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Hello everyone, glad to be here in my first large format game on mafiascum (but not ever, have played large games on another site)."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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[raise]Shadow1psc[/raise]zoraster wrote:Put your hands down on yourself. We get nothing out of self-votes on that. It's fine if you want to do it when we're close to lynching and it's you vs. someone else, but the raise your hand function is only valuable if we're coming to a consensus as town. If the person who wins wins with 2 or 3 votes by virtue of the fact everyone wanted to be hand of the king, we won't get much information out of it, and it becomes fairly likely scum will have gotten the power.
Mostly, though, I'd prefer to leave elevating someone to the hand of the king to when I actually get some town reads and not have all this static from self-votes.
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VOTE: Locke Lamora"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy""I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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I know like two people in this game. Since when is not throwing a random vote that's just gonna be retracted scummy? I can random vote comically, but not self raise comically? I don't expect in the slightest to get the power, nor do I want it."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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That's a fair point, but one could say the same value of voting. I saw voting and raising as an empirically equivalent action as far as pure statistics goes. I could have random self voted to, it happens and people don't tend to freak out over it in RVS. If it makes you guys feel better though;Magua wrote:
Raising yourself tells us nothing about you. Three days from now, it will still tell us nothing about you.Shadow1psc wrote:It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"
Raising someone else tells us nothing about you *at this point in time*. Three days from now, it may tell us quite a bit about you.
Self-raising isn't scummy per se; it is, however, pointless for the town, which is what makes it attractive to scum.
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"Scum could be self voting because they know its town. Or they could be self voting because they know we know scum knows its town" etc etc etc.danakillsu wrote: And yet the very fact that you know this statistic tells us that scum could easily have seen this and decided to self-raise because "that's what town does"."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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To be fair, I don't see many games hit the ground running so hard. There's usually a few pages of random-whatever-stage before people start harping on things, so I threw down some comedy. Though I'm glad I could be a catalyst of discussion."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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You were never a town read *shrug*
Anyway, different game. As long as you don't kick your caps lock up to 11, we'll have a dandy time."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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While its slow, I guess I'll take a moment to mention that I am most active when I work, which is a normal 8-4 weekday kinda deal. I tend to try and read along through the weekends from iPhone/iPad, but I don't post much on Friday-Sunday."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Oh this is gonna be fun. I assume you can't confirm your restriction, nor if you are in fact some variation of tree stump eh."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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lolpuns. Anyway, that's a pretty interesting role to have, is there any precedent for it, and hasdgfas, do you have limitations to what you can do through *actions*?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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The only other thing I'd like to know from Hasg is if he can vote/raise or not. Also I have to wonder (and if I'm over-stepping my bounds or this is something we don't want scum to know, ignore it), does breach of your restriction result in a) modkill, or b) tree-stumping? If I'm going too far into modkill territory myself by asking, just ignore this >_>"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Grey is one of two people I've played a full game with in this thread (Chesskid being the other one), so I apologize if I seem like a VI because I know how annoying it is (and do win my fair share of games).
That out of the way, I'm not sure what to make of Grey in this game, parallel with the one I just played with him. I wanna call it scum, but truth be told he got quick hammered by scum d1 before he could really get grilled. I'd be lying if I said I didn't find the merit in some of his original points about raising, and he did back down on clamoring for Governor when he learned it couldn't save itself (which, correct me if I'm wrong is almost always the case). I find it more odd that he didn't know that, but he gave up on it when he realized it's not as big a deal as he thought so all that wrapped up together strikes me as town that effectively did nothing except draw out DGB, who on gut reaction I simply like less and less as he posts."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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FWIW I've never been scum here (I was hoping to get it this game and was excited when my role came up Lannister... then went 'awwww')."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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My point is that he couldn't use it, or would be shoe-horned into not using it, else we'd lynch him.Benmage wrote:
Quick skim confirms my read on Grey.Shadow1psc wrote:viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16004
FWIW I've never been scum here (I was hoping to get it this game and was excited when my role came up Lannister... then went 'awwww').
I've seen difficult post restrictions like that be both town and scum.Shadow1psc wrote:I just had an idea?
Why don't we raise Sir Payne to governor...?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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I'm pretty blind. I didn't even catch that Hasgd was the first on my wagon even. Terrible. As far as fencing on GreyIce, I got him lynched as town before, and the game wasn't long enough for me to determine then, nor is it now if his playstyle is currently contradictory to former. I'm leaning more towards yes, but *shrug*. We've got a deadline a mile away."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Haven't you heard? Raising yourself is a scum te*gets shot*MagnaofIllusion wrote:
The best question is ... why haven't you raised yourself? It hard to jump on a wagon you aren't even supporting yet.Benmage wrote:Yeah and if I'm town, why haven't you raised me?
MoI your town. Do me a favor and raise me. LETS start this wagn"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Zoraster hasn't posted nearly enough content. And it's not like he was around for the majority of the thread, he was gone after the morning. I disagreed (and provoked) him, and he called Grey scummy, who at the time might as well have been white knighting me possibly from that PoV. I don't get all the suspecting when there's other players doing scummier things with much more content."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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^ In context he voted me for directly quoting his first post and raising myself. It was logical, and he FoS'd greyice for arguing it too. I see that less about being scum on a BW (which i don't remember if it was a BW by the time he made his third post), and more stubborn town."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Oh, there was. That shit happened a lot quicker than I thought. Is the cow normally a pretty good/perceptive player? Also, the hydracorn has been my FoS next to DGB until DGB started making more sense."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Deja vu. Today just seems like a big repeat of a lot of yesterday. Anyway, as mentioned before, my weekends with mafia are sparse. Grey has continually looked too pushy and boisterous, and is my strongest FoS at this point, so I'm going to lay my vote down now. I don't expect a quick lynch or anything, but I'm putting my stance out there.
VOTE: GreyICE"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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DGB - why do you consistently have me in your (small) town read list, yet keep entertaining the idea that I may also be scum? Which is it?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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@Feysal
We have a lot of people, and only a few days worth of posts. If reading correctly, at least 10 of our player base are enjoying the weekend, and we had a late-in-the-week start. Discussion was pretty good the first day, then dropped off, as I assume it will most weekends. SO as far as scum-hunting, or lack thereof, I've only ever been in one large format game (different site), where there was 27 players and a 48 hour day cycle, on top of already knowing the playerbase, so this is a different experience coming into a different community, with people I don't know in a large volume, where I don't have the advantage of knowing peoples' habits or scum tells, nor the time to read past games on 20+ people. I'm doing the best I can though, and the longer I'm alive, the more value I'll be I'm sure, and I know I work well in the smaller formats."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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What makes you think either of us is vanilla? I agree with the logic that giving it to a vanilla just makes for more NK fodder to draw away from what real power town may have, but we can't really narrow down who that is without also narrowing down scum's list of who not to shoot. Powerfishing?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Obviously, BUT, that was a roundabout way of pointing out that it's stupid to try and fish out a vanilla to pin it to, because everyone (smart) is either gonna claim vanilla, or stay quiet, and in either case narrow down the pool of people scum should be shooting.chesskid3 wrote:Protip: If people want to believe you are vanilla, let them."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Ok, sorry for the lack of content yesterday, but I was sick PLUS Valentine's day PLUS the pre-release and subsequent midnight release of Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 so yeah...
I'm gonna go back and quote stuff, but here's the tl;dr version:
I almost felt better about GreyICE, but he went back and proved me wrong. I feel worse about Hascow - I believe it was answered that he doesn't have a list of 'mod approved' actions in his post restriction, and if that's the case, he's being intentionally unhelpful in some of his posts where he could make more sense. DGB... could be over-zealous town, but is going about his conviction in an anti-town way. I could see both DGB and Hascow being scum, ESPECIALLY if we're dealing with two scum teams. More to come."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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This is a great example of Hascow just being confusing, and why it would have been pertinent to establish this sooner; There seems to be a lot of canned response going on here. Bolding for 'wtf does that even mean'. You're either really into your character, to the point of being unhelpful, or you're really into your fake claim.hasdgfas wrote:DrippingGoofball wrote:Nice choice, hascow is probscum. That old role might be the inspiration that gave him the idea that he could get away with a lot of nonsense by faking a post restriction.
I WANT TO SEEHASCOWBREAK THE POST RESTRICTION IN HIS NEXT POST.
*raises eyebrow*Magua wrote:hasdgfas' posts make my head hurt. Specifically #281.
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I don't think I need to quote DGB's posts asking Cow to break his restriction, those are all pretty self explanatory on the scum scale.
o.O As much as I'd like to, I don't think everyone else feels nearly as good about me. I'm the new kid in town here, and people aren't necessarily going to trust me, even with a town read.Raivann wrote:unraise, Raise: Shadow1pscCatch!
What was the point of this question? Hascow is either a) lying, or b)has some kind of consequence obviously laid out to him by the mod (ala stumping, or w/e). A mod confirmed townie is great, but much more likely to die at some point.Benmage wrote:If you modded a game, and put in a post restriction role and the person PURPOSELY broke said post restriction. Would you modkill them?MOD
I was pointing out that trying to pin Gov. on a 'vanilla' is a pointless exercise. Everyone (smart) is going to claim vanilla, because saying "Oh, no, don't raise me, I'm the cop/doc/bodyguard/whatever" would be downright idiotic. Additionally, scum have no problem claiming vanilla I assume, so 'town read+vanilla' isn't really a qualifier for this. The second half of that argument is that even if it did work as planned, you're just narrowing down the list of people scum have to sift through when fishing for power role kills.xvart wrote:
I'm not following this conversation. What does being smart and claiming vanilla have to do with anything and how are they comparable?Shadow1psc, 362 wrote:
Obviously, BUT, that was a roundabout way of pointing out that it's stupid to try and fish out a vanilla to pin it to, because everyone (smart) is either gonna claim vanilla, or stay quiet, and in either case narrow down the pool of people scum should be shooting.chesskid3 wrote:Protip: If people want to believe you are vanilla, let them.
Here's the post that bothers me, any time I see it from anyone - Town can be wrong. A lot of town will even be stubborn about it to a fault. This sounds like an easy way to set up a lynch come Hascow's flip. It forces DGB into this trap, scum or no, that ties him now to Hascow, and with DGB's answer, is just fuel for scum should Hascow flip town and DGB flip town. Obvious WIFOM all over the place and very specific scenario, but not unlikely if GreyICE is informed minority, and again, possibility of rival scum factions.GreyICE wrote:Okay, this behavior is totally fucking antitown. Look at the options DGB wants to hand to a town-hascow:
1) Break a real post restriction deliberately, incite modkill. Day ends, we lose our lynch
2) Hascow doesn't break the restriction, DGB insists we lynch him. He flips town, day ends.
@DGB- are you sure enough that Hascow is scum that you would be willing to be lynched tomorrow if he flips town?
P.S. I've had my vote three serious places so far. I'm really content with all three of them. My scumreads just get scummier.
Call me the village idiot, Benmage, but I think I'm getting results, while you rant and moan about policy lynching the world.
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Yeah. I'm most active during the weekdays, so if I'm absent during them there's usually a reason, and I like to be courteous and explain it is all *shrug*.LynchMePls wrote:
Do you always apologize for not posting one day? Why? Also, why did you feel the apology needed 3 excuses?Shadow1psc wrote:Ok, sorry for the lack of content yesterday, but I was sick PLUS Valentine's day PLUS the pre-release and subsequent midnight release of Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 so yeah..."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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What about my post just now has nothing in the way of scum hunting? My vote is down, I continue to support it, and I'm even for alternate lynch candidates. I don't comment on every little thing, and I keep some observations to myself when useful for watching for scum slips.zoraster wrote:
Got confused with another ongoing game.Zdenek wrote: Zoraster, I also would like hearing why you thought ChessKid was dead.
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Shadow is firmly on my scum detector. I don't see him trying to find scum at all, while trying to slip under the radar. Because nothing has changed from my initial scum reads, that makes LL, Kast and Shadow my scum reads. I'd love to see a wagon on any one of them."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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If you're gonna jump on me too, I can provide examples where I do this in every game on d1, where I both a) explain what days I'm usually active and b) apologize if I am inactive for some reason. I just believe in courtesy, and nipping things at the bud. Call it over defensive if you will, but if you wanna pick that to harp on, you're missing much bigger problems.LynchMePls wrote:
This is so lame. I'm not sure if it's scummy though. The jury is still out.Shadow1psc wrote:
Yeah. I'm most active during the weekdays, so if I'm absent during them there's usually a reason, and I like to be courteous and explain it is all *shrug*.LynchMePls wrote:
Do you always apologize for not posting one day? Why? Also, why did you feel the apology needed 3 excuses?Shadow1psc wrote:Ok, sorry for the lack of content yesterday, but I was sick PLUS Valentine's day PLUS the pre-release and subsequent midnight release of Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 so yeah..."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Are you reading the thread?zoraster wrote:
I think I have an idea who cow is (or is claiming to be) and potentially why the mods would have done it that way. I'm not sure I should reveal l it at this point because I'm not sure of my guess and it might not help town to know this early, but I'd love if cow would address my previous question to him.As far as Cow and his restriction goes my gut says he is faking it, mostly because I am having a hard time understanding what he is trying to say. I don't think the mod would cripple someone that bad for the whole game. But it's all WIFOM'y but that is easily solved by a bullet between the eyes. The best solution to it all I think.
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@Magua: I see your point, but not the 3 other people voting him. He's definitely not worth voting over some of the other people here =\"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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This is the feeling I got, and is why I questioned the wagon on him in the first place :3Bunnylover wrote:
I just got through reading Diddin ISO, and throughout it I didn't get a single read of if he's scum or town.Magua wrote:@Mod:xvart has 4 votes on him, not 3, and Benmage has 5 raises, ahead of Twilight Sparkle's 4.
bunnylover, chesskid, thoughts on diddin?
I actually like his last post he made.
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What the hell kinda scum vote?Xtoxm wrote:Sad to see GreyICE and DGB go like that, but I can't blame either of them.
Vote: Xvart
Why have people decided this Governor ability is something they want to keep in the game?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Seriously, people look at Xtoxm.
To address your most recent post; GreyICE's (main) case on Xvart was almost completely misconstrued. Coupled with that blow up against DGB, and just his general scumminess this entire game is why my vote hasn't moved from him. It's like he would take one step forward, then two steps back every time I caught up."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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... I'd like you to point out exactly the tell you're talking about.danakillsu wrote:ICE seemed like genuine (if bull-headed and rude) frustrated townie. I see what he pointed out with xvart as a major scumtell, and increasing the pressure seems in order.unvote vote:xvart"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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That's what I thought. You wanna go back and read that exact post AGAIN? This is half the reason there's even a wagon on Xvart, probably not even the scum half =\danakillsu wrote:
This one. Implies heavily that he has a townread on GreyICE, then says he likes him for lynching.xvart wrote:
Because you can have a town read on someone you don't trust to use the power, for one?diddin, 252 wrote:If you're as confident that GreyICE is town as it seems you are, why are you still raising Twilight Sparkle?
I like both diddin and GreyICE for lynching"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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THIS IS WHAT XVART WAS RESPONDING TO. HE NEVER SAID GREYICE WAS TOWN. JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE.diddin wrote:
If you're as confident that GreyICE is town as it seems you are, why are you still raising Twilight Sparkle?Magua wrote:GreyICE is town.
Pretty sure Shadow is town.
DGB doesn't make sense. As town or as scum. I have personal experience with this from Stars Aligned II. Nulltelling her.
$10 says Hasdgfas is faking his post restriction. It's cute, but it's also nonsensical from a setup POV. Undecided on scumminess; not enough information yet. Nulltell.
Don't like Benmage. Don't like "Mow down all the VIs." Don't like DGB's #166 treating it like a towntell.
This thread requires Percy, xtomx, and Feysal posting. And more Mikujin. And...well, too many others. But let's start there."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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I wasn't even the first person to point it out! It was brought to light then swept under the rug when GreyICE imploded, before he had time to back-pedal, or get caught up in it."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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@Magua: Thor665, chesskid3, GreyICE, Raivann, Xtoxm are the people that were on Xvart. Chesskid will be chesskid and is all over the place. He's not nearly as explosive as I've seen, and this doesn't put me at ease. There's a storm a brewin' on Raivann there, and I can see that for simple reasons already ponited out. dana just retracted, but his initial vote shows a lack of reading closely (again, I was not the first to point out the erroneous case against Xvart), but may not be scummy. I know I've done my fair share of skimming.
Xtoxm moved well up my list with his post(s) this morning."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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This is gonna sound stupid, but what does it mean when you spread your aaaaaaaaarms?!hasdgfas wrote:
*points at chesskid's mouth*chesskid3 wrote:SHOOTTTTTTTTT MOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
*spreads arms wide*
I'm pretty sure you're not asking for a hug, but is there a way to get more descriptive with your actions?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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