something. You guys need to get some thoughts down into the thread.

Reckamonic-I don’t really get the attack on Unicorn. I guess it was a joke vote, ish, but he’s kept it on all game, possibly because they've been lurking since rvs. Needs to get in here and post.

Greymarble- Leaning town. I like the reasoning on Final Destination, and his reluctant conclusion that UB is probably town in his ISO post 10 and 12 feels really town to me.

Untrod Stranger- Could be tunneling town at this point. I don’t get why he’s so uber-committed to getting frog lynched that he’s willing to overcommit so heavily to the wagon and willing to mow down everyone who’s even remotely in his way, pretty much without any regard to facts or reason, and it’s especially odd considering that his case on frog really isn’t strong. Still, town tunnel like that so often I can’t really call it a scumtell.

BeaverWeasel-Has been mostly useless. Has been voting Pathetic all game and I have no idea why. Has also been lurking. If there’s one lurkerscum in this game, it might be this guy.

Unicorn Brethren- I think they’re probably town. A bunch of different people posting from this account, but they all give good vibes, they all make sense to me, in different ways.

DaSpotthatkillsu- Borderline scummy.

Summery:
Town: Ether.
Leaning town: Greymarble, frog, unicorn.
Null-ish: Gummybear, US.
Lurking: Mrs Flay, Balam, Reck.
Lurkerscum: Balam.
Borderline Scummy: DaSpot
Scummy: Final Destiation.

-Yos

Let's start with this post and how horrible the reads are.

First of all, is this REALLY what you say about your TOP scumread (where vote is at)?:

Final Destination-scummy.

"Scummy." But never a WHY, or never an EXPLANATION. Basically, Yos has been unable to find anything scum-motivated about our posts after AGM's rage post, and his lil chain-saw defense of ether, and has just blanket-all called them "scummy" and "nothing in there to make me think you're town." Really? HE EVEN GOES SO FAR TO SAY:

If you have anything specific you want me to respond to, I'll be glad to do so.

Is he scumhunting here, (town-motivated) or DEFENDING himself? (scum motivated). "Tell me what you want me to respond to and I'll post it." That's a reactionary playstyle, that's scummy as fuck. He doesn't go out and TRY to find the scum motivation in our posts, he even goes so far as to say "your suspicion of DaSpot is reasonable" instead of finding some fault with it.

And if he doesn't find fault, aka maybe we're town, why doesn't he adjust his READ? This lack of read adjustment comes up later, when he confers with Ether on her read of us:

I'm not really clear why Ether has decided FD is town now. If she wants to explain, that's cool; otherwise, like I just said to Cayke, let Ether wander off and be a loose cannon pointed in one direction, we'll wander off and be a loose cannon pointed in the other direction, and the scum's got to start falling out of the trees one way or the other.

TO WHICH ETHER SAYS "AGM's reaction was townish, given Greymarble admitting the meta was false."

TO WHICH YOS SAYS:

...
Nothing. His next post, #260, does NOTHING to further debate our alignment with Ether. If Ether is OBVTOWN101, why is he dodging her read of us as Town? Why is he not debating her and trying to point out why he thinks we are scum to her, and why AGM's reaction was more scum than town?

He's fine to have all the BENEFITS of defending town, but none of the ACTUAL responsibilities that come with it:
Aka forming a bloc, discussing reads, etc.
BECAUSE HE HAS A FUCKING SCUMMY AGENDA TO ATTEND TO, SO HE CANT LEASH HIMSELF TO ETHER.

ALSO:

"Buddying" is a terrible scumtell. If someone is obviously town, and there's multiple people voting for them, I'm sure as hell going to say so. Giving reads on people who are town is a good idea anyway. In any case, pro-town people should work together, and when multiple pro-town people figure out each other's alignment and form a pro-town voting block, it makes it much harder for scum to win.

I don't know who ever came up with the idea "hey, whenever person A says person B is town it's scummy", but they were wrong. The whole taboo on defending someone or saying when you think they're town is just bad mafia theory.

-Yos

There's also this post, which is no better than FLUFFLOLTHEORY talking, convienetly a theory that DEFENDS HIS ACTIONS as town. Is having a townread or defending a town read a scumtell? No.

But when it makes up literally more than half of YosCayke's ISO, the intent is more clearly buddying that defending Ether. Ether was under no pressure at the time YosCayke makes such elaborate defenses of her.

Why? Because scum are starved at faking content. They have to post SOMETHING, and if its bull-shit it won't fly. So Yos posts what he CAN POST, an explanation of Ether-town's motives for her actions.
1. He's intimate with Ether, so this is easy content for him to post
2. It lures Ether into a false sense of security, having a nice white knight at her side at all times.

ALSO:
Ether asks Yos if she will vote him "when she votes real scum"
Yos doesn't respond to this. Is he unwilling to proxy his vote to town, but MORETHAN CONTENT to call her obvtown up and down the streets?



TLDR:
Most of YosCayke's can be summed up thusly:
1. Defending himself and his positions rather than scumhunting
2. Defending Ether extensively when she does not need it.
3. Chainsawing Ether, but not adjusting his reads in light of new content from his "top suspect" nor elaborating on why his read remains "scum"
4. Unwilling to have town on town relations with Ether, despite calling her town a thousand times

[Final Destination]

Why we think FES might be town:

He's stubbornly on our wagon, plus the fact that both Yos and FES remain on our wagon leads us to believe they are not scum together. Yosarian's "defense" (a running theme in his scumagenda) of FES makes us believe he is trying to white knight more wagonned townies to have in his pocket.

Aka: We've come to the conclusion that if only one of FES/YOS is scum, its Yos, and that MAYBE just MAYBE FES is town that actually is bullheaded and stupid enough to think we're scum for shitty reasons, but at least he BELIEVES IT and is willing to ARGUE IT. Whereas Yos dodged every chance he can to elaborate on why we're scum, or to colloborate with his Ethersextownbuddy on our alignment.

P.S.:
FES, get your act together if you're town. Seriously.

[AGM Approved]

[Final Destination]

Heh. You really don't like being voted, do you Fate?

The fact is, I voted you for legitimately scummy behavior on your part, and I don't intend to unvote you unless I have a better suspect, or a reason to think my earlier on you was wrong. Just because Ether looks town, doesn't mean I'm going to unvote you just because she did. I'll unvote you if and when I think it's the right thing to do; right now, the only people who I might willing to vote instead of you are some of the scummy looking lurkers, since we're probably dealing with lurkerscum here.

Honestly, your claim that I'm not scumhunting is just strange. I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game. All you've done has been a series of bad OMGUS votes on people; first on Ether, who's obviously town, then on Frog, who is also probably town, and now on me. That's not scumhunting, that's you flipping out on people because you don't like them voting for you.

-Yos

1. Ok, so we can scumhunt for the rest of the game but unless there's some magic "I AM TOWN" button, you see no reason to adapt your reads? BULLSHIT.
2. I didn't say you should unvote because Ether did, I said there's no EVIDENCE of you conferring with her on our read, you're avoiding debating it with her because you don't want to push her too hard, you rather just sit here and call her town.

I'm looking for scum on a wagon that was pushed to L-1, a wagon on TOWN. To say I'm flipping out on people who voted me is a wild understatement.

GEE I MUST BE BAD AT DIS HUH.

I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.

I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.

I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.

I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.

I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.

I went through and spent hours trying to get a read on every single person in the game.

But all you had to say about ME WAS

"scummy"

HOURS BULLSHIT MY ASS.

CAN WE GET A LYNCH ALL LIARS UP IN HERE? HE DIDNT SPEND HOURS MAKING THAT POST.

[NOT AGM APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

I change my reads and change my mind all the time. You haven't yet given me a good reason to change my mind about you, though. You just seem incredibly insulted that I didn't unvote you as soon as you posted content, which is odd, since my vote on you was never a lurker vote.

So, jumping off the FES wagon, who has more support and you you think is TOWNTOWNLOL, to vote YOU doesn't change your mind? I can't see you actually reading the game and THINKING THINGS THROUGH, so yeah, your reads aren't changing as fluidly as they would be as town.

What is this? I don't even...

Do you usually "confer" with people you think are town but who disagree with you on your reads before you cast a vote?

The fuck? When did we say that? We found it odd you weren't DEBATING your read on us with Ether, since we're apparently your top scumread who's done all sorts of "legit scummy" things... but you're not willing to contest this with Ether. You don't wanna get in a fight with a townie you have deep in your pocket.

Like I said, I decided to not take a narrow focus, and to go back and do an ISO on the about half of the people in the game I had no read on at all. The point of that post wasn't to repeat myself on points I'd already made or reads I already had, either about you, or about Dana, or about Ether, ect. And, yes, since you really seem so concerned about the time, for whatever reason, I'll tell you that it took about 2 hours, I was working on post from 4:30 to about 6:30 (with just a brief break to respond to a weird attack on me from US).

You did not spend two hours making an ISO on that many people in a game this size, AND TO ONLY have "scummy" as your reasoning for why your vote was on this slot. You. Did. Not.

Are you seriously claiming that if I am *gasp* defending myself, that that's a scumtell?

Yes, you defending yourself as a clear focus of your play, moreso than scumhunting, as well as your focus on budying people, is a scumtell. I'm not going to debate why scumtells are scumtells with you, because you'll obviously deny it.

Did someone hand you a checklist of scumtells before the game started, and dare you to make all of them before the end of day 1 or something?

-Yos

For all mention of all these "Scumtells" we've been committing... you hardly GO INTO DETAIL on them. When was the last time you actually added to your case on us? Our case on you grows with every post, yet last time you said we did something scummy was:

1. Final Destination's vauge support for the Dana wagon, which they were unwilling to back up with a vote, seemed scummy. Their "I didn't know the game was serious yet" defense was also somewhat scummy.

2. The OMGUS "WELL FINE WE'LL POST IN ALL CAPS VOTE UNICORN" response by Almaster was worse. The meta argument may or may not be strong, but it was certanly a good enough reason for a early day 1 vote.

3. The OMGUS vote by Fate on Ether/Patrick here is even worse then that. Ether is clearly obvtown here, that should be obvious to anyone reading the thread.

A full 20 some odd ISO posts ago, and YET:
1. I already explained how "we didn't know the game was serious yet" was due to me and AGM not yet having had time to sit down together and work on a post, you can't argue that this is scummy.
2. Almaster's response has already been viewed by multiple people (including ETHERTOWNLOLOL) as a townish reaction to claimed bullshit meta. We got put at L-1 very early for very bullshit reasons before we even had so much as enough time to post thoughts on the game. Yes, AGM was pissed, and he reacted accordingly.
3. OMGUS votes, keep using that word to try and paint looking for scum on one's own L-1 wagon as scummy... We've already shown how Ether's actions were INDEED shady at the time (her interaction with Gummy) and also how our limited meta of Ether would prevent us from making an easy off the bat "obvtown" read on her. I know its easier for you to read her as town as SCUM, since you know that ALL Her actions are town motivated and can see them more clearly... but for those of us with no buddies in our role PMs we actually DONT see everyone's motives as clear, since we know that anyone who posts could be scum.


So are those three the "list of scumtells" that we've been rushing to commit? OR are you going to try and scrap up some more bullshit ones and FINALLY out yourself with weak reasoning?

We're waiting.

We're also saddened at the lack of traction the Yoswagon is gaining, given JokeTrod's tunneling on FES, and now even Etherknight defending Yos... but we will PRESS ON.

BALAM! FROSTY! DO NOT THINK YOS IS TOWN BECAUSE YOS HAS "Logic"! ITS EASY TO HAVE LOGIC WHEN CALLING PEOPLE HE KNOWS ARE TOWN ARE TOWN, WHICH IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF HIS PLAY. LOOK AT THE LOGICAL HOLES IN THEONLY MISLYNCH HES FELT LIKE PUSHING THIS GAME-ON US! LOOK AT IT AND BEHOLD THE SCUMBAGGERY!

[AGM Approved]

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Holy fuck ... Reck and dram, replace out or post. There's really nothing more to say at this point with so much input missing.

[Fate Approved]

[Final Destination]

What' that you say AGM? You're gonna be gone all week?

HEHEAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTE: FROGITO ERGO SCUM

[Final Destination]

I think I'm just going to start posting as this not having an account thing is getting mighty long in the tooth.

Is an important thing to note RE: Vote issue. I think it should be allowed, but its TBM's game -shrug.

Vote: Untrod Stranger

I have decided this is the best place for our vote right now. Everyone needs to post a bit more imo.

-Cayke.

This is easily the worse vote on that terri-bad UStranger lynch. I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.

BUT the fact that Cayke made the vote makes me feel better, because if Yos had said "ok time to follow Ether onto a mislynch" it would've been MUCH worse than Cayke doing it. Obviously this coulda been planned in the hydra "you make the vote itll make more sense" but I'll go with Occam's Razor that Cayke's town read on me prevailed and she got Yos to agree to switch.


SO THAT LEAVES FROGGY:

[Final Destination]

(whoops apparently AGM isn't leaving until Tuesday >_>)

#323 is bad, #328 is good. More content later.

323 was BW;s post:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2862107
Who pushed on YosCayke (FES' buttbuddy)

328 was GreyMarble:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2862442
Who was pushing the mislynch (retrospect) of US.

So disagreeing with stance taken against townpocketbuddy (YosCayke townflip pending)
+
Agreeing with popular bandwagon,

without a bandwagon vote

When the FUCK have you ever seen a CEStown not on the main wagon d'jour? Especially one he AGREES with? For a tactical bandwagon hopper he sure has tunneled on me a fuck of a lot,

AND

He said 323 was bad yesterday, however he forGOES a BW wagon today (ala Balam's vote)... a wagon just RIPE for information. But he passes it up to vote park?

This ain't Town behavior, there's no scumhunting motive behind it. He is just sticking with his vote on us it because nobody is bothering to refute it or call him out for it (and in fact, YosCayke is even praising it).

AKA:
FES is making a vote he feels comfortable with carrying over from yesterday. He has no original content, which he PROMISED "later" in the post. Empty promising scumbag right here.

[AGM Approved]

[Final Destination]

I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.

Bullshit.

This is a lie. You were voting YosCayke and pushing their wagon for most of Day 1 and you were still doing it at the end.

Its not a lie, but you're right. We spent more time on AIM saying "holy fuck both Yos and FES are scummy, who do we vote?" than we did in thread. We figured ONE of you two was scum, and were fence-sitting on that issue, but by NO MEANS AT ALL were we going to say "well if Yos is scum->FES town->>>>US=scum" because FES was scummy enough in his own right that US was townish for attacking him.

Ah AGM found it:

Aka: We've come to the conclusion that if only one of FES/YOS is scum, its Yos, and that MAYBE just MAYBE FES is town that actually is bullheaded and stupid enough to think we're scum for shitty reasons, but at least he BELIEVES IT and is willing to ARGUE IT. Whereas Yos dodged every chance he can to elaborate on why we're scum, or to colloborate with his Ethersextownbuddy on our alignment.

P.S.:
FES, get your act together if you're town. Seriously.

[AGM Approved]

MAYBE FES is town, not "FES IS TOWN US IS SCUM" that was never our stance. We knew it was implausible you were BOTH scum (besides are read on both of you being scum) but at that time we wanted to go the YosCayke direction and gave you some ROPE to pull yourself/hangyourself/be useful.

You have taken said rope and tied it around you head and said LOLHERPDERP. This has tipped our scumreadscales to you over YosCayke for the SCUMZORS on our wagon.

Question: Do you disagree that #323 and #328 are bad and good posts respectively?

I have a gut town read on #23. Partly because I think I know who part of that hydra is.

yes #328 is goodposting because GreyMarble is townish from our reads.

But ok... so you're saying unless you say somethign CONTROVERSIAL that I DISAGREE with we can't find you scum? That seems to be what you're implying, that because "well what I SAID wasn't wrong, was it?" that somehow constitutes as a defense of TOWN motivation in your posts. You're wrong, and scum.

We intended to get in a good post (i.e. not a one-liner like that one) later, but then the Day ended.

Ok, then NIGHT ended, and was THIS your good post?:

however we (and particularly the Fonz head) think that the QT-posting thing, given that it would likely be disastrous for scum, is an enormous towntell.

Isn't "Quoting your hydra qt is fine." just the naïve go-to position? We think it's a town tell because it suggests there are things in the qt that they want to quote, but not because they held the wrong position re: hydra QTs.

Vote: Final Destination

FUCK NO.

Die scum.

<3
Fate and AGM.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Hmm. I obviously leaped to a conclusion there, but it's ambiguous - US is tangential to that what he's talking about and the supposed relation between our alignment and YosCayke's is clearly established in FD's posting. In any case it's still a lie - at the end of the day he was advocating that YFC was scum and that by associative tells we weren't.

Associative tells is the key word - you were still being a total scumbag, but we had doubts your duo would be scum together, and our read on Yos was stronger so we temporarily put you in the "not worrying about it" category. But then Yos finished the day with a strong town pull and you finished by being even more scummy. So that read flip-flopped. We just never got the chance to post it because there was a quickwagon derrrrp.

And then the morning hit, and we made our stance abundantly clear. So stop acting like "OMG FD is making stuff up!" Our advocacy is 100% clear ALL. THE. TIME.

Also, it's really telling how bad your vote is that it's all predicated on "yeah, but's." E.g., You say something that's wrong, somebody tells you its wrong, and then you go, "Yeah, but what about THISSS!"

[FATE APPROVED]

You derpa AGM.


BTW I just realized something that probably is a SIGNIFICANT difference of one letter:

This is easily the worse vote on that terri-bad UStranger lynch. I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, a

L

a our stance on FES being scum yesterday.

That was a derpa slip that lead to the confusion of where we stand.

AKA implies that "Yeah given our stance on FES being scum yesterday"

ALA is like "to go with the FES scum read we had [in our aim chats]" its much less strong, and the implication that we were STRONG ADVOCATES OF FROG DEATH D1 isn't there.

Ala is what I meant, anyway, and I'm glad to see that my#379 also cleared things up.

Copper is :goodposting: as to be expected. Can't say I find any fault in his analysis, but I should stop talking without AGM

>_>
<_<

(AGM we might need to rethink our stance on Beaver. FES is still a stronger scum read tho)

[Final Destination]

NOW AGMS GONE AND I GET TO PLAY.

The case against FES is that he is either hampering town or a SCUMBAG, more likely the latter given the player's within's standing at being somewhat competent players.

I mean, have they commented SWEETFUCKALL on other people other than an occasional? "This post is bad, This post is good" with even still a later QUALIFIER that bad posts aren't even scummy!

FUCKIN

KILL

IT

WITH

FIRE

[Final Destination]

FINE COPPER

roast it slowly over a nice flame until tender...


THEN KILL IT

[Final Destination]

@Greymarble, easy. Fate is very aggressive and active as town. Final Destination has not been aggressive or especially active. There's ample scum motive since his town style is hard to emulate and furthermore, we've seen him try to clean up his act in Wait your turn, Tex and the difference wasn't nearly as big there. So yep, that's a good meta-based argument.

IM GLAD YOU LINKED THAT

The reasons we had for voting Final Destination yesterday still hold. In particular, his SHOCK and HORROR at HOW DARE PEOPLE VOTE ME is so awkward and

over the top it simply doesn't look honest.

POINTS FOR WHO SPOTS THE SCUMBAG.

Seriously this is just laughable at this point. and OH GOODIE BW leaves so the game will stall a bit but hopefully we'll get some COMPETENCE in that fuckin slot.

My god the scum qt looks like this:
WALP I'm goin down today or maybe not-FES
DONT LINK YOURSELF TO ANYONE! Just keep your head down and tunnel FD
Said tunnel is going to get me run up more though...-FES
SO WHAT! We;re look sexy after you flip, and HEY maybe since we have YOS in our pocket still, he'll defend you all the way because he'll WIFOM himself into "FES wouldn't play this badly as scum..." and you'll get through with minimal damage!
*shrug* I'll do some light fake distancing on DaSpot too, I've been working on that link for awhile now, so he'll be an easy mislynch after I die. If I don't see yo utomorrow night, GL-FES
So who to kill? LEts get rid of one of these "derpamasonbuddies" they're bound to get on the right track eventualy.
Let's have Ether dead obviously, we can distract FD with Yos still, and have those two fight it out and lurk through
OH FUCK COPPER IS REPLACING IN
[Dutch Plug-in missing]...-FES
God help us all. Should we just NK him now?
Nah that'll show that scum are in a favorable position and don't want the game read with a new perspective, plus its CRUEL-You know who
K, I got my FD tunnel shirt on, let's do this-FES

DAY 2 DAWN BREAKS

"Yo, I'm scum and I'm ready to be bussed. Watch as I provide no content and respond to no cases on me except those I think I can refute, and link myself with DaSpot in subtle ways" -FES
"YOURE DAMN RIGHT YOURE GONNA BE BUSSED. I SAW THE LIGHT AND YOS IS TOWN AND YOURE THE SCUMBAG"-Fate
"Nope.jpg. Rage more though, it'll make people side with me more heheheh"
"WITH AGM GONE I THINK I WILL FUCKIN RAGE MORE.

OH BUT WAIT...I THOUGHT MY LACK OF RAGE WAS THE REASON IM SCUM?"-Fate
"Meh, I don't even remember my "case" on you anymore, its so flimsy I'm surprised I haven't been quicklynched yet and US got lynched over me yesterday. I'll just ignore it unless an Yosbuddy asks me to provide an updated case on you or something"-FESSCUM
"HEHAHEHAHAEHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOURE SO DEAD!"

[Endscene, fade to black]

[Final Destination]

-_-

DaSpot, townhunting is legitimate. As for scumhunting he has his suspect d'jour, even

I

have mentioned only one suspect today and its for a reason.

FES on the other hand has...

has.... his out-dated vote on me, who YOU think is town.
and a secondary bullshit suspicion on YOU who you KNOW is town.

Get your ass back on the right wagon. This day is ONLY stalling because of BW replacement and Lord Gurgi/GB content.

FES is the lynch.

[Final Destination]

Fuck your CES town meta. I'm WELL AWARE of how CES plays. His town wagon hopping has a purpose.

He hasn't wagon hopped since he jumped on mine, and he hasn't left it or contributed anything useful to this thread.

And you're giving him a pass because of meta? What the HELL. "CES town jumps on wagon as towns, ergo herpderp if he does it EVER hes town" Yos is usually scum when he use shittastic reasoning. Still feel better about FES though

[Final Destination]

PARAMA?

[Final Destination]

PARAMA?

calling FES TOWN?

THATS A 100% SOLID SCUMTELL RIGHT THERE. PARAMA IS ALWAYS FUCKING HORRIBLE WITH READS. HE GETS SOME SORT OF TWISTED FUCKING JOY OUT OF CALLING MY SCUMREADS 100% TOWN AND THEN BEING COMPLETELY AND HORRIBLY WRONG WHEN THEY FLIP.

OH AND LOOK NOW AT FES SCROUNGING UP SOME CONTENT BY SCUMHUNTING A RETARDED HYDRA.

*GOLFCLAP*

[Final Destination]

Town mislynch+Vig fodder. Dies before LyLo, not sooner not later.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Hi, this is the AGM head checking back in. Nice to see that Fate has kept things under control while I was gone. And by under control, I mean not really. Now that we've each had our chance to rage, hopefully we can keep things equalized from now on.

In any case, though, FES has certainly not reduced his scumminess. I'll talk things over with Fate and see if we've got anything else important to say.

[Final Destination]

Vote: Copper

Badposting.

Hey I wonder if REAPER is the one that voted the most pro-town player in the game to satisfy his own ego! "Fufufufufuuf I Caught COPPERSCUM!"

Yeah no. Stop wasting our fucking time.

[Final Destination]

82 HOURS IS APPARENTLY LESS THAN GREATER THAN STRINGING V/LAS TOGETHER AND PROMISING EMPTY BULLSHIT.

YOU FUCKIN HAPPY TBM?

Not yet, I still need to get Unicorns posting again, why there is this level of actvity in a hydra game boggles my mind.

WHEN WE GET OUR FES LYNCH WE"LL HAVE SHIT TO SAY.

UNTIL THEN:

NOTHANX.JPG

OH NO INB4 FONZI PLAYS POST POLICE. WHAT A FUCKIN USELESS "ROLE" THATS NOT A THANKLESS JOB ITS A NULL JOB THAT DOESNT INVOLVE HUNTING SCUM

[Final Destination]

[FUCKING RUM APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Fate and I are both exhausted, so it'll be a bit before we get another SYNC POST up. In the meantime, there's lots of walls, there's lots of information, there's lots of reads. We need a flip. FES is that flip. Go go go.

[Fate Approved]

[Final Destination]

Are you fucks SERIOUSLY arguing about meta technicalities in an already text heavy game?

Hell. No.

[Final Destination]

AGM and I don't even know what to say anymore.

Unfortunately we're not like Copper, and can comment on EVERYTHING that happens and give reads out like candy.

We want FES dead. Everything other than that is a distraction. We're not interested in derailing our own wagon, nor do we feel the need to add any more fuel to it, since FES' posts don't even amount to anything that can be scumhunted anymore.

We DO see a couple of various connections between Balam, Fonzi, and Copper, but these things will be played out and discussed by us when we have proper motivation to do as such.

That motivation will NOT come while FES still breathes.

We like Balam's most recent depcition of the situation: FES tunnels us weakly, leaving room for a Daspot wagon as an escape route, then BAM look what happens? He hops on the Daspot wagon.

Daspot is just dripping of mislynch. His wagon is "hot for scum" as AGM put it.

As far as Parama goes, he's town if FES is scum. That's just how Parama's shitforreads work.

Enough rehashing of things though, even though we haven't posted content in a week or more I still feel like I'm just repeating myself at this point on several issues.

[AGM Approved]

[Final Destination]

Needless to say, I find it more than mildly amusing that I'm the only player who is apparently competent enough to post in his hydra at all times.

[Final Destination]

Needless to say, I find it more than mildly amusing that I'm the only player who is apparently competent enough to post in his hydra at all times.

O RLY?

"Hi my name is Fate and every time AGM chats me on AIM I say "yo" and then evaporate for 3 hours HURR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR but maybe if I post in fancy italics people will think I'm large n' in charge."

Anyway, lets lynch FES and then we can go be one big happy again.

Unicorn Brethren can GTFO.

[Final Destination]

Needless to say, I find it more than mildly amusing that I'm the only player who is apparently competent enough to post in his hydra at all times.

O RLY

Did I see you raise your hand? Just because you're obvtown doesn't mean you're allowed to talk smack.

[Final Destination]

The contents of that post, if you remember, were "Fate Tag" and was done on purpose so I could view it from my main account.

Not

"LET ME POST ON EVERY ACCOUNT BUT MY HYDRA FOR THIS GAMLOLOLZOLZOLZ"

[Final Destination]

Unvote

Not lynching without marble input here.

Really? That's scummy? 'Cause that reads like town in a tunnel trying to derail the wagons that aren't theirs to me.

What you're saying here is that townies will lie about how townie someone else is just to get their favorite lynch through. That's a surprising claim, and one I don't believe. What makes you feel this way?

Copper... failure. Town in a tunnel can and will dismiss weak evidence for other wagons to push their favorite wagon. Fate does it all the time, witness his tunnel on FES.

More to the point, you are suggesting that its evidence that he's scummy because he dismissed evidence against his scumbuddy. I.E. you are presuming knowledge

based on a flip you do not have.

If you believe that SVT is independently scummy enough to lynch, and that danaspot is the likely partner, lynch SVT and if he flips town you'll know you have a null tell.

But I am not sure that's really the point at all.

I'll put my vote here for now.

Vote: Copper

Hi. The Unicorns are out for blood.

We will be happy with goring any of the following:

-DaSpotthatkillsu (<deadweight/scum)
-Greymarble (<scum)
-FinalDestination (<kickingscreamingweight)
-Mystery player (<obvscum)

The unicorns are out of brains.11

Copper was fucking excellent posting, <3 whoever the hell makes up that hydra.

BTW, this hydra has a natural flow because all the posts stem from a single source

Unvote

No more fucking unicorn hammers

You're preaching to the choir on lurking being a scumtell. I've made that argument myself. And I just don't see it for Gummybear.

Doing a solid reread now.

MEH

NO

I HAVE QUESTION NOW. QUESTION BE ANSWERED

THEN VOTE. TOMORROWS VOTE MAY BE DECIDED BY QUESTION

So why spot? Honestly, why flip to him? I just don't feel this spot = scum bit. Or this FD = scum, but that's less relevant.

I'll put together a case Copper, but at the moment you are scummy because you are pushing a weak case far harder than it deserves. LAL on daspot when he explained the difference between lurking and what he thought BW was doing? Weaksauce. Too hard for too little - that was an honest read, and you yell LAL?

FES town is MUCH weaker, but spotty is TOWN. And on top of that you are overplaying a weak hand for your case. I dun like it copper.

NOPE TRY AGAIN

[Final Destination]

Final Destination

: You disappeared for 4 days and XX pages. Got anything to add besides some shit about who's posting as what account?

NO. WE"RE NOT FUCKIN IN THE MOOD.

THIS GAME HAS TURNED INTO A LURKINGDERPFEST. GUMMY AND SINGERBEAR SING AND DANCE IN OTHER THREADS AND SCUMCHAT ALL FUCKIN DAY LONG AND THEY CAN"T BE ARSED TO POST A SINGLE CONTENT CATCHUP POST HERE.

IF THERE IS NOT SCUM BETWEEN THEM AND FES THERE WILL BE NO END TO OUR RAGE.

YOSCAYKES LATEST HARDCORE DEFENSE OF FES GIVES US SECOND THOUGHTS AS WELL, AS IF HE KNOWS FES' TOWNFLIP WILL CONDEMN HIM VIA POE (BECAUSE YOS IS DEFSCUM IF FES IS SOMEHOW SPACETOWN)

SO YEAH, WE HAVE THE CHOICE OF STALLING THE GAME TO FUCK AND BACK AND GOING OFF ON SOME OTHER TANGENT, OR STICKIN TO OUR GUNS, OR LYNCHING LURKBAGS.

WE"RE STICKIN TO FES

AND HE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED INT A CLAIM/HAMMERED.

LIKE WEVE BEEN SAYING FOR WHAT FEELS LIKE WEEKS.

GOD

DAMN

IT.

[RAGE AND AGM APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

Unvote:
Vote: Gummybear

HEheh

heHEHEHe

EHAHEHAEHAEHHAEHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


"You guys cant lynch me I wasnt a main wagon all today >_>
<_<"

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE BABY

[NO ONE APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

ANY GAME THAT HAS "FATE WINS" IN THE TITLE IS WELL WORTH A READ


FUHHEAHHAHAHAHAHA

[Final Destination]

Says the clown that can't post in the right account.

[Final Destination]

We are loathe to let FES live.

AGM and I were tossing around the idea though that Yos was hard defending FESTown because he knew he'd get PoE'd by us if FES flipped town.

Yoscayke's bullshit linking of Gummy bear, AS WELL AS Unicorn's bullshit linking= scumteam call time:

Yos
Gummy
Unicorn Brethren

This is my guess, and yes it doesn't involve that intractable SOB FES, but it makes sense holistically. Gummy starts going down in a flash because not enough scum were pushing the FES wagon, and it was stallin, and Balam town had enough and started the train on Gummy. Greytown follows, I follow, Gummy looks to be going down HARD: Yoscarykce and UB start linking her alignment to other townies (DaSpot in particular)

Makes sense to me.

Let's FUCKING DO THIS FINALLY

[Final Destination]

^Not AGM approved

[Final Destination]

Daspot, stop fucking posting.

As your top #1 town read in this thread, please listen to me and stop posting.

YosCayke is scum, yes, that fact will not go ignored by me. I'm not likely to die tonight anyway, so you can bet your ass I'll be on him in the morning. If not, well YOU certainly won't die and you can push him then.

In the meantime GummyBear is ALSO scum. Look now how she appeals to AGM "When's he coming back so you can move your vote off us!?? SRSLY"

AGM's already approved this vote, and all the posts I have made so far. Course it was retroactive approval since we haven't been on the same time lately, but its good enough. Our reads are in SYNCMODE and we are loving this Gummy lynch.

And yes I'd like to replace UB with Lord Fonzi now if I could, AGM talked about him awhile back but it isn't something I'll go into detail about today.

[Final Destination]

Wait...

You REALLY thought Marble was on the Blue scumteam? And that I was his buddy?

LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLO
LOLOLO
OLOLOOL
LOL
L

OLOLO

LOLO

That deserves a policy lynch right there. Hell DASPOTS reads are better than that.

Admit it, you were just tunneled and pissed your pants when I called you and DBE out as scum immediately.

[Final Destination]

Aw so you're mad that our vote was reasonless?

Why do you need REASONS? TO defend against?

Because... you're SCUM who wants to defend themselves?

Its certainly not because you want to get a READ on our alignment, you've already called us town and tried to buddy. So THATS not why you want to here the reasons.

BTW the reasons are in this post, and it isn't an elaborate breadcrumb, its as clear as day.

You've cared only about defending yourself, and you've shown no interest in finding scum. You've taken "stances" on issues so that things can move forward and townies can be lynched, but you've never given this game the TIME or INTEREST that a Town hydra would approach it with. You even have the gall to say "This game fucking blows" when your hydra itself is nearly 30% of the reason there's no content or nothing to debate.

Then you SCUM IT UP in here and say "let's only have these two wagons to completion. I think ONE of them is on scum, so yeah, let's lynch them both back to back pl0x."

"Oh wait, you guys are voting me? Thats STUPID! We haven't had a wagon on us all day!"

NO SHIT BECUASEY OU HAVENT POSTED A GODDAMN THING OF INTEREST IN MONTHS

"WHAaaaa SCUMPLAININGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG"


HEHEHAHAHAH DIE SCUM DIE.

[Final Destination]

OH JOY.

THEY CLAIMED VANILLA TOWNIE!!!

NOW THE GAME WONT STALL

HAMMER ==========[ ]


(Btw Yoscayke is online right now... Oh he better ninja me with a vote on Gummy to salvage his town points. LYNCH ALL VANILLAS AINT THAT RIGHT YOS?

YOU INVENTED IT. YOUR OWN META HAS YOU IN A CORNER. YOU HAVE TO BUS! LOLOLOLOLOL)

[Final Destination]

OOOOOH missed the chance to vote GummyVT and salvage your scumminess, SPECIALLY since we got a day to deadline.

O WELL.

And you're calling me scum because my reads are BAD? How the FUCK can you compare D1 of a hydra game to D2 of a game I replaced in as?

Replacements by default have 10000% (real statistic) better reads then people stuck in the psyche of a game. I know I do anyway, which is why when I replaced in I guaranteed I'd nail at least three scum. I make no similar promises in any of my other games, "OH HAI ITS D1 MAH NAMES FATE AND ILL BELYNCHIN SCUM TODAY GUARANTEEDZ" though it does happen more often than most others, nowhere near enough to promise. Plus in this hydra game dynamics are so far different (US wasn't even my lynch choice, do you know HOW LONG its been since a lynch went through without my approval?) that there's no way in FUCK you can compare the games.

Aka

"Lolscum usin meta"

[Final Destination]

I don't like where this lynch is going but yes I have to concede gummy's scummyness

FD... please... promise me?

FES or Yoscayke tomorrow?

PLEASE?

<3

YOU SERIOUSLY THINK OUR READS ARE GOING ANYWHERE?

FES' LATEST POST ONLY MAKES ME WANT TO PUT BULLETS IN HIM THAT MUCH QUICKER.

BUT WE WILL NOT BE DISSUADED FROM THE RIGHTEOUS WAGON THAT IS THE GLORIOUS GUMMY LYNCH.

INCOG IS TOWN AS IT GETS, AS WAS SVT. SCUM ARE IN THE "LOLBEAVERSCUM" PUSHERS.

OH WAIT FES AND YOS WERE IN THERE.

HERPADERPA.

LETS GET OUR GUMMY LYNCH ON.

@"LOL GUMMY GAVE YUP AT L-1 THEY MUST BE TOWNNN": LOLNO.

[AGM APPROVED]
[ALCOHOL INSPIRED]

[Final Destination]

Meh, FES definitely will.

Copper has been demoted to VERY bad feeling land. The land I take people shortly before I strangle them.

Okay, hold the lines. Fate:

Copper
YFC
Fonzi

Scale of 1-10, what would you rate it?

UH WUT

COPPPER-7
YFC-1
FONZI-3

OR OSMETHIN LIEK DAT

[Final Destination]

THIS HYDRA WILL NEVER VOTE COPPER OUTSIDE OF LYLO.

SO SHUTTHEFUCK UP.

ONLY REASON HE'S NOT A 10 IS THE NITPICKS HE'S DONE OF OUR PLAY AND THE WAY HE SLOWROLLS JUS TABOUT EVERYGODDAMN VOTE.

SPEAKING OF SLOWROLLING

..

DID I TELL YOU FUCKS HOW LUCKY I GOT TONIGHT?

I MEAN SERIOUSLT

[Final Destination]

FinalDestination is not getting lynched today. Even if he is scum, your vote is not helping to lynch scum. You VOTE: FES


We were reading the game during night. Check this out:

We would compromise onto a daspot wagon.

We would compromise onto a daspot wagon.

We would

compromise

onto a daspot wagon.

We would

compromise

onto a daspot wagon.

Vote: Spot

There's no way FES is town. He just isn't. He has no direction, actual content, scumreads of any sorts. When he hammered GB me and AGM were like "welp.. guess she's flipping town."

Yesterday he had to "compromise" onto a spot lynch, today he starts pushing it ???? Because of ????

Let's look more in depth at that post:

Frankly none of our top suspects have a lot of votes.

We're not going to compromise onto a wagon we view as strictly worse than our current wagon unless we have some pressing reason to - either because we believe the pressure will give interesting reactions or because there's a deadline or because the wagon isn't that much worse than our current one.

We would compromise onto a daspot wagon.

We may have been 3rd in the vote count for FES but who came up with that good as balls case? hmmm... oh right us.

If you're going to make this claim, back it up.

P.S. Yes, you were pushing the wagon.

Frogito Ergo Sum, in post 450, you pointed out a number of things from DaSpotthatkillsu's behavior toward Unicorn Brethren early on Day 1. Would the possibility that those 3 posts you linked in the first paragraph came from 2 different heads make any difference to your read?

'
No, it makes no difference to our read. We actually discussed it together when discussing daspot and came to the conclusion that one head is probably backtracking for the other's awful position.

None of their top suspects had a lot of votes. This suggests that, us FD, are his TOP suspect. But today? After suspicion was placed on us by Fonzi or whomever because of GB's flip? He doesn't even so much as glance our direction.

FES needs death, soon.

[LULZ AGM APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

We were reading the game during night. Check this out:

We would compromise onto a daspot wagon.

We would compromise onto a daspot wagon.

We would

compromise

onto a daspot wagon.

We would

compromise

onto a daspot wagon.

Vote: Spot

There's no way FES is town. He just isn't. He has no direction, actual content, scumreads of any sorts. When he hammered GB me and AGM were like "welp.. guess she's flipping town."


Yesterday he had to "compromise" onto a spot lynch, today he starts pushing it ???? Because of ????

Let's look more in depth at that post:

Frankly none of our top suspects have a lot of votes.

We're not going to compromise onto a wagon we view as strictly worse than our current wagon unless we have some pressing reason to - either because we believe the pressure will give interesting reactions or because there's a deadline or because the wagon isn't that much worse than our current one.

We would compromise onto a daspot wagon.

We may have been 3rd in the vote count for FES but who came up with that good as balls case? hmmm... oh right us.

If you're going to make this claim, back it up.

P.S. Yes, you were pushing the wagon.

Frogito Ergo Sum, in post 450, you pointed out a number of things from DaSpotthatkillsu's behavior toward Unicorn Brethren early on Day 1. Would the possibility that those 3 posts you linked in the first paragraph came from 2 different heads make any difference to your read?

'
No, it makes no difference to our read. We actually discussed it together when discussing daspot and came to the conclusion that one head is probably backtracking for the other's awful position.

None of their top suspects had a lot of votes. This suggests that, us FD, are his TOP suspect. But today? After suspicion was placed on us by Fonzi or whomever because of GB's flip? He doesn't even so much as glance our direction.

FES needs death, soon.

[Final Destination]

Sure. You're town, your top suspect is at L-1, someone else on the wagon and unvotes him and moves to another player who had a vote on him already. Do you a) Try to dissuade people from the counterwagon, re-iterating why the original target is still scummy or b) join the counterwagon?

FES had been at L-1 for what felt like weeks. No one was budging, no scum was bussing. He wasn't fakeclaiming. We were all just stalling out in LURKFEST. When Balam voted off FES onto Gummy, and another townread soon followed, me and AGM said "why the fuck not? Let's jumpstart this game."

We then pushed the fuck out of Gummy, who had been a liability all game long at that point. We do not regret our vote on the Gummy wagon, and felt that it generated plenty of information for use later on in the game.

The following posts were made consecutively:

WE"RE STICKIN TO FES

AND HE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED INT A CLAIM/HAMMERED.

LIKE WEVE BEEN SAYING FOR WHAT FEELS LIKE WEEKS.

Unvote:
Vote: Gummybear

HEheh

heHEHEHe

EHAHEHAEHAEHHAEHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


"You guys cant lynch me I wasnt a main wagon all today >_>
<_<"

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE BABY

[NO ONE APPROVED]

Those two posts were made OVER 40 HOURS APART. Yeah, we jumped ship. Yeah we didn't have any ammo left to RAGE for a FES wagon. Why? Because he minimilastic scum postings, and there's only SO MANY FUCKIN TIMES we can yell "LYNCH FES HES OBVSCUM AND USELESS LYNCH FES AND KILL HIM NOW" before it just loses its appeal and it becomes apparent no one more will be convinced to vote/buss FES without further scummy posts or from FES or flips.

So we made flips. A flip on a lurker that had done sweet fuck all. A flip of Grey.

And here we are, STILL starting FES scum in the face. Now we have more of a case though. He comes right out the gate onto the easy lynch Spot, doesn't even so much as MENTION his scumread of us, nor comment on the wagon on him except to try and explain/defend his actions away.

UB read remains the same as it was: Moronic distraction calling everyone adn their sister scum so they can be "WE WERER IGHTZZZZZZZZZZ" at the end of the game or something. WELP I'll be sure to rub it in Reaper's face AGAIN that he fucked up his read on me.

[AGM Approved]

[Final Destination]

Unvote:

When AGM gets on, don't know if it will be today, but I'll explain why for this vote switch I'm thinking of.

Spoiler: Preview

UB is clearly town, not unreadable, but town.
Balam burns his town read like fire.
Voting Dynamics suggest something shady

[Final Destination]

Fuck if I'm gonna be Gummy2.0 I haven't seen AGM in a good three days and his modding is slacking

THIS ONES GOIN SOLO

VOTE: YOSCAYKE

[Final Destination]

The "Not Quite Top of the Page" Vote Count:
FrogErgoSum (5):

DaSpot, Greymarble, Final Destination,

Balam, LordFonzi
BeaverWeasel (2):, YosFlavouredCayke, Copper
Final Destination (1): FrogErgoSum

Not Voting (3): Gummybear, BeaverWeasel, Unicorn.

With eleven alive it's six to lynch.

The "Nightfall" Vote Count:
Gummybear (6): LordFonzi, Balam,

Final Destination, DaSpot, Greymarble,

FrogErgoSum
FrogErgoSum (2):

Gummybear, Profane Confusion

DaSpot (1): YosFlavouredCayke,
Copper (1):

Unicorn

Not Voting (1): Copper,

Vote Count:
Final Destination (3): Lord Fonzi, FES, YosFlavouredCayke
Frogito Ergo Sum (2):

DaSpot, Profane Confusion

YosFlavouredCayke (1):

Unicorn

Unicorn (1): Balam

Not Voting: Copper, Final Destination.

THE THING HERE IS: FES might be town. Fuck... Fuck me and FUCK HIM AND HIS POSTING BULLSHIT STYLE.

Look at yesterday
FrogErgoSum (5): DaSpot, Greymarble, Final Destination, Balam, LordFonzi

5 people perfectly content to sit on his wagon. DaSpot is town, I'm town, Grey was town. Balam/Fonzi.

But now LOOK AT TODAY:

Final Destination (3): Lord Fonzi, FES, YosFlavouredCayke

With Balam already approving the FD wagon.

What this means to me:

FES/FD is town on town. Scum couldn't CARE LESS which of us dies. Yesterday FES was all too easy to run up. So today? The day before LyLo? Scum go for the FD lynch. Then when I flip town its just cruise control "LOOKS LIKE FES WAS SCUM OUT OF FD/FES AFTERALL" and then power lynch FES in LyLo.

YosCayke is scum. His hard defending of FES just REEKS of White knighting. He basically just takes WHATEVER bullshti FES posts into the thread (and believe me, it HAS been bullshit or we wouldnt have been tunneled on them so long) and twists it to explain FES and say "See! Look at how townie FES is! He's the towniest town that ever towned!!!"

Again.
And again.

And now he dusts off his good old "FD suspicion" that he's been workin on since D1. Where was it D2? Oh yeah, NON-EXISTANT because we gave him a slight town read, so he BACKED OFF and said "well dont wanna piss them off while theyre tunneled on FES and think we're town."

And yeah, I whole heartedly agree with UB's NK speculation, and his recent goodposting. Course, the FES/FD I believe is a false dichotomy, and his meta of "FATE WAS BUSSIN JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT NICELY LATER" if I was bussing Id be BUSSING. I've never failed to get a scumbuddy lynched if that was my intention.. but yeah DERP whatever.

[Final Destination]

TOWN
Daspot-Highest townread in the land
UB-Pretty close, only eroded somewhat by his FES/FD lined up lynch which I know to be half false and likely false on FES (Yos+FES are not scum together imo, been sayin it since D1 and its pretty obvious)
Profane Confusion-Well he fooled me in a marathon game, but I got good vibes from Beaver that I can't explain, Parama whos easy to read, and they've good posted all the day.
Copper-Good postings, based on style, weakest town read
FES-Actual weakest town read, based only on PoE and interactions with others. Nothing they have posted has done sweet fuck all for town, they are just as bad as Gummy. Seriously when Daspot is playing better than you it might be time to re-evaluate your play

SCUM
YosCayke-White knighting FES for the longest damn time. Never seen any geniune scumhunting out of him. His suspects include me (LOL) and Daspot, who is OBVTOWNZ. He also wishes he could keep his Profane Confusions scumread since the Beaver days, but has nothing to push it on
Fonzi-Hasn't done much scumhunting aside from his "IM DA POST POLICE" which he never even followed up on. Started my mislynch wagon today because I switched off a deadFES wagon onto Gummy. Mentions nothing of others who did the same, his case consists of "I can't see town moving off their highest suspect" o rly? That's scum language right there. I explained clearly why I jumped off FES, his wagon was dying and he wasn't posting anything to MAKE a case on, so GM was a damn good alternative.
Balam-Threw his town read in the trash by saying "ok cool we'll lynch FD today. But we wanna PLynch UB today instead because they are playing stupid >_>b" No they aren't. I can read them just fine, if you were town you could to.


TAKE

IT

TO

THE

BANK

[Final Destination]

(add one of the reasons Fonzi is scum: perfectly content to sit on the FES wagon today and now is fine with my lynch. See: Scum lining up a FD-FES lynch to win the game since tomorrow is LyLo and FES should be cake to lynch then if I'm dead today. He's content with either lynch, aka makes me think we're both town)

[Final Destination]

CAN WE LYNCH FES TODAY???

PLEASE?

You wanted Yos dead REALLY badly yesterday, you remember why? He was pushing you fro crap reasons. Calling two people scum together that were both town to justify his vote (aka he was drawing connections because an ACTUAL case would be harder to muster against town).

Yos is scum. You know it to be true, let's kill 'em.


"But why would Yos kill Ether N1?"

Yos had basically cleared Etehr as town. No one was willing to lynch her, and he had no interest in keeping her around to "manipulate" in case she caught other buddies and made him bus. Ether was the obv-kill N1.


And then there's THIS post, which is a 100% solid tell in my experience:

[Final Destination]

This is a stupid discussion.

The following people are town so far:
Unicorns
Final Destination
DaSpot

Probably Yosarian, I guess.

r

I'm serious. When you've played with someone for XX years and know their game inside and out, you can read them as obvtown easily enough, and go on an alliance rampage through the game.

But Ether. HESITATED

Something was off. I mean "sure" this is how Yos "usually" plays, and he had her read as town correctly... but something was weird. Something about Yos' motives and posting and the stances he took.

Ether noticed it.

She said "meh, I guess he's town for now..."

But deep down.

She knew.

[Final Destination]

Surge?

You have played with me before right?

With AGM Mia, I could either LURKFEST it up, or catch fuckin scum like I do best.

Yeah, those three yesterday were derpa. But HEY I gotta see flips and adjust accordingly, and Gummy sure as hell was the KING OF NULL and you weren't much of a precense at ALL yesterday IIRC. Aka just the wild card I threw in there because yesterday was such a lurkfest any shots on the scumteam were guaranteed to miss.

TODAY THOUGH

IS A DAY

FOR JUSTICE

[Final Destination]

LOL

"FD posts wall of stuff"

YosResponse:
"You lurk like hell then post when people vote you"


L
O
L

[Final Destination]

If I had free reign I'd be posting every damn day. As it stands I signed up as ahydra so I usually wait for AGM and we make a joint post.

He's disappeared, so I post.

THIS HAS BEEN THE ACTUAL PATTERN

Me posting when I'm tired of our hydra's lurkin and waiting for AGM as our schedules don't mesh well.

[Final Destination]

(Equinox)

Hey, you two! What's going through your collective minds right now? What are your thoughts here about Mr. Yosarian2?

No collective thoughts right now. We're still in disagreement about half of the player list (Final Destination, Frogito Ergo Sum, Lord Fonzi, YosFlavouredCayke). I think our vote is on Unicorn Brethren at the moment; I still support that vote and RayFrost expressed support as of early Saturday morning, so there it stays.

I've been spending all of my time on a different game, so I'm not caught up in this thread at the moment. Not sure what else I can tell you.

As for YosFlavouredCayke, I'm torn because the stuff they've done make little sense to me as scum (i.e., NKs). AGar and RayFrost disagree (for the same reason, oddly enough). AGar has been V/LA, so we haven't had the chance to discuss this as a group. What I will say, though, is that RayFrost had made a post specifically for YosFlavouredCayke to respond to, and their lack of acknowledgment (as far as I'm aware)... guh, not sure how to take that, really, but it annoys me because we need that response..

I mean, if this isn't SCUMBUDDY FENCE SIT I just don't know waht is.


"well our buddy doesn't make sense because of the NKs... yeah. The NKs clear Yos."

L
O

Fuckin

L

[Final Destination]

That said, any town credit FD gets for that point he immediately wastes by trying to spin Ether's "Probably Yosarian, I guess" comment into a scum tell.

You're a special kind of fuckin something aren't you?

So, as scum, pushing my mislynch case on Yos... I go back through the game and find ETHERS post and try and spin some horseshit?

NO. WHEN HAVEYOU EVER SEEN SCUM FUCKIN DO THAT?

Jesus. Your play this game is... well I've said enough on that front.

The Ether comment is a tell i believe in, and I'll be the one vindicated on a Yos scum flip post-game. And you'll be the one who's had their head up their ass all game voting townies and doing SWEET. FUCK. ALL.

Enough of that... I'm slightly drunk still and uhh.

Well not rage caps drunk but incoherent drunk.

I just remember readiong your post oin my phone earlier adn thinking "what a fuckin derp" and I had a response all planned out but it was one that needed to be typed out and shit and then i went out drinking and here we qare with the remnansts of that train of thought.

YOU WERE SO CLOSE TO ENLIGHTENMENT, TO INTELLIGENCE.

THEN DERP FEL SHORT.


ohbtw:

@Balamscumbuddy:
So how does a GreyICE kill NOT incriminate Yos again? As UB pointed out, it clearly does.

[Final Destination]

(Equinox)

I have no fucking idea what is going on in this thread. Would you rather I gave you a half-baked read as though I were confident in it?

Also, please read more than the first line. AGar and RayFrost don't agree with me; don't take "YosFlavouredCayke is town" as the hydra's official read. Call this fence-sitting all you want, but if I am not sure about something, I damn well am not sure about it.

FENCE

SITTING

"POLEASE WERE NOT CALLING YOS TOWN ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ONLY BUDDY DEFENSE WE CAN MUSTER IS NK WIFOM"


"PLEASE DONT CHAIN LYNCH US TWO SCUM. WE HAVE A GOOD THING GOIN HERE HURRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRR"


You're so fuckin dead.

[Final Destination]

Ill get through the rest of this shit when Im not playing Lozllzz

[Final Destination]

I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF YOU ADMIT TO YOUR SCUMMINESS YOU THINK THAT MAKES IT ANY LESS SCUMMY YOU DUMB FUCJ>


NO NOT YOU TODAY

YOS TODAY

[Final Destination]

ILL TAKE THAT TO MEAN YOURE A SCUM ROLEBLOCKER OR SOMESHIT, MIND CLAIMIN THAT IN THREAD>

[Final Destination]

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

d. Now I'm out before I get yelled at for threadshitting because this shit isn't productive.

LOOK

WHOS

FUCKION
|
|CARES

HOW

THEY

LOOK.

HAI
SCUM

[Final Destination]

Town: FD (unfortunate but true: fate drunk posting like this is a town tell, even as he completely and utterly fails), PC (incog <3), daspot (unless kcda is completely self-aware of his meta and actively and totally changing it within the span of a single game, he's town)

Unknowns: The Gurgi (dependent on... stuff)

Shaky ground: Copper (reasons given), FES (I can't let go of my initial suspicion, but it's lessened)

Scum: UB, YFC

Reads will almost certainly change based upon lolflips.

Oh hey Look. DASPOT is missing from this list, some nice FAIL fakehunting.

Oh, to add to this fail:

A scumlist of UB??? (LOL) who earlier today you just said should be "policy lynched for being unreadable" so half your strongest scumread is for policy, and the OTHER half is your buddy you're too much of a pussy to put at L-1.

Also the tongue in cheek "If we was scum with Yos wouldn't we have BUSSED by now!??!" bullshit is laughable.

No, calling me town WONT appease me, and it won't get me off your scummy ass. Your SCUMPLAINING that my drunkposting is "wrong AGAIN! YUO CAN NEBER READZ ME FATE STOP IT!" is hilarious. Yeah last game I was "wrong" in truth I was just rambling incoherently to see who Nacho's buddy was, and hoping to dodge a NK by "suspecting" the wrong person.

This game though? Oh mannnn you are SCUMZ. Because I KNOW there aren't THREE townbags with shit for fuck reads (FES being the only townie I'll BELIEVE has shit for reads, with Yos and You being scum)

QFT UB: Why can't Cayke post? I'm sure as HELL posting for AGM even though he's dropped off the face of the fuckin earth.

[Final Destination]

Oh yeah, YOS IS TOTALLY FAKING A TORNADO.

-Fonzi

Mad at people suspecting buddy for crapreasons instance #1

The case on FD is so much better than the retarded Yos case it's untrue. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably likes lead with their cornflakes.

#2

Besides the case on me being what... activity tells? That aren't even TRUE? Ok Fonzi, if you're REALLY town and want to prove my scumminess, go making a fuckin flow chart of my posts this game and the votes against me. See if they match up, or if there's ACTUALLY no correlation at all and the only pattern being: 1. Barely to no posts at all on week-ends.
2. Posts sparingly during the week when there is nothing we can bite our teeth into
3. Posts bursts every other week late at night where we comment on a shit ton.


So yeah, your scumbuddy is CAUGHT, sorry if you don't like the case but it doesn't make him any less fuckin scum.

And our argument is not 'We can't see town moving off their highest suspect.' We can, but there are situations where it can happen, and situations where it's less likely to be genuine. the FES was EMPHATICALLY WAS NOT DEAD when you left it, it was tied for the lead. It was really your shift that put GB into the 'presumptive lynch' category. And you made that shift having insisted in the previous post that an FES death was 100% the priority, and having not really talked about Gummybear at all prior to that. Before that switch, I could have bought that you were town who was simply focussed on FES to the exclusion of everything else. It fits the Fate head's known playstyle. But what I can't buy is the cognitive dissonance required to be that tunneled on FES for the whole day to the point when you basically completely ignore the Gummy case right up until it achieves parity with your preferred wagon, then jump it on the basis of something completely minor. I would have expected the true town, tunneling Fate to start howling with frustration and demanding people revote FES immediately.

I do this as scum ALL the time. I use meta arguments to attack people and make baseless assumptions. "I would expect the TOWN Fate to do XXX... since you didn't YOU IZ SCUM." Bullshit for more reasons than one.

1. That's not my meta anyway, but I won't get into that.
2. I've explained ALREADY how there was nothing to howl and scream at. You keep ignoring my explanation that FES HADNT DONE ANYTHING FUCKIN SCUMMY FOR ME TO ELABORATE THE CASE ON HIM. AKA NOTHING TO RAGE AT PEOPLE TO JOIN THE WAGON FOR.

The reason why? He's uselessdumbshit town. There WAS no scum motivations in his posts, he was just a sack of DERP all game long doing nothing but tunneling town and having no real effort in any of his posts. This is a mild enough scumtell that it sure as hell is lynch worthy on D2. GummyBear's LURK2VICTORY NO CONTENT EVER, was

exactly the same sort of useless as FES

So yeah< I didn't GIVE a fuck which one died other than FES having a wagon strong on him already. The GB wagon was more viable, and what I thought-at the time- town driver (Balams scum now so...), so YEAH I JUMPED SHIP.

Now its on you:
Is there any REASON to not believe that I simply did not have a strong enough case on FES over GB to continually push his lynch uphill when it was no longer viable?
What is the scum motivation for switching onto an equally scummy townie?

As for the others who switched on FES/Gummy, Balam's switch doesn't really make any sense if he's scum and FES is town. It's the 'consistency is slightly scummy' thing FES mentioned- it makes very little sense for a scum to jump off a town wagon that looks likely to succeed through simple inertia to try to push a different one. It might be some kind of convoluted distancing strategy, in the hope that it doesn't actually succeed, but people in future days might go 'Well look, Balam made a bold move against FES there when he really didn't have to.' But that, of course, requires FES-scum first, so why would we go after Balam today? Also, their move required a certain amount of boldness, whereas yours was following the herd.

K, so Balam's-aka your buddy- doesn't make sense to have switched off a town mislynch target onto another one, but I DO? That's just fuckin hilarious. "Following the herd" Yeah you're right. Me and AGM debated switching the wagon off FES, because we weren't getting strong feelings off his lynch, but with the way activity was we thought a new wagon would stagnate the game further. The GB wagon turned out really well in terms of springing the game back to life, so our decision to add to the wagon was solid. Call it following all you want, doesn't make it any more scummy.

[Final Destination]

This is AGM. Sorry for slacking - I was really busy this weekend.

What I'm even more sorry about, though, is all these DUMB FUCK ARGUMENTS ABOUT POSTING STYLE. Fate was picking up on my slack and posted as Fate usually does.

The next person to call that scummy is getting nommed for "CooLDoG 2.0" in the title thread.

[NOT STUPIDITY APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

Also note that Fate has made a total of 22 posts in other parts of the site during the last 18 hours.

22? That seems low for me.

Yes, I, Fate, am the most active player on the site.


Do you want me to sit here and post every goddamn chance? Read D1, I've been inclined NOT TO DO AS MUCH, because its a fucking hydra game.

I haven't seen AGM on AIM since our last [AGM approved] Post, which I think was a good fucking week ago.

Now I'll post content every prod dodging time, I'll come in here and say WALP NO AGM SO YOU GET JUST ME every three days, but I'm not going to treat this like the rest of my games and post everytime I have something to say, because IDEALLY I'd like to run it by AGM first.

[Final Destination]

Hey kids, guess who it is. Sorry I haven't made an appearance lately.

I think my other head has it pretty spot on with the FD thing. Does anyone want to defend them? They ought to at least defend themselves.

I have a problem guys. Incognito is town.

Defend myself against what?

I have no problems with my play this game. Only the rate at which I CAN play as a hydra (making dual posts).


My FES push over US D1 I'm fine with. I regret not being able to post before UB's hammer my strong dislike of that wagon.

My FES push over Yos D2 I'm fine with. A useless player needed to die D2, and GummyBear's wagon was just as good and had more momentum, as I've already explained.

My Yos/Fonzi/Balam read D3, today, I'm fine with. Actually, to be 100% honest I was just trolling Balam while drunk again to get a read out of him. AGM and I BOTH expressed a scumread more on Copper than Balam, but we wanted to live to the next day to get him lynched (there probably won't be enough support to get Copper lynched, as you can see now with Fonzi trying to revive MY wagon while Copper is being pressured). There is also not enough of a case to be made on Copper because he is just coasting scum (via PoE as well), so his play gets scummier as each day progresses and it will be easier to lynch him.

I'm fine with my solid town reads, DaSpot, UB, and Profane Confusion. If they add me and read me as town, thats a 4 town voting block that can rape this game if we WORK THE FUCK TOGETHER. Yos->Copper->Fonzi (I switch the order now because Fonzi's vote on my while Copper is being run up REALLY will damn him after a Copper scum flip) will likely win the game.

That's all I have to say until AGM gets back.

[Final Destination]

Yos, your read on Copper, please.

Meh. Null to mildly scummy. Like I mentioned before, I really hate the way he voted FES and put him at L -2 just because FES wanted to keep his vote on FD on day 2 when no one else was. Copper later justified this as "trying to force people to place a vote that matters", but it still seems really heavy handed and somewhat anti-town.

Other then that, I wouldn't say I have a read on the role at all, which in and of itself is mildly damning. They've been fairly noncommital for much of the game.

The one big, surprising move they did, which was to suddenly leave the FES wagon for the Balam wagon, actually struck me as mildly pro-town, although I'm not sure I can explain why, other then to say that it felt more, I don't know, proactive then I'd expect from Copper as scum (scum tend to be more reactive then proactive). But other then that, most of Copper's posts have been very careful and tepid, with a lot of moderate in-between positions. And, of course, Copper really hasn't made that many posts.

Copper could go either way; and because he's made so few solid commitments, he could be scum with almost anyone in the game. I don't want to lynch him today, though; there are scummier players, and if we don't lynch scum today I think we're in trouble.

Well I did notice this, (but didn't post because I was logged in on Fate, etc.) but Fonzi has already pointed as much out. Course he goes "Yos fence sat really scummy... BUT I"LL VOTE FD FOR NOT BEING ACTIVE INSTEAD."

I'm not GummyBear. Lynching me based off "TROLOLOLOL ACTIVITY" is horseshit. Especially when I'm fully caught up with the game and have

MADE MY STANCES CLEAR.

I still have no idea who Gummy fucking suspected, and that's why they are dead. I'd like to point out since the scumteam has FES in their pocket, no scumbag has made the effort to post FES coasting while being run up/not run up respectively. I haven't pointed it out either because, oh yeah, ITS NULL. Activity tells are null. CONTENT tells are not null, which Gummy had none.

So unless one of you clowns/scum (doubt the latter will) can look me STRAIGHT IN THE EYES and say "You have little to no content this game, lurking scumbag" instead of "YOU AND AGM ARENT ONLINE AT CONVENIENT ENOUGH TIMES LIKE WHEN THERES NO PRESSURE ON YOU TROLOOLOL" Then this bullshit needs to stop. Now.

Hai Incog >_>b

[Final Destination]

Oh I forget about MasterMate, yeah add them to my TOWN BLOCK of awesome ness.


Yos explaining why FES is town is just HIM KNOWING THAT FES IS TOWN.

No one ELSE has attributed that pro-town motivation to FES because he's trolling so hard WHO THE FUCK WOULD KNOW HE WAS TOWN except for scum?

Don't give Yos scum points just because the only content he can fake is "THIS IS WHY ETHER AND FES AND ALL MY FRIENDS ARE TOWN LOLOLOLLOL"

Come on PC, we have to work TOGETHER. I'm willing to compromise on a Copper lynch (breaking my promise not to lynch him outside LyLo >_>b), but not Balam. Balam's frustration in being suspected was hard to fake and genuine.

Scum reacting to a drunk poster? "Holy shit what does he have super power reads when drunk? >_>b LAY LOW MAN LAY LOW"

Town reacting to a drunk poster who had trolled him in ANOTHER game recently "STOP THAT SHIT FATEFUCKING HELL IT SUCKS AND YOU SUCK STOP IT"

Balam is town, more town that Copper and Yos anyway.

[Final Destination]

We have one mislynch left, that's how it usually works right?


So even if you won't give up your Yos/Balam read, that's 4 lynches for three scum in: Copper/Yos/Balam/Fonzi

Aka.

GG

[Final Destination]

How it usually works aka 3 mis lynches before LyLo*** seeing the number alive that is indeed what it is.

[Final Destination]

So unless one of you clowns/scum (

doubt the latter will)

can look me STRAIGHT IN THE EYES and say "You have little to no content this game, lurking scumbag" instead of "YOU AND AGM ARENT ONLINE AT CONVENIENT ENOUGH TIMES LIKE WHEN THERES NO PRESSURE ON YOU TROLOOLOL" Then this bullshit needs to stop. Now.

Yos came down so hard on the fence, that his colon probably has splinters.

Lol.

I think Copper is a null/mildly scummy read, and a semilurker. I'd usually love to lynch someone like that. But the thing is, that's what we did yesterday; there were basically two faction fighting, it was deadlocked, so everyone gave up and lynched a mildly scummy looking semi-lurker who was on neither side, Gummybears. The Copper wagon feels like the same thing happening again.

That being said, he could be scum. I just don't want us all to compromise on an iffy lynch again.

I like the FD vote. That seems like a much better wagon.

OH WAIT A SURPRISE

[Final Destination]

Look at how he now defends Copper as, "well his play is like Gummy's and THAT turned out so well so don't lynch him >_>b"

Oh you cheeky fuckin scumbag. Copper is not FlakyBear.


Copper has plenty of fucking time and effort to make posts and content, but he hasn't made anything SUBSTANTIAL since, oh yeah he replaced in.


SO

HOW ABOUT THAT SCUMTEAM BOIS?

@PC: What say you? This latest gem entice you to the righteous wagon yet? Me, UB, and DaSpot are all on it! TO VICTORY

[Final Destination]

I'm logging off FD now, got to catch up in other games.

And the week-end is busy as fuck, so because this is apparently newbie queue level play I'll say it now:

MY/AGM POSTINGS WILL BE LIMITED OVER THE WEEK-END TROLOLOLOLL. AKA NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS I"M NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH TIME TO POST AND YOU CAN"T USE THAT AGAINST ME AS SOME MANUFACTURED SCUMTELL NYAHNYAHNYWAH

[Final Destination]

I don't really understand FD's defense. It's like he reads what my other head says, then does exactly what he is accused of doing, and then acts as if the whole thing's been put to rest. What sort of idiots are you used to playing with?

Yos:

That's actually a pretty decent explanation. Urgh.

- Incog

Has anyone else in this game actually listened and been convinced by someone's explanation? Incognito is just about the only one not trying to engage in a shouting match to prove his point, and that's town as hell. This post alone convinces me that he's town. The whole exchange between you and Incognito just screams town.

Do you think Incognito's scum or do you think the slot is scum? I have thought for a while that the slot is scum because they've played like it. I tend to give more weight to replacements than the original though.

What the fuck are you even TALKING about? You're accusing me of posting sporadically, I'm saying YEAH IM POSTING SPORADICALLY AND NOT CONSISTENTLY, HERE"S FUCKING WHY, AND HERE"S WHY ITS NOT SCUMMY. What idiots am I used to playing with? Well ones that don't dick the fuck around with a HURRR DURR ACTIVITY TELLS. Honestly you're about 60% better than MOST of the scum I play against (due to tone and fakehunting), but your cases for mislynch are very weak and very poor.

Also the best you can do to buddy up to Incog is "TROLOLOLOL INCOG ISNT ARGUING THEREFORE HES CONFIRMED TOWN!" The fuck? How is that a town-tell? Wouldn't scum be MORE likely to be non-confrontational and bend with the wind? But that's all moot because Incog is town, but he isn't town fro YOUR fake reasons.

God fucking damn it I'm tired of arguing with scum. Instead I'll talk to TOWN.


HEY INCOG.

[Final Destination]

@PC: What say you? This latest gem entice you to the righteous wagon yet? Me, UB, and DaSpot are all on it! TO VICTORY

I just don't know. I see what you're talking about but that post made by Yos in defense of Frogito Ergo Sum looks pretty damn solid. The thinking he used to make that post just seems really town to me; he's using a lot of the same tells I tend to use when I town-hunt too, and I find that kind of thing really difficult to do during the times that I'm scum.

Lol... I guess there's a reason you're more feared for your SCUMPLAYZ than your TOWN play Incog. Deceptive skills > Deductive reasoning is your forte? Fine, let me spell it out for you with a cool (if racist and irrelevant) analogy:

We're sitting at a table. Everyone's wearing masks. FES starts drinking tea and eating biscuits. "WTF?" says the rest of the table... or they ignore it... or they don't know what to make of it. Its just like "huh.. hes eating them... because he's hungry? And thirsty? Has a cold? Hates coffee?"

Sitting at the table is Yoscayke. They KNOW what everyone is behind their masks. They KNOW FES is British. They come right out with, "He's eating biscuits and drinking tea because he's British!!! He's the more pro-British person I ever did see!"

You all go "WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! YOS HOW DID YOU DO THAT? YOU MUST BE A RACE-HUNTING GOD! YOUR REASONING SKILLS ARE INTENSE! ARE YOU SHERLOCK FUCKING HOLMES? TROLOLOLOLOLOL"-Incog

"More likely he just KNOWS which of us are british and who are not. Aka he's a goddamn Scumbag killing us all."-FD

K the metaphor got off track and sloppy at the end but I'm fucking tired and I thought of it 13 hours ago.


DO YOU SEE THEP OINT THOUGH?

YOS CAN EXPLAIN FES ACTIONS BECAUSE HE KNOWS FES IS TOWN.

NO TOWN PERSON CAN EXPLAIN THEM AS WELL BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW FOR SURE. THEY WOULDNT STICK THEIR NECK OUT THEIR TO DEFEND A POSSIBLE SCUMBAG, SPECIALLY WHEN THEY CANT

REALLY

KNOW THE MOTIVATIONS FOR ALL OF THEIR POSTINGS, WITHOUT KNOWING THEIR ALIGNMENT.

SCUM KNOW PEOPLES ALIGNMENT.

FOR.

FUCKS.

SAKE.

INCOG LISTEN TO ME.

[Final Destination]

We're not surprised that FD is willing to vote for Copper.

Do you even have a read on Yos? Or on anyone at all?

I'm just going off memory here, but wasnt your LAST post in this thread "FD has good points against Yos but destroys them by thinking Ether hesitating is a Yos-scumtell."

Fucking hell. How many times do I have to insult you before you wake the fuck up and go "Huh, maybe we need to actually give a fuck about this game..."

YOS IS BUDDYING YOU AND DEFENDING YOU.

ITS CLASSIC FUCKING SCUM WHITE KNIGHT.

STOP.
BEING.
BLIND.

[Final Destination]

Ok one more line for the scumbag:

YO FONZ, if my posting rate at timing is scummy, then what the fuck is Copper's? I WONDER WHY YOU SO CONVIENTLY GLOSS OVER HIS LURKING ACT?

Copper has consistently lurked and coasted.

I have consistently posted when I fucking can when AGM is fucking on.

You say "THATS SCUMMY YO"

And by your own admittance, I KEEP DOING IT, so what the fuck is scum about that? I keep posting the way I've been posting because

I DONT GIVE A FUCK HOW IT LOOKS.

Now tell me, cause I seem to have forgotten, that little distancing act with Copper earlier? What was the point of that? "Lol reactions to Copper wagon LOolozlozlzol" right?

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

I hate this game. Every time I read it it's just Fate arguing with the same scumbags we've been arguing with since DAY ONE over really, really STUPID stuff. And whenever Fate and I do end up talking, it's not like we have really deep conversations where I'm like, "Eh Fate, I think you're off with that read. Let's think about X instead."

No. It's always the SAME. Because nothing CHANGES. There's just more STUFF piling everywhere that does nothing but obscure what we are already VERY AWARE OF.

asdf

LYNCH LYNCH LYYYNCH

[NOT FATE APPROVED, BUT I'M SURE HE APPROVES]

[Final Destination]

KEEP TWSITIN ROUND AND ROUND.


All right, you want to call me scum for V/LA abuse? MAN THE FUCK UP. That's shitI would

NEVER

pull. Its low, its dirty, its cheap. I earn my wins through sweat and blood for fucks sake.


AGM's absences are REAL you fucking clowns. I made a promise at the start of the game (or an inclination at least) to try and only post joint posts. ITS NOT FUCKIN SCUMMY TO STICK TO THAT.


But yeah, when I get accused of BULLSHIT or called out on WHATEVER, I pop in because thats PLAYING TO MY WINCON (whether town or scum, thats fuckin NULL) and post by my goddamn self.

SO YEAH.

THERES A FUCKING TREND OF MY POSTING IN RESPONSE TO BEING CALLED OUT ON SHIT. BUT THATS NOT A SCUMTELL.

The "real" case on me being what?

Convienent flip on Copper? I never had strong town read on him, it was always WEAK and I always believed that e was a player worthy of keeping around (For his ability to catch scum, to draw NKs, etc.) Now that he's still alive and hasn't done shit, YEAH ITS BOUT TIME I reveal that weak town read was a weak gut scum read.
DERP

Switch on balam? Explained. Drunk posting, which I continuation "suspected" while sober as Balam points out, was for reactions and reads. Balam's reaction was geniune, and I wasn't going to be voting him anytime soon (instead I was hoping a Balam suspicion would let me survive a NK, seeing as Yos' scum flip will make scum feel REAL THREATENED by my reads, and make town pull their head out of their ass (town in this case with head up its ass being solely limited to FES)).

Fonz was pushing the Copper wagon for a"LONG" time? Nice sucmbuddy defense ya got there.

SHOW ME. If memory serves all Fonzi said was "tehehehe vote explain later COpper"

then when asked to explain later

">_>
<_<"

then finally

"Oh it was for lulz."

How is that pushing a wagon? His vote sat there for no reason, which took advantage of my limited joint-posting habits, and then came out with a "OH LOOK FD IS LURKIN AGAIN WHEN I VOTED COPPER TROLOLOLOLOL" aka he used his vote on Copper to push MY MISLYNCH ultimately.

This is the guy who, in a different game, FAKE-CLAIMED RECRUITING MASON as town in order to try to protect someone who he thought seemed pro-town, basically based on a gut read.

And now he's claiming that it's impossible for a pro-town person to stick out their neck to defend someone, based on a solid town read of their behavior?

This guy is scum. There is zero chance he actually believes anything he's saying here.

Yeah,

ME

I fake-claimed mason to protect a town read. You? You would never go that far, show me one instance as town where you've EVER GONE THIS far in defending them.

I'm fucking serious. Show me one case that is parallel to the way you've defended FES. Because you've never even once tentatively called him scum. He's so far in your pocket you just keep stroking his town ego, which is bruised by how easily he is wagonned for his shit play this game. You come in with a "No! FES play is not shit! He is TOWN!!" and then they have nothing but <3 for you and are in your pocket.


NINJA:

YES

YES

SANITY

YES.

YOUR SCUMMOTIVATIONS ARE AS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY.

[Final Destination]

The ninja was supposed to go at the end of the post, the scummotivations are attributed to @Yos

the ninja is @Primate

<3

[Final Destination]

Primate, I appreciate you realziing how fucking scummy and useless FES has been, but him and Yos being scum together are slim to none.

Time for some VCAs? I think yes. Copy paste them tomorrow after we lynch scum and I get NK'd <3

[Final Destination]

AGM is online, and has persuaded me to stop arguing with scum because I'm just "feeding the trolls" and giving them ammo and bullshit. If my TOWNREADS have any questions or need any persuation to vote Yos, then please feel free to ask. Here's some analysis to help you see what I see:

A Vote Count:

Final Destination (4) -

Greymarble,

YosCayke,

Unicorn,

Frog Ergo Sum

Pathetric (2)

- Beaver, Final Destination
DaSpotthatkillsu (1) - Balam,

Unicorn (1)

- Reckamonic
Mrs Flay (1) - Mrs Flay

This is the corner stone to my analysis of this game, because I know I am town and I know I was run up on bullshit D1.

Mrs. Flay and Reckamonic became Fonzi and Copper respectively. 2/3 the scum hydras flaked due to inability to get into the game/difficulty in being scum in general? I wouldn't say that's too far off, and the way D1 progressed seems to have been a bunch of townies yelling at eachother (Ether and Gummy, me and FES, UB and himself, etc.) rather than any actual scum-pushing. AGM and I have BOTh been in agreement since D1 we didn't like Reckdram's slot. They flake out of their scumslots like its their job (SC's mafia a good recent example), and we were very wary of Copper when he replaced in (even though realziing we wouldn't be able to do much to get him lynched off such a weak Reckflake tell.)

The scummiest push was my wagon, because it was based off Grey's SELF-ADMITTED shit meta, and was pushed to L-1. Yo and FES both throwing their chips into a meta/lurker lynch D1? Nah, I don't see them as scum together.

The rest of most of the VCAs are useless for my analysis, as 2/3 my proposed scumteam were not active or voting.

A Vote Count and a Lynch:
Untrod Stranger (7)-

Gummybear, Pathetric

, Balam,

Greymarble,

Lord Fonzi, YosCayke,

Unicorn

YosFlavouredCayke (2) - Final Destination, Beaver
Frog Ergo Sum (2) -

Untrod Stranger,

DaSpotthatkillsu,
Final Destination (1) - Frog Ergo Sum
Unicorn (1) -

Interesting thing about this VC. At the time I had a strong town read on UT, but was unable to post in time before the hammer.

Look at this vote:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2864232

Lord Fonzi. Waltzes in with a 'herp derp whys he still alive?' and US is promptly lynched. No accountability, no reasoning, no one

questioning

this useless parked vote the next day. SCUM are very likely to call out TOWN for these unreasoned votes on town, the fact that no one noticed it means SCUM weren't going to point out what their buddy did, and that Town glossed over it due to NK analysis, beginning fo day posts, etc. etc. (town have a lot more shit to keep track of).



The "Not Quite Top of the Page" Vote Count:
FrogErgoSum (5): DaSpot,

Greymarble,

Final Destination, Balam, LordFonzi
BeaverWeasel (2):, YosFlavouredCayke, Copper
Final Destination (1): FrogErgoSum

Not Voting (3):

Gummybear,

BeaverWeasel, Unicorn.


Its pretty clear that scum thought Beaver would make a juicy mislynch come start of the day, and scumYos had no business on the FES wagon he was trying to defend. Course, Fonzi plays the OTHER side of the field,

calls me town, and votes FES.

Scum's options for lynches at this point are very well set and it caused the day to go downhill, FAST. No scum wanted to make the final push/hammer on the FES aagon when it reached L-1, but apathetic town weren't certain enough about FES' scumminess (because, lo and behold hes just fucking badtown) to hammer either.

The "Afternoon Fades Into Evening" Vote Count:
FrogErgoSum (5): Final Destination, DaSpot, Copper, Balam,

Greymarble

DaSpot (3): YosFlavouredCayke, SuperVanillaTownie, FrogErgoSum
SuperVanillaTownie (1): Gummybear

Gummybear

(1): LordFonzi
Copper (1): Unicorn

Scum switch over to Daspot, who basically writes mislynch on his head and dances in thread. MUCH easier target than the new and fresh Parama hydra, plus said hydra was willing to jumpstart a Dapost wagon. (Aka Yos goes from VOTING BeaverWeasel to voting WITH BEaver's slot? LolYosscum. Lol.) Fonzi sits content on that Gummybear lurkslot.


BALAM jumpstarts the day with a Gummy wagon:
The "Tick-tock" Vote Count:

Gummybear

(4): LordFonzi, Balam,

Greymarble,

Final Destination
DaSpot (3): YosFlavouredCayke, SuperVanillaTownie, FrogErgoSum
FrogErgoSum (2): Copper,

Gummybear

YosFlavouredCayke (1): DaSpot


The "Nightfall" Vote Count:

Gummybear (6)

: LordFonzi, Balam, Final Destination, DaSpot,

Greymarble,

FrogErgoSum
FrogErgoSum (2): Gummybear, Profane Confusion
DaSpot (1): YosFlavouredCayke,
Copper (1): Unicorn

Not Voting (1): Copper,

That's a lynch.

Wow look how well this ended up? Gummy's lynch was a forgone conclusion. So why would any scum other than the one ALREADY ON the wagon pre-push need to make an effort? Copper stays off, endorsing the wagon but taking no stance. Yos says on the Daspot wagon beacuse "lol how can people think Daspot is town? His cases are shit" scumrage.


Vote Count:
YosFlavouredCayke (3): Unicorn, Final Destination, DaSpot
Final Destination (3): Lord Fonzi, FES, YosFlavouredCayke
Frogito Ergo Sum (1): Profane Confusion
Unicorn (1): Balam
Balam (1): Copper

^Now here we, all alive and well. Fonzi and Cayke decide to use my push against Gummy yesterday considering my stance on FES for my lynch. Why the hell not? I mean, its an easy case to make. FES is in their pocket willing to vote me, and if they get me to flip town? FES' is basically an auto-lynch at LyLo all things considered. Or at least, much easier than a FD-lynch at LyLo.

Do I think the entire wagon on Yos is town, and no one is bussing? Yeah. Call me naive, but if scum

think

they can defend their buddies' actions sucessfully and there are scummier townies out there, why bus? It just makes them look worse later when they don't die after having called out scum. Why would scum EVER bus a player like Yos when me and my FESTowntunnel and Gummy mislynch make me prime for the suspecting? Or DASPOT who also has problems with posting coherent cases and the like?

Copper is off in no-man's land, pushing god knows what wagon for whatever reason, and I'm not sure he's even commented on the FES/FD/Yos trifecta today.

[MOSTLY AGM APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

tl;dr: Profane Confusion & Balam Balam - get your act in gear and vote Yos. We can decrypt Copper tomorrow. Right now, Yos needs to die so him and the rest of the scumteam stop clogging the thread with noise and we can stay on track.

[Final Destination]

@MP

Cayke has been on scumchat multiple times with no corresponding activity here. She's expressed very little interest in this game, or picking up for Yos' slack when he was V/LA.


Yos and PC are in a meta 1v1 it seems, and obviously I believe PC to be town of the two for INDEPEDENT game related actions (those having nothing to do with meta), so please vote accordingly.

Please don't tell me you backed off Yos because of a softclaim. At this point with this many people alive and suspecting Yos, his fakeclaim is needed to drive forward discussion. Him softclaiming to stall the game out, and get just one vote off him has WAY MORE scum motivation that town. At this point if Yos were town he'd be all too willing to just claim, be done with it, and move on to lynching his "suspects."

But Yos' isn't a PR softclaiming for pro-town reasons, he's scum hoping a softclaim will suffice and he won't need to be locked into one for another night.

Please re-vote MP, or explain why you aren't voting him (if its to prevent a hammer, one will not come trust me, if its to wait until you've fully read up on the game and such, that's fine but please express your intent to re-vote MP so that he can be at pseudo L-1 and forced to fakeclaim.)

[Final Destination]

Let's just hammer without a claim then. He's not a doc (OH HAI ETHER) he's not a cop (OH HAI NO GUILTY ON ME) not a mason (OH HAI NO ONE LOVES YOS) and I don't give a fuck about tracker or watcher or any of that jazz claims.

Grab your ball sacks and lynch scum before they fakeclaim. I've done it many a time and it feels

so good.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Cool claim, bro. Three things:

1) There was no town reason for stalling on that claim.
2) It's fake.
3) Die.

[Final Destination]

There you go again, making bold statements about

MY

meta. How the fuck do you know how

I

play? Just because I kept up the "read" while sober doesn't mean it was any more genuine than when I was drunk. I will play to avoid NKs if it is the interest of my win con to do so.

"Fate does not play to avoid NKs."
Bold statement full of certainty.


"He strikes me as the kind of player"
Opinion, assumptions.

How can you post this trash back to back?

On one hand you say "THIS IS HOW FATE PLAYS" on the other you say "WELL I THINK FATE WOULD DO THIS BASED ON XXX HURRR"

Now while I'd love to go into detail about how you're so totally wrong about how I play, my town alignment this game will speak for itself AND I rather not reveal the intricacies of my style to those that are unaware of how to manipulate me.

Your "clearing" of Yoscayke is crap. So an experienced player makes a claim that makes

logical

sense? Well no FUCKING SHIT. He's not an idiot that's gonna claim "Cop with a guilty N1 Inno N2 I wanted to get one more investigation off so I didnt claim guilty TEHEHEHE" why do players keep treating this thread like its in the fucking newbie queue?

You're all using craptells. As a wise man once said:

The meta argument is also bullshit. In fact all of these bandwagons are merely railroaded contraptions. NONE of them have any merit.

So how about we quit fucking around and play this game on the level it was MEANT to be played? Aka lynch the scum fucking roleblocker, and crack this game open. The sheer amount of RESISTANCE to YosCayke's lynch is due to the scumarrogance I pointed out earlier. They feel logical superiority in this thread (aka they feel themselves to be better players), so they have no desire to bus their buddies when FD/Spot/FES exist.


And no I'm not claiming. It's going to take a final scum bag (Copper) coming out of the bushes and pushing for my lynch before I cave to this bullshit, ESPECIALLY when Yos scum is in our sights.

[Final Destination]

(AGar)

[AGM]

Cool claim, bro. Three things:

1) There was no town reason for stalling on that claim.
2) It's fake.
3) Die.

Lolno.

VOTE: Final Destination

With so much pushing against YFC, and no logic behind it, we're fairly confident that YFC is in fact town.

You might want to think about claiming FD. I'm sure there's someone here who will "grab their ball sacks and lynch scum before they fakeclaim," as you so kindly put it.

I don't even know how you can regurgitate the shit scum says.

"No logic behind it."

There's no WAY you can read my recent postings on Yos, my analysis of the ENTIRE FUCKING GODDAMN GAME UP TO THIS POINT, and say "there's no logic."

How about there IS FUCKING logic, and until you REFUTE it then you're talking out of your ass?


And what the fuck is this fluff even mean "calling crap to Yos' claim without engaging directly"

I've been engaging Yos the whole fucking GAME, and now I'm sticking to only talking to my town reads, AKA YOU BALAMZ, and discussing the game with them instead of arguing with fucking scum.

[Final Destination]

Well seeing as you know shit about my personality or anyone who posts on the fucking INTERNET, I'd say your playstyle is severely flawed. "Fate would post whatever he wanted and would never try to avoid a NK" is a load of crap and I've successfully dodged/drawn NKs as I've fucking pleased depending on the game the role and the alignment.

AGM said "lol claim" and sure I could parrot Mastermate and PC, but what's the fucking point? The main reasoning for why the claim is fake is out there:

-Not protecting "ZOMG OBVTOWN" Ether is horseshit. NO matter what.
-"RB is more powerful than Doc so therefore using it like a RV is tehehehe" NO. RB is powerful as fuck

with one scum left.

Jailkeeper itself is extremely less potent than RB (due to the hybridazation it becomes weaker, yes), but Doctor is still better than RB with multiple scum left.
-Softclaiming to get the wagon off him instead of to move the day forward, and a later claim that doesn't match up with said softclaim at all.

If Yos was 9000% sure she was town (as he claims he is and was), then

his duty as a protective role is to ensure her survival for as long as he's fucking breathing.

That is what a doc is SUPPOSED to do, not dance around with WIFOM "lol teheheh they wont NK the claimed cop so..."

THE DOC IS SUPPOSED TO ENSURE WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT THE PERSON THEY PROTECT WILL BE ALIVE IN THE FUCKING MORNING. THAT IS ALL.

Trying to use his role as a "1 in 3 chance trololol I blocked the scum killer" over protecting "confirmed" town Ether is BULLSHIT.

Stalling for a JK claim is BULLSHIT. If he knew it wouldn't save him, like he tried to "propose" it would (lol watch this wagon off my disappear Imma PR!") then he should've just claimed to move forward instead of stalling the game out like YESTERDAY with FES.

But he's scum, so that's why he didn't claim immediately.

So yeah, this all sums up to AGM posting "lol they fakeclaiming" which I felt no need to elaborate on with all the other townies already at it.

But instead of, "so what don't you like about their claim?" its "LOLL-1YOU" oh ok Balam, ok.

[Final Destination]

At least Mastermate and Profane Confusion questioned YosFlavouredCayke about their choices to discern their alignment.

I'm already fucking sure Yos is scum, why would I question his choices to discern his scumminess? He is scum, his claim is not confirmable town in the way that would make me shake my read of him, so why would I go "HRMMMM SO WHY WOULD YOUZZ>>>>>?" to further the case on him? That's the job other townies have taken onto themselves (PC and MP)


So now, Mr. Personality Guru, do I

SEEM

like the kind of person who would give a fuck what my highest scum read claimed, and question his claim further before I decide whether its fake or not?

WELL


FUCKING DO I?

MY TOP SCUMREAD CLAIMED. ITS FAR ENOUGH IN THE GAME THAT MY TOP SCUMREAD IS SCUM.


ERGO WHATEVER HE CLAIMS IS FUCKING FAKE.

[Final Destination]

(AGar)

I will play to avoid NKs if it is the interest of my win con to do so.

Funny, I was always under the impression that town players, regardless of how "godlike" their night actions may or may not be, are supposed to be playing as pro-town as possible, thus in a way that draws a night kill, in order to force scum to either play an amazingly town game or shore up real easily. In other words, it is never in the best interest of a town win condition to play to avoid night kills.

So are you now admitting to playing an intentionally sub-optimal game in order to facilitate your survival?

Sounds like a scum strategy to me.

Suboptimal? I'm not here to make this a MD debate with 3v1 fucking one (oh wait you have the scumteam on your side).

Yos is scum, FUCKING SCUMBAG NUMERO UNO.

Now, my side reads? Making them "less than accurate" or trolling with reads to get reactions, whatever it may be DOESNT FUCKING MATTER as long as my vote's on scum.

Someone in some recent game with GreyICE hammered a town read so that he could stay alive. I don't pull shit like

that

, I vote for who I think to be scum, my top suspect and vote is ALWAYS on scum. My side reads? Who I buddy up to? As UB put it as he was here, I'd buddy up to Copper regardless of his alignment.

As scum, he'd keep me alive longer and then I'd turn on him. As town, either I or he would be NK'd for scum fearing a Town alliance.

OH WOW LOOK WHO SCUM HAVE BEEN FUCKING KILLING?

ETHER WHO HAD SOLID TOWN READS THAT WERENT SHIT.


GREYICE WHO HAD SOLID TOWN READS AND ALLIANCE HE WANTED FORMED.

HOW ABOUT THAT?

Pull your head out of your ass. Grey would not be dead if I were scum. Ether MIGHT be dead, depends on other factors. I probably would've killed Copper if he was town and I was scum the night he replaced in.

OH BUT WAIT IM NOT SCUM, COPPER REPLACED FLAKSCUMONIC, AND YOUR READS ARE ALL FUCKING BACKWARDS.

Get RayFrost back in here, I need to talk some sense into your hydra.

[Final Destination]

DON"T YOU FUCKING RUN AWAY NOW

HUH

DONT YOU FUCKING DARE I SEE YOU AGAR GET YOUR ASS IN HERE.


OH MOS I SEEYOU TOO.

LET ME SAVE YOU AN ISO:

-I STARTED OUT TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER WITH AGM AND ONLY POST SENSIBLE SHIT. LASTED UNTIL WE GOT A BIGASS WAGON ON US, AGM POSTED WITHOUT MY CONSENT RAGING AT THE STUPIDITY OF SAID WAGON, I CALMED HIM BACK DOWN AND WE ANALYZED IT.

D2-TOWN HAD THEIR HAD UP THEIR ASS,, GUMMYFLAKE WASNT POSTING CONTENT SCUM WERENT INTERSETED IN FES' LYNCH, FES WASNT INTERESTED IN POSTING ANYTHING RESEMBLING CONTENT, AND MY RAGE LEAKED OUT A LITTLE AT ALL THE INCOMPETENCE AND SLOWNESS, AND I BROKE HYDRA POSTING FORM BECAUSE OF AGMS FREQUENT LAS

D3-EVERYTHING CLICKED IN MY HEAD, THE GAMES BEEN BROKEN OPEN IMO, BUT SCUM ARE PISSING ME OFF ANY BEING FUCKING CHEEKY AND REFUSING TO BUS. ITS PISSED ME OFF TO NO END, AND THEIR USE OF CRAPTASTIC ARGUMENTS AND "ACTIVITY LAWLZ" TELLS AGAINST ME HAS PUSHED ME OVER THE EDGE AND IM ABOUT TO JUMP.


THATS MY ISO, AND IM FULLY EXPECTING COPPER TO COME IN WITH A "HURR DURR SEEMS LIKE FATE COULDNT GIVE UP HIS RAGE POSTING AFTERALL AKA HE'S SCUM SO ILL DROP DA HAMMAH"

AND THEN YOU DONKEYS WILL BE ALL o_O TOMORROW AT FUCKING LYLO.

[Final Destination]

So are you now admitting to playing an intentionally sub-optimal game in order to facilitate your survival?

Sounds like a scum strategy to me.

SOUNDS LIKE MISREPRESENTATIN TO ME.

FACILITATE MY SURVIVAL FROM NKS, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO FEAR AS FUCKING TOWN.

AS SCUM I"D FEAR BEING LYNCHED, AKA HAVING WEIRD ASS BACKPEDALING "GAMBITS" WOULD NOT FACILITATE DAY SURVIVAL.

AKA YOU ARE SAYING 'LOL APPLES ARE ORANGES' AND PUSHING THAT ON ME AS A TELL.


" YOU WANT TO

SURVIVE

night kills?

? YOU MUST BE SCUM ONLY SCUM WANT TO SURVIVE THEHEHEHEHEHHEHE"

FUCKING

PISSIN

ME


OFF

[Final Destination]

You had the ability to keep someone you knew "wihtout a doubt lol I HAVE <3 EYES FOR ETHERCHAN" alive through the night.

"lol she had a 3man bandwagon on her D1 so she was totes mislynch fodder" bullshit ISNT GOINT TO CUT IT AS AN EXCUSE.

Why did you not keep your beloved princess alive?

#1262 is a breath of FRESH TOWN, and the level of play I'd fucking EXPECT from these players if they weren't fucking scum.


Sure I backpedaled on my read of Balam, by very definition of me saying he was SCUM one day and then TOWN the other. Is it logically sound? Do I make perfect sense to you (as I do to myself)? I highly doubt it. Same goes with Daspot's posts.

BUT PRORFANE SANITY READS BEYOND THE FLAWS IN LOGIC, TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER, TO THE MOTIVATIONS, AND HE READS SHIT CORRECTLY.

THATS WHY HE IS A TOWN GOD AND I"LL FOLLOW HIM TO MY GRAVE.

[Final Destination]

FES, please, Copper is at the wings at waiting.

Until he posts a catch-up post full of HARD READS AND STANCES on all that has happened, we appeal to you to take us off L-1 at this time. If Copper decides to put us at L-1 we will claim for you because we know your intent to vote us this game has been clear for a long time.

We are saddened that our recent revelation:

WAIT THIS JUST AGM SAYS COPPER HAS POSTED.

[AGM slight approved]

[Final Destination]

Well....

Fuck.

Posts like #1267 are the reason I said we would never vote Copper outside LyLo. He makes all sorts of sense, with all his stances and reads. I'm glad he's finally good posting again, and I'm willing to forgive his V/LAing.

That said we're still not sold on his alignment. Just that if he IS scum (and to respond to an earlier comment, when I said Copper was the towniest town in the land I meant his POSTING STYLE and playing style were the best bar none in this thread), he has no choice but to bus his buddies who are making crap cases and pushing bad logic.


With that said, its time for a BACKPEDAL OF A BACKPEDAL:

(Equinox)

Post 1262 makes perfect sense... Aughdsgnkfh.

Final Destination, AGar thinks you're softclaiming, so I'mma ask you point blank: Were you?

You're fucking shitting me right?

I mean, AGM and I just stared at this post for the past 5mins, wondering "did he really just fucking post that?"

1. You say "AW FUCK. PC MAKES GOOD REASONING AS TO WHY FD IS TOWN"
2. Then say "HEY FD? WHAT ROLE ARE YOU?"

No.

NO.

NO

FUCK THAT.

YOU"RE BACK ON THE FUCKING SCUM LIST.

[AGM APPROVED]

[Final Destination]

(Equinox)

Forgot this in 1269:

Unvote

ReaperCharlie's replace out made my case against Unicorn Brethren null. My point of contention was Unicorn Brethren strategically playing like a troll on a VI pass, but ReaperCharlie apologized for that behavior and then forcibly ejected the entire hydra from the game. That tells me it wasn't intentional alignment-related play, and replacing out of a game to fulfill a win condition is absurd. We haven't addressed Mastermate because there hasn't been a reason to do so.

At that point in the game you are mentioning, as I remember, all 3 of us were running individually because we weren't able to coordinate. We emphasized that they were individual reads because people were accusing us of flip-flopping when the truth was that the hydra was internally inconsistent, not flip-flopping; apparently, we haven't been clear enough in our distinction between "I" and "we" in our language in this game.

If it's called for, I am willing to go back and outline exactly how our reads went down, names and all. Won't do it on your word, though; we're town and I don't feel like negotiating.

THATS ALL GOOD AND FUCKING NICE BUT NOW MASTERMATE ITS IN THIS GODDAMN THREAD AND YOU HAVENT MADE ONE SLIGHT HEAD MOTION TOWARDS HIM OR HIS ALIGNMENT, AND YET YOU WERE WILLING TO PUT US AT L-1 WITHOUT HIM CAUGHT UP AND WERE TAUNTING "SOMEONE TO HAMMER US WITHOUT A CLAIM"

HOLY FUCK NO.

GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS FROSTY? MY DRUNKDAR ISN SO FUCKING BAD IS IT?

[Final Destination]

I KNOW, RIGHT, MOST AWESOME BACKPEDAL EVER.

I KNOW, RIGHT, IM JUST GOING TO BACK AWAY SLOWLY AFTER BEING CALLED OUT FOR THE SCUMMIEST ROLEFISHING THATS EVER FISHED AND SAY "LOL FD BACKPEDALED AGAIN <_< >_>

LOOK THATWAY A DISTRACTION!"

YOURE FUCKING DEAD.

SOON.

[Final Destination]

@Yos: LOL MD THEORY LAND BUT STILL:

You have two choices:

A potentially roleblocked Ether (unless she's a vig who gives a fuck), thats ALIVE to scumhunt during the day

Or a dead Ether.

WHICH DO YOU CHOOSE?

"hurr durr how could I know ether would die at night?:

HOW COULD YOU KNOW WHO WOULD SUBMIT THE KILL?

YOU WOULDNT KNOW EITHER. BUT YOU COULD GUARANTEE A TOWNS SURVIVAL THROUGH THE FUCKING NIGHT.

MY STREAK

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I BLAME SCUM

[Final Destination]

We're gonna take a break from posting, let the game breathe for a bit. But Balam has all but claimed scum in thread.

He literally agrees with PC we are town, unvotes us off L-1, AND asks for our role all in one post.

FUCK NO.

One last thing:

Two last things:

it looks like he's constantly trying to lynch people who are threats to him for tactical reasons,

Ok. Why would I need to do this if I had a night kill again?

Just wondering.

Fate, who's town now? Me or Copper? You're running out of room in your scumgroup to put everyone who suspects you.

Your recent spurt of posts are a tale told by an idiot scum, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

We don't know. We're unsure. Not everyone suspecting is scum. FES isn't scum. One of you and Balam isn't scum, and since it sure as hell is BALAM right now you look a lot better. We're not going to be sold hard on either your or Copper's alignments until a couple more round of NKs, aka after Yos scum and Balamscum are lynched.

AGM and Fate OUT

[Final Destination]

I'm writing a paper for class in two hours.

I'd much rather be entertained by a scum dance though.

Lay it on us, Jester.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Okay Fate isn't on AIM anymore, but this is just too ripe of a situation for me to not claim. And I don't think Fate would object to something this awesome….

We aren't Vanilla. We're a cop.

N1 we investigated Daspot and got town. We chose him because we thought he was a ripe target for mislynch by scum, and wanted to make sure he was saved.

N2 we investigated UB/Mastermate and also got town. We choose UB because he was being a fucking unreadable trainwreck. We knew he wouldn't be nightkilled, so it would be good to have the slight paranoia there cleared up as the wild card in our reads.

There are plenty of breadcrumbs if anyone needs this.

It's insanely obvious at this point that Yos and Balam are scum together. Balam, realizing Yos is going to die today and he's going to die tomorrow, figured it would be better to try and claim and save both of them rather than needing to think of a fakeclaim tomorrow. This also explains why Balam was so desperate to get a softclaim out of us earlier - he wanted to know whether we were a safe target to lie about.

Lynch both, please and thank you.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Unvote. Vote: Balam

.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

I read 942 and I don't get how it hints at vanilla status at all. AT ALL. Moreover, even if it does in some incredibly obscure and muddled way, so what? You decided on Day 3 that it might be a good idea to have a fakeclaim? Wooooo. Did you breadcrumb at all before then?

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Daspot - We've been repeatedly calling him solid town since the start of D2, despite the fact that Fate has a very ingrained hatred of Dana. In iso #40, we specifically point out that we strongly felt dana was town being framed by FES.
UB - In our VCA, we listed UB's name in green.

[Final Destination]

HEHEHEA
HEAEHAEHHEAHAHAHEH
AE
HAEHAEHEHAHAEHEHAHEAHAHE

YAUS CAUGHT SCUM IS CAUGHT.

AND ALL HE CAN DO IS ROLLOVER AND DIE, THERES NO WAY HE CAN COME UP WITH A "HURR DURR FATE COUNTER CLAIMED ME AS SCUM DAY BEFORE LYLO FOR KIX" EXCUSE OR ANYTHING.

INSTEAD YOSBUDDY DOES IT FOR HIM.


"TEHEHHEHE FATE FAKECLAIMED BECAUSE ONCE BALAMBUDYD CONFIRMED ME FATE WAS GONAA GET LYNCHED"

NOPE, NOT REALLY. YOUR BUDDY WAS EVEN FENCE SITTING WITH "WELL I HAZ SEEN SCUM JKS BEFORE >_>b" IN CASE TOWN WANTED YOU LYNCHED REGARDLESS.

PLAN BACKFIRED.

YOU DASPOT, BALAMSCUM HAS A POINT. VOTE BALAM HES 100% SCUM OVER YOSCAYKE 99% SCUM.

[Final Destination]

FD's claim came WAY too soon to be fake. immediately (or as soon as he saw the post), w/o his partner here AGM claimed cop.

Fate fakeclaims the way most people breathe.

The fact that he came up with the fakeclaim so quickly becomes obvious when you start poking at it, though. It doesn't really hold together. Fate is claiming that this was a breadcrumb of his unicorn investigation:

Do you really think that a cop trying to breadcrumb his results would have several people in green as "confirmed town", but wouldn't do that for one of the two people he had an innocent on?

He's done these in other posts, too, and he's never had you in green.

He's lying about the breadcrumb.

SCRAMBLE SCRAMBLE SCRAMBLE.

THAT THE BEST YOU CAN COME UP WITH?

I WROTE THE BREADCRUMB, NOT AGM, SO HE COULDNT EXPLAIN FULLY.


D2 IT WAS OBVIOUS HAD DASPOT AS CONFIRMED TOWN. I DEFENDED HIM LIKE NO OTHER. A FLIP THAT NIGHT WOULDVE MADE PEOPLE GO "k he had an innocent on daspot" D3 WAS A LITTLE TRICKER. I PUT UNICORN IN ALL GREEN TO IMPLY "REALLY STRONGASS TOWN READ" SO THAT NO ONE WOULD GIVE IT A SECOND GLANCE, AKA SCUMS LIKE YOU.

IF I HA DFILLED UP HALF THE FUCKING BOARD WITH MY "GREEN TOWN READS" SCUM WOULD GO "DING DING DING COP WITH INNOCENTS" AND LIKE I SAID IVE BEEN TRYIN TO AVOID THE NK TO POE THIS SHIT DOWN.


LETS GO TOWN ALLIANCE.


FONZI I GOT NICE GOOD VIBES OFF YOUR UNVOTE TO SLOW THINGS DOWN. WELCOME TO THE TOWN CLUB, EITHER ONE OF YOU OR FESTOWN NEEDS TO JOIN AND WE'LL HAVE A 5 VOTING BLOCK ALLIANCE TO LYNCH BALAM. COPPER'S GONNA SIDE WITH ME REGARDLESS SO THATS:

PC, FD, DASPOT, MASTERMATE, COPPER.

OH WAIT THATS 5 RIGHT THERE

EHAHEHHAEHHAHEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Final Destination]

I think I agree with the above. There seems to be stronger motivation to fake on the part of FD, who were pretty much certainly going down if they didn't do something spectacular, than Balam, since there were pretty good odds of FD being lynched anyway when he claimed.

If we lynch Fate and he's town, then the worst that can happen is the game goes to endgame, because I can't see for the life of me why scum Balam would pull that gambit to save a town Yos.

If we lynch Balam and he's town, the situation is much worse, because we aren't then handed two scum and two confirmed innocents (as I type this the possibility of there being a godfather enters my head. Humph). Nonetheless, I think it's both more likely Fate is the scum here, and town's also in a better position if we're wrong that way, than if we go for Balam and he flips town: in that scenario, scum get an extra day of LyLo.

Vote: Final Destination

Oh whammy....

Why is Yos so specatcualrly fucking town? Why can't you see a Balam scum and Yos scum team?


Hell, I'll give you a Ysotown rope.


So Balam scumrole cop "confirms" Yos' role, and then we mislynch someone. Tonight Hypo Yostown dies, tomorrow Balam is "confirmed" town at MyLo. THERE IS TOTES SUCM MOTIVATION HERE.


But w/e they are both scum together and this game was about to be broken PoE style if the Yos lynch had gone through as expected, so BalamnCrew drop a gambit.

Too bad they fucked up and thought I was a VT trying to WIFOM dodge the NK (by declaring I wanted to avoid the NK, I wanted to draw it aka).


Now you tell me why I would counter-claim a Role Cop as scum when he just "confirmed" I was a VT? I could've coasted on the VT claim since Copper, PC, Daspot, and Mastermate all want to have nothing to do with my lynch.

This "Fate was going to be run up unless he did domsethign crazy" STOP USING SCUMS WORDS. You're letting Yosscum put words in your mouth, think for your fucking self Fonzi. Get up to the level PC, Daspot, and Copper are playing at for the love of town.

[Final Destination]

(Equinox)

AND ALL HE CAN DO IS ROLLOVER AND DIE, THERES NO WAY HE CAN COME UP WITH A "HURR DURR FATE COUNTER CLAIMED ME AS SCUM DAY BEFORE LYLO FOR KIX" EXCUSE OR ANYTHING.

That would be because we don't have to fight our own lynch. I know that once we die and flip town, you're next, and I have confidence in a town with this level of competency to lynch your two painfully obvious buddies. I don't have much to lose. You, on the other hand, are about to lose a heck of a lot.

Final Destination has no moves left!
Final Destination uses STRUGGLE!
Final Destination is hit with recoil!

Final Destination has fainted!

Well, this might not come for a couple of rounds.

I'm not so sure about Spot. There was this weird thing Incognito's been doing all day, where I attack Fate, and he then questions me about why I'm attacking Fate and Spot. I got the vibe that Incog was trying to defend one town and one scum at the same time, to try to make the links a little less obvious. Plus, I don't know if Fate would declare one of his buddies town at at time like this.

Hmm... Fate's capable of anything, but you do have a point about Incognito. It's just that DaSpotthatkillsu's reaction right now spelled out "S-C-U-M" in capital letters and flashy lights.

Struggle? I'm the one that counter-claimed YOU scum bag. BUt alas, I'm done talking to confirmed scum, its up to the rest of town.

FES will likely follow suit.

With Fonzi/FES+3 scum, my lynch is secured. So I'll have to sit and talk to Fonzi/FES.

I won't even use caps.

Let's have a nice chat, I can bring up non-role related reasons for why Balam is scum, starting from his supposed "UB policy lynch" that dropped into nothingness when Mastermate replaced in, going all the way back to his "let's mislynch Gummy instead, or at worst hey we get a no lynch forced!"

Or Copper could do it, since he does have a way with words and a nice hard on for Balamscum.

[Final Destination]

As Incog said, I believe FD over Balam. However, I think we should lynch YFC today - I don't see the reason for scumBalam to pull that for a townYFC, so I think they have the same alignment. It's better to get rid of a roleblocker than an unknown mafia power role here because then scum are forced to either kill FD (deciding tomorrow's lynch for us) or let him investigate (giving us another night's results should he flip town).

Fonzi, the only way that works is if Balam really is a rolecop. This isn't out of the realm of possibility, but we'll know if that's the case as soon as Balam flips, and I don't see why he'd try to draw a claim from FD in a way that outs him as scum when he could have used his real target from either night instead, especially given how much suspicion FD was under.
- smarg

Hmmmmmmm. As much as this makes sense (lynch scum RB so I can get an investigation guaranteed and there no WIFOM tomorrow with Yosscum nokilling to solidify his claim or anything), I'm hesistant to go outside a 100% scumbag, because of the slight chance I outlined earlier where Balamscum white knights and kills Yos over night and is "confirmed" in LyLo, but that is very VERY slight due to day play Yos scum being scum as fuck.


Balam, since no one's asked you for god knows what reasons and I didnt ask because you're scum and I don't give much of a fuck: Why'd you target who you targeted? AWFULLY CONVIENENT night actions, they almost line up PERFECTLY with today's situation.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Final Destination]

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

WHOA WHAAT THE FUCK IS THIS AND WHY DID NO ONE SEE IT?

[Final Destination]

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

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leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd.

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then

bus driver,

is pretty absurd.

FAIL GAMBIT

FUCKING


FAIL

[Final Destination]

(Equinox)

leaving himself as confirmed scum if I die and flip anything other then bus driver, is pretty absurd

...what?

"oh FUCK"

[Final Destination]

I read the thread backwards, scumbag, and its WORKED SO FAR.

Mason fishing? Fucking seriously?
I was being lurky so I could be a PR?

What kind of horseSHIT is this.

[Final Destination]

Anyone who looks at how the events of today unfolded need only to see the smoothness and "consistency" in the scum dance, and then jarring chaos that is town (mine)'s approach to today.


-Balam starts out with a "HURP DURP" UB policy lynch and gets shit tons of flak. He drops it and doesn't pick up that slot again even after Mastermate replaces in.
-I drunkrage at Balam, while also being suspicious of YosCayke. Balam backs down to appease me and calls me town, and interacts strangely with the Yos gambit, as it was all planned in the QT.
-As Copper noted, Yos shows no fear of a hammer from either of his buddies, knowing full well Balam wouldn't touch him.
-Yos eventually is forced to claim, as town are not budging.
-Town still refuse to budge, a Yos lynch is eminent
-Balam rolefishes me, blatantly. This is so obviously and overtly scummy there's not much he can do to recover from it after Yos flips scum. Copper comes in and reaffirms his scum read on Balam. Balam is now suspected by two people and will not survive another day.
-Balam comes in with a "role cop" clearing of Yos' role, and another "result" on me because he thinks he can push me over Yos. This targets are very convenient for today, the top two wagons and he has a result on BOTH? Wow what great timing and Luck BALAM.
-I go LOLWTFNO, and counter-claim him. Revealing my innocents.
-Yos immedaitely goes "FLAIL FATE GAMBIT FLAIL FATE WAS ABOUT TO DIE" when such wasn't the case at all, and completely ignores the possibility that Balam is scum protecting him, and that my sense makes more sense from town at this juncture.


And there you have a summary of today's events from Balamscum.

From FDTOWN:
-Innocent on Kdca and UB, and I have a strong read on PC for town. That's a 4 block right there, and I had a tentative read on Copper as town.
-I go onto FES again, fucking sick and tired of his complete and total fuckign APATHY for this game. I tunnel him some more, and get a couple votes on me.
-Yos' vote in particular struck a chord with me, and it made me open my eyes

What if Yos is scum defending FES this whole fucking time like I thought before? He seems so ridiculously "town tunneled" about FES and he votes me whenever its popular."

at the time Fonzi's case made the most sense against me, but I wasn't going to sit there and say "yeah Fonzi thats fine you suspect us for that, but you're wrong" so I lashed out him Fate-style to try and show him my passion about how wrong he was.
-I call a Yos/Fonzi/Balam team. I feel pretty good about this given the cumulative reads and the way these slots have danced around.
-Balam reacts to my drunk posting in a townish passionate angry way (now shown to be scumrage that I drunkposted in one game when he was town and now when he's scum, so he's just mad I call him scum regardless and this time he IS scum), and I drop that read for a Copper scumread who had been lurking hardcore at this point.
-Yos scum gets run up, stalls for awhile with his fakeclaim. I want him dead so badly but the only one's left to appeal to for a hammer are Copper mcPROTOWN and people who wrongly think I'm scum. I get frustrated and post a lot, arguing with scum instead of talking to town.
-Yos claims JK, an obv bullshit claim in my eyes for the fact that I said I wouldn't believe a doc claim (ether died) or a cop claim (OH HAI IT WAS FUCKING ME), and I scream for his hammer
-Copper posts making sense lots of cents
-Balam scums it the fuck up in thread, and role fishes me, which makes me put him back on the scumlsit ASAP and I want him dead
-Balam scum claims to clear Yos' role, and says I'm a vanilla. AGM CCs for us and shows our breadcrumbs.

THERE you have it. Which is the more townish train of thought, progressing through this game trying to get fuckin reads with the info they have? Which is the one manipulating said information and claiming things that fit "perfectly" in the puzzle to steer the lynch in their favor?

FONZI, FES, MASTERMATE. I APPEAL TO YOU.

I'll be here all week, not the week-end though. Fire away.

[Final Destination]

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[Final Destination]

Wait we're town now, FD? Because we unvoted? Seriously?

I am impressed by the size of your balls to actually use the word appeal in your emotional appeal.

People that think Yos is scum: Ahahahaha.

What the fuck is your problem?

AGM tells me your meta is to be a fucking jackass, so ok whatever.

YES you did something townish and it gave us a town read on you.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THAT YOU ASSHAT?

[Final Destination]

Oh for a second there I thought Daspot had caught Yos in a 1v1 as well, but scumyosRB really DID RB Daspot last night, so it doesn't fly.

This SHOULD confirm Daspot as town to all the dumb TROLOLOLers though.

@Daspot: YOU ARE TOWN CONFIRMED SIX WAYS BY ROLEAND BY MY INVESTIGATION

BUT WE ARE LYNCHING BALALALALOLZ

[Final Destination]

I already addressed it "you fuck"

We both know why you're so mad at me.

Hehehehehhehehe WELL TOO FUCKIN BAD SCUM

[Final Destination]

You're "DASPOT IS FAKECLAIMIN SCUMBUDDY FOR NO REASON"

Ok, then why doesn't his claim actually INCRIMINATE anyone or anything?

Because its FUCKING REAL, just like mine.

Yours is the bullshit odd one conviennt scumbag claim.


This game's wrapped up.

[Final Destination]

Oh ok Equinox calls Daspot town while AGar gets to play the TROLOL DASPOT IS SCUMBUDDY TO FD route.


You should co-ordinate your scum fakereads in QT before you post them in thread.

[Final Destination]

I just sent a question to the mod. Fate was kind enough to spill the beans and reveal that his scum team has a roleblocker, so I'm asking what would happen if I was roleblocked last night.

I really can't believe Spot is scum here. There's no advantage to the scum team in having their third member suicide now that Fate and PC have been caught. I don't think he could be that foolish. Something is going on here.

Its called BALAM IS FUCKIN SCUM.

[Final Destination]

Daspot confirms that Yos blocks him. So Yos is DEFINITELY a scum RB of some kind.

We know him to be scum with Balam.

Balam screams and flails to get himself lynched over YosRBbuddy.

Hmm

[Final Destination]

Why the fuck would I investigate obvscum? THEY ARE FOR LYNCHING. THey are more likely to be a godfather if I get an innocent, PLUS if I 180 on them it throws up red flags, making us more likely to RB'd/Lynched.

This has always been my cop philosophy, so we're not gonna go into THAT debate.

[Final Destination]

He's saying that because he breadcrumbed he knew Yos' role that he's "confirmed' as a role-cop.

[Final Destination]

I agree with my partner.

lets do this.

VOTE: Final Destination I'm sorry fate and AGM but they make too much sense.

No. Don't you fucking "I"M SORRY ME."

I've been respecting your play this whole time, and even your reads, and now you pull THIS SHIT?


Why? Because of role claims and speculation?

YOS IS SCUM ROLEBLOCKER AND HE BLOCKED YOU AND YOU KNOW THAT.


"Lynching for the most information" what kind of HORSESHIT IS THIS.

How about we lynch SCUM so we don't have our heads up our ass at LyLo 4:3, which scum are ALWAYS favored in?

[Final Destination]

Fun times.

Despite Danaspots claim (which I believe to be legitimate), I think the lynch is between Balam and FD. I don't really think the claim itself tells us anything, despite the fact it kind of looks like it does.

Belams claim's also fine as that breadcrumbs pretty good and his behaviours been pretty town too. I don't think Belam is running cover on his scumbuddy Yos. FD's claim looks a lot like bollocks made up under pressure.

[/Not Mastermate Approved]

Well get Mastermate to approve it. All your reads are just fine and you're falling for CLASSIC RAYFROST SCUM.

When he's caught down to the wire, he SPAMS pro-town like posts like no tomorrow. If you are so easily fooled by "LYNCH MENOW ILL FLIP TOWN" and his newbie coachings of Kdca in thread, then I can't help you.


All I can do is point to my post summarizing the events of today, and wonder why no one else except Copper and PC see the same progression of events I do. I mean Fonzi/FES are tunnel brothers for life, (OH BY THEFUCKING WAY, FES SHOULD POST BEFORE NIGHT FONZI DONT YOU FUCKIN HAMMER BEFORE THEN) so I understand that. but DASPOT 180ing for no reason because of role interactions that are clearly over his head?

Whatever.

[Final Destination]

What are you talking about Daspot?

If your claim CATCHES scum Yos, which it doesn't. All it does is prove he CNA roleblock so its not a 100% certainty, WHY THE FUCKING LOVING HELL IS YOUR VOTEO N ME YOUR TOP FUCKING TOWN READ?

[Final Destination]

Deadline is May 1st.

If the hammer is dropped ANYWHERE NEAR BEFORE THEN they become lynch fodder. There is no reason to rush this day without FES' input and Mastermate not even on the same page.

I don't care who you think is scum out of FD/Balam, if you're town you will let this play out longer.

[Final Destination]

Daspot, stalling for what/

FES and Mastermate haven't even fully commented on everything that's happened. Why are you rushing this day?


Yos is scum from your point of view right? How does he make MORE sense as scum with me, then scum with Balam?

[Final Destination]

Daspot there's no reason for my death to show us "two scums" when they can be lynched right here today. I never give up as town and rollover, because I find myself too valuable for town to die like this ESPECIALLY WHEN IM A FUCKING COP.

The fact that Balam is saying "yeah go ahead and lynch me" is just blatant reverse psychology. As a real town role cop, he'd fight for my lynch so hard because it would "clear" himself and Yos.

INstead he's scum that doesn't want to look like his motivation is to survive

so he's posting the opposite way.

If you can't see through this then you are not good enough of a player to be in this game thread. You had it, you were almost there, you had the CORRECT reads, but then you went and said "well IF FD IS SCUMZ then..." and you're lynching me just because my town flip will out two scum.

A Policy lynch for information instead of a LYNCH on who you think is scum.

[Final Destination]

Daspot, stalling for what/

FES and Mastermate haven't even fully commented on everything that's happened. Why are you rushing this day?


Yos is scum from your point of view right? How does he make MORE sense as scum with me, then scum with Balam?

Time, bro. Time.
You can see the writing on the wall, and delaying this can only make us reconsider what would be a deadly decision to your team.
If you flip scum, Yos is clear, and we were wrong. We're willing to admit that.

You are WRONG right now. Do you not see the TOWN motivation in wanting everyone's OPINIONS on the lynch and claims of the day before heading into LyLo the next day? Because if you lynch me it IS going to be LyLo. And you will have FES (who you thought to be scum when you knew I was town), and Mastermate (cleared by me but maybe he'll die over night since he's cop cleared) without having made any input on this situation.


Daspot, I cleared you N1. Look at my posts and tell me I haven't known you were town this whole time.

DANA. Me. Fate. Cleared you as town. Remember last time I Was scum? I got you lynched for kicks, because

it is so easy because your posts are so bad.

LOOK AT THIS GAME AGAIN. Who ahs been trying to go for your easy lynch? YOSFUCKINGCAYKE. They are SCUM. They smell MISLYNCH on you and pushed it.

Now, seriously, wake up before you single-handedly cost town this game.

[Final Destination]

Apparently I have thirty minutes to live, since I re-read last page and PC supports the hammer as well.

Walp.

I guess it's time.

[Final Destination]

Et tu Profanete?

[Final Destination]

This should clear some things up Profane, because Balam is telling the truth about his claim. Still, I thought him to be a scum role-cop so I went for it.

I am a Vanilla Townie. I have no abilities.

Reasons for this gambit:
-We thought we had enough town support to get Balam lynched over us, in that enough people thought us town to lynch Balam over us in a 1v1.
-I'm Fate, I gambit as TOWN like I breathe, as YosScum says, and it wouldn't be a Fate hydra without one. We'd been planning this fake-cop claim for awhile, because we figured a fake-guillty would be needed to take down the behemoth that is Copper scum.
-Since we think Balam to be a scum role-cop, counter-claiming him meant

all three scumbags would know we were lying as town and that our lynch would not implicate Balam. Scum would show no fear in lynching me over Balam today, and that would be apparent in the day interactions

these day interactions I'll analyze.

Why we thought Balam scum enough to Counter-claim

AIM.

One night on AIM RayFrost messaged me. I don't remember how the conversation started, but it devolved into ranting about my playstyle and my drunk posting and how stupid and unproductive it was. He was pretty emotionally upset, and it turned into him insulting my competence and ability to play mafia, as in "your reads are always shit and when you're right you're lucky." This set me off, I told him to go fuck off, who was HE to come onto AIM, waste my time, and tell ME how to play and insult my style?

He realized he stepped over the line too far, and apologized and said it was all because he was really upset at our drunk posting. This was pushing the boundaries of site rules a bit, because it was clear he was implying that he was pissed at my drunk posting in THIS GAME, but nonetheless my read on Balam was altered. I explained to him the town motivations behind when I drunk post, and he agreed to disagree with my methods.


In thread I tried to play it off as a gambit, aka "oh I was just trolling Balam to get reactions, he's town" when I really had a newfound town read on him due to the AIM posting.

Now, Balam backed off as well and said "FD's drunk postnig is town posting." Which I believe was due to my AIM conversation about MD theory and drunkposting.

So when AGar put us back at L-1, and RayFrost had apparently approved of that vote on us, the set me and AGM off. We were determined to think that Ray was scum manipulating us in AIM instead of using the discussion we had (me explaining why I drunk post as town) to solidfy their town read on us.

Then they say us soft-claiming, as a scum role-cop. YEAH we were softclaiming in an attempt to draw the NK, just like I pointed out earlier (WIFOM to draw the NK by saying we wanted to avoid it). They smelled Fate fake-claim gambit, and decided to try and get us lynched off "softfakeclaiming as a VT" when it isn't really scummy at all to softclaim as a VT to draw a kill.

Analysis of reactions to our gambit, since the scum know we're lying:

Yos:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/posting. ... 13#preview

As expected, scum would comb through our posts knowing our cop claim was fake. LOOKING for any holes in it play wise or crumb wise. Yos is the first to jump on this, as well as posts like these:

I have a good feeling about the way this is going.

Anyway.

FACT 1: Ether Balam or FD now must be lying scum. Their claims obviously contradict. We are now going to be lynching one or the other of them today, and if that one flips town, we lynch the other one.

FACT 2: Between the two of them, FD clearly has a lot more to gain from a fakeclaim. Heading towards a deadline, we were basically deadlocked between a wagon on me and a wagon on Fate. With Balam mostly confirming my claim, FD was almost certain to be lynched if he did nothing. Assuming Fate-scum, he would have to do something drastic at that point in order to not lose. If he could at least bring down a town power role before he goes, his scumteam would be in a much stronger position.

On the other hand, I don't see any reason for Balam to fakeclaim there. It's also consistant with the way he was demanding I claim or die on the spot, hestiated when I hinted I was a power role, and then dropped it completly when I claimed jailkeeper.

At this point, Fate-scum seems far more likely then Balam-scum. I don't understand what kind of crazy gambit Balam would have to be running for a fake-claim here to make sense. On the other hand, a desperate fakeclaim is just what I'd expect out of a cornered Fate; it's pretty much his trademark move.

He's comfortable putting us in a 1v1 with his buddy, because he knows we won't flip town Cop. He shows no fear going all out to get us lynched as I would expect scum to at this point. He ignores his meta of me as a Gambit-extraordinaire as TOWN, since my scum meta contains not even 5% as many gambits.

Lol.

Balam's claim, if uncountered, meant I was not going to get lynched today. You will admit that, right?

If I was not going to be lynched today, there's a 95% chance that Fate was. He was in trouble anyway even before Balam claimed, his only hope of survival was to get me lynched instead of him since the odds of a third wagon coming up out of nowhere this close to deadline is quite low.

Fate knew this. He had to do something drastic, some kind of fakeclaim, or die.

But notice that Balam was speculating a scum jailkeeper? He was LEAVING THE OPTION TO BUS YOS OPEN still. Their claims are clearly meant to have one live as confirmed when the other flips scum.

Also notice this:

Daspot was roleblocked N2, we know this to be true.

Why in the bloody fuck would scum roleblock Daspot? Mislynch fodder like him, they WANTED to keep him on lock down. So, N1 Balam ACTUALLY role-copped Daspot (not Yos his own buddy), and got tracker.
N2

YosCayke roleblocks the town tracker.

These events line up real well, and solidifies the pairing even more in our minds.

That's the first buddy, the SECOND buddy is harder to spot. But, I'm afraid we believe its Copper (sorry man, I wish we could ride the bustrain with you but you slipped):

I, personally, have never seen a scum Jailkeeper. I have heard of a scum Role Cop, however.

YosCayke, is there any reason you're choosing to assume that Balam is on the up and up from his results? Did you already answer this somewhere in this mess of the past few pages?

I feel like we can plan this lynch out a little better. There's been a bit too much spam and not quite enough rational discussion here. We have three supposed power roles, all, of course, claiming to be town aligned.

A Tracker, Role Cop, and a Jailkeeper, right?

Not implausible by any stretch of the imagination. I'm still having trouble understanding exactly what happened between DaSpot and YosCayke though. YosCayke locked up DaSpot during both previous nights? Otherwise, FES, will you confirm DaSpot's allegation?

I find it nigh impossible and implausible that Copper FORGOT we were a claimed cop at this juncture. It was the big she-bang, it was the 1v1 of the day, it was the MAIN EVENT as it were. He noticed Daspot's tracker claim, but not our cop claim?

Unlikely.

What did happen, is that he knows we are fakeclaming and not a real cop, as his role-cop buddy got that result on us (probably crumbed it one of their first posts or something), and did not factor our role into the set-up.

There you have it. The full story. The bare truth. The Wall of Gambit as it were. Take it as you will, but realize that lynching us and us flipping Vanilla Townie will NOT "confirm" two scum for LyLo tomorrow. That is why I have been so reluctant to die today.

[AGM Approves that this post will likely determine the Fate of this game]

[Final Destination]

Simple.

I really DID have to write a paper, so we used that to our advantage.

Given my reputation if

AGM

made a fake-claim gambit rather than me, it would be infinitely more likely to be believed.

We discussed that on AIM before I logged off and he made the claim. I pointed out the fake-crumbs and the fake-innocents that made the most sense, and then I let him write the post and the claim.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Hehehahaha. All according to PLAN, PC. All according to plan.

[Final Destination]

I'm not surprised Balam isn't going to relent on his vote on us.

We're no longer in a 1v1 Balam, but you're scum and our lynch is so close so I CAN"T BLAME YOU.

The reason I outed the gambit because I could see PC realized things didn't add up, and because Daspot was lynching us based on our claim that would confirm two scum. It will not confirm two scum, since we're VT.


RayFrost modkill? Meh. At WORST I figured it would be a double-force replacement for both our slots, but given the strain that would put on TBM I was reluctant to push the issue. PLUS the case can be made that we were strictly talking MD theory and talking about my drunk posting in KittyMo's Open game.

[Final Destination]

There... you... I..... I just have no fucking words right now.

I <3 you too Fonzi

/grin

[Final Destination]

His honor? Everything I said was true.

We didn't talk about this game in particular, we talking about drunk posting as a tactic and how it pissed him off.

I mean it can be INFERRED that he was complaining about this game in particular, which is why I INFERRED a town read on him and 180'd on his slot.

But to say its modkill worthy is a stretch.

Equinox when are you going to flip Town Role Cop? We're abuot to be lynched. I'm just claiming to throw out ALL the information out there before night fall, everything to be analyzed and discussed.

A lynch on us while we were still fakeclaiming cop reveals no information for tomorrow since it turns out we WERE lying. Now that we'll be lynced for "scummy play" or whatever the case on us is now, it can be analyzed appropriately tomorrow.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Dana, please calm down. I understand this is an odd maneuver, to say the least, but it's really not that big of a deal. Allow me to explain:

1) At no point in the conversation was this game specifically discussed.
2) RayFrost came to Fate, not the other way around.
3) The integrity of this game is still intact. We have not ruined anything. Nobody has any insider information about anyone's roles.

Yes, we know something about how Balam's play. However, using this piece of information is really no different than using normal meta. We are saying that, because of something Balam knows about Fate, Balam ought to be doing this in the game. It's the same as comparing play to old mafia games, using MD theory, or playstyle meta.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

No. This is a case of game integrity. That goes above any strain on the part of the moderator. If you are going to push a case like this, you should have brought it to TheButtonmen's attention and let him make the ruling. That Open game ended a while before you made your drunken posts here; if RayFrost contacted you after that bout of drunk posting, he violated the rules and the game's integrity, and we should be modkilled.

I don't see how you can call it a low blow from us. If anything, we are trying to continue playing the game without a modkill. To me, that seems like the more honorable course of option.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

NOT DANA ASSHOLES

Sorry, Kcdaspot. You don't sign your posts so it's hard to know. Anyway, read what I wrote. Nothing has violated the rules. Take a deep breath and rethink your fury.

[Final Destination]

[AGM]

Well, that's the hammer. We certainly didn't mean any harm, and maintain that the conversation was the legitimate use of meta. And, even if you think we're "disgraceful" or whatnot, I hope everyone still recognizes that we've successfully called the team and this can be pulled out as a town win.